Gay Gene?

[RoxasNoxas]

I've been thinking this theory over... do any of you suppose that homosexual people are actually the way they are because of a mutation in their DNA?
This is honestly what I think. And if my theory is correct, then such is the case with me. I confess. I think I've been gay for my whole life. I hope you don't consider me a freak. I just want a little respect, at least.
Anyway, back to my theory...
What are your views on it?
Do you think it's correct?

[Kiryu]

I don't think so. I think its just a personal prefrence over a period of time. So no I don't think it is a mutation in the human gene.....but thats what I think.

[Mish]

O.o lol. I don't think a 'gay gene' exists.

-moving this to debate section-

[Spitfire]

Ahhh not at all. I am sure that nothing like that can work. It is a lifestyle choice that people choose.

[Darkwing Duck]

Dude, do you have any idea how brave it was of you to come out like that?
If you want respect then you got it from me.

About your theory it's wrong.

Being gay is not a sickness,it's not a working of the devil. It's just how your chromosomes lined up at birth(not a disfintiguration).For example:Your choice of music could be rap, rock, country, anything really.Now you listen to that music and it feels real and it feels like you belong to listen to it.You might try and listen to music you don't like and try your hardest to like it, but it still won't work.
That's how it is for gay people.
It's not a disease, it isn't even really their choice. It's just what comes naturally to you.

That's my 2 cents anyway.

But it's in no way a mutation! It's been prooved.

[EvilMan_89]

actually, i DID see in a video in a health class about a gene that most homosexual ppl have and that gene is missing in striaght ppl. however, i believe while it CAN influence ppl, i believe it's ultimately up to the person what they are

[RoxasNoxas]

Hmm...Thanks for the comment, Forsaken Shadow.
I hear people say that it's a choice of lifestyle. That's not how it is for me at all! I wish that I was attracted to girls, but I'm not. I don't... I don't really have a choice.

[gerlert_fav2005]

Well about this...I just had something like this in Science class.My teacher says that there is a part of your brain(I forgot what it was called.)that releases different hormones.Sometime it shrinks and sometimes it grows.If it's small,the that means that you may feel like a girl.If it starts to become bigger,then it makes you feel like a guy.Yeah it's kinda weird...

[zexionXienzo6]

You are very stupid... haven't you been to science class where they show you all about DNA and stuff? It doesn't say anything about the "gay gene".

[RoxasNoxas]

You are very stupid... haven't you been to science class where they show you all about DNA and stuff? It doesn't say anything about the "gay gene".

Excuse me, that was a little rude. I'm only in Middle School. No health class for me, yet.

[Nanaki]

Theres absolutely NOTHING wrong with being straight, gay, or bi. So your not a freak.

Anyways, no. It's just the way gay people are.



ZXI....that was a little harsh..he's only a kid. It's not his fault...hell, I thought about it like that when I was his age...so yeah...

[gerlert_fav2005]

I'm in my last year of middle school too so I don't really know anything that a 'gay gene ' exist or not.

[Darkwing Duck]

You are very stupid... haven't you been to science class where they show you all about DNA and stuff? It doesn't say anything about the "gay gene".

Dude, that was harsh. About checking how old he is before saying stuff like that.

Hell you shouldn't even act like that.

[RoxasNoxas]

Dude, that was harsh. About checking how old he is before saying stuff like that.

Hell you shouldn't even act like that.

Thanks for sticking up for me. :)
But you know, I don't want any of you thinking of me as a stupid little child. I'm much smarter. :)

[Darkwing Duck]

Thanks for sticking up for me. :)
But you know, I don't want any of you thinking of me as a stupid little child. I'm much smarter. :)


Haha, no don't worry. I can actually notice you're smart from your posts.

[RoxasNoxas]

Haha, no don't worry. I can actually notice you're smart from your posts.

Thanks. Actually, I'm English-smart. Not math-wise. Just another way I was wired...

[Nanaki]

Thanks. Actually, I'm English-smart. Not math-wise. Just another way I was wired...

It's the same with me (about the math bad, English good thing). Kid, as I said before, your not a freak. Your just different...but we're all different in our own ways, ya know? Don't worry about it...

[gerlert_fav2005]

I'm the total opposite of all of you.I'm very good at math(If I have a calculator),but not so good at Language Arts.

[Darkwing Duck]

I'm actually average in everything. Expect for math, I'm kind of a calculator lol.
My advertisment in class is "Need a math problem solved? Come to me!" xD.
Everything else=Average.

Wow lol. It's intersting how we can go off-topic sometimes.

[Darkwatch]

I don't personally believe in any 'gay gene'. It makes no sense to be born attracted to males/females that way.

I know plenty of people born straight, but later on they are bi or gay because of their realization of the world and what they really want.

It's gene-like, that's all I'd classify it as.

[RoxasNoxas]

It's the same with me (about the math bad, English good thing). Kid, as I said before, your not a freak. Your just different...but we're all different in our own ways, ya know? Don't worry about it...

Heh... :) Numbers go right through my head. Thanks for not thinking I'm a freak.



I'm the total opposite of all of you.I'm very good at math(If I have a calculator),but not so good at Language Arts.

Need any help in your English homework? LOL.

I don't personally believe in any 'gay gene'. It makes no sense to be born attracted to males/females that way.

I know plenty of people born straight, but later on they are bi or gay because of their realization of the world and what they really want.

It's gene-like, that's all I'd classify it as.

No, I'm serious man. I know I was born gay.

[gerlert_fav2005]

Need any help in your English homework? LOL.


Need any help with your Math Homework?:P

[RoxasNoxas]

Need any help with your Math Homework?:P

Hmm... not at the moment.

[Crispers]

lol guys stay on topic :P
anyways im bi
and there is no such thing as the "gay gene" XD
it sounds stupid anyways

[AkuseruVIII]

I say anything can be blamed on genetics. Dumb example-
"I'm smart"
"You're Asian."
"I'm gay."
"You're a mutant."
It doesn't make sense it is random convergence like many things.
Actually it could be part of how you were raised or what happened to you but no one knows it's like God v. Darwin Deathmatch! but I give up it really doesn't matter anyways does it. People should learn to care less about everything look how I turned out. Oh well I don't remember what I was saying something about... Damn I can't remember my train of thought left me at the station of ignorance.

[RoxasNoxas]

I say anything can be blamed on genetics. Dumb example-
"I'm smart"
"You're Asian."
"I'm gay."
"You're a mutant."
It doesn't make sense it is random convergence like many things.
Actually it could be part of how you were raised or what happened to you but no one knows it's like God v. Darwin Deathmatch! but I give up it really doesn't matter anyways does it. People should learn to care less about everything look how I turned out. Oh well I don't remember what I was saying something about... Damn I can't remember my train of thought left me at the station of ignorance.

Nice post. Well, 'cept for the ending... :)
Yeah... well, it's something with the DNA and or chromosomes. Of that I'm certain. Not certain if being gay is hereditary, though.

[Darkwatch]

Heh... :) Numbers go right through my head. Thanks for not thinking I'm a freak.





Need any help in your English homework? LOL.



No, I'm serious man. I know I was born gay.Yes, maybe you were, but it wasn't encoded in your DNA for you to like ****, now was it?

I hope you see my point. Sorry if I sound mean. xD

[RoxasNoxas]

Yes, maybe you were, but it wasn't encoded in your DNA for you to like ****, now was it?

I hope you see my point. Sorry if I sound mean. xD


No. I don't really see your point. How would you explain me being gay then? I swear, I did not choose it.

[Cin]

Yeah...even coming from a gay person, this sounds offensive to gay people. I mean...come on...gay people are mutants now?

No, there's no such thing as a gene, and it's not a life preference. It is just the way people are born. I myself, am not gay, and I wouldn't know what you have to go through, or what it's like, but it seems to me like a pretty hard life. I think that this kind of logic is just a way to try and make you feel better about yourself. In fact, a genetic mutation would make gay people their own race.

But, just to disprove that gay gene thing. If there was sucha thing, then someone iny our family would have had to be gay many years ago, and then to carry on that gene with more gay people in your family. This would mean, if there was a build up of gay people in your family, then chances are your family line would end with gay relationships. If there was a gene traveling through your family, how would it be transferred if gay people won't reproduce? I know gay men, until recently, usually lied to themselves and the people around them and tried to lead normal lives, but still, it's unlikely that a gay person would reproduce, andtherefore the gay gene would end with them. In this way, fromt he dawn of time, it would only be possible for there to be one generation of gay people. And being that there are still gay people today, that means that there's no way that a gay gene has been going downt hrough generations.

[Roxasvsriku]

I don't think "gene" would be the right term to use here. I mean sure, there may be common body characterists between gays but not all of them are considered "genetic." It mostly has to do with enviroments/living situations.

[Alpha Sonix]

No, it's not Genes or whatever you call them, its their choice.

[[s y n n e ]]

I say anything can be blamed on genetics. Dumb example-
"I'm smart"
"You're Asian."
"I'm gay."
"You're a mutant."
It doesn't make sense it is random convergence like many things.
Actually it could be part of how you were raised or what happened to you but no one knows it's like God v. Darwin Deathmatch! but I give up it really doesn't matter anyways does it. People should learn to care less about everything look how I turned out. Oh well I don't remember what I was saying something about... Damn I can't remember my train of thought left me at the station of ignorance.

THANK YOU! Not all Asians are good at math - I should know!! D<

Anyways, I dun think being gay means you have a different gene =]

My point of view on gays and stuff is open ((hell, my best friend is gay!! He's awesome!)) and really - you fall in love with who you fall in love with. Thats what I say. You can't help who you just happen to love. =O

So if you need respect - support - another friend maybe? - I'm here for you - wOOt! You totally got my respect. =]

[Anniexo]

No being Gay or Bi is the persons own choice since three people in my family (two bi and one gay) are the only gays in the family and only by choice

[Lithium]

It's not their choice. You can't just get up one day and be like, "Hey! I think I'll become gay from this point onward throughout my life!!". I've asked some friends of mine who are gay, and they say they've never been attracted to girls, but they wish they were, and that they weren't gay. Some are proud, some ain't. I think they're born that way.

[Anniexo]

It's not their choice. You can't just get up one day and be like, "Hey! I think I'll become gay from this point onward throughout my life!!". I've asked some friends of mine who are gay, and they say they've never been attracted to girls, but they wish they were, and that they weren't gay. Some are proud, some ain't. I think they're born that way.

It was my choice to be a bi so I guess it's half and half

[Darkwing Duck]

Wow lol, the comments here are awesome. I didn't expet there to be so many.
And it's nice to see people that are open to people being gay, and don't start calling them a freak.

I remember on another forum that I use to go a guy that made an exact thread like this one saying that he was gay. People there started laughing at him and calling him a freak...it was a sickening thing to watch.


No, it's not Genes or whatever you call them, its their choice.

Hmmm, yeah. You should know.:rolleyes:

[Oerba Yun Fang]

I don't think there is a "Gay Gene", but that it's the way they are brought up & how Society has effected them, I'm sure that genetics may have a part in it as well.

[8730]

it could be like other genes which like increase your chance of being gay but dont necessarily mean that you will be. like the obesity gene thing, it increased your chances but it was mainly external influences that caused it.
but i think that the term 'gay gene' sounds a bit off.

[gerlert_fav2005]

Guys I found the Organ That I told you about and I think that my teacher was lying.It's called the Pituitary Gland located somewhere in the bottom of your brain.
Here's the Wikipedia link thingy...http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pituitary_gland

Well about this...I just had something like this in Science class.My teacher says that there is a part of your brain(I forgot what it was called.)that releases different hormones.Sometime it shrinks and sometimes it grows.If it's small,the that means that you may feel like a girl.If it starts to become bigger,then it makes you feel like a guy.Yeah it's kinda weird.

[Darkwing Duck]

Which reminds me, anyone seen the X-men movies?
What am I saying of course you did xD.

Well, did you know there's a message in them. About homosexuality.
The mutants being that gay people (Duh, in an indirect way ).

If anyone remembers in X-men 2, At one point they go to one of the youngsters home. Suddenly the parents arrive. Bobboy (Ice-Man) tells them about the school for gifted youngsters aka Mutants. Upon hearing this and a short demonstration of Bobbies abilities (to freeze) his mother says “Honey.. have you tried to not.. being a mutant?”
This is a hint to being gay..

He is a Mutant it is in his Genes.. he can NOT change it, he can NOT pretend to not be a Mutant because he is!
Same thing with gay people..


And I think the producer is gay, that's why he's passing on this message.

[no-reality_allowed]

I think my health teacher told my class once that it's an unusual amount of a hormone of the opposite sex in you.....ex. man with lots of estrogen (female hormone)

but it's definently not gene from what Cin said.....it would be almost impossible.

[Cin]

Uh...? Producer?

If I'm correct, Stan lee was the creator of the X-men comic books, MANY years ago. If anyone wasn't gay, it'd be him. And he was the one who instilled that "zomg...did you try to change!?" feeling into the script of the comic books. The reason being, that he was looking at all indifference. Stan Lee is a smart man, and a very wise person, he know what it takes to be a good person and a hero, and to overcome indifference is one of them. I'm sure that gays today are comparable tot he mutants of X-men int he ways that they must overcome their differences, but in the same way it's different and could very well be insulting.

And yes, Gerlert, I ewas expecting that to be what you were talking about. We learned about the petuitary gland quite recently in fact. We skipped over that whole sexual preference thing, mostly because the teachers at our school, however accepting they try to act, will avoid things like homosexuals, like it doesn't even exist even though a number of their students are openly gay.

[Roxas]

No.

You are gay because you like men's bottoms. You are not gay because you like boobs.

It's not a gene, it's just what you like. Kind of like taste buds. Just because your parents adored strawberries dipped in jam and butter doesn't mean you will.

[gerlert_fav2005]

And yes, Gerlert, I ewas expecting that to be what you were talking about. We learned about the petuitary gland quite recently in fact. We skipped over that whole sexual preference thing, mostly because the teachers at our school, however accepting they try to act, will avoid things like homosexuals, like it doesn't even exist even though a number of their students are openly gay.


About that,almost half of the teachers in my school are either gay/lesbian/or bi.It's strange that even they don't really want to talk about it.

[Link]

If i was you i wouldnt admit i was gay in middle school ,if people heard that at your school you wouldn't hear the end of it.

you say you want to like girls but you cant.hmmm your definetly gay or the girls at your school are ugly.

In the future if you are looking for a husband in try one of those homo-sexual chat rooms or one of the adds on this page.

I know lots of gay people and treat them just the same.

have a nice life.

[RoxasNoxas]

it could be like other genes which like increase your chance of being gay but dont necessarily mean that you will be. like the obesity gene thing, it increased your chances but it was mainly external influences that caused it.
but i think that the term 'gay gene' sounds a bit off.

Yeah... that's exactly what I was thinking when I made this thread. I heard on the news they found something like that in obese people, and I thought it might be the same for homosexuals.

[Jest]

I know what you mean about gene, but I don't think it's the right terminology. You ARE born with a sexual orientation. Whether it be straight, gay, or bi.

It's NOT a choice. For anyone who believes it's a choice, take it from me. Nobody chooses to live a life of hardships in a world of social norms where so many people look down on them for being gay. Nobody wants to choose to live in fear with the many hate crimes against gay people. And I know for a fact that some people wanna live perfectly "normal" lives, but they just can't. And you can disagree, but a straight point of view is kind of hard to take in when you don't know what it's like. It's not a lifestyle, it's a part of you.

And it's not an environmental influence, or else a child who is adopted by a same-sex couple would turn out gay. And they've done studies that show that a same-sex couples children have NO difference when compared to a heterosexual couples children. Whatsoever.

But, I don't know about it being a "gene". But I think I know your aim.

[2Foxxxxxxxxxie4U2♥~]

I've been thinking this theory over... do any of you suppose that homosexual people are actually the way they are because ofa mutation in their DNA?
This is honestly what I think. And if my theory is correct, then such is the case with me. I confess. I think I've been gay for my whole life. I hope you don't consider me a freak. I just want a little respect, at least.
Anyway, back to my theory...
What are your views on it?
Do you think it's correct?

Huh... I've though about it, but genitics ain't exactly my field... But, rest assured, you not a freak in my eyes. ^-^

But I think you ARE born with it... Or... something...

*sigh* I really need to do some research... >.>;

[ЯзJзct.çom]

No, it's not Genes or whatever you call them, its their choice.
ARE YOU ****ING SERIOUS!!!!!
WHY THE HELL WOULD SOMEONE CHOOSE TO BE HATED BY MILLIONS!
HATED BY PEOPLE YOU DON'T KNOW!
I'm sorry but, you have no ****ing idea.
Anyways, I think that there is no "gay gene", I think that that's just they way you are.
It's in you DNA, foo.
-shrug-

[Xehanort]

I can't really decide if it's a gene or not, but I think it is a choice of lifestyle. On tv shows (may they be accurate or not), sometimes make reference to a "homesexual experience in college" then end up marrying a woman later. (ex: Friends, According to Jim, etc.) So I think it can be a choice, but I think that sometimes people just have an urge to be gay they can't change. My two centz anyway. Please don't flame me. Just saying it in my opinion.

[2Foxxxxxxxxxie4U2♥~]

ARE YOU ****ING SERIOUS!!!!!
WHY THE HELL WOULD SOMEONE CHOOSE TO BE HATED BY MILLIONS!
HATED BY PEOPLE YOU DON'T KNOW!
I'm sorry but, you have no ****ing idea.
Anyways, I think that there is no "gay gene", I think that that's just they way you are.
It's in you DNA, foo.
-shrug-

Hey, hey, don't flame...! D=

And isn't you DNA made up by genes...? O.o;

*tries to remember all that gene stuff from 7th grade*

[ЯзJзct.çom]

Hey, hey, don't flame...! D=

And isn't you DNA made up by genes...? O.o;

*tries to remember all that gene stuff from 7th grade*
I wasn't flaming nobody lol.

[2Foxxxxxxxxxie4U2♥~]

I wasn't flaming nobody lol.

......

Oh. XD;

Okay, sorry bout that! XD;;;;

[Misty]

I'm not really sure about this, but isn't being gay caused by lack of chromesones(sp?)?

EDIT: I checked out some interesting stuff on Wikipedia. Here it is:

"There is some evidence that gay men report having had less loving and more rejecting fathers, and closer relationships with their mothers, than straight men. Whether this phenomena is a cause of homosexuality, or whether parents behave this way in response to gender-variant traits in a child, is unclear.<sup id="_ref-70" class="reference">[/URL]"

[URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homosexual"]Here's (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homosexual#_note-70) the full article.
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[Wabba]

No. There is no gay gene. The idea of "people being born gay" comes from the fact that homosexual men having a larger ammount of estrogen and homosexual women having a larger ammount of testosterone. Homosexuality is also caused by the environment one grows up in. There is no gene, no "defect" in DNA. It is purely chemical or psycological.

[Xehanort]

No. There is no gay gene. The idea of "people being born gay" comes from the fact that homosexual men having a larger ammount of estrogen and homosexual women having a larger ammount of testosterone. Homosexuality is also caused by the environment one grows up in. There is no gene, no "defect" in DNA. It is purely chemical or psycological.

That is prolly the best statement I've heard so far. I agree with him.

[Wabba]

Its true. How can "gay" be imprinted in DNA? Homosexuality is not inherited, they cannot make kids! If homosexuality were a genetic trait, how would it be passed on from parent to offspring? Think about it.

[8730]

Its true. How can "gay" be imprinted in DNA? Homosexuality is not inherited, they cannot make kids! If homosexuality were a genetic trait, how would it be passed on from parent to offspring? Think about it.

just because your parents have the gene for blond hair doesnt mean that you will be blonde, if it does exist it may require both parents to have it and even then, as ive said before, it may only increase your chances not mean that you will definitely be gay.

[Darkwing Duck]

just because your parents have the gene for blond hair doesnt mean that you will be blonde, if it does exist it may require both parents to have it and even then, as ive said before, it may only increase your chances not mean that you will definitely be gay.

Bah, there is no definite answer that you're born gay. They'd have to study these things when a child is born. Its only been theorised that your born this way, and somewhat studied. Cuz they've definitely seen differences between gay and staight genes.(Not a disfintiguration! Imagine it like it's the "blond hair, brown hair" genes thing).
But hell, the change might happen when gays grow up.
Nobody really knows yet.-_-

But it's definitely not a choice.

[Peyton]

No I don't belive that it is a gene like that.
It's nothing worng with beeing gay.
But I think beeing gay completely depends on a persons behavior and taste, not the genes.

[Sanda]

I have NEVER read proof one way or the other. I personally think homosexuality is something that cannot be chosen. It just is. Again, thats strictly my opinion:o

[Jest]

I have NEVER read proof one way or the other. I personally think homosexuality is something that cannot be chosen. It just is. Again, thats strictly my opinion:o

It's fine if that's your opinion, I respect that. But when you spend half of your life in puberty trying desperately to force arousing thoughts about women onto yourself, each one of which do not work, I think you know if it's a choice or not. ;)

It can't be environment. I said it before and I'll say it again: a child who is raised by a same-sex couple has been confirmed to have no differences with that of a child who's been raised by a heterosexual couple. I can say it many times, it's not environment.

Some people have heard that it occurs in the first 6 years of your life. This would make sense, because according to my child development class, in that time frame, who you are as a person is mapped out. But at the same time, this would mean environment, so it's unlikely that this is true.

[Wabba]

Environment as in who you are raised by. Broken homes are very common, a girl who is raised by only a father tends to have more masculine charactaristics and boys who are raised by only a mother have more feminine characteristics. This does not equate to homosexuality 100% of the time but it is true and does contribute in some cases.

[Gravity]

Hmm...I don't think there is a gay gene...though some people discover it early in their lives. I've known a few gay people, and most of them decided that they were gay some time during elementary school or middle school. So I suppose it just depends.

[Jest]

Hmm...I don't think there is a gay gene...though some people discover it early in their lives. I've known a few gay people, and most of them decided that they were gay some time during elementary school or middle school. So I suppose it just depends.

Please indulge me by telling me why those people would choose a hard life such as that?

[8730]

Please indulge me by telling me why those people would choose a hard life such as that?

the whole point is they dont choose. they cant help it if they are attracted to the same sex and not the opposite, thats how this whole debate got started, the fact that people have no choice making it a possibility that ts genetic.

[Jest]

the whole point is they dont choose. they cant help it if they are attracted to the same sex and not the opposite, thats how this whole debate got started, the fact that people have no choice making it a possibility that ts genetic.

That's exactly my point. I want to know why the people who do think it's a choice would think that a gay guy or gay girl would choose a hard life. It would be stupid to do so.

[8730]

That's exactly my point. I want to know why the people who do think it's a choice would think that a gay guy or gay girl would choose a hard life. It would be stupid to do so.

it would only be hard if other people made it hard, and (i hope) society has moved on and matured. people do what makes them happy.

[Jest]

it would only be hard if other people made it hard, and (i hope) society has moved on and matured. people do what makes them happy.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/d/d7/World_homosexuality_laws.png/800px-

See this? This is the laws of homosexuality in the world. I doubt society has moved on completely yet.

First, they have to prove to the people who think it's a choice that it's not a choice, but something you're born with.

Then, they predict that after THAT is fulfilled, they have to prove to those same people that we don't have a disease (which many people already think in that light).

For this, no. I don't think it's a choice. I know it isn't.

[8730]

there will always be people in this world who are ignorant and will hate someone for being different to them, those are the people we need rid of.

back on topic:D , it could be a gene it might not be but are we all decided that its not a choice?

[Darkwing Duck]

there will always be people in this world who are ignorant and will hate someone for being different to them, those are the people we need rid of.

back on topic:D , it could be a gene it might not be but are we all decided that its not a choice?

Oi, I definitely agree that it's not a choice.

And Jest, that was an intersting map . Thank you for posting it.

[8730]

ugh the world is such an unfair and stupid place, thats as bad as saying anyone who has brown eyes in Saudi Arabia should be given the death penalty, its the same principle.

[Darkwing Duck]

ugh the world is such an unfair and stupid place, thats as bad as saying anyone who has brown eyes in Saudi Arabia should be given the death penalty, its the same principle.

So true. But there is improvement in society. Did ya know that in the 50-60s they use to use a kind of brainwashing to change what gays like?
And it was counted as a serious disease...

But still, even nowadays gays are looked down upon...but, atleast there's an improvement.
A really slow improvement -_-

[8730]

one of those "weve started it now but itll be our great-great-great-great grandchildren who will benefit" changes?

[Darkwing Duck]

one of those "weve started it now but itll be our great-great-great-great grandchildren who will benefit" changes?

Hmph, probably. I haven't read the whole thing...Hell, I don't even know if I can find it anymore.
But I'll post it here if I do.

[Sanda]

It's fine if that's your opinion, I respect that. But when you spend half of your life in puberty trying desperately to force arousing thoughts about women onto yourself, each one of which do not work, I think you know if it's a choice or not. ;)



No thats what I was saying. Youre just that way, its not a choice! Im totally with you on this

[Jest]

Luckily, if you look at the homosexual movement in comparison to other historical movements, this movement IS still moving a great deal faster..

[White_Rook]

there will always be people in this world who are ignorant and will hate someone for being different to them, those are the people we need rid of.



I love humanity. It's people I can't stand.

*edit*

The quotation didn't go through so I went manual on it.

[RoxasNoxas]

I love humanity. It's people I can't stand.

Um... you kinda lost me there.
Thanks for all your postings, Jest!

[Rosey]

I love humanity. It's people I can't stand.


What? Thats very very very confusing

[White_Rook]

I originally quoted Bunterx, but it some how didn't process so I had to do it manually. And there it is.

[JedininjaZC]

I've been thinking this theory over... do any of you suppose that homosexual people are actually the way they are because ofa mutation in their DNA?
This is honestly what I think. And if my theory is correct, then such is the case with me. I confess. I think I've been gay for my whole life. I hope you don't consider me a freak. I just want a little respect, at least.
Anyway, back to my theory...
What are your views on it?
Do you think it's correct?

You have my respect it takes a lot guts to say what you just said.
But no Homo DNA is not correct.
its the devil making you gay not DNA for example, every time I try to go to sleep or think about women, you know who try's to pop into my head with gay images? The devil. If God wasn't in my heart the devil would have persauded me was gay.

But if you believe you are gay i won't hate you for it, or judge you of it.

[Stormwolf101]

I think some people are born gay and others choose the life style. But either way, I accept gay people. I mean, hey! Half of my friends /are/ gays and lesbians and I treat them all with respect. They're not bad people. In fact, there some of the nicest people I know and usually end up being the truest friends.

If you are in need of a friend, feel free to leave me a message. I'm always eager to support gays.

[Ienzo]

aI respect gays and am alright with them, I thought I was gay once but no. A gay gene? I don't think so, I wasn't gay all my life- I'm not now

[RikusHaven]

Some people say it is a development over time. While others believe that it is something you are born with. I can't really say. But my teacher agrees with that it is something you are born with, cause he always says that you don't wake up one day and say "Today I'm going to suck some p***s" and then you go back to being straight or you have been straght and then wake up saying that. The reason he says people aren't staright up on their sexual orientation is that they fear losing their friends or they are still hiding in the closet. The reason he holds down this belief is because his grandmother was lesbian but she wasn't straight up with this till his Grandfather died, and she revealed this at the funeral, ever since that her Grandmother has been like a psychiatrist or something like that for people who are homosexual. I, myself, don't know. I've known a few homosexual people here and there but I don't know their background enough to say that what my teacher is right, but hey who knows. If your homosexual that's cool with me.

[Repliku]

I do not believe there is a 'gene' for being gay or straight. However, there are differences of hormonal balances in all people, and well, we all have different things we are attracted to or disgusted by.

I can't stand the smell of cooked peas and they make me want to barf. If I eat them, I will. I may or may not be allergic to them. It's never killed me when I have been forced to eat them, but it did make me have more of a violent reaction to them as I grew up. My family all, except for me found peas to be great. I think I'm not a mutant.

People are drawn to blondes, red heads, some people like chubby people, thin people, muscular people etc. I know people that are grossed out by fat so bad if someone is at all overweight they just couldn't go out with them. Is it their fault? I don't think so. It's a reaction and what is positively stimulating versus what makes a person say 'eww'.

Some people bite their fingernails and others find it nasty. Some people are all for a person who is working out in a gym and others are repulsed because they are sweaty and smell.

There's nothing wrong with being gay, straight or bi. I think it is stronger than just a 'preference' as some people say. I tried to describe above a couple examples to explain that it is more, but I just cannot see it being genetic. It is a good question to ask though, and if you can be happy as you are, don't be frustrated by it and say 'I didn't wish this' and 'I wish I liked girls'. It makes it sound like a curse. I'm straight and I know I have no interest for the same gender. I think the best way to describe this might be that it is an 'ingrained reaction' or stimulation.

[Soushirei]

A large part of me wants to believe it has some genetic influence, mostly because I find it impossible for my uncle to have turned out gay given the lifestyle he was raised in. My grandfather--who has already passed away--is probably the most homophobic person I have ever known, and being a man born from 1918 and raised with such shallow-ended principles of the differences of men and women, it's hard for me to understand how only one out of four sons became homosexual.

It's also because it's not like my uncle felt he chose his sexual preference. In fact, because of being afraid of his father, he forced himself to date women, be intimate with them, and try to have romantic relationships with them--all of which ended up in failure. He just couldn't seem to be romantically attracted to women the way he felt toward other men. The way he seemed to not want to accept what he was feeling, just makes me believe it has a large genetic/biological factor.

I won't use the above testimonial to call this 'gay gene' a fact, but it is surely something that has greatly founded my opinion on the matter.

[W7F]

I do not believe there is a 'gene' for being gay or straight. However, there are differences of hormonal balances in all people, and well, we all have different things we are attracted to or disgusted by.

I can't stand the smell of cooked peas and they make me want to barf. If I eat them, I will. I may or may not be allergic to them. It's never killed me when I have been forced to eat them, but it did make me have more of a violent reaction to them as I grew up. My family all, except for me found peas to be great. I think I'm not a mutant.

People are drawn to blondes, red heads, some people like chubby people, thin people, muscular people etc. I know people that are grossed out by fat so bad if someone is at all overweight they just couldn't go out with them. Is it their fault? I don't think so. It's a reaction and what is positively stimulating versus what makes a person say 'eww'.

Some people bite their fingernails and others find it nasty. Some people are all for a person who is working out in a gym and others are repulsed because they are sweaty and smell.

There's nothing wrong with being gay, straight or bi. I think it is stronger than just a 'preference' as some people say. I tried to describe above a couple examples to explain that it is more, but I just cannot see it being genetic. It is a good question to ask though, and if you can be happy as you are, don't be frustrated by it and say 'I didn't wish this' and 'I wish I liked girls'. It makes it sound like a curse. I'm straight and I know I have no interest for the same gender. I think the best way to describe this might be that it is an 'ingrained reaction' or stimulation.

I think after this post was set up, the debate should be closed... Any Mods around? XD. But I actually, totaly agree. I'm normally the first to fight to the death over my beliefs, but theirs nothing anyone can say against that. Unless they just ignant'. Lol.

I thought of an okay example to. I went over to a friends house, for a party, 'cuz Halo 2 had just been released (yeah, this was a while ago), I had kicked the **** out of everyone but one of 'em, and was currently vsing him. Almost everyone was cheering him on. The kid who's house we were at (I guess I won' say his real name) all of a sudden said "Hey, guys, check it out!"
I paused the game walked over, and saw that he was looking at lesbian pornography. Everyone crouded around and was pretty much drooling. I said "Cool." and walked away. Everyone immediately assumed I was a queer.

First, I'm not btw.
Second, it DID turn me on.
Third, I think pornography is wrong. Its just that I don't think it should be used as some sort of tool to help you "get a load off", nor do I find them [lesbians] THAT interesting. Most guys do.

I guess its all with the hormonal differences. Something might turn you on/off more than the next person.

Now, I heard someone who supported the gene thing say people just don't wake up one day and say I shall be a lesbian/gay guy (I said it nicer, I think).
I have a friend who chose to be a lesbian, 'cuz she thinks men are disgusting, tactless, and women are better in bed.

God, I hate debates... I end up having a headache for everyone that I join. 'Tiz fun though.

[Gwen]

This debate is pretty much done, but I STILL wanna give my opinion x3

I do not believe that there is any 'gene' that causes you to be gay. Not in the history of my family was there ANYONE who has ever been gay or bi.
I changed that.
I'm bi, and at first I thought it was a phase, then i figured it to be genes until I found out that no one in my family had been 'that way'

So, no, I do not think that genetics have ANYTHING to do with it.

[RoxasNoxas]

This debate is pretty much done, but I STILL wanna give my opinion x3

I do not believe that there is any 'gene' that causes you to be gay. Not in the history of my family was there ANYONE who has ever been gay or bi.
I changed that.
I'm bi, and at first I thought it was a phase, then i figured it to be genes until I found out that no one in my family had been 'that way'

So, no, I do not think that genetics have ANYTHING to do with it.

Yeah. I don't think so either.
Now I realize that just wouldn't make sense. The first ancient gays would have had to have a child with women if it was genetics.
*don't kill me for bringing this back up!!*

[Zandyne]

-I find it necessary to make another post here, my apologies for kicking a dead topic back up-

It's not so much as a "gay gene" but more like a difference in genetic coding where the brain secretes a different amount of a certain hormone in the brain that dictates sexuality. This is a hormone secreted in BOTH heterosexuals and homosexuals...however I believe I stated some time ago that the hormone in homosexuals is OPPOSITE in what would normally be secreted if they were heterosexual.

However, this is very much a theory still in the researching stage...regardless they have found that CORRELATION (not causation) in homosexuals.

Now, another contribution that in a way regards that homosexuality is solely reliant on DNA is not entirely true (in theory). The hormonal output of the brain and other organs that produce hormones is dependent on the early developmental stages on a child. (IE: A person who was constantly under great stress in their childhood tends to be slightly apathetic emotionally when they get older because their brain over-produced a certain hormone attributed with that emotional response.) But as stated early, it is merely theory and correlation. In time they may come to find a causation...but it is safe to say that homosexuality is typically NOT a voluntary sexuality...no more then heterosexuality is an entirely voluntary disposition.

(Anyone who blames homosexuality on the devil will not be dignified with a response.)

[RoxasNoxas]

-I find it necessary to make another post here, my apologies for kicking a dead topic back up-

It's not so much as a "gay gene" but more like a difference in genetic coding where the brain secretes a different amount of a certain hormone in the brain that dictates sexuality. This is a hormone secreted in BOTH heterosexuals and homosexuals...however I believe I stated some time ago that the hormone in homosexuals is OPPOSITE in what would normally be secreted if they were heterosexual.

However, this is very much a theory still in the researching stage...regardless they have found that CORRELATION (not causation) in homosexuals.

Now, another contribution that in a way regards that homosexuality is solely reliant on DNA is not entirely true (in theory). The hormonal output of the brain and other organs that produce hormones is dependent on the early developmental stages on a child. (IE: A person who was constantly under great stress in their childhood tends to be slightly apathetic emotionally when they get older because their brain over-produced a certain hormone attributed with that emotional response.) But as stated early, it is merely theory and correlation. In time they may come to find a causation...but it is safe to say that homosexuality is typically NOT a voluntary sexuality...no more then heterosexuality is an entirely voluntary disposition.

(Anyone who blames homosexuality on the devil will not be dignified with a response.)

Wow. That was really interesting.
But do you think that some homosexuals just have twisted minds?
Like, maybe they were raised in a specific way which somehow really messed up their thinking?

[Repliku]

It's pretty well a hormonal thing. As I said before, it's a deeper thing than just a 'choice' in the matter. It's that you are attracted or disgusted by it or even just don't care either way.

An example of even animals that are extremely sexual and do acts both heterosexual and homosexual are the Bonobos. These apes are a type of chimpanzee that can be pretty bipedal, and do 'sexual favors' for each other and are relatively peaceful because of it.

I do believe it is a hormonal thing rather than genetic, but I also know that as we age hormones change in people too, balances alter etc and it's not 'life controlling'. It is, however, very life influencing.

[Zandyne]

Wow. That was really interesting.
But do you think that some homosexuals just have twisted minds?
Like, maybe they were raised in a specific way which somehow really messed up their thinking?

Some homosexuals can have twisted minds just as any person with any other sexual orientation can have twisted minds. Having a certain mindset or preference does not limit the range of things that can affect the well-being of the human mind.

If they were raised a certain way, it may have an effect....however another factor plays in at that point, 'hardiness' which is another way of saying the emotional resilience/Emotional Intelligence Quotient (EQ) of the individual. An example of this is that a 'normal' person who is brought up in a troubled home may suffer some depression or have a rather negative, perhaps antisocial dispostion. A person with a 'weak' EQ (or low level of hardiness) will most likely suffer long-term psychological problems. Lastly a person with a 'high' EQ (or high level of hardiness) will be able to essentially deal with the problem and turn it into a positive, at least on an emotional level. Now this is determined by genetic disposition as well as early developmental influences (such as parents).

That would be the semi-quantified answer to the question...in my personal opinion a neutrally disposed child would simply be more accepting of homosexuality. So, essentially...no, because unless the parents teach the child directly that homosexuality is the ONLY sexuality, the child would grow up with the same variables as any other child (they would certainly see other influences outside of the family as well).

If you have anymore questions though, or if I terribly misunderstood your question, please tell me. 8D

[Repliku]

That's a good point in a way, Zandyne. Also, hormones are largely what affect emotional states of beings too. Hormones do a lot to a person that may or may not be a genetic result. Chemical imbalances are common in people whether straight or gay, and can lead to physical effects too such as migraines, anxiety attacks, PMS, male changes, teenage puberty stuff etc. They also are what kicks off what you 'like' and 'dislike' in strong ways. A person's strength of will is also a factor which is not a hormonal thing but a training thing on how to cope with feelings, reactions etc and how much control a person exerts over him/herself.

[RoxasNoxas]

... o_o
You guys are too smart for me.
I could understand everything you guys said, but I don't know how to counter it with another witty post.

[Roxas is Hot]

I think there is a gay gene or something out there. I don't think you can just decide 'Oh, I think I want to be gay.' whenever you feel like it. I do think it's something that happens when the kids in devlopment, but I don't know what.

Gay or not, you'll still roxas my soxas RoxasNoxas. ^^

[RoxasNoxas]

I think there is a gay gene or something out there. I don't think you can just decide 'Oh, I think I want to be gay.' whenever you feel like it. I do think it's something that happens when the kids in devlopment, but I don't know what.

Gay or not, you'll still roxas my soxas RoxasNoxas. ^^

0_0
Thanks, I think! :D

[White_Rook]

I still maintain that as of now we can not be certain if such a thing exists. The human genome project just began at the peak of the last of the last century, so who is to say that such a thing could not exist simply because we haven't found it yet. Yes sexual orientation and gender have a great deal of roots in the way we react and interact with our environment, but to be honest nature is still building its defense against nurture in the whole debate.

[Wabba]

It doesn't. Gays can't have kids. Therefore, it can't be passed down. Even if its recessive, the person with the "so called" gay gene would end that line of that gene because he or she wouldn't have children. It cant be transmitted. Homosexuality concerns excess amounts of estrogen and testosterone.

[White_Rook]

It doesn't. Gays can't have kids. Therefore, it can't be passed down. Even if its recessive, the person with the "so called" gay gene would end that line of that gene because he or she wouldn't have children. It cant be transmitted. Homosexuality concerns excess amounts of estrogen and testosterone.

That's funny, I don't recall anyone who has survived/ is surviving with testicular or ovarian cancer showing a change in sexual preference. Hormonal imbalances affect topical behaviours at best (i.e. correlations between high levels of testosterone and aggression) , and aside from the physiological characteristics they bring about with regards to sexual traits that's as far as it goes. Neither one affects consciousness or complex behaviour.

[Repliku]

I still don't buy that there is any proof out there of a 'gay gene' but believe it is more hormonal in nature instead. If it were true it was genetic, there would not be gays that come from straight families that are not gay in the least. Seems to me it is much more a hormonal effect and drawn on the person individually. Being as it is hormonal, it's stronger than a mere preference and also, gay people aren't genetic mutations. As for 'gay' people having kids....there are gay people that do have kids through artificial insemination or through working out deals with someone of the opposite gender who won't want the child so that the gay couple can raise the kid. It does happen. However, gay parents don't always raise gay kids either so in the end I still am not convinced that the traits are 'genetic' as much as hormonal and attractiveness or abhorrence to others of the same gender or opposite gender etc is normal. Saying there's an actual gay gene with no real solid evidence in its way seems to justify there's something 'wrong' with the people and animals perform gay acts.

Bonobos have sex for fun and stimulation and also gay relations etc.
Hyena females will give one another sex when no males are around.
Other apes have had sexual stimulations and have gay behaviors occasionally.

And a big one is that rats that were given more of a female hormone known as estrogen would arch their backs and tilt their heads up displaying a female behavior and they were male. The males were castrated at birth so the lack of a lot of testosterone also aided in this. Thus some of the male rats would assume the male acting in a female sexual way was female and sex em up. Also, female rats given testosterone of male rats will not do the head tilt back and assume sexual position, and therefore also have no interest in sex with the male straight rat. There was a report done on this by 60 Minutes. It's hosted on Yahoo somewhere, probably it can be found by google typing in 'Creating gay rats 60 minutes' or something.

To me, this makes a lot more sense than this elusive gay gene.

[Zandyne]

I still don't buy that there is any proof out there of a 'gay gene' but believe it is more hormonal in nature instead. If it were true it was genetic, there would not be gays that come from straight families that are not gay in the least. Seems to me it is much more a hormonal effect and drawn on the person individually. Being as it is hormonal, it's stronger than a mere preference and also, gay people aren't genetic mutations. As for 'gay' people having kids....there are gay people that do have kids through artificial insemination or through working out deals with someone of the opposite gender who won't want the child so that the gay couple can raise the kid. It does happen. However, gay parents don't always raise gay kids either so in the end I still am not convinced that the traits are 'genetic' as much as hormonal and attractiveness or abhorrence to others of the same gender or opposite gender etc is normal. Saying there's an actual gay gene with no real solid evidence in its way seems to justify there's something 'wrong' with the people and animals perform gay acts.

Bonobos have sex for fun and stimulation and also gay relations etc.
Hyena females will give one another sex when no males are around.
Other apes have had sexual stimulations and have gay behaviors occasionally.

And a big one is that rats that were given more of a female hormone known as estrogen would arch their backs and tilt their heads up displaying a female behavior and they were male. The males were castrated at birth so the lack of a lot of testosterone also aided in this. Thus some of the male rats would assume the male acting in a female sexual way was female and sex em up. Also, female rats given testosterone of male rats will not do the head tilt back and assume sexual position, and therefore also have no interest in sex with the male straight rat. There was a report done on this by 60 Minutes. It's hosted on Yahoo somewhere, probably it can be found by google typing in 'Creating gay rats 60 minutes' or something.

To me, this makes a lot more sense than this elusive gay gene.

The reason why it MAY side with a "gay gene" not so much as a singular gene responsible for it, but a combination of factors beyond conscious control...as gay people are not typically subjected to this sort of forced hormonal treatment, it somewhat makes sense that it would be more linked with something internal such as genetics.

(I am not arguing/denying your information or points, but more like pondering how it would apply in an uncontrolled environment, and with humans. As technicalyl given that in earlier culture it was more looked down than today that "socially" the tendency would have been "weeded out" unlike the cases that occur in nature as you pointed out. Hopefully this point will make sense.)

[Repliku]

I hear your point but that can also be round-robined in a way.

Consider that just because some guys wear perhaps more feminine attire or nail polish and may act like 'gays' as some people like to think...these people can be straight. Consider also that females that wear tough apparel, are more dominant in nature and what some people would consider more masculine...these females can be straight as well. Now consider that there are guys that like to look all burly, hairy and all and look 'straight' but are actually gay.

I don't think that people can be just labeled by a 'gay gene' because hormonal situations occur early on in life. There are stages throughout a person's life that correspond closer to how gays or straights, sexual attractiveness and sexual aversion etc are, just as people throughout their lives at hormonal points change food types they like or can't stand etc. I used to 'love' creamed corn growing up but then as I became a teenager and went through puberty, it suddenly tasted nasty and looked gross to me. Why? I don't have a reason. It's just the way it is. Is that genetic? If it was so genetic, and that was it, I would think it would be -easy- to determine and there would not exist any bi-sexuals. People would either be gay or straight. It would be a lot more black and white. It would be labeled to easily point out what a child was going to be when he/she grew up. This is simply not the case. A girl who loves to play baseball, play G.I. Joe and run around with the boys is not necessarily going to turn out gay. A girl who plays with Barbies, loves Hello Kitty and wears pink dresses is not going to always turn out straight. In the end, it just isn't cut and simple like that.

Hormones change mainly in very young ages by nature and nurture, by environment and a person's reaction to that environment. Sure, we have our imprinted 'genes' at birth, but the way we lead our lives is affected both by those genes and the immense possibilities in them, as well as that environment around and the choices made and feelings expressed and felt. Another time when hormones affect life big time is when we hit puberty or adolescence. Our bodies change -a lot- and we go through hormones that are all raging around altering us. These two points in life are very important to development. As people age, they also have hormonal changes, pregnancy is a hormonal change, and even men can go through hormonal changes in their late 20s to early 30s etc. Again, hormonal changes transpire in people who grow older in their 50s and 60s and sexual drives decrease, menopause etc. If being gay was genetic and not hormonal, why do people sometimes change their sexual attractions and what they like later in life? It would make no sense. If you have a weak heart genetically, it doesn't get better. If you have blue eyes as a teen, they aren't altering later. If you sweat a lot, you may have to deal with that all your life.

There seem to be so many things people fail to analyze, to include the fact that gender walls are going down and males and females act differently than they had been stereotypically forced to for years. Gays have -always- been in human society whether some want to believe now it's a fad or not. The only difference with now and back then is that people have more of a chance to analyze their sexual natures and not be condemned for it.

[TabbyRoxas]

I dont believe Homosexuality is caused by a gene. I think its caused by an experience with someone, or it just happens.

PS, Im not gay, for the record

[axel8th]

I don't believe in a "Gay- gene" for several reasons. One of hose reasons being(Well more like a rhetorical question) Is ther a straight gene? How do you explain bi-sexaulity and pansexaulity*? I think the factor of one becoming gay or straight or any sexaul oreintation is that humans tend to do what they're told that is wrong. If i told you "Jump in the lake if you can swim." you wouldn't do it the first time, but it'll look so tempting that you do it just to prove a point. If a person says "Being gay is ok." than the person it is being told to might not stray to Homosexaulity, and is more open to discussions about the subject.


* Pansexaulity, means to love one without the factors of beauty or gender, but of intelligence and personality. Personally i think relationships last longer like this.
So yeah i'm pansexaul, but looking for a girl....who is intelligent!! (They're very hard to come by...=_=)

[RoxasNoxas]

I don't believe in a "Gay- gene" for several reasons. One of hose reasons being(Well more like a rhetorical question) Is ther a straight gene? How do you explain bi-sexaulity and pansexaulity*? I think the factor of one becoming gay or straight or any sexaul oreintation is that humans tend to do what they're told that is wrong. If i told you "Jump in the lake if you can swim." you wouldn't do it the first time, but it'll look so tempting that you do it just to prove a point. If a person says "Being gay is ok." than the person it is being told to might not stray to Homosexaulity, and is more open to discussions about the subject.


* Pansexaulity, means to love one without the factors of beauty or gender, but of intelligence and personality. Personally i think relationships last longer like this.
So yeah i'm pansexaul, but looking for a girl....who is intelligent!! (They're very hard to come by...=_=)

You make a good point! But there were some flaws in it... but good point!

[Zandyne]

I hear your point but that can also be round-robined in a way.

(abridged for forum space's sake.)

I understand your points perfectly clear, however, I somwhat regret not making it clearer that I thought that genetics may have increased the TENDENCY of homosexuality to exist in a person. I believe I stated this earlier, but in studies there has been a correlation in the opposite hormones being secreted in the brain tissue of the person that does NOT correspond to what would be heterosexual (which would imply genetic).

I agree that environment can have an impact (it would be ludicrous to ignore the effect of it) but I still believe that genetics have a part in it, or at least bear some part in it.

As for your comment about people's tendencies and likes/dislikes changing as well as to the "born with blue eyes" statement.... genetically, people can also have a history of heart disease but that doesn't mean they are garunteed to have it, they will merely have a higher tendency of contracting it later in life. This also applies to stigmatism in the eyes as well. But as you said, environmental stimuli will also have effects on these as well.

(Do not get me wrong however, I am not catagorizing homosexuality as some sort of negative in any way, I find it quite normal- just like there is nothing wrong with people who are say...left-handed, they are merely a minority, but still natural part of life.)

[Repliku]

I suppose what I mean, because I do see your points and all, is that we, as a species, have a lot of genetics that are passed down to us. And so, within all of the collective information we get, also after comes development of the body through the stages of 1-3 years of age, then teen years etc. In the womb even, there are hormonal changes and all. So, I don't really know if I think there is a 'gay' gene as much as I think that the potential to be gay could be present in anyone really, based on hormonal development, environment etc and that the noticing of differences between 'gays' and 'straights' comes down to the fact that 'some' gays may be producing more estrogen (for males) or testosterone (for females) than is regular. These studies on 'gay' people are also done on people that 'act' more feminine (for men) and act more masculine (for women) and I don't think they are all that accurate. The hormonal set imbalance in a man or woman can cause differences in physical ways a person may act or look. For example, a woman with more than average production of testosterone may grow unsightly facial hair or have a lower voice than normal. This doesn't automatically conclude, despite the fact that they have these changes and it can be noted easily enough, that the woman will become a lesbian. The problem is common enough that women or teens are given birth control, to help regulate hormones better, giving the female estrogen boosts to counter the testosterone levels. This helps women to reduce pimples that form under the first layer of skin instead of on top of the epidermis, helps regulate periods to be less sporadic and irregular, assists in lowering testosterone to lessen unsightly hair growths that are more associated with males etc. Women or men can also have too much production of estrogen or testosterone, in those orders respectfully. Men who have sexual issues and can't focus on life may be given estrogen to lower those urges. However, it doesn't necessarily mean that because genetically they inherited a condition parents may have had, they will turn out gay or be straight. There are men who are gracile and some would coin as gay that are not. I think it's important to not really let oneself be tricked by someone's outer appearances because that can really make things 'stereotypical' and there are gay people out there who no one would realize were actually gay. The people used for these tests are not always the examples they should use.

The problem in the end with it all is that genetically, of course the possibility is within us to be a variety of things, to gain mental conditions and disorders, to excel at similar things as our ancestors had etc. However, the body adapts in a person, using those genes and accustoms to the environment he/she is in, and is also based on things that a person is attracted to or repulsed by. Genetics can be easily said to be the cause of just about anything since without our genetic make-up, we wouldn't have the potential to turn out as we are. However, if it was by a 'gay gene' that some people are gay and some are not, it seems rather bizarre that straight people could produce gay children, and that gay couples could produce straight children.

I suppose in the end, we still have a lot of research to do on the studies, but it also seems to me that some people come up with 'partial' answers to either make like being gay is a mental disease or a genetic mutation, and I really have seen very little proof that someone is gay just based on genes. I can see though I need to research more but the information out there is just so pathetic because some of it is horribly misconstrued or perverted in some way as a basis to arguments supporting gene mutation or to say there's nothing with this all and being gay is a fad and it can be squashed out. Seldom do I actually see studies of the actual hormonal issues and attractions and repulsions. I think if they studied more into that it might lend some more clarity, because all gay and straight people also are not alike. There are so many sexual practices out there, and some will make some people puke, while those same ones, others might just want to try them and feel drawn to them. We're getting closer to the answers, but for now I think there's just no way to know everything yet and it's fun to at least talk about it. We are kind of talking about this similarly, just I pin it more in one way and you do another, but some points we are elaborating on the same, I've noted.

[true darkness]

wow a lot of words, anyway the gay gene is impossible to get since your father couldn't of had s*x with another and had a child after it, because men doesn't have a womd or anything like that.

[RoxasNoxas]

Hey... those male enhancement pills... those give you more testosterone, right? What if a gay guy took those?

[axel8th]

Hey... those male enhancement pills... those give you more testosterone, right? What if a gay guy took those?

.................................................. .................................................. .................................................. ......... Um, i guess he would be a lil' straight-er. I guess. We wouldn't know unless someone tries >_>. I don't think it'll make a drastic change though.

[RoxasNoxas]

.................................................. .................................................. .................................................. ......... Um, i guess he would be a lil' straight-er. I guess. We wouldn't know unless someone tries >_>. I don't think it'll make a drastic change though.

I would try it... but no.

[Repliku]

The male testosterone pills just are used as an immediate action to get some guy to be able to 'hold it up' really. It raises the adrenaline and gets the guy hard. It's going to make the person more horny, so I don't think it would affect someone as a way of making the person more 'straight' or 'gay'. Those pills are really just meant for temporary reactions in the body. You also aren't supposed to use them 'all the time'.

Really, if they were to test out hormones on humans, which they really can't do much of because messing with the brain is usually frowned upon, I think other hormones would have to be considered and not just testosterone or estrogen. In animals like rats, they are much more simple so seeing their reactions change as in habits of sexual display and habits, or killing the sex drive for that matter, is easier to do because there is less going on with their brains than ours. We have the frontal lobe to consider so until they can actually -safely- test humans where hormonal changes won't imbalance them, we can only guess. Even taking anti-depressants, disorder medications etc, can cause mood changes, alterations in a person's whole demeanor etc and sometimes these affects actually damage people if they have allergic reactions or are forced off the medication too soon.

Hormones in humans is a pretty tricky thing to study and sometimes even in medicine, they don't know -why- something works, but it does, so they administer it. I just think it's more likely the culprit than a 'gay' or 'straight' gene because a gene then would have to be recessive or dominant, and it would be something entirely decided at birth. You'd know pretty fast if a kid was going to be gay by 10-12, or through puberty but many people who are gay or straight or bi etc explore sexuality and figure out for themselves what they are drawn to. Many of the cases they examine for a 'gene' seem to be those who often seem to be 'stereotypically' gay and all gays do not behave as they do, nor do all 'straights' behave stereotypically. I think more bias needs to be dropped so the studies can be approached neutrally if we are ever to know the exact answer.

[RoxasNoxas]

The male testosterone pills just are used as an immediate action to get some guy to be able to 'hold it up' really. It raises the adrenaline and gets the guy hard. It's going to make the person more horny, so I don't think it would affect someone as a way of making the person more 'straight' or 'gay'. Those pills are really just meant for temporary reactions in the body. You also aren't supposed to use them 'all the time'.

Really, if they were to test out hormones on humans, which they really can't do much of because messing with the brain is usually frowned upon, I think other hormones would have to be considered and not just testosterone or estrogen. In animals like rats, they are much more simple so seeing their reactions change as in habits of sexual display and habits, or killing the sex drive for that matter, is easier to do because there is less going on with their brains than ours. We have the frontal lobe to consider so until they can actually -safely- test humans where hormonal changes won't imbalance them, we can only guess. Even taking anti-depressants, disorder medications etc, can cause mood changes, alterations in a person's whole demeanor etc and sometimes these affects actually damage people if they have allergic reactions or are forced off the medication too soon.

Hormones in humans is a pretty tricky thing to study and sometimes even in medicine, they don't know -why- something works, but it does, so they administer it. I just think it's more likely the culprit than a 'gay' or 'straight' gene because a gene then would have to be recessive or dominant, and it would be something entirely decided at birth. You'd know pretty fast if a kid was going to be gay by 10-12, or through puberty but many people who are gay or straight or bi etc explore sexuality and figure out for themselves what they are drawn to. Many of the cases they examine for a 'gene' seem to be those who often seem to be 'stereotypically' gay and all gays do not behave as they do, nor do all 'straights' behave stereotypically. I think more bias needs to be dropped so the studies can be approached neutrally if we are ever to know the exact answer.

You are so damn intelligent.
Actually, I knew I was attracted to guys when I was ten.

And I really hope that some studies will be done soon...

[Titanguy654]

Well, think about it...... Well, i'm not exaclty sue how to say this, so let me give some examples..........

Could there be a gene depending on your favorite color?

Favorite number?

Which video games you liked best?

preffered brand of glue?

Whether you like school or not?(Most don't. i'm just saying)

The answer is NO. Just like there can not be a gene for those things,, there can not be a "Gay gene".

You say you don't want to be gay. Well, I want to like heavy metal. (The reason being my friends are into into it. That's not important though.) I could listen to it for hours and not like it. That dosn't mean I have a gene that makes me not like heavy metal.

[White_Rook]

The male testosterone pills just are used as an immediate action to get some guy to be able to 'hold it up' really. It raises the adrenaline and gets the guy hard. It's going to make the person more horny, so I don't think it would affect someone as a way of making the person more 'straight' or 'gay'. Those pills are really just meant for temporary reactions in the body. You also aren't supposed to use them 'all the time'.

Really, if they were to test out hormones on humans, which they really can't do much of because messing with the brain is usually frowned upon, I think other hormones would have to be considered and not just testosterone or estrogen. In animals like rats, they are much more simple so seeing their reactions change as in habits of sexual display and habits, or killing the sex drive for that matter, is easier to do because there is less going on with their brains than ours. We have the frontal lobe to consider so until they can actually -safely- test humans where hormonal changes won't imbalance them, we can only guess. Even taking anti-depressants, disorder medications etc, can cause mood changes, alterations in a person's whole demeanor etc and sometimes these affects actually damage people if they have allergic reactions or are forced off the medication too soon.

Hormones in humans is a pretty tricky thing to study and sometimes even in medicine, they don't know -why- something works, but it does, so they administer it. I just think it's more likely the culprit than a 'gay' or 'straight' gene because a gene then would have to be recessive or dominant, and it would be something entirely decided at birth. You'd know pretty fast if a kid was going to be gay by 10-12, or through puberty but many people who are gay or straight or bi etc explore sexuality and figure out for themselves what they are drawn to. Many of the cases they examine for a 'gene' seem to be those who often seem to be 'stereotypically' gay and all gays do not behave as they do, nor do all 'straights' behave stereotypically. I think more bias needs to be dropped so the studies can be approached neutrally if we are ever to know the exact answer.

Okay but you're still hung up on a black and white view of the possibility of a gay gene. It isn't simply a matter of dominance or recession, it could simply be the effects and interactions of hundreds of genes that simply code for different proteins that in turn facilitate a change in some form of thought structure. Keep in mind we've only learned to understand DNA and the workings of the brain in the last century. That's not a lot of time to determine anything.

Also male enhancement pills like Viagra don't stimulate adrenaline. Blood flow is increased but not in terms of a flight or fight response. It's an entirely different hormone altogether that allows blood to flow into the ***** and produce an erection. As for hormones acting within the brain, the only one that is able to act in the brain is adrenaline, because it is able to act as both a hormone and chemical neurotransmitter. Any other hormone like testosterone or estrogen are too large in size to diffuse directly into the brain. the only things that enter under normal circumstances are suger and oxygen. At most any chemicals produced in the body naturally only affect the most primitive of brain structures, the most prominent being the hypothalamus which in turn elicits a number of responses in the body (i.e. the production of testosterone in the testes). Other than that neurotransmitters and the general operations responsible for producing behaviour in the brain, are produced in the brain, recycled in the brain, and maintained in the brain.

Again though, even if sexual orientation was determined by an imbalance in a certain hormone it would still be traced back to a faulty gene responsible for controlling the production, releasing, and amount of said hormone in the body.

[Repliku]

Okay but you're still hung up on a black and white view of the possibility of a gay gene. It isn't simply a matter of dominance or recession, it could simply be the effects and interactions of hundreds of genes that simply code for different proteins that in turn facilitate a change in some form of thought structure. Keep in mind we've only learned to understand DNA and the workings of the brain in the last century. That's not a lot of time to determine anything.

Also male enhancement pills like Viagra don't stimulate adrenaline. Blood flow is increased but not in terms of a flight or fight response. It's an entirely different hormone altogether that allows blood to flow into the ***** and produce an erection. As for hormones acting within the brain, the only one that is able to act in the brain is adrenaline, because it is able to act as both a hormone and chemical neurotransmitter. Any other hormone like testosterone or estrogen are too large in size to diffuse directly into the brain. the only things that enter under normal circumstances are suger and oxygen. At most any chemicals produced in the body naturally only affect the most primitive of brain structures, the most prominent being the hypothalamus which in turn elicits a number of responses in the body (i.e. the production of testosterone in the testes). Other than that neurotransmitters and the general operations responsible for producing behaviour in the brain, are produced in the brain, recycled in the brain, and maintained in the brain.

Again though, even if sexual orientation was determined by an imbalance in a certain hormone it would still be traced back to a faulty gene responsible for controlling the production, releasing, and amount of said hormone in the body.

I do not truly see it in black and white since I am not the one saying it -is- this way and that's it, as you seem to be doing.

Also adrenaline -can- cause a man to have an erection, or a woman to be -ready- etc. Why do you think in war there have been men that get all excited from it and then have raped women? Or why some countries have kidnapped women and made them prostitutes for soldiers, or why areas would have soldiers that would frequent those sorts of homes? Prisoners walking to executions have had erections caused by adrenaline. It is one of the chemicals motivated by sex. It builds a person up. Since we want to get technical here, the other hormone mainly affected is oxytocin, which is stimulated by Viagra to be released. This chemical is one that arouses men or women, and some amusingly call it the 'cuddle' hormone as it makes them more amorous. So as you can see, the drug, or sex itself, are stimulated this way. Also, there are others involved but eh, I'm so not going into it all. It does more though than just send blood to the right place. Oxytocin is probably more the reason why adrenaline is motivated to act too, let alone the point some guy who has trouble keeping it up is knowing he may last another 30 minutes or so. For that person, w00t.

I'm not -entirely- ruling out genetic involvement, but I lean more towards hormonal reactions based on those I have spoken with who are gay and myself, and others who are straight, as well as scientific studies that are severely lacking and anthropological and sociological evidences. As said before, there are simply not enough studies done to be black and white about the issue, but many gays or straights start knowing things at young ages or explore and find what's comfortable to them and attractive. Attractiveness or disgust reactions are from hormones and I just find it ironic these are not studied a lot more. Homosexual tendencies have always played a part in human culture despite the fact some have gone out of their way to cover it. It's also occurring in the animal world. Is there a -gay gene- in Bonobos; are closest relatives? Considering they are mainly what people would call -bisexual- I don't really think so. Genetics play their part but I don't think it's solely genetics alone and hormones hold a stronger point for me by these examinations. I'm not buying it's a -faulty gene- as you said until I actually see some proof. That's not black and white. That's saying I don't know and choose not to just say it's absolutely one thing.

I just thought of something else though that assists in the hormonal thought, but also the genetic thought too. We have failed to actually bring up memes, instead of genes. Memes can actually possibly fit the case better than just genes could and would also offer some investigations. Memes pass on with a smaller 'pool' than genes do but also are selectable traits of a person's countenance that operate differently than genes and so I bring them into the puzzle of the scenario for thought.

[VI schemer]

If you are gay, in theory, because of a mutated chromosome, would that mean that other animals could be gay? I actually thought of that possibility for a while, I guess I am only in 7th grade though. I respect gays as much as "straight" people, I have a good friend who's gay, and he's really cool.

[White_Rook]

If you are gay, in theory, because of a mutated chromosome, would that mean that other animals could be gay? I actually thought of that possibility for a while, I guess I am only in 7th grade though. I respect gays as much as "straight" people, I have a good friend who's gay, and he's really cool.

Hermaphroditus is common in the animal world.

[Repliku]

There is homosexuality in the animal kingdom. Bonobos especially show quite a bit of homosexuality, though at the same time, they mate and produce offspring as well and I do not think that most are strictly homosexual but instead 'bisexual'. Female hyenas have nearly '*****es' and will have sex with one another when no male is around in mating. Male rams have been seen mounting each other, as have male deer. Two male whales were observed rubbing one another and ready to go at it. Giraffe, other apes, guinea pigs, flamingos, penguins, dogs etc. There are many examples noted of it though it tends to be not known commonly for reasons that people still want to say that being gay is a crime against nature.

This is one of the reasons though I do not feel that being gay is strictly genetic. It would be a genetic 'flaw' or 'alteration' found in some 500 species perhaps or more that have exhibited gay and bisexual behavior. If more people knew about it, perhaps the talk of being gay, bisexual etc as a freak thing would stop. Mostly anymore, the worst bashers of it are those who are zealot religious and strictly follow a dogma laid out by books that say it's against their deity. However, this kind of information is not common household knowledge even if it can be looked up on the internet and there are a couple books on the subject. People have really fought about how it's presented and some prevent it from being told as best they can.

[the muffin man]

There is homosexuality in the animal kingdom. Bonobos especially show quite a bit of homosexuality, though at the same time, they mate and produce offspring as well and I do not think that most are strictly homosexual but instead 'bisexual'. Female hyenas have nearly '*****es' and will have sex with one another when no male is around in mating. Male rams have been seen mounting each other, as have male deer. Two male whales were observed rubbing one another and ready to go at it. Giraffe, other apes, guinea pigs, flamingos, penguins, dogs etc. There are many examples noted of it though it tends to be not known commonly for reasons that people still want to say that being gay is a crime against nature.

This is one of the reasons though I do not feel that being gay is strictly genetic. It would be a genetic 'flaw' or 'alteration' found in some 500 species perhaps or more that have exhibited gay and bisexual behavior. If more people knew about it, perhaps the talk of being gay, bisexual etc as a freak thing would stop. Mostly anymore, the worst bashers of it are those who are zealot religious and strictly follow a dogma laid out by books that say it's against their deity. However, this kind of information is not common household knowledge even if it can be looked up on the internet and there are a couple books on the subject. People have really fought about how it's presented and some prevent it from being told as best they can.
Yes ,that's correct.Besides,there's no gene that can be passed on that makes you gay.It is the environment that you live in.For example,if you got ugh let's say,2 moms or 2 dads there's a high chance that you'll become gay,because that's what you see in your everyday life.I'm not quite sure about those things in the animal kingdom...I mean,there may be some animals that have such traits,but instincts make them not to be homo or bisexual...That's what i think anywayz!^^

[Jest]

It's not environmental. They've done studies on children with heterosexual parents and children with homosexual parents, and there is NO difference. It's not something you can provoke, think about how many gay kids are out there with extremely homophobic parents.

[8730]

It's not environmental. They've done studies on children with heterosexual parents and children with homosexual parents, and there is NO difference. It's not something you can provoke, think about how many gay kids are out there with extremely homophobic parents.
By environment I think the entire environment not just their parents. Although parents have a major effect on a child they are not the sole cause of everything. It could be experiences, the lack of something, the ratio of male to female friends *is clutching at straws* x.x

[Repliku]

I wouldn't say it's 'environmental' either really, though some minor part, that probably plays. I feel it is more of a personal thing of attraction and repulsion and hormones really. I don't feel it is 'genetic' solely either. As I've said before, I hate peas and the smell of them makes me want to barf as they boil, but my family ate them just fine and in fact some love them. I can't explain why I have this revulsion to them. I also can't explain why I like someone with tanned skin more than I do someone with a pasty complexion, or hazel eyes more than blue, or someone who is lean and muscular versus someone who has rolls of fat. Why I dislike fish smell but prefer a good steak etc. My selective things I think are great versus what will turn me away are my own, and some I can relate with my family on while others, no way.

Some of that may be caused by genetics, others by environment. I'm sure disliking country music is greatly based on environment. However, it doesn't cause me to go 'eww' and run for the hills. Also, I can look at people of the same gender and say the person is 'good looking' but I know what I'm attracted to and what I do not want either. Homosexuality, even in times where the environment loathed it and tried to bury it and kill homosexuals, has endured and it will keep doing so. It is a part of human nature to explore sex and be attracted to different things. There are some fetishes out there such as 'eaters' and 'foot fetishes', bestiality, hamsters and tubes, pedophilia, necrophilia and other things that to me are much more of a concern for people to worry about than a healthy homosexual relationship.