What do you think of Gay Marriages?

[RoxasNoxas]

I've heard lots of critism of this subject.
What are your views of it?
Of course, being gay, I say that it's okay.
Why would it matter to anyone else who thinks it's wrong?
Just let us be!
I hate all those people who are trying to make it illegal in America... they just don't understand that no gay men choose to be gay... why the hell would we?
And some of us - like me - think that pre-marital sex is wrong.
What do some of you think?

[Gravity]

I'm all for it. If it makes people happy, then why not? This world is changing, and we need to examine our ideas and adapt them to match those changes. Gay marriages should totally be allowed.

[RoxasNoxas]

I'm all for it. If it makes people happy, then why not? This world is changing, and we need to examine our ideas and adapt them to match those changes. Gay marriages should totally be allowed.

:) Thanks. That means a lot, *Oblivion*.

[Roxasvsriku]

I'm against it, but hey... I'm not going to stop you.

[Crisp]

I'm all for gay people being together, but for most people marriage is a religious ritual that unites a man and a woman. And they would like to be the same as it was done when the concept was first created, to reproduce children.

[rikurep]

I'm against it, but hey... I'm not going to stop you.

pretty much same here

[Roxasvsriku]

I'm all for gay people being together, but for most people marriage is a religious ritual that unites a man and a woman. And they would like to be the same as it was done when the concept was first created, to reproduce children.

Exactly, it's just wrong in my opinion. That's why God made "Adam and Eve" not "Adam and Steve" >.>

[RoxasNoxas]

I'm against it, but hey... I'm not going to stop you.

Ok, can you please tell me why you're against it?


I'm all for gay people being together, but for most people marriage is a religious ritual that unites a man and a woman. And they would like to be the same as it was done when the concept was first created, to reproduce children.

Good point.
Maybe we should call it something different...

Exactly, it's just wrong in my opinion. That's why God made "Adam and Eve" not "Adam and Steve" >.>

I believe that, I am a Christian.
Look, I don't know why God made me gay, but I still want to get married to a guy.

[Roxasvsriku]

Ok, can you please tell me why you're against it?

Don't take this the wrong way, but it just sickens me when I see two gay guys together. Sorry... but that's just how I am.

[RoxasNoxas]

Don't take this the wrong way, but it just sickens me when I see two gay guys together. Sorry... but that's just how I am.

Ok, so it grosses you out.
I don't care about people feeling that way.
But when they try to mess with us because they think we're freaks... that's just not right...

[Crispers]

well i think its ok
i mean marrige was for 2 ppl to live with and love eachother.
im all for gay marriage.
and i dont belive in any religion.

[Black Sinner]

I have nothing against people who are gay, and they have just as much right to marry as anybody else.

Ok, so it grosses you out.
I don't care about people feeling that way.
But when they try to mess with us because they think we're freaks... that's just not right...

No, it isn't right. But, sadly, that's the way some people are.

[xekushi]

I don't mind. Let them be, if a guy and girl can marry, I see no reason why two girls or two men can't.

[Gravity]

well i think its ok
i mean marrige was for 2 ppl to live with and love eachother.
im all for gay marriage.
and i dont belive in any religion.

I'm Roman Catholic, and I totally disagree with the stand the church has taken on gay marriages. (And abortions, for that matter...but that's off-topic.) Some people people honestly think that gay people are godless, but I'll have you know that I don't support that view. I don't think gay men have an actual say in their orientation (at least, not most of them) and that God loves us all.

And God wants us to be happy, so religion really shouldn't be an issue.

(If me dragging religion into this topic upsets anyone, I sincerely apologize.)

[RoxasNoxas]

I'm Roman Catholic, and I totally disagree with the stand the church has taken on gay marriages. (And abortions, for that matter...but that's off-topic.) Some people people honestly think that gay people are godless, but I'll have you know that I don't support that view. I don't think gay men have an actual say in their orientation (at least, not most of them) and that God loves us all.

And God wants us to be happy, so religion really shouldn't be an issue.

(If me dragging religion into this topic upsets anyone, I sincerely apologize.)

You know, in the Bible it says in some parts how wrong homosexuality is.
But I think that it meant only the gay men who actually choose to be homosexual.
I'm not included in that catagory. 0_0

[Gravity]

I know you're not, and I know what it says in the bible. Yet I stand by my above statements.

[RoxasNoxas]

I know you're not, and I know what it says in the bible. Yet I stand by my above statements.

Let's talk about this on PM some more.

[Pirate2Love]

I go to a school where people think it's wrong and I tell you now I get into alot of fights :mad: here's my question what's wrong with huh??? I mean if the people are happy and are in love I say go all the way let them get married. I support and I'm proud :D and for the bible thing I think it's only a "issue" depending on how you read it. (so my mother says)

[Donaut]

I think that if they love each other that much, then I think that there is no problem with it. I hate people who think that it's better to be married to a person you hate, than be gay.

[Gravity]

I go to a school where people think it's wrong and I tell you now I get into alot of fights :mad: here's my question what's wrong with huh??? I mean if the people are happy and are in love I say go all the way let them get married. I support and I'm proud :D and for the bible thing I think it's only a "issue" depending on how you read it. (so my mother says)

True. The bible can be interpreted in many ways. I salute your mom...tell her I said she's cool.

I think that if they love each other that much, then I think that there is no problem with it. I hate people who think that it's better to be married to a person you hate, than be gay.

The truth is spoken. You're cool too! ^^

[Pirate2Love]

I hate people who think that it's better to be married to a person you hate, than be gay.

what's the point in that. that's just stupid and it pisses my off so much :mad:.
I wish people like that would just get over it and stop worring about things that don't even envolve them. To all those people who think that way get over it, move on, and stop destroying other people's happiness. :mad::mad::mad::mad:

True. The bible can be interpreted in many ways. I salute your mom...tell her I said she's cool.

I will she'll get a kick out of it :D:D:D

I believe that, I am a Christian.
Look, I don't know why God made me gay, but I still want to get married to a guy.


well then, get out there and try. I'll be there to support you, and so will a whole ton of other people.

[Donaut]

Thanks. I also hate the people who think that being gay is a sin. Tell me how it is. I don't see how a lifestyle that is no different than ours is a sin.

[Laurence_Fox]

I think that no matter what a person's sexual orientation is that that person should be able to experience the joy of marriage. Be they a man and a woman or a man and a man or a woman and a woman.

And I know full well what the Bible says in reply of this: 'Thou shalt not lie with another man as you would with a woman. For it is an abomination.' And this verse in the Old Testament in the book of Leviticus is what most bring to bear. However, in the same passage it tells us:

'Thou shalt not touch the skin of an unclean animal.' lol guess what? No football on Sunday.

'Thou shalt not eat the shellfish of the ocean.' Oops better get the picketers to Red Lobster.

and my favorite: 'Thou shalt wear garments consisting of mixed fibers.' Polyester/cotton blend shirts? Bad clothing companies.

There's more but I'll spare you the boringness of it. My point I am trying to make here is that gays should have the rights that heterosexual people enjoy.

A side note in regard to earlier posts: This is a Debate Corner. Meaning that you should provide REASONS to support your stand. Not just 'Gays disgust me so I say no.' Provide the past reasoning as to WHY seeing two men together disgusts you so that the next person will have something to respond with. Maybe 'Okay I see where he's coming from here.'

[roxas112492]

1. Im gay
2. im VERY active in my church, as a matter of fact, i have church camp in two weeks and VBS starting tommarow.
3. I recognize it is wrong, but i am not willing t ochange

[Donaut]

1. Im gay
2. im VERY active in my church, as a matter of fact, i have church camp in two weeks and VBS starting tommarow.
3. I recognize it is wrong, but i am not willing t ochange

I don't see how it is wrong. I think that if the lord made you gay, then it shouldn't be wrong.

[Pirate2Love]

1. Im gay
2. im VERY active in my church, as a matter of fact, i have church camp in two weeks and VBS starting tommarow.
3. I recognize it is wrong, but i am not willing t ochange

and why SHOULD you change huh? It's completly pointless to say someone is wrong just becouse they like someone of the same sex. and If you thing about it some (now I could be wrong but) isn't a man and a women the same thing just with different reproductive oragans. think about it take away the reproductive organ and the look close to the same, no? so to me Man + Man=Love, Woman + Woman=Love, and Man + Woman=Love. simple and clean LOL

[roxas112492]

well basically , it is said that no, the lord did not make gays that way, our hormones just deeloped different than others and we became attrected to the same sex.

Meh doesnt bother me. Sure i get flammed all the time and people say that its wrong, but it doesnt fase me as much as it should. Gays do not have the same rights which is also stupid. We cant just, publisize it , we have to keep it personnal

[Zandyne]

Ah yes this topic....

In my opinion, I think gay marriage should be allowed. Others should not have a direct hand in your marriage (aka, stopping it) because of what was so long ago stated. Times change, so why can't this? It's not like their matrimony directly harms others (and any single bible thumper that says it will bring about the apocolypse can go read a sermon to themselves or something).

Now, as for the political part of it (there is believe it or not) should also be addressed. How will the spouse rights go about? They're probably need to be altered slightly, ie: two gay married men will probably not have any maternal rights....and other such things. Personally I don't see the problem in this regard but for some reason people seem to argue the "political rights" of this. I also think in this regard, that two married homosexuals, should one need to take on the role of a spouse (ie: signing the consent form for something like spousal consent when the other is unable to sign it themselves) THEY SHOULD BE ALLOWED TO.

It'll probably take a while to accomplish this though....not without a lot of kicking and screaming from the blindly convicted.....ah well, best of luck, I know I'll be supporting gay marriage rights. :]

Side-note to those who despise homosexuals with a great passion: Please refer to the history book specifically prior to mid-1900s (the Civil Rights Movement in the US), or even the Holocaust if you still aren't seeing it. Get the parallel picture? Am I being harsh? Proabably. Does it get my point across? It should. You're despising human beings who are different from you and for what? I'm not saying they are all saints, but they aren't all evil either. They're human beings too.

[Crispers]

Ah yes this topic....

In my opinion, I think gay marriage should be allowed. Others should not have a direct hand in your marriage (aka, stopping it) because of what was so long ago stated. Times change, so why can't this? It's not like their matrimony directly harms others (and any single bible thumper that says it will bring about the apocolypse can go read a sermon to themselves or something).

Now, as for the political part of it (there is believe it or not) should also be addressed. How will the spouse rights go about? They're probably need to be altered slightly, ie: two gay married men will probably not have any maternal rights....and other such things. Personally I don't see the problem in this regard but for some reason people seem to argue the "political rights" of this. I also think in this regard, that two married homosexuals, should one need to take on the role of a spouse (ie: signing the consent form for something like spousal consent when the other is unable to sign it themselves) THEY SHOULD BE ALLOWED TO.

It'll probably take a while to accomplish this though....not without a lot of kicking and screaming from the blindly convicted.....ah well, best of luck, I know I'll be supporting gay marriage rights. :]

Side-note to those who despise homosexuals with a great passion: Please refer to the history book specifically prior to mid-1900s (the Civil Rights Movement in the US), or even the Holocaust if you still aren't seeing it. Get the parallel picture? Am I being harsh? Proabably. Does it get my point across? It should. You're despising human beings who are different from you and for what? I'm not saying they are all saints, but they aren't all evil either. They're human beings too.

bravo!
that is sooooooooo true.
i agree a 100% on this.

[Roxasvsriku]

Ok, so it grosses you out.
I don't care about people feeling that way.
But when they try to mess with us because they think we're freaks... that's just not right...

No, no... I don't consider you to be a freak. I just don't encourage gay marriage, is all.

[Cin]

Ah...just another reason for me to be Atheist. This whole debate supports my theory that religion is holding us back and stopping us with moving forward as a planet and as a country. If we EVER want to look at things on a universal scale, we'll need to unify the planet, and give everyone and everything the same rights as us...which isn't as hard as it sounds.

Gay people deserve all the happiness in the world. Just like any other human being. To deny someone a unification through love like that, well that is just...lol a sin? To the bible thumpers out there:

Yes...we all realize that you believe being gay is wrong. Abomination or whatever...but how "in gods name" does the marriage of them affect you at all? I'll tell you...if 2 gay men are trying to get married, them being married wouldn't have a large impact on your life. But you not supporting their marriage, and stopping it all togethor...that impacts there life A LOT. I mean...seriously...that's like stopping someone from marrying because they're black.

And then there's the "Unification between a man and a woman" people. Well...in all honesty, if you really look at marriage as just that, you hardly deserve the right to be married. To look at something so important, as something black and white like that is belittling anything and everthing that it stands for. In the words of Lois Griffin: "Two straight people that hate each other really deserve the right to be togethor more then two gay people that love each other?". I'm sorry, but two gay men getting married seems to me to be more of a marriage then two people that look at marriage the way you people are putting it.

I could go on for a while...but...I have to go to school...XD

[8730]

I'm all for gay marriage. But I can see where opponents and critics are coming from. A 'marriage' is a holy union through God, technically (Although I'm not sure, I tend to get things like this wrong ><). So maybe they are just peeved at it being called marriage. I don't see the point in hanging on to things like the Bible, well some parts of it anyway. As was said by Cin, religion is holding society back from becoming much better than it is now.

[Marluxia_loves_flowers]

I truly believe people should be able to marry the person they really love; regardless of gender or anything else.

[RoxasNoxas]

Ah...just another reason for me to be Atheist. This whole debate supports my theory that religion is holding us back and stopping us with moving forward as a planet and as a country. If we EVER want to look at things on a universal scale, we'll need to unify the planet, and give everyone and everything the same rights as us...which isn't as hard as it sounds.

Gay people deserve all the happiness in the world. Just like any other human being. To deny someone a unification through love like that, well that is just...lol a sin? To the bible thumpers out there:

Yes...we all realize that you believe being gay is wrong. Abomination or whatever...but how "in gods name" does the marriage of them affect you at all? I'll tell you...if 2 gay men are trying to get married, them being married wouldn't have a large impact on your life. But you not supporting their marriage, and stopping it all togethor...that impacts there life A LOT. I mean...seriously...that's like stopping someone from marrying because they're black.

And then there's the "Unification between a man and a woman" people. Well...in all honesty, if you really look at marriage as just that, you hardly deserve the right to be married. To look at something so important, as something black and white like that is belittling anything and everthing that it stands for. In the words of Lois Griffin: "Two straight people that hate each other really deserve the right to be togethor more then two gay people that love each other?". I'm sorry, but two gay men getting married seems to me to be more of a marriage then two people that look at marriage the way you people are putting it.

I could go on for a while...but...I have to go to school...XD


Well said, thanks! Especially the last paragraph.

[~RoadToDawn~]

im not gay myself, but i see nothing wrong with it

if you love each other, than i say, okay, go ahead. people are people, it doesnt matter what gender. the world just needs a little more love, so if that means loving the same gender cool., if it means loving the opposite genter, awesome as well. i honestly, have nothing nothin NOTHING against it AT ALL. i dont see why everyone hates it, it doesnt affect them in any way.

i just want people to be happy...plus 11% of the world population is homosexual, so if we cut off gay marriges, than about one out of ten people will not get to get marries. i dont really think thats fair...

but thats just me

[Peyton]

I don't really care, people should be allowed to marry who ever they want without other people caring.No matter gender.

[Oerba Yun Fang]

I don't really agree with gay marriages, it's just i don't think that nature intended it that way.

Although i do accept people that do get married to the same sex , i wouldn't treat them any less differently, they are still people nevertheless & it is there choice if they do get married.

[RoxasNoxas]

I don't really agree with gay marriages, it's just i don't think that nature intended it that way.

Although i do accept people that do get married to the same sex , i wouldn't treat them any less differently, they are still people nevertheless & it is there choice if they do get married.

Why don't you really agree with it?

[White_Rook]

Exactly, it's just wrong in my opinion. That's why God made "Adam and Eve" not "Adam and Steve" >.>

There are over 5000 Las Vegas "chapel" weddings in a year, and since most of them are on pure impulse more than half result in either an annulment or divorce. in 2005 alone there were 3.6 divorces for every 1000 people living in America. Marriage isn't a sacred instituition anymore-- I mean look at Britany Spears. It's being abused by people like any other man-made system in this world. Besides even if gay marriage wasn't past in some areas of the world it wouldn't stop two men or two women who love eachother from living together and adopting a child.

If you believe in God and find homosexuality to be against nature, ask yourself why God let it happen. Surely if it's something that was proclaimed to be wrong in the bible, God wouldn't have let it happen right?

[Oerba Yun Fang]

Why don't you really agree with it?

Well i guess it's the fact that if people were to have same sex marriages you would think them would be able to have babies. But the only way you can have babies is by a man & woman. It's a silly reason i know but i don't think it is natural.

[White_Rook]

Well i guess it's the fact that if people were to have same sex marriages you would think them would be able to have babies. But the only way you can have babies is by a man & woman. It's a silly reason i know but i don't think it is natural.

There's always the option to adopt. there are thousands of kids in the world that could use a loving home.

[Oerba Yun Fang]

There's always the option to adopt. there are thousands of kids in the world that could use a loving home.

Oh i know that. I've heard lots of people complain that if gay couples would to adopt it could damage a kid's upbringing, but i think they could do a good job like any other couple.

Part of the reason why i don't agree with this is most likely my upbringing & that would most likely be the case for most people. But i'm not totally against it, people have a right to marry who they want & i accept it.

[Anderson]

As a Catholic, no offense to you, but I'm against it because, like Roxllen said, marriage is to unite a man and a woman to have children.

I don't have ANYTHING against gay people, since I'm not a homophobe. I'm just against marriages, is all.

[RoxasNoxas]

Well i guess it's the fact that if people were to have same sex marriages you would think them would be able to have babies. But the only way you can have babies is by a man & woman. It's a silly reason i know but i don't think it is natural.

Marriage isn't just for a man and women to hook up and have kids. It's for two people who really care about each other to show the world that they belong together, and that they love each other.

[Donaut]

Well i guess it's the fact that if people were to have same sex marriages you would think them would be able to have babies. But the only way you can have babies is by a man & woman. It's a silly reason i know but i don't think it is natural.

So just because a man and a man can't produce a baby, it's wrong?

[Oerba Yun Fang]

So just because a man and a man can't produce a baby, it's wrong?

I just don't think it is natural that is all.

[Donaut]

I just don't think it is natural that is all.

So would you rather see a man and woman who hate eachother, than two gay people who love eachother?

[Alice]

As far as I'm concerned, I see no problem with it. Marriage is supposed to represent a couple's love for each other. It's not an excuse to reproduce. You can quite easily do that without being married. I'm more or less indifferent...I suppose I never saw much more in marriage than simply dating someone. Legal actions, ceremonies, etc. It just involves an official authentication.

Regardless, I don't see the purpose in opposing it. It doesn't affect anyone besides themselves, so why should anyone else give a damn?

So would you rather see a man and woman who hate eachother, than two gay people who love eachother?
While I agree with you side, that isn't relevant at all. Simple answer is someone who clearly hates another won't marry them unless they've been betrothed, which isn't even legal in most developed countries anymore.

[Oerba Yun Fang]

So would you rather see a man and woman who hate eachother, than two gay people who love eachother?

Why would a man & a woman who hate each other get married, it's completely stupid.
I said i didn't agree with gay marriages but i accept them. You make it sound like i am totally against them.
You should respect other people's opinions.

[8730]

It's like this, people are brought up with the idea that a man marries a woman and have children etc. Children only see pictures of men kissing women. So when they get older they aren't used to gay relationships. So people are going to find it weird, even I find it weird and I like to think I have a very open mind and have nothing against gay people or gay marriage. It's just the way society has gone it hasn't become normal, so people aren't used to it. I doubt this makes any sense.

[RoxasNoxas]

It's like this, people are brought up with the idea that a man marries a woman and have children etc. Children only see pictures of men kissing women. So when they get older they aren't used to gay relationships. So people are going to find it weird, even I find it weird and I like to think I have a very open mind and have nothing against gay people or gay marriage. It's just the way society has gone it hasn't become normal, so people aren't used to it. I doubt this makes any sense.

No, I think you're on to something.
In our society, people are simply brought up thinking a man and a women is the right way, the only way. Anything else just seems unatural.

[Donaut]

Why would a man & a woman who hate each other get married, it's completely stupid.
I said i didn't agree with gay marriages but i accept them. You make it sound like i am totally against them.
You should respect other people's opinions.

I am respecting it, I just want to know what you would rather see on the streets. Two straight people who hate eachother, or two gay people who love eachother. I am respecting your opinion, but I just want to know what you want to see. and yes I do know people who hate eachother and are married.

As far as I'm concerned, I see no problem with it. Marriage is supposed to represent a couple's love for eachother. It's not an excuse to reproduce. You can quite easily do that without being married. I'm more or less indifferent...I suppose I never saw much more in marriage than simply dating someone. Legal actions, ceremonies, etc. It just involves an official authentication.

Regardless, I don't see the purpose in opposing it. It doesn't affect anyone besides themselves, so why should anyone else give a damn?

Yes, and people who think that the world is a worse place because of it are just plain ignorant. I want to know from a person who thinks that way.

[Oerba Yun Fang]

It's like this, people are brought up with the idea that a man marries a woman and have children etc. Children only see pictures of men kissing women. So when they get older they aren't used to gay relationships. So people are going to find it weird, even I find it weird and I like to think I have a very open mind and have nothing against gay people or gay marriage. It's just the way society has gone it hasn't become normal, so people aren't used to it. I doubt this makes any sense.

No it does make sense. As i said in one of my earlier posts, the way i have been raised has affected my veiws on this, as well as my religious belief. So having a same sex relation is something that i would never consider but i know people that are gay. I thought it was strange at first, but they are still my friends & i accept their choice.

I am respecting it, I just want to know what you would rather see on the streets. Two straight people who hate eachother, or two gay people who love eachother. I am respecting your opinion, but I just want to know what you want to see. and yes I do know people who hate eachother and are married.

Well seeing them would be kinda strange but it's their choice. I don't hate people that have gay marriages.

[RoxasNoxas]

No it does make sense. As i said in one of my earlier posts, the way i have been raised has affected my veiws on this, as well as my religious belief. So having a same sex relation is something that i would never consider but i know people that are gay. I thought it was strange at first, but they are still my friends & i accept their choice.



Well seeing them would be kinda strange but it's their choice.

God, it's not a choice! No homosexuals choose to be that way!
It's only a choice if its a straight person who is really messed up and decides to be gay.

[Nanaki]

...I don't see a problem with gay marriges at all. It doesn't hurt anytone, right? It makes them no different from us. So what's the problem with it. I see it like this: As long as people are happy, and as long as nobody is hurt by it, then it's okay. So it doesn't bother me at all.

[Oerba Yun Fang]

God, it's not a choice! No homosexuals choose to be that way!
It's only a choice if its a straight person who is really messed up and decides to be gay.

But it's their choice to get married.

Sorry that was bad wording on my account there.

[RoxasNoxas]

But it's their choice to get married.

Sorry that was bad wording on my account there.

Well duh.
But we want to be married. It's not fair that a man and a women can get married, but not a man and a man or a women and a women.

[Roxasvsriku]

Why don't you really agree with it?

You are making it sound like I'm a bad person because I don't support gay marriages. Seriously, don't ask for an opinion if you are only expecting everyone to agree with you. I do NOT support gay marriages. End of Story.

[RoxasNoxas]

You are making it sound like I'm a bad person because I don't support gay marriages. Seriously, don't ask for an opinion if you are only expecting everyone to agree with you. I do NOT support gay marriages. End of Story.

Why? 'Cause it's not natural?
Oh grow up.

[Donaut]

You are making it sound like I'm a bad person because I don't support gay marriages. Seriously, don't ask for an opinion if you are only expecting everyone to agree with you. I do NOT support gay marriages. End of Story.

No, he said in his first post that he wants you to give a reason why you don't support it.

[Pure Beats~]

Personally, I don't support them.
I'v always believed that marriage was for a man and woman, not for man/man or woman/woman. But that's just me.

[Nanaki]

Why? 'Cause it's not natural?
Oh grow up.

Calm down and leave RVR alone before you get in trouble. Some people just don't support it. No, it's not natural...but it hurts nobody, so I don't mind it. I mean...gays are happy being different, so it's fine by me. Some people find it too strange, though....but whatever. It's their opinion, so let him speak it, okay?

[Pirate2Love]

why can't they just understand gay is good... talking about understanding can someone please explain to me who said it was so wrong and got other people to think it's one of those "If you do it your going to hell" sins. If you do I'll try to see where their coming from, but to be honest I just don't see the problem. See the kids at my school alwas say "M.J. you just don't get it. It's wrong and gross and..." that's as far as I get before I start ripping their limbs off. Like hell I don't understand to me there is nothing to understand. so please explain.

[RoxasNoxas]

Not natural? Dude it's wrong as hell. Go ahead and marry your Puerto Rican husband for all I care.

I just think that homosexuals should be able to get married without losers like you getting in an uproar about it.
It's not fair that straight couples can get married and no one cares, but gay couples get married and everyone's like: OH! How gross! It's not natural!

We can't help being gay. And if gay marriage becomes illegal that will be totally unfair.

[Donaut]

Not natural? Dude it's wrong as hell. Go ahead and marry your Puerto Rican husband for all I care.

That is not right. You should get a warning for that. That is being racist toward their culture, heritage, and everything else they stand for. I have Puerto Rican friends and they aren't gay. You are a sick person.

[Pirate2Love]

Not natural? Dude it's wrong as hell. Go ahead and marry your Puerto Rican husband for all I care.

worry about your own life and not natural HAH! nothing could be more natural if they love that is completely, totally, and 100% natural. Love is an emotion for the love of humanity.

[Nanaki]

Not natural? Dude it's wrong as hell. Go ahead and marry your Puerto Rican husband for all I care.

...That was cold. My friend is going out with a Puerto Rican, and they aren't gay...and there's nothing wrong with gay people, at least in my opinion. Gawd...no matter what the final decision on Gay Marriges is....I bet a War will break out....

[Gravity]

Okay, you've stated your opinion...now stop being rude to the other people that are stating theirs.

And, as Pirate2Love said, love is an emotion that really isn't picked. It just happens...so don't act like being the way they are is their fault...because it's not.

(What's up with this week and people getting testy?)

[RoxasNoxas]

...That was cold. My friend is going out with a Puerto Rican, and they aren't gay...and there's nothing wrong with gay people, at least in my opinion. Gawd...no matter what the final decision on Gay Marriges is....I bet a War will break out....

I totally hope not.
Why do people even care? WHY?

[Nanaki]

I totally hope not.
Why do people even care? WHY?

...It's because the Big Shots like to controll the world from behind their large desks. They think they can do what THEY want, not what WE want....They don't care....

[Pirate2Love]

...That was cold. My friend is going out with a Puerto Rican...and there's nothing wrong with gay people, at least in my opinion. Gawd...no matter what the final decision on Gay Marriges is....I bet a War will break out....

ever hear of history repeating it's self. Not only a war but just possible another holocost (and I for never want that to ever happen again to any type of people)all becouse one person in power says it "UNNATURAL" :mad:

[RoxasNoxas]

...It's because the Big Shots like to controll the world from behind their large desks. They think they can do what THEY want, not what WE want....They don't care....

This whole thing is just so depressing...





GET OFF OUR BACKS!

[Ratchet]

In my belief marriage is a lasting commitment between two people who love each other. I do not believe this should be set be gender. If people are deeply committed to each other then they should be allowed to marry regardless of sexual orientation. Emotion is a strong driving force. It is neither right or wrong. I would like to see true equality in the area of marriage. Commitment can be equally as strong regardless of the gender of your partner.

[Gravity]

Guys, name-calling isn't going to make this any better. The best way is to just talk to them calmly and get them to understand that they don't have to agree with us...but they do need to accept the fact that the times are changing.

[Cin]

RoxasvsRiku, you get a warning. You too RoxasNoxas. Both of you stop fighting and get over yoursevles. Roxasnoxas, you said "grow up". Maybe you need to do a bit of growing of your own and respect other's opinions. And RoxasvsRiku, that was completely igrnorant, un-called for, and blatantly racist. I would close this thread, but you are both smart members. Stop fighting or you both get more warnings.

[RoxasNoxas]

RoxasvsRiku, you get a warning. You too RoxasNoxas. Both of you stop fighting and get over yoursevles. Roxasnoxas, you said "grow up". Maybe you need to do a bit of growing of your own and respect other's opinions. And RoxasvsRiku, that was completely igrnorant, un-called for, and blatantly racist. I would close this thread, but you are both smart members. Stop fighting or you both get more warnings.

Sorry, but I would stop if he just left me alone.

[Nanaki]

This whole thing is just so depressing...





GET OFF OUR BACKS!

Alright, calm yourself. We can't do anything about them...it's just how we must live...

[Misty]

I think Gay Marriage is fine.

It's not hurting the straight people, they don't have to go see the marriage, so why forbid it? If the two people are happy, who cares.

Love is love. You can't change your orientation and you can't force yourself not to love someone.

I argued this point a lot in my Current Issues class last year... Let's just say I won the debate. ^^

[Donaut]

RoxasvsRiku, you get a warning. You too RoxasNoxas. Both of you stop fighting and get over yoursevles. Roxasnoxas, you said "grow up". Maybe you need to do a bit of growing of your own and respect other's opinions. And RoxasvsRiku, that was completely igrnorant, un-called for, and blatantly racist. I would close this thread, but you are both smart members. Stop fighting or you both get more warnings.

Thanks Cin for getting my message.

[RoxasNoxas]

I think Gay Marriage is fine.

It's not hurting the straight people, they don't have to go see the marriage, so why forbid it? If the two people are happy, who cares.

Love is love. You can't change your orientation and you can't force yourself not to love someone.

I argued this point a lot in my Current Issues class last year... Let's just say I won the debate. ^^

Thanks for understanding. That's exactly the kind of point I've been trying to make here.

[White_Rook]

I'm still a little shocked about how naive some people are. Marriage is pretty much as sacred and special as snorting coke nowadays; some people choose to do it others don't.

[Shadow]

I am strongly against it, a man with another man is the grossest picture anyone could ever put in my head.

The thing about 2 girls being married doesnt bother me, although I AM a guy, and what guy wouldnt like that (besides a homosexual).

I am agaisnt 2 girls being married, but not against them having sex for my pleasure.

Does that make me a hypocrite?

[Pirate2Love]

I'm still a little shocked about how naive some people are. Marriage is pretty much as sacred and special as snorting coke nowadays; some people choose to do it others don't.

Hum never thought of it that way. interesting

I am strongly against it, a man with another man is the grossest picture anyone could ever put in my head.

The thing about 2 girls being married doesnt bother me, although I AM a guy, and what guy wouldnt like that (besides a homosexual).

I am agaisnt 2 girls being married, but not against them having sex for my pleasure.

Does that make me a hypocrite?

well kinda, but it is your choice so who cares what I think.

[RoxasNoxas]

I am strongly against it, a man with another man is the grossest picture anyone could ever put in my head.

The thing about 2 girls being married doesnt bother me, although I AM a guy, and what guy wouldnt like that (besides a homosexual).

I am agaisnt 2 girls being married, but not against them having sex for my pleasure.

Does that make me a hypocrite?

I don't care what you think. Although, you are pretty much a hypocrite. A selfish one.
But you're against gay marriage just because it grosses you out? That's just a little lame, man.

[White_Rook]

I am strongly against it, a man with another man is the grossest picture anyone could ever put in my head.

The thing about 2 girls being married doesnt bother me, although I AM a guy, and what guy wouldnt like that (besides a homosexual).

I am agaisnt 2 girls being married, but not against them having sex for my pleasure.

Does that make me a hypocrite?

Well from a woman's perspective two girls having sex isn't appetizing either. There are also guys that don't find lesbians attractive, because 100% of the time it's nothing pornography builds it up to be. But just because you think it's gross doesn't really solidify your stance. Imagining your parents having sex is probably a much grosser image.

[Cin]

I am strongly against it, a man with another man is the grossest picture anyone could ever put in my head.

The thing about 2 girls being married doesnt bother me, although I AM a guy, and what guy wouldnt like that (besides a homosexual).

I am agaisnt 2 girls being married, but not against them having sex for my pleasure.

Does that make me a hypocrite?

What it makes you is a sex-crazed *******...XD

[RoxasNoxas]

What it makes you is a sex-crazed *******...XD

That's kinda what I thought too. But I didn't want to post it. Thought you'd get mad at me. 0_0

[Donaut]

And not all people who have gay sex are gay. People wonder and think about it. People experiment and I don't think it is gay.

[Nanaki]

I am strongly against it, a man with another man is the grossest picture anyone could ever put in my head.

The thing about 2 girls being married doesnt bother me, although I AM a guy, and what guy wouldnt like that (besides a homosexual).

I am agaisnt 2 girls being married, but not against them having sex for my pleasure.

Does that make me a hypocrite?

....I find that rather gross. I mean...we aren't exactly dolls, ya know. We feel too....it kinda offends me that you would say that....and now I veiw you differently...as in scary differently...O.o;

But....I guess it's what you think....O.O;

[Crispers]

I am strongly against it, a man with another man is the grossest picture anyone could ever put in my head.

The thing about 2 girls being married doesnt bother me, although I AM a guy, and what guy wouldnt like that (besides a homosexual).

I am agaisnt 2 girls being married, but not against them having sex for my pleasure.

Does that make me a hypocrite?

wow....
ok dude,
im human too but,
i dont think that guys should just have sex with eachother for my pleasure O_o
i dont mind gay marriage.
but dude...
just eww.
grow up..

[RoxasNoxas]

....I find that rather gross. I mean...we aren't exactly dolls, ya know. We feel too....it kinda offends me that you would say that....and now I veiw you differently...as in scary differently...O.o;

But....I guess it's what you think....O.O;

This is a whole 'nother issue.
Women today are not treated with enough respect by men!
They're mostly treated like sex machines, in my opinion.

[Crispers]

This is a whole 'nother issue.
Women today are not treated with enough respect by men!
They're mostly treated like sex machines, in my opinion.

lol ya this is another topic....
but soo true..
then again there r some woman that love to be toys O_o

[RoxasNoxas]

lol ya this is another topic....
but soo true..
then again there r some woman that love to be toys O_o

... true... 0_0

[Nanaki]

This is a whole 'nother issue.
Women today are not treated with enough respect by men!
They're mostly treated like sex machines, in my opinion.

Well, not all guys treat us like that...but some do, yes. That's why it's harder for girls...that and a LOAD of other reasons....Gawd...guys are lucky....>.>;

Anyways, on topic. I've noticed something...when people refer to gay marriges...they seem to only think about guys...not really girls....why IS that??? O.o;

[White_Rook]

With the whole feminist movement and equality, there's still this? Yeah this is definitely another topic, and if someone starts it I'll have something to say about it.

[Cin]

Yes...guys...that's another topic. And if I hear more about it the threads going to be clos-ed. Back on topic please now?

[RoxasNoxas]

With the whole feminist movement and equality, there's still this? Yeah this is definitely another topic, and if someone starts it I'll have something to say about it.

You can go ahead.

[Mirai]

On Serebii.net, in the Debate forum, homosexual debates are forbidden. Why? The pro-gay marriage always win. Seriously, there is no real argument for homphobia.

Here's some things to chew on:

The "It's not natural" argument: Many animals have been to be gay, or atleast bi. This shows that it occurs in nature. What does that mean? It's natural.

The "It goes against the Buybull, er, Bible" argument: Ever touched a football? You'll burn in Hell according to the same chapter. Ever ate shellfish? You'll burn in Hell according to the same chapter. Ever cussed? You'll burn in Hell according to the same chapter. Why is it that Christians choose what's metaphorical and what's not?

The "Marriage is sacred" argument: Not anymore. Divorces are everywhere. Marriage is no longer a factor in love.

The "It makes no babies" argument: Not all couples want kids anyway. What about those who are infertle? Are they barred from marriage as well?

Besides, gays are actually helpfull. They adopt more, as they make babies of their own. This'll keep adoption centers from getting crowded. And, no, according to research, homosexual parents DO NOT make their kid gay.

[Shadow]

Well from a woman's perspective two girls having sex isn't appetizing either. There are also guys that don't find lesbians attractive, because 100% of the time it's nothing pornography builds it up to be. But just because you think it's gross doesn't really solidify your stance. Imagining your parents having sex is probably a much grosser image.

I dont find lesbians attractive, I just find it arousing when 2 girls do that kind of stuff.

What it makes you is a sex-crazed *******...XD

There is no shame.

....I find that rather gross. I mean...we aren't exactly dolls, ya know. We feel too....it kinda offends me that you would say that....and now I veiw you differently...as in scary differently...O.o;

But....I guess it's what you think....O.O;

I'm sorry you feel that way, but I just have no shame in saying that I like that sort of thing.

[White_Rook]

On Serebii.net, in the Debate forum, homosexual debates are forbidden. Why? The pro-gay marriage always win. Seriously, there is no real argument for homphobia.

Here's some things to chew on:

The "It's not natural" argument: Many animals have been to be gay, or atleast bi. This shows that it occurs in nature. What does that mean? It's natural.

The "It goes against the Buybull, er, Bible" argument: Ever touched a football? You'll burn in Hell according to the same chapter. Ever ate shellfish? You'll burn in Hell according to the same chapter. Ever cussed? You'll burn in Hell according to the same chapter. Why is it that Christians choose what's metaphorical and what's not?

The "Marriage is sacred" argument: Not anymore. Divorces are everywhere. Marriage is no longer a factor in love.

The "It makes no babies" argument: Not all couples want kids anyway. What about those who are infertle? Are they barred from marriage as well?

Besides, gays are actually helpfull. They adopt more, as they make babies of their own. This'll keep adoption centers from getting crowded. And, no, according to research, homosexual parents DO NOT make their kid gay.

ARRRRR ye post be awesome!

[Shadow]

The "It's not natural" argument: Many animals have been to be gay, or atleast bi. This shows that it occurs in nature. What does that mean? It's natural.

Are you saying there is evidence that male animals have sex with other male animals, I've never heard of such a thing.

The "It goes against the Buybull, er, Bible" argument: Ever touched a football? You'll burn in Hell according to the same chapter. Ever ate shellfish? You'll burn in Hell according to the same chapter. Ever cussed? You'll burn in Hell according to the same chapter. Why is it that Christians choose what's metaphorical and what's not?

I'm not Christian so I dont care.

The "Marriage is sacred" argument: Not anymore. Divorces are everywhere. Marriage is no longer a factor in love.

The thing is, marriage SHOULD last forever, you vow to your bride/groom to love them forever, until death, if you dont vow to do that, dont say it, if you DO say it, then you shouldnt be divorced.

The "It makes no babies" argument: Not all couples want kids anyway. What about those who are infertle? Are they barred from marriage as well?

That argument is BS, ever heard of a sperm bank?

Besides, gays are actually helpfull. They adopt more, as they make babies of their own. This'll keep adoption centers from getting crowded. And, no, according to research, homosexual parents DO NOT make their kid gay.

Adoption centers wouldnt be crowded if people wern't so stupid and actually kept their babies. Also, their kid WOULD have a higher chance of being homosexual because of influence, its right in front of them.

[White_Rook]

That argument is BS, ever heard of a sperm bank?

Well that's only one way. Female infirtility is just as high and nothing can be done about it. And in the animal kingdom Clown fish and Flatworms are just a few animals that transcend gender in order to reproduce. In Flatworms especially they essentially are both male and "compete" during sexual reproduction as to whole will be fertilized.

[Soushirei]

Are you saying there is evidence that male animals have sex with other male animals, I've never heard of such a thing.
Really? There are tons of documentary images and video footage on it. I'd post a picture, but it'd probably break the rules of this forum. lol. I'm surprised you're unaware of this biological discovery.

[RoxasNoxas]

Also, their kid WOULD have a higher chance of being homosexual because of influence, its right in front of them.

Not necessarily.
But, the kids would have a better understanding of what it is and would probably not be like most people in today's world and be homophobic.

[Mirai]

Are you saying there is evidence that male animals have sex with other male animals, I've never heard of such a thing.

I have. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homosexuality_in_animals)



The thing is, marriage SHOULD last forever, you vow to your bride/groom to love them forever, until death, if you dont vow to do that, dont say it, if you DO say it, then you shouldnt be divorced.


The thing is, it no longer doesn't. Not everyone gets married, and many who do, do it for lust, not love (not saying it's wrong). Marriage is losing its footing. Times have changed. Interracial marriage was illegal for a very long time as well. Do you think that different races can't get married?


That argument is BS, ever heard of a sperm bank?


My point still stands that love doesn't always mean babies. Why couples MUST have babies is beyong me.



Adoption centers wouldnt be crowded if people wern't so stupid and actually kept their babies. Also, their kid WOULD have a higher chance of being homosexual because of influence, its right in front of them.

According to RESEARCH done by PROFESSIONAL scientists, no, it does not influence them. Both my parents smoke, yet I abhor the habit.

Also, PWN. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LGBT_parenting#Sexual_orientation_of_children)

[White_Rook]

It's faulty logic to assume that being in the presense of homosexuals will make you homosexual. That's like saying walking with a person with Down Syndrome will cause you to get it.

[Alice]

Well from a woman's perspective two girls having sex isn't appetizing either. There are also guys that don't find lesbians attractive, because 100% of the time it's nothing pornography builds it up to be. But just because you think it's gross doesn't really solidify your stance. Imagining your parents having sex is probably a much grosser image.
No, I don't find two women arousing at all. Though in contrary to how many men are disgusted by the sight of two men together, two women doesn't bother me.

Then again, I'm not an incredible biased person. :rolleyes:

Are you saying there is evidence that male animals have sex with other male animals, I've never heard of such a thing.
Yeah, just a year or so ago on Best Week Ever [kill me] there was a story about gay penguins. When one of the penguins started sexually interacting with females the other refused to eat or something of the like...

[Cin]

Are you saying there is evidence that male animals have sex with other male animals, I've never heard of such a thing.



I'm not Christian so I dont care.



The thing is, marriage SHOULD last forever, you vow to your bride/groom to love them forever, until death, if you dont vow to do that, dont say it, if you DO say it, then you shouldnt be divorced.



That argument is BS, ever heard of a sperm bank?



Adoption centers wouldnt be crowded if people wern't so stupid and actually kept their babies. Also, their kid WOULD have a higher chance of being homosexual because of influence, its right in front of them.

I'm sorry...but you just pissed me off on so many levels.

First of all, if you've never heard of gay animals, you are ignorant. Look it up, they are out there and not only do they make perfectly good parents, on most occasions babies that are raised by gay animals happen to be stronger.

Secondly, yes. Marriage SHOULD last forever. And it SHOULD be the unification of two people that love each other deeply enough to spend their entire lives togethor. Sadly that's just not the way things are anymore. Nothing's sacred in this world. If you really have that whole arguement going on, then I will tell you what I said before. Two gay people that love each other deserve to be married more then two straight poeple that don't.

Yes...I have heard of a sperm bank. Ever heard of an adoption center? That whole arguement is BS. Wether or not they can ahve kids has NOTHING to do with wether or not they should be able to marry. If you truthfully believe the foundation of a marriage is to reproduce, then you're in for a serious wake-up call when you actually fal in love with a girl.

Adoption centers wouldn't EXIST if every child was lucky enough. But int he end, not everyone is lucky. Many orphans lose their parents in accidents. Others are given up because their parents just couln't handle it. Everything in life comes down to luck, stupidity has nothing to do with it.

Also...gay instinct is BS. There's no such thing. "Gay instinct" as you call it, is nothing more then an open mind. People who are affected by "gay instinct" are probably the people of the future. For they won't look at anyone and say "Wow...what a fag". Cause their parens were gay. This will put an end to racism as well. If someone with gay parents makes fun of someon from another race...that's just hypocritical and stupid.

[Crispers]

bottom line we can talk about this topic forever..
but
like i said im am ok with gay marrige.
and there r some that arent ok with it.
we have to live with that fact.
some ppl on this thread cant give good reasons...so let them be
some ppl dont know y they hate it
they just do.

and yes there r such thing as gay animals.
yes marrige isnt sacred anymore BUT
that doesnt prove anything of y gay ppl cant marry.
adopting is a whole different story.
and to me
gay
relationships
r
natural.

[White_Rook]

Concerning marriage, I still stand by my coke-sniffing analogy.

[RoxasNoxas]

I personally think that homosexual marriages are stronger than regular ones.

[White_Rook]

I personally think that homosexual marriages are stronger than regular ones.

Whoa let's not go too far. Every relationship and marriage has the same potential to fail regardless of it being heterosexual or not.

[Crispers]

Whoa let's not go too far. Every relationship and marriage has the same potential to fail regardless of it being heterosexual or not.

very true.
anyway.
all im saying is that gay ppl can marry.
and i fu want to know..
im bi.
so...ya.

[Alex C:]

I'm sorry kinda support the bible being catholic and all. Even tho I have nothing agianst homos.

[N]

I'm okay with it as long as I don't get involved in it myself.

[Mirai]

I'm sorry kinda support the bible being catholic and all. Even tho I have nothing agianst homos.

If you eat shrimp, play football (American), or wear things with two types of threads, (among countless other things)you really have no reason to be against homosexuality based on religion. Afterall, all 3 things mentioned above are in the same passage as the "Thou shalt not lie with another man" thing.

[The Great Gatz]

I am against homosexual marriage.

[N]

I am against homosexual marriage.

I was about to say that but I didn't want to hurt anyone.

Yes, I'm against it as well. *sigh*

I have a feeling this is going to be closed...

[The Great Gatz]

I was about to say that but I didn't want to hurt anyone.

Yes, I'm against it as well. *sigh*

I have a feeling this is going to be closed...

Hey don't be afraid to say what you believe. It's a debate if some people get hurt along the way then so be it.

[Mirai]

I am against homosexual marriage.

... Why? Normally, in a debate, you need to explain yourslef.

[The Great Gatz]

... Why? Normally, in a debate, you need to explain yourslef.

I'm glad you asked. Well a major reason why I am for not allowing gay marriage is my religion. And my second reason is that if somebody grew up with two moms or two dads then they wouldn't have enough influence from the missing parent thus making their life confusing. So to sum up it's good for the children and my religion is against it.

[Mirai]

I'm glad you asked. Well a major reason why I am for not allowing gay marriage is my religion. And my second reason is that if somebody grew up with two moms or two dads then they wouldn't have enough influence from the missing parent thus making their life confusing. So to sum up it's good for the children and my religion is against it.

This post (http://www.kh-vids.net/showpost.php?p=422231&postcount=98) disproves both. BTW, my dad doesn't live with me (I talk to him from time to time. He's a good guy), yet, I came out just fine.

[The Great Gatz]

This post (http://www.kh-vids.net/showpost.php?p=422231&postcount=98) disproves both. BTW, my dad doesn't live with me (I talk to him from time to time. He's a good guy), yet, I came out just fine.

That person obviously has no knowledge of the bible. What? It doesn't say if you eat shell fish you'll go to hell. This in no way is homophobia on my part either. Yeah but your dad still has contact with you. In those instances where you know what I said they have no other adult influence besides just male of just female. In your case you still had some kind of interaction with your dad and that still makes a big difference. How do you think you would've been if you had no dad just two moms or just two dads. It wouldn't be good for you mentally.

[Mirai]

That person obviously has no knowledge of the bible. What? It doesn't say if you eat shell fish you'll go to hell. This in no way is homophobia on my part either. Yeah but your dad still has contact with you. In those instances where you know what I said they have no other adult influence besides just male of just female. In your case you still had some kind of interaction with your dad and that still makes a big difference. How do you think you would've been if you had no dad just two moms or just two dads. It wouldn't be good for you mentally.

Shellfish is one of the unclean animals. Therefore, you eat, you burn. I'm looking for the verse now.

I might have been different, but not mentally. I'd still be the happy-go-lucky atheist I am now. Also, I've heard of a few people on the internet with gay parents, and they're perfectly fine.

[khcrazy101]

i think gay marrages r wrong!!!

[Mirai]

i think gay marrages r wrong!!!

... 'Ya gotta be kiddin' me. :P

[Zandyne]

That person obviously has no knowledge of the bible. What? It doesn't say if you eat shell fish you'll go to hell. This in no way is homophobia on my part either. Yeah but your dad still has contact with you. In those instances where you know what I said they have no other adult influence besides just male of just female. In your case you still had some kind of interaction with your dad and that still makes a big difference. How do you think you would've been if you had no dad just two moms or just two dads. It wouldn't be good for you mentally.

Could you possibly give us a real quote to state this? (Such as the entire paragraph where this is stated? I'm not a bible expert or anything, so....) There are also some things in the Bible we don't follow to this day because times have changed.

That's not entirely true, do you have proof? I have A friend (so obviously it can't vouch for more then a case-by-case) who grew up with two moms and he's a rather normal individual. He's not even "influenced" to be homosexual, he is quite heterosexual.... I don't know where you got the idea from, but you can't say something as bold as "having two moms or just two dads wouldn't be good for you mentally". Like anything involving people, you can really go on a case-by-case basis, going as an overall is rather foolish on your part.

My reasoning for this is because of GENDER ROLE, for those who don't know what that is, in REALLY blunt laymans terms its "girly boy"(feminine acting guy)/"tomboy" (boyish girl)/traditional roles (stick with the tradiotional roles). You can still do a decent job of nurturing someone regardless of gender role. In fact its better to have BOTH parents or at least TWO parental models then having ONE. And you're neglecting the outside world in that that child is only going to be hanging around both parents their entire lives....there's the outside world, such as neighbors, schools, etc. (its not like homosexual parents for some fabricated reason are hermits that shy away from the rest of society). So there really is no lack of appropriate gender models present nowadays, and you can only stay secluded in the home for so long, does that make any sense? Basically your arguement that gay marriage would be bad for the child is a rather weak one...considering no real proof was provided, simply the statement "use speculation".

[Pirate2Love]

i think gay marrages r wrong!!!

could you please tell use why so we could maybe understand

[Shadow]

First of all, if you've never heard of gay animals, you are ignorant. Look it up, they are out there and not only do they make perfectly good parents, on most occasions babies that are raised by gay animals happen to be stronger.

I dont look up the sexual orientation of animals.

How does it make me 'ignorant'?

[The Great Gatz]

That's not entirely true, do you have proof? I have A friend (so obviously it can't vouch for more then a case-by-case) who grew up with two moms and he's a rather normal individual. He's not even "influenced" to be homosexual, he is quite heterosexual.... I don't know where you got the idea from, but you can't say something as bold as "having two moms or just two dads wouldn't be good for you mentally". Like anything involving people, you can really go on a case-by-case basis, going as an overall is rather foolish on your part.


It's funny you say that. I in fact do have a friend and his dad died of a brain tumor before he knew him. And well he is a homosexual. I'm not currently in touch with him right now because he has moved away.

[N]

Hey don't be afraid to say what you believe. It's a debate if some people get hurt along the way then so be it.

Thanks, I'm just a really nice person, and I don't like hurting people's feelings.:( I am religious myself and I do not think that this is appropriate.
At all.
But it gay people want to get married...leave me out of it!

[Mirai]

Really, if you disagree with gays based on religion, you might as well not wear polyester, not work on Saturdays (the ORIGINAL Sabbath. And this includes doing ANYTHING close to work), go out in the forest when it's "your time of the month," etc, etc, etc.

[N]

First of all, if you've never heard of gay animals, you are ignorant. Look it up, they are out there and not only do they make perfectly good parents, on most occasions babies that are raised by gay animals happen to be stronger.

Gay animals? Where did you see this? >_>

[Mirai]

Gay animals? Where did you see this? >_>

On the news, for one.

Also, it's been proven: Here (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homosexuality_in_animals)

[N]

Animals cannot be gay. I don't see any stallions trying to have babies. If you want my opinion, the people who documented this are sickos because animals can't become gay. If they are they are forced to look 'gay', or it's just that people are wanting animals to become gay because of their sick fantasies. Animals can never become gay, and you cannot change my mind no matter how many times you put a homosexuality in animals article in my face.

I for one, do not believe that people should do this either. To many dieseases are transmitted between people a lot of times because people do not tell someone that they've been going with another man and this risks other peoples lives with HIV/AIDS, which is totally unappropriate as well. I can understand that there are people who are homosexual, but please, do not rub it in our faces for once. You can do whatever you like as long as you don't harrass others with your ideas.

Animals will never be gay. That is NOT their nature. For all you people who believe that his possible then I suggest you try and see what happens when you put two male birds or dogs together. They do not have sex with each other like PEOPLE want them to do.

This is annoying.

I'm sorry but I might have to ask for this to be locked.

[White_Rook]

I love the Flatworm. Did you know that "female" in this species simply constitutes for who becomes fertilized after sexual intercourse. As previously stated, during the act two Flatworms actually fight it out to see who can penetrate who first with their *****, and the loser becomes the carrier for the offspring.

Also Roxma, I know a friend who has gone his whole life without meeting his father and he's no different from any of my other friends who grew up with two parents.

[Pirate2Love]

Animals cannot be gay. I don't see any stallions trying to have babies. If you want my opinion, the people who documented this are sickos because animals can't become gay. If they are they are forced to look 'gay', or it's just that people are wanting animals to become gay because of their sick fantasies. Animals can never become gay, and you cannot change my mind no matter how many times you put a homosexuality in animals article in my face.

I for one, do not believe that people should do this either. To many dieseases are transmitted between people a lot of times because people do not tell someone that they've been going with another man and this risks other peoples lives with HIV/AIDS, which is totally unappropriate as well. I can understand that there are people who are homosexual, but please, do not rub it in our faces for once. You can do whatever you like as long as you don't harrass others with your ideas.

Animals will never be gay. That is NOT their nature. For all you people who believe that his possible then I suggest you try and see what happens when you put two male birds or dogs together. They do not have sex with each other like PEOPLE want them to do.

This is annoying.

I'm sorry but I might have to ask for this to be locked.


Forced? HeLLO their animals you can't just take wild animals and force them to have a sexual relactionship. like I said before love, in animal or human, it boils down to one thing it is a natural emotion. you can't make animals have a sexual relactionship straight or gay.

[N]

Forced? HeLLO their animals you can't just take wild animals and force them to have a sexual relactionship. like I said before love, in animal or human, it boils down to one thing it is a natural emotion. you can't make animals have a sexual relactionship straight or gay.

I am an animal lover...and I am defensive of the things/people I love. I didn't mean to go off...

[Pirate2Love]

I am an animal lover...and I am defensive of the things/people I love. I didn't mean to go off...

I'm an animal lover to but still I stick with my earlier statement

[N]

I'm an animal lover to but still I stick with my earlier statement

I won't make you change your views. :)

[Zandyne]

It's funny you say that. I in fact do have a friend and his dad died of a brain tumor before he knew him. And well he is a homosexual. I'm not currently in touch with him right now because he has moved away.

Did you read my ENTIRE post? Did he have two moms or only one parent? My example had two "parents" yours has only one. My arguement (in terms of homosexuals adopting a child) is that "two parents are better then one, gender does not have a DIRECT effect it". And I also stated it was a case-by-case basis.

So are you picking and choosing what you wish to directly respond to?

As for the last part, did he say this himself, or did you assume this?

[Donaut]

I say support gay marriage. There is nothing wrong with two males being married. It is basically the same thing as a male and female. If gays want to be married and fit in with the rest of society, then I say let them! Tell me a reason why gays shouldn't have the same privleges(sp?) as straight people.

[the muffin man]

I don't really have a problem with it.But i was just thinking that if gay marriages become more and more the world would TOTALLY change.Their kids would take the same example and then gay people would just multiply...I don't know...It just doesn't sound right...

[Zandyne]

I don't really have a problem with it.But i was just thinking that if gay marriages become more and more the world would TOTALLY change.Their kids would take the same example and then gay people would just multiply...I don't know...It just doesn't sound right...

If your logic is like that....then who was the "first gay"? But yes, not every marriage (straight and if gay marriage becomes legal) will be perfect. The world isn't perfect, period.

[Cin]

I don't really have a problem with it.But i was just thinking that if gay marriages become more and more the world would TOTALLY change.Their kids would take the same example and then gay people would just multiply...I don't know...It just doesn't sound right...

Lawl...you make it sound like a disease...XD

And anyway, like a lot of people have been saying, gay influence does not exist. Here's a special little look into the life of Cin for you all:

My father's best friend was gay for years. I grew up with this man. My parents and him did a lot of things togethor, and he was basically my babysitter. My brother, is NOT gay. I, am NOT gay. There's no such thing as gay influence.

11% of the population is homosexual...in ALL of nature...even animals. This percentage has never changed at all. Because there's usually a fixed number of gay people. They don't multiply, or spread, or anything else. When you are born, there's a 1 in 10 chance you'll be gay. Gay influence, in all respects is no more then a way to end diversity for gay people. If every kid accepted gay people for who they were, simply because their parents were gay, then there'd be no such thing a dicrimination for gays.

And you people out there who couldn't care less about the discrimination of gay people: Get over yourself, really. We're all people, and despite all our differences we SHOULD be able to at least share one planet togethor. The world is to small for us to be fighting over land, over people, and over control. What it all comes down to is that we all need to realize that everyone is equal and everyone is the same. So like I said: Get over yourself, the world will be a much better place without selfish, ignorant people like you running around.

[Roxas]

I think it's alright. I mean, even if you don't like it chances are it's not even affecting you anyway so I think gay marriages should be allowed everywhere.

[The Great Gatz]

I think it's alright. I mean, even if you don't like it chances are it's not even affecting you anyway so I think gay marriages should be allowed everywhere.

Good to see ya back Roxas!

But now on topic this is how the dictionary defines marriage:1.)a.)The state of being married. b.)The legal union of man and woman as husband and wife.
The Bible describes it too as the union of one man and one woman. And of course by law marriage is between a man and a woman. It's sorta a tradition. Why break a sacred tradition And if you think about it if gay marriage then the number of gay divorce would go up.

[Roxas]

You can't relate a belief like the bible as a code for gay marriages, as how do you know all gays are Christians. If they don't believe in the Bible then something like that would have no effect on them.

[The Great Gatz]

You can't relate a belief like the bible as a code for gay marriages, as how do you know all gays are Christians. If they don't believe in the Bible then something like that would have no effect on them.

I'm not saying all gays are Christian. I'm just saying the reason for some of my beliefs are the Bible.

[Cin]

And like many other have stated: Don't trust the bible for the simple fact that if you REALLY believe in it, you would never eat fish, play football, or work on Saturdays. I mean come on...the fact that people point out "don't be gay" and ONLY concentrate on that whent he other things are still there, not only does it belittle the crhistian faith but it shows that you don't believe in some parts of the bible. If ou're really christian and you really believe the bible, then you should at least follow ALL your own teachings, rather then just the ones that may hurt people's feelings or their lives.

[HOSPITAL, STAT!]

Really, if you disagree with gays based on religion, you might as well not wear polyester, not work on Saturdays (the ORIGINAL Sabbath. And this includes doing ANYTHING close to work), go out in the forest when it's "your time of the month," etc, etc, etc.
Precisely.

I laugh upon all the people who go against gay marriages solely because of the "Book of Truth", referring to the Bible. Let me just note, that preventing something you believe to be a Sin and yet while YOU go ahead and go against other rules from the Bible is Hypocrisy. And that on its own is a Sin, so that makes you twice as dirty.

"Who can say, 'I have kept my heart pure; I am clean and without sin'?"
-Proverbs 20:9
Only use the Bible in defense if you have, as stated, a pure heart. Which I very well doubt ANY of you have. Otherwise do NOT call on Gods name for this argument.


And while I was searching for Bible quotations, I fell upon a very stunning quote.

"Do you not know that the wicked will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor male prostitutes nor homosexual offenders nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God."
-1 Corinthians 6:9-10
Refer to this site for meaning of Homosexual Offender. (http://www.whosoever.org/seeds/offend.html)

[Alex C:]

If you eat shrimp, play football (American), or wear things with two types of threads, (among countless other things)you really have no reason to be against homosexuality based on religion. Afterall, all 3 things mentioned above are in the same passage as the "Thou shalt not lie with another man" thing.
I'm sorry I do not get the first part.

[Alice]

I'm sorry I do not get the first part.
What they mean is all listed actions are also in violation of the bible's writings, therefore you do any of said things than you're being a complete hypocrite saying that homosexuality is wrong due to the fact that it is opposing God's will.

[Alex C:]

But I dont do any of that.

[Alice]

But I dont do any of that.

You're either making blatant lies, or you didn't read their post completely. :\

wear things with two types of threads

[Alex C:]

You're either making blatant lies, or you didn't read their post completely. :\
Oh sorry I didnt catch that. =[ But I still stick to everything else the bible says.

[Alice]

Oh sorry I didnt catch that. =[ But I still stick to everything else the bible says.
There are so many unnoticed things the Bible considers taboo...you're life likely consists of much more than that minor rule.

[The Great Gatz]

Only use the Bible in defense if you have, as stated, a pure heart. Which I very well doubt ANY of you have. Otherwise do NOT call on Gods name for this argument.


Please do not insult other religions here. That isn't the title of the thread. Anyways that verse does not say don't rely on God to tell you what is right. You're just telling others what God is saying. The Bible is the spoken word of our God and those are his quotes. We're not so much as calling on his name as much as quoting him. And please if any of you here are atheist, which I'm sure many of you are, don't bash Christianity. I'm not saying I'm perfect but I am allowed to use the Bible as an argument since it's what I believe. I try my best to follow what's in it. I believe it to be all true. But the reality is everybody commits sins.

[Kroshanks]

Listen,I'm a Christian,I go to church every sunday e.t.c.I've read the bible,heck I have a copy of the bible.In my opinion,the new testament,which most christians abide to,is completely man-made.I'm a great believer in the old testament which was,according to the bible,handed to Moses by God himself.Now,I also believe in the 10 commandments.NOWHERE in the commandments does it say that two men are'nt allow to love each other in the bonds of marriage.
And about the gay influence thing,I know plenty of gay people,I'm even friends with a homosexual,and look at me,I'm NOT gay.So whoever put that idea out here should be ashamed of him/herself.
And Roxma,do you know of THE GOLDEN RULE.The very law of all existance is equality.Meaning,gays have the right to be EQUAL.
I don't even know why anyone would use the Lord's name as an excuse to say Homosexuals can't be married.And I probably am a hypocrite for involving God too,but at least I was'nt the first.

[Alice]

Please do not insult other religions here. That isn't the title of the thread. Anyways that verse does not say don't rely on God to tell you what is right. You're just telling others what God is saying. The Bible is the spoken word of our God and those are his quotes. We're not so much as calling on his name as much as quoting him. And please if any of you here are atheist, which I'm sure many of you are, don't bash Christianity. I'm not saying I'm perfect but I am allowed to use the Bible as an argument since it's what I believe. I try my best to follow what's in it. I believe it to be all true. But the reality is everybody commits sins.
Wow, did you actually read that post? No where in that statement did she insult Christianity. :| And she's not flat out telling you what God is saying. She's telling you that you have no right to incorporate those quotes into the argument if you're going to violate their source, which is completely agreeable.

And I probably am a hypocrite for involving God too,but at least I was'nt the first.
No, you're not, because you aren't one of the people hiding behind the Bible for a reason as to why gay marriage is unacceptable.

[HOSPITAL, STAT!]

Please do not insult other religions here. That isn't the title of the thread. Anyways that verse does not say don't rely on God to tell you what is right. You're just telling others what God is saying. The Bible is the spoken word of our God and those are his quotes. We're not so much as calling on his name as much as quoting him. And please if any of you here are atheist, which I'm sure many of you are, don't bash Christianity. I'm not saying I'm perfect but I am allowed to use the Bible as an argument since it's what I believe. I try my best to follow what's in it. I believe it to be all true. But the reality is everybody commits sins.

LOL! I am not insulting religion - I don't know where you got that impression from. If you must know, I'm no athiest either, I'm actually a very big believer in God - I am a christian. I am a christian that supports gay marriage. As long as they love each other - which is what God wants, for us to love and not have war/hate - I don't see the problem.

NO, you are NOT allowed to use the Bible as a Sword to try and kill the happily ever after of a Loving Couple. If you do that, then you are a HYPOCRITE. A HYPOCRITE who at that is comitting MURDER by KILLING the happiness of Loving Couple. You are not doing good, in terms of God's follower. You're actually doing JUST the opposite. Did you even get to the last part of my post?

Anyway, that was my point of my argument.

EDIT: WAAAAH why does everyone always beat me into posting ARGHBLAH.

[The Great Gatz]

I'm leaving the debate corner for a while. I don't know when I'll come back. Yeah I know nobody here cares about me but I thought I'll announce it here. Hope that I'll be able to come back later.*waves to friends* Wait I don't have any. Gay marriage is wrong.

[RiKuIsMiNeSoBaCkOfF]

I think that Gay Marriage should legalized, I'm Bisexual and I have a girlfriend, we are pretty much in love and we wish that we can get married, that's not gonna happen for a while, but I: really hope it gets legalized:p

[HOSPITAL, STAT!]

I'm leaving the debate corner for a while. I don't know when I'll come back. Yeah I know nobody here cares about me but I thought I'll announce it here. Hope that I'll be able to come back later.*waves to friends* Wait I don't have any. Gay marriage is wrong.

I guess you're admitting yourself to defeat? Face it, you have no reason to hold a grudge against gay marriages.

[The Great Gatz]

I guess you're admitting yourself to defeat? Face it, you have no reason to hold a grudge against gay marriages.

I knew somebody was gonna say that. If you knew me you would know I'm not one to admit defeat even if I myself know I've been defeated. I go until the enemy gives up. I in no way have given up. And hey you if didn't notice I'm leaving the entire section not just this thread. This may be a victory for you but I promise this thread and my voice will not die. I'm just resting. I was getting a bit too mad at some of those people saying you can't use the Bible as a reason for not wanting gay marriage to be legal. You know what I'm staying! HAHAHAHAHA! I'm not done for. I am never wrong!

[Kroshanks]

Ok,you know what?This thing has gotten way out of hand,now.Just shut up,and don't go on this thread.I'm talking to StupidAquarius,Roxma and Alice.I won't even go on this thread anymore.Let the more civil people give their opinions in a more proper way.Because,apparently,none of us can do that.

[HOSPITAL, STAT!]

Ok,you know what?This thing has gotten way out of hand,now.Just shut up,and don't go on this thread.I'm talking to StupidAquarius,Roxma and Alice.I won't even go on this thread anymore.Let the more civil people give their opinions in a more proper way.Because,apparently,none of us can do that.
Um I don't know where I went un-civil. I was simply trying to prove Roxma wrong, which is the point of a debate. :/

[The Great Gatz]

^That's a good idea. I did get a bit out of hand. Oh and Alice no I didn't read that post I replied to. HA!

Um I don't know where I went un-civil. I was simply trying to prove Roxma wrong, which is the point of a debate. :/

Please just do what he says. S_B knows what he's talking about. You should trust him.

[Alice]

Ok,you know what?This thing has gotten way out of hand,now.Just shut up,and don't go on this thread.I'm talking to StupidAquarius,Roxma and Alice.I won't even go on this thread anymore.Let the more civil people give their opinions in a more proper way.Because,apparently,none of us can do that.
It's a debate. You are aware of that, yet? Unlike other things in the forum, it isn't going to be completely sugar coated.

Oh and Alice no I didn't read that post I replied to. HA!
Um, that's mature of you?

Serious, Roxma, you're not even trying to converse anymore. You're becoming one of those ignorant people who just say "I'm right, end of discussion." You can't have anything remotely 'civil' if you don't even listen to the other's opinion. :\

[The Great Gatz]

Serious, Roxma, you're not even trying to converse anymore. You're becoming one of those ignorant people who just say "I'm right, end of discussion." You can't have anything remotely 'civil' if you don't even listen to the other's opinion. :\

We have gone way off topic. I'll just stay now since nobody listened to S_B.(including myself) And no I just stick to my guns no matter what. Okay so I can't even remember what was going on any more so I'll start out by saying I am against gay marriage since the Bible defines marriage between a man and a woman. Now respond as you please. And I promise to be "civil". And I'm truly sorry Alice. I hope you accept my apology. I really mean it. I don't wanna be one of those people.

[Dracoslythe]

Why is this always a discussion? If gays wanna get married let them be married! Is it really ANYONE'S business? Who cares? Why is it so bad? it's not like they are trying to be gay with you....As long as it's with the one they love then LET THEM BE. If it's a sin then let them do the sinning and you sit and watch. It's so annoying to see all these people criticise and cause a ruccus whenever gays get married just because THEY don't think it's right. Oh well! Get over it! I'm not gay but I still believe in gay marriages. If you love someone and they love you it doesn't matter. There are no rules. You should be allowed to be with the one you love whether they are the same gender as you or not. It's all these stereotypes that complain and say it isn't right when it's none of their business in the first place. If a man can get married to an animal (Yes, I've seen it.) they can get married to another man. Sheesh...

[Kroshanks]

Why is this always a discussion? If gays wanna get married let them be married! Is it really ANYONE'S business? Who cares? Why is it so bad? it's not like they are trying to be gay with you....As long as it's with the one they love then LET THEM BE. If it's a sin then let them do the sinning and you sit and watch. It's so annoying to see all these people criticise and cause a ruccus whenever gays get married just because THEY don't think it's right. Oh well! Get over it! I'm not gay but I still believe in gay marriages. If you love someone and they love you it doesn't matter. There are no rules. You should be allowed to be with the one you love whether they are the same gender as you or not. It's all these stereotypes that complain and say it isn't right when it's none of their business in the first place. If a man can get married to an animal (Yes, I've seen it.) they can get married to another man. Sheesh...
See that?This guy knows what he's talking about!

[HOSPITAL, STAT!]

We have gone way off topic. I'll just stay now since nobody listened to S_B.(including myself) And no I just stick to my guns no matter what. Okay so I can't even remember what was going on any more so I'll start out by saying I am against gay marriage since the Bible defines marriage between a man and a woman. Now respond as you please. And I promise to be "civil". And I'm truly sorry Alice. I hope you accept my apology. I really mean it. I don't wanna be one of those people.
Roxma, if you plan to stay, the least you could do is construct a proper argument.

You're in a DEBATE corner here. And in debates you define your reasons as to WHY you think that way. You also REBUT other people's points to prove why yours is RIGHT.

Other than bringing up the Bible - quoteless, mind you - I haven't seem much else of an argument from your part.

[The Great Gatz]

Why is this always a discussion? If gays wanna get married let them be married! Is it really ANYONE'S business? Who cares? Why is it so bad? it's not like they are trying to be gay with you....As long as it's with the one they love then LET THEM BE. If it's a sin then let them do the sinning and you sit and watch. It's so annoying to see all these people criticise and cause a ruccus whenever gays get married just because THEY don't think it's right. Oh well! Get over it! I'm not gay but I still believe in gay marriages. If you love someone and they love you it doesn't matter. There are no rules. You should be allowed to be with the one you love whether they are the same gender as you or not. It's all these stereotypes that complain and say it isn't right when it's none of their business in the first place. If a man can get married to an animal (Yes, I've seen it.) they can get married to another man. Sheesh...

Comparing homosexuals to animals is just wrong. And that is just disgusting. That really wasn't needed. But anyways I have nothing wrong with homosexuals living together and doing what ever they want. And really if they loved each other so much they could just go up to Canada where it is legal. I'm fine with it if they go to Canada. But never in the US. And it would be a major victory for Satan if gay marriage. There is no way God can be in a homosexual marriage. And the reason people get a divorce is they have let Satan take over their relationship. They don't know it but that is what happened. So if you say marriage has become not sacred then I'll say because there is so much more filth and sin in our nation's culture than there has ever been. And with that there are more chances for Satan to climb into the sacred marriage.

[Dracoslythe]

I see your point Roxma. And the animals marriage thing isn't wrong. It's real and can open your eyes to what's actually going on in the world nowadays. Also, I think God was the one who told us to love EVERYONE. Ok, so the bible says gay marriage is wrong....Care to tell me WHO wrote the bible? Isn't the bible MAN MADE? God didn't put his hand down and write it himself. We don't know what God told us thousands of years ago. Guys like you probably just made it up so gay people wouldn't get married because they thought it was wrong. Sorry if that sounds a little mean but it's true. Open your eyes. Look around you. Almost EVERYTHING is a sin now days. Just deal with it and let people do what they wana do and you worry about yourself and whether you are sinning or not.

EDIT: I'm not trying to turn this into a discussion of religion. If it goes too far I will not say another word about it.

[Alice]

Comparing homosexuals to animals is just wrong. And that is just disgusting. That really wasn't needed. But anyways I have nothing wrong with homosexuals living together and doing what ever they want. And really if they loved each other so much they could just go up to Canada where it is legal. I'm fine with it if they go to Canada. But never in the US. And it would be a major victory for Satan if gay marriage. There is no way God can be in a homosexual marriage. And the reason people get a divorce is they have let Satan take over their relationship. They don't know it but that is what happened. So if you say marriage has become not sacred then I'll say because there is so much more filth and sin in our nation's culture than there has ever been. And with that there are more chances for Satan to climb into the sacred marriage.
I don't think he was comparing homosexuals to animals, as much as he was saying that it's rather illogical that a someone can marry an animal but not another of the same sex.

There is no way God can be in a homosexual marriage.
Not everyone agrees with your opinion on religion. Other people have their own vision on Christianity, hence it's sub beliefs. They don't have to conform to your perspective on it to still believe in a god.

[The Great Gatz]

I see your point Roxma. And the animals marriage thing isn't wrong. It's real and can open your eyes to what's actually going on in the world nowadays. Also, I think God was the one who told us to love EVERYONE. Ok, so the bible says gay marriage is wrong....Care to tell me WHO wrote the bible? Isn't the bible MAN MADE? God didn't put his hand down and write it himself. We don't know what God told us thousands of years ago. Guys like you probably just made it up so gay people wouldn't get married because they thought it was wrong. Sorry if that sounds a little mean but it's true. Open your eyes. Look around you. Almost EVERYTHING is a sin now days. Just deal with it and let people do what they wana do and you worry about yourself and whether you are sinning or not.

EDIT: I'm not trying to turn this into a discussion of religion. If it goes too far I will not say another word about it.

Open my eyes?!!!???!!!! Does anybody not see what's wrong with that?! I mean I know this stuff goes on but I don't support it. It is just wrong. So should we just change to fit the times? NO! never. Never change to fit what's going on. If you do that nothing will ever get done. Nothing has ever been done by just watching time pass by. And hey God told the people way back when what to write and they did. And really who would do something like that? I know for sure God didn't tell people what to write just so gay marriage would be wrong. The Bible is the truth. I'm sorry for going a bit too religious there. Now I know what you mean it's hard to stay on topic when you bring in religion.



EDIT: I have decided to leave this thread. I don't know whats wrong with me today. I will say sorry to those I hurt today when I was getting off topic and not debating. Those I hurt while debating I can't really say much but it happens.

[Dracoslythe]

Um..I think you missunderstood me. I wasn't saying WE have to change to fit the times. I'm saying that the world around you changes and there is nothing you can do about it. Even if you were to be president people all over would still break the rules and do things their own way regardless of what you, or other people think. Even if it is a law and gay marriage is illegal, gays will still date gays and live together. So what's the point in trying to stop it? That's what I'm trying to say. If you have your beliefs then you go on and do things your own way. But gays getting married has nothing to do with you. So why does it harm or bother you? If you think it's wrong then just know that you are right under God's rule, but just let them do what they want.

One last question: How exactly do you know that God told the people what to write in the bible? Is that what the bible says? Or is it what the priests tell you that read FROM the bible?

[The Great Gatz]

One last question: How exactly do you know that God told the people what to write in the bible? Is that what the bible says?

This is my last post on this thread: Yes, God told them what to write. And that's why in the Bible it says it's his word. Good bye yall. I'll miss ya.:(:(:(

EDIT: YAY!!!! POST NUMBER 400!

[Dracoslythe]

This is my last post on this thread: Yes, God told them what to write. And that's why in the Bible it says it's his word. Good bye yall. I'll miss ya.:(:(:(

EDIT: YAY!!!! POST NUMBER 400!

sigh....back to square one....

he missed the whole point. oh well...:rolleyes:

[Cin]

I'm leaving the debate corner for a while. I don't know when I'll come back. Yeah I know nobody here cares about me but I thought I'll announce it here. Hope that I'll be able to come back later.*waves to friends* Wait I don't have any. Gay marriage is wrong.

...wow...sore loser?

[Laurence_Fox]

This is my last post on this thread: Yes, God told them what to write. And that's why in the Bible it says it's his word. Good bye yall. I'll miss ya.:(:(:(



Do you really need to announce you're leaving a thread? oo;

[HOSPITAL, STAT!]

sigh....back to square one....

he missed the whole point. oh well...:rolleyes:
This guy misses EVERYONE'S point. He even missed mine.

He's just an ignorant kid who doesn't want to sound wrong. :/ I can't believe he still had the nerve to bring up the whole Bible defense thing.

[The Great Gatz]

...wow...sore loser?

HOW AM I A SORE LOSER?! I was trying to admit defeat but all you did was talk about how you hated me. If I'm a sore loser than I can call you a poor sport. I was trying to tell you that you won but you just missed my point. EVERYONE missed my point. But with all this hate towards me I had to come back.

This guy misses EVERYONE'S point. He even missed mine.

He's just an ignorant kid who doesn't want to sound wrong. :/ I can't believe he still had the nerve to bring up the whole Bible defense thing.

And no I didn't miss your point. In a debate you don't have to see the other side. And I can't believe you had the nerve to be a jerk after I was trying to be nice and saying congrats on not giving up and sorta defeating me. I'm only 15 and yall are like 17 and 18 or what ever. You have to give me credit for staying in as long as I could in fact I'm coming back in. Dang it Stupid. You always get me to come back in. And if you're wondering no I don't hate you guys. I hope you don't hate me because holding an internet grudge on somebody is pointless. Sorry to get off topic But I'll just wait for the next post. I am sorry for anything I did wrong and that will all change now. But I regret nothing.

[Kroshanks]

Didn't you just say you were leaving?You got everyone's hopes up for a second.

[The Great Gatz]

Didn't you just say you were leaving?You got everyone's hopes up for a second.

Ha very funny. Well I can't just sit back and watch as people attack me. They could've just dropped it and continued saying gay marriage was good. But they continued to attack after I left. I don't wanna be involved so stop saying things that would lure me back. But now I'm back. And really it wouldn't be much of a debate if there is only one side to it.

[Alice]

In a debate you don't have to see the other side.
If you want to make a logical rebuttal you more or less have to understand the opposing argument. You can't very well say something in correspondence if you don't have a clear vision of the other's point. A good debater has a dynamic and open mind.

On that unquoted note, I'm fourteen.

[HOSPITAL, STAT!]

And no I didn't miss your point. In a debate you don't have to see the other side. And I can't believe you had the nerve to be a jerk after I was trying to be nice and saying congrats on not giving up and sorta defeating me. I'm only 15 and yall are like 17 and 18 or what ever. You have to give me credit for staying in as long as I could in fact I'm coming back in. Dang it Stupid. You always get me to come back in. And if you're wondering no I don't hate you guys. I hope you don't hate me because holding an internet grudge on somebody is pointless. Sorry to get off topic But I'll just wait for the next post. I am sorry for anything I did wrong and that will all change now. But I regret nothing.
In a debate, you kinda DO have to see the other side. Otherwise how are you to prove your statement right against other peoples? The whole point of debate is being able to rebut other people's arguments to prove yours right, you can't just simply state your thoughts then boom, end of. It doesn't work like that. That's for the Intelligent Discussion.

Uuum....I don't ever recall you saying you gave up. On the contrary, you said you wouldn't back down because your statement on Gay Marriage isn't wrong.

Fella I don't know you, so I can't say I hate you XD It's just that your grudge against gay marriages which you weren't able to prove kinda got annoying. P:

And for the recond, Alice is 14. P=

...I quite like how that came out, the bolded part. LOL.

[The Great Gatz]

If you want to make a logical rebuttal you more or less have to understand the opposing argument. You can't very well say something in correspondence if you don't have a clear vision of the other's point. A good debater has a dynamic and open mind.

On that unquoted note, I'm fourteen.

I know. But what I meant was that I didn't agree with their views.

and on that second part. Well you're just really smart.

In a debate, you kinda DO have to see the other side. Otherwise how are you to prove your statement right against other peoples? The whole point of debate is being able to rebut other people's arguments to prove yours right, you can't just simply state your thoughts then boom, end of. It doesn't work like that. That's for the Intelligent Discussion.

Uuum....I don't ever recall you saying you gave up. On the contrary, you said you wouldn't back down because your statement on Gay Marriage isn't wrong.

Fella I don't know you, so I can't say I hate you XD It's just that your grudge against gay marriages which you weren't able to prove kinda got annoying. P:

And for the recond, Alice is 14. P=

...I quite like how that came out, the bolded part. LOL.

yeah but you're like 18.
Well I was trying to leave but you kept attacking as I left. And apparently leaving is the same as giving up. But I guess it wasn't that time. Odd.
Anyways I wanna see somebody post on topic cause I don't know how to restart this whole mess without getting attacked by everybody who ever visited this thread.

[Zandyne]

yeah but you're like 18.
Well I was trying to leave but you kept attacking as I left. And apparently leaving is the same as giving up. But I guess it wasn't that time. Odd.
Anyways I wanna see somebody post on topic cause I don't know how to restart this whole mess without getting attacked by everybody who ever visited this thread.

Having counterarguements made against you is not an attack, this is not an attack either, I am merely pointing out this fact.

On another note, you never replied to my counterstatement about your "arguement" that having two gay parents is worse then having one. Well?

(Now that could have been used to defend your point, but you instead reverted to only one viewpoint which people keep on logically (with actual quotes) disproving.)

(This is an off-topic, the last from my end I swear) No one directly insulted you, they made valid points (for the most part) against your arguement, not you as an individiual, they identified your contradicting points and that is not an insult rather a defense/offense spurred on by your arguement. Everyone should read everyone else's posts carefully before making a statement, LOOK AT THE ENTIRE PRESENTED STATEMENT AS A WHOLE, NOT EXCLUSIVE POINTS (unless you are eliminating irrelative statements) THEY ARE PUT TOGETHER FOR A REASON. Anyway, I'm off my little soap-box for now.....

[The Great Gatz]

Having counterarguements made against you is not an attack, this is not an attack either, I am merely pointing out this fact.

On another note, you never replied to my counterstatement about your "arguement" that having two gay parents is worse then having one. Well?

(Now that could have been used to defend your point, but you instead reverted to only one viewpoint which people keep on logically (with actual quotes) disproving.)

(This is an off-topic, the last from my end I swear) No one directly insulted you, they made valid points (for the most part) against your arguement, not you as an individiual, they identified your contradicting points and that is not an insult rather a defense/offense spurred on by your arguement. Everyone should read everyone else's posts carefully before making a statement, LOOK AT THE ENTIRE PRESENTED STATEMENT AS A WHOLE, NOT EXCLUSIVE POINTS (unless you are eliminating irrelative statements) THEY ARE PUT TOGETHER FOR A REASON. Anyway, I'm off my little soap-box for now.....

I will admit to some wrong doings today but promise it'll never happen again. Thanks you really helped. Now can somebody help us get on topic?

[White_Rook]

Comparing homosexuals to animals is just wrong. And that is just disgusting. That really wasn't needed. But anyways I have nothing wrong with homosexuals living together and doing what ever they want. And really if they loved each other so much they could just go up to Canada where it is legal. I'm fine with it if they go to Canada. But never in the US. And it would be a major victory for Satan if gay marriage. There is no way God can be in a homosexual marriage. And the reason people get a divorce is they have let Satan take over their relationship. They don't know it but that is what happened. So if you say marriage has become not sacred then I'll say because there is so much more filth and sin in our nation's culture than there has ever been. And with that there are more chances for Satan to climb into the sacred marriage.

People get a divorce because the marriage stops working out, or they want something entirely different, not because an evil supernatural being thinks it would be in the interest of evil for it to happen. I'd also think that "Satan" would profit more from unlimited bloodshed of the innocent as opposed to two people who really love eachother coming together to celebrate it. I see no reason why anything should be dealt in absolute in terms of what marriage is, as it's just a word like religion or love and should be interpreted how anyone wants it to be. Besides marriage is just as special as sniffing cocaine in today's world considering how it's abused; some people choose to do it and others don't.

[Sanda]

All I can say, is: Love is love. Why shouldnt they be allowed to get married? They love eachother just as much as heterosexual couples so whats the harm?

[Wabba]

Even though "marrige is supposed to be between a man and a woman" and although im a republican, I do believe gays should be able to get married. They are people; not sub-human to straight people.

[The Great Gatz]

Even though "marrige is supposed to be between a man and a woman" and although im a republican, I do believe gays should be able to get married. They are people; not sub-human to straight people.

Well nobody said they were sub human. That is no ones opinion who posted in this thread.

[Wabba]

Nor did i say it was mentioned. Its a biblical interpretation used as a platform for many anti-gay movements.

[Emo Pengwin]

I myself, being Christian, believe that a marriage should be between a man, and a woman.
BUT, I do not oppose gay marriages. I know some gay/lez couples, and they are very awesome people.
I just would not do it myself. If you want to have a gay marriage, fine. I won't cause a riot, getting the government involved.

[The Great Gatz]

Nor did i say it was mentioned. Its a biblical interpretation used as a platform for many anti-gay movements.

Show me in the bible where it says homosexuals are sub human.

[libregkd]

Show me in the bible where it says homosexuals are sub human.
Errr, do you not know what interpretation means? No where in the Bible does it say in big bold letters HOMOSEXUALS ARE SUB-HUMANS. But out of the readings, whiny church activist are interpreting that it says that.

[Dracoslythe]

Show me in the bible where it says homosexuals are sub human.

Roxmas it's ok....Wabba wasn't saying the bible directly called them sub-human, he was saying that it was an INTERPRETATION.

Anyway, I do have to give you some credit because even though there are all these people contradicting you, you still are strong enough to keep your opinion and debate. That deserves some credit right there.

However...I understand it is your beliefs and religion to go by the bible but.....come on dude, sometimes ya just can't go by what the bible says on EVERYTHING. If you bound your life to a holy book that supposedly the lord told someone to write....where is your freedom? humans were meant to make mistakes....so let them make them. I mean, You aren't perfect right? The lord already appreciates the effort you put in on doing what's right, but it's ok to let loose a little. ya know?

[Laurence_Fox]

Nowhere in the bible does it say HOMOSEXUALS ARE SUB-HUMAN AND SHALT BE TREATED AS SUCH. However in the book of Leviticus...which is the book of the bible that the bible thumpers cite it does say the following:

Thou shalt not lieth with a man as one would a woman.

Then it goes into the beastiality verses. But what the aforementioned crowd fails to remember is the Golden Rule that Jesus preached quite often:

Treat thy neighbor as thou would like to be treated. Do unto others as thou would have done unto thine own self.

I'm sure we would be upset if the tables were turned on us and we couldn't marry. The Government denying heteros the chance to be wed, say for...population control for example.

I think we need to place ourselves in their shoes and think how we would feel. I know it is every little girl's dream to be married. Most girls have their dream wedding planned out by ten years old.

But what if a gay man/woman wanted that same happiness to know that they spend the rest of their life with their partner and no one else?

And for all the 'stone throwing' for this thread I'd like to leave you with this well known quote to end this post.

Let he who is without sin cast the first stone.

[Dracoslythe]

Let he who is without sin cast the first stone.

Hmm...that's clever. I just now understood what that meant. I like that quote.

[Laurence_Fox]

Yes I rather like the fact I've had twelve years of a Christian education.

I know how they think...

[libregkd]

Yes I rather like the fact I've had twelve years of a Christian education.

I know how they think...
Hey, same here. In fact, I'm making my Confirmation next year....

[Dracoslythe]

I went to a christian night school that held 2 hour classes every Wednesday night for 8 years. The year that I was getting confirmed I dropped out lol. Kinda glad I did...no offense to the christian religion of course.

EDIT: Wow! I was watching Robot Chicken and they just used that phrase "Let he who is without sin cast the first stone." What a coincedence. Think it's a sign? lol

[the muffin man]

I went to a christian night school that held 2 hour classes every Wednesday night for 8 years. The year that I was getting confirmed I dropped out lol. Kinda glad I did...no offense to the christian religion of course.

EDIT: Wow! I was watching Robot Chicken and they just used that phrase "Let he who is without sin cast the first stone." What a coincedence. Think it's a sign? lol
Um not really...And what is robot chiccken anyway?I don't know it...

[The Great Gatz]

Roxmas it's ok....Wabba wasn't saying the bible directly called them sub-human, he was saying that it was an INTERPRETATION.

Anyway, I do have to give you some credit because even though there are all these people contradicting you, you still are strong enough to keep your opinion and debate. That deserves some credit right there.

However...I understand it is your beliefs and religion to go by the bible but.....come on dude, sometimes ya just can't go by what the bible says on EVERYTHING. If you bound your life to a holy book that supposedly the lord told someone to write....where is your freedom? humans were meant to make mistakes....so let them make them. I mean, You aren't perfect right? The lord already appreciates the effort you put in on doing what's right, but it's ok to let loose a little. ya know?

Well actually God looks at everybody the same. Maybe in some people's crazy views they're sub human. I'm Christian as you can all tell but I'm not a radical that might say something like they're sub human. And I know nobody said I was a radical but I'm just saying that so nobody will be like we never said you were a radical.

Thanks. After yesterday I'm really happy someone finally noticed.

First off nice use of "ya know?" at the end. I know people can't always go by the Bible. God doesn't expect people to always do what he says. And that is what sin is. It isn't exactly "okay" to sin once in a while. You're not supposed to just purposely go against the rules but people always do. And that's why humans shouldn't be allowed to ever make any decisions God should decide everything. JK! But really God is the only one that knows if gay marriage will be legalized and hey if it is I wont complain. I mean if it's legal and I don't need to witness it I'm fine. But if they make a big deal which they will they don't deserve to have gay marriage legalized. They only circumstance where I could ever be fine with it is if they don't make a big deal about it. Well actually according to C_S_I_Girl I'm perfect but I know I'm not.

EDIT: Wow! I was watching Robot Chicken and they just used that phrase "Let he who is without sin cast the first stone." What a coincedence. Think it's a sign? lol

I sorta see how that goes along with what we're talking about but still it's sorta irrelevant. I understand the metaphor but using Robot Chicken in a debate seems kinda immature. Ya know?:D:D:D

[Zandyne]

Well actually God looks at everybody the same. Maybe in some people's crazy views they're sub human. I'm Christian as you can all tell but I'm not a radical that might say something like they're sub human. And I know nobody said I was a radical but I'm just saying that so nobody will be like we never said you were a radical.

Thanks. After yesterday I'm really happy someone finally noticed.

First off nice use of "ya know?" at the end. I know people can't always go by the Bible. God doesn't expect people to always do what he says. And that is what sin is. It isn't exactly "okay" to sin once in a while. You're not supposed to just purposely go against the rules but people always do. And that's why humans shouldn't be allowed to ever make any decisions God should decide everything. JK! But really God is the only one that knows if gay marriage will be legalized and hey if it is I wont complain. I mean if it's legal and I don't need to witness it I'm fine. But if they make a big deal which they will they don't deserve to have gay marriage legalized. They only circumstance where I could ever be fine with it is if they don't make a big deal about it. Well actually according to C_S_I_Girl I'm perfect but I know I'm not.



I sorta see how that goes along with what we're talking about but still it's sorta irrelevant. I understand the metaphor but using Robot Chicken in a debate seems kinda immature. Ya know?:D:D:D


The first statement is entirely up to interpretation, I will not make a comment on that.

As for your credit, also debatable, you've been preaching the same point depite the valid counterpoints people like Saix have made. I don't know if you're ignoring them or just don't have the time to find them, but lets give you the benefit of the doubt and say its the latter.

....Sorry Roxma but you just contradicted yourself with a REALLY weird point. "Not make a big deal"?? They're being barred and you're saying they shouldn't make a big deal? They aren't forcing you to watch their marriage, they're barred because of your "fellows" and have been for a long time. It's escalated to enough people so that it is a big deal. And....you're making a rather pompous decision right there, saying "if they don't make a big deal about it, which they WILL, then they don't deserve it". That's a rather harsh declaration right there, tell me are you representative of God in the bibblical sense? Or is there a quote that says that in some ambiguous way in the bible?

But anyway, you made a rather big contradiction....how can you NOT make a big deal over something that has ALWAYS been barred to you? Or is your solution to simply"make them move to Canada" as you said ealier? I believe you also stated that "Satan would have a big victory" if it was ever allowed in the US, so aren't you also making a big deal?

[The Great Gatz]

....Sorry Roxma but you just contradicted yourself with a REALLY weird point. "Not make a big deal"?? They're being barred and you're saying they shouldn't make a big deal? They aren't forcing you to watch their marriage, they're barred because of your "fellows" and have been for a long time. It's escalated to enough people so that it is a big deal. And....you're making a rather pompous decision right there, saying "if they don't make a big deal about it, which they WILL, then they don't deserve it". That's a rather harsh declaration right there, tell me are you representative of God in the bibblical sense? Or is there a quote that says that in some ambiguous way in the bible?

But anyway, you made a rather big contradiction....how can you NOT make a big deal over something that has ALWAYS been barred to you? Or is your solution to simply"make them move to Canada" as you said ealier? I believe you also stated that "Satan would have a big victory" if it was ever allowed in the US, so aren't you also making a big deal?
How did I contradict myself? By saying they would make a big deal about it. And the thing is some people say yeah i doesn't bother me as long as I don't have to witness it. Well they're gonna have to. If gay is allowed then we'll never hear the end of it. Well if they're all like ha we're getting married and there's nothing you can do to stop us. That'll be the day America dies. Don't get me wrong I have nothing wrong with homosexuals being together and living together. But you already know my views on gay marriage so I wont repeat myself. But if you think about what churches would allow same-sex marriage to happen in their building.

I don't know where to start on how unintelligent that part was. The thing isn't whether or not I make a big deal it's if homosexuals do. And if I wanna make me point maybe I need to go over the top but I don't want to. And really what would be wrong with them moving up to Canada it's a beautiful place and gay marriage is legal there so I mean why not. If you really love somebody you would go how ever far you have to to get married to them so you could spend the rest of your lives together.

I bet if everybody in this thread was against gay marriage you would be too. You seem like one of those people that don't have their own opinions they just steal others. Same goes for a few others here. They are just gutless and I don't care what it takes I will never give up. I don't care if others think I have lost I will just come back stronger and stronger every time. I will never be silenced!

[HOSPITAL, STAT!]

I don't know where to start on how unintelligent that part was. The thing isn't whether or not I make a big deal it's if homosexuals do. And if I wanna make me point maybe I need to go over the top but I don't want to.

BY ALL MEANS ROXMA, PLEASE! Go over the top! How many times do we have to tell you - that's what you're suupposed to do! Either SAY what you really have to say with structed reasons or stop pretending you have major big guns to fire at us! No really! Stop this sh!t, you're totally driving me up the wall with your silly excuses.

And just so I don't sound so horribly off-topic...

And really what would be wrong with them moving up to Canada it's a beautiful place and gay marriage is legal there so I mean why not. If you really love somebody you would go how ever far you have to to get married to them so you could spend the rest of your lives together.
I don't get it. So you know it's legal in other countries and somehow, for you, it's now okay for them to get married just as long as it's not in the states.

...What bloody side are you on ayo?!? >_< Did I miss an episode?!

[The Great Gatz]

BY ALL MEANS ROXMA, PLEASE! Go over the top! How many times do we have to tell you - that's what you're suupposed to do! Either SAY what you really have to say with structed reasons or stop pretending you have major big guns to fire at us! No really! Stop this sh!t, you're totally driving me up the wall with your silly excuses.

And just so I don't sound so horribly off-topic...


I don't get it. So you know it's legal in other countries and somehow, for you, it's now okay for them to get married just as long as it's not in the states.

...What bloody side are you on ayo?!? >_< Did I miss an episode?!

Huh?

Well you never told me to do that before but if you insist.

The reason I'm fine with it happening in other countries is the fact I don't live there. And like I have said before if it was legalized here that's all I would hear for months.

Yall already know why I'm against gay marriage. I wanna know every single reason hwy you are for it. And who knows somebody might (not likely) have a reason I will agree with. Try to convince me. Convince that the the sick, wrong, and twisted is not to bad really.

[Cin]

GUYS...CALM DOWN!!!!

And...well...Roxma...all I can say is wow. You are truly ignorant.

For one: The day that gay marriage is legalized is the day that America is actually what it stands for. That statment "It'll be the day America dies"...oh my god it made me so ****ing angry I could kill you right now. America is based on FREEDOM...HAPPINESS...RIGHTS...LOVE. You're an idiot if you say that giving romantic freedom to people of a different sexual orientation then you is against America. And in all honesty, Satan should have nothing to do with this

Oh...and Gay people would not brag. Why would they brag? When black people gained freedoma nd rights, they didn't look at their former oppressers and go "HAHAHA!!! WE'RE FREE AND EQUAL YOU RETARDS!!!!", they looked at them and thanked them. Which is what Gay people should and would do. They should be happy, and you should be happy you live in a damn country where people can do this kind of crap.

And that "Why don't they all move to Canada" thing...that is the most ignorant statment yet. You might as well be a ****ing KKK member telling Blacks to move back to Africa.

Roxma, I understand that these are all your opinions and your views...but my god your views are so ignorant, sexist, and warped, I could explode at the moment.

[Alice]

I'm going to have to agree with SA & Cin. At one point you sounded like someone who was making arguments [not necessarily plausible ones, but arguments still] to support your beliefs, but with the "Move to Canada" statement you just sound like an intolerant homophobic.

[shadowjak]

I don't agree with Roxma's stupidity on this, however I do agree with RVR. Roxma went to the extreme with his ignorance. Personally, I don't think gays should be able to marry. Marriage was created to bring a man and woman together. Gays should have another way that isn't marriage. Marriage was made by the church and the church doesn't want gays to have it, I see no problem there. If they want a way to sanctify themselves as a couple then by all means go for it, just don't do marriages.

[The Great Gatz]

GUYS...CALM DOWN!!!!

And...well...Roxma...all I can say is wow. You are truly ignorant.

For one: The day that gay marriage is legalized is the day that America is actually what it stands for. That statment "It'll be the day America dies"...oh my god it made me so ****ing angry I could kill you right now. America is based on FREEDOM...HAPPINESS...RIGHTS...LOVE. You're an idiot if you say that giving romantic freedom to people of a different sexual orientation then you is against America. And in all honesty, Satan should have nothing to do with this

Oh...and Gay people would not brag. Why would they brag? When black people gained freedoma nd rights, they didn't look at their former oppressers and go "HAHAHA!!! WE'RE FREE AND EQUAL YOU RETARDS!!!!", they looked at them and thanked them. Which is what Gay people should and would do. They should be happy, and you should be happy you live in a damn country where people can do this kind of crap.

And that "Why don't they all move to Canada" thing...that is the most ignorant statment yet. You might as well be a ****ing KKK member telling Blacks to move back to Africa.

Roxma, I understand that these are all your opinions and your views...but my god your views are so ignorant, sexist, and warped, I could explode at the moment.
You are wrong. I was saying if people love each other enough then it shouldn't matter what they have to do or where they have to go to finally spend their life together. And as for that disgusting KKK remark I have to say you must have not thought that thought very well. Your whole response was full of blatant attacks on me. And well attacking people in a debate is something you don't do. Never call me a Klansman again. And how am I sexist? I don't get it. And that comment on wanting to kill me is not in anyway shape or for appropriate for a debate. Please when you respond don't just make it be an angry rant.

[Cin]

I don't agree with Roxma's stupidity on this, however I do agree with RVR. Roxma went to the extreme with his ignorance. Personally, I don't think gays should be able to marry. Marriage was created to bring a man and woman together. Gays should have another way that isn't marriage. Marriage was made by the church and the church doesn't want gays to have it, I see no problem there. If they want a way to sanctify themselves as a couple then by all means go for it, just don't do marriages.

The whole issue with that is that gays already have a variety of ways to do that. But...it's not MARRIAGE. Systems like Domestic Partnerships, fake weddings, stuff like that, it's all fine and good. But many gays are christians, and though they understand that being gay is "wrong", they want marriage because it's the only true way for them to bring themselves togethor forever, as in, under the eyes of their god.

The diddferent ways for gays to unify themselves just...they aren't want gays want. What they WANT is marriage. Every other way is legal, marriage is religous, spiritual, and int he eyes of a christian, forever.

[HOSPITAL, STAT!]

The reason I'm fine with it happening in other countries is the fact I don't live there. And like I have said before if it was legalized here that's all I would hear for months.

How, pray tell, does gay marriage affect you? No one will shove their wedding invitations in your face, obviously they'd keep to theemselves. It's their business, NOT yours. Secondly Cin makes a good statement about the bragging, which you 'fear' you'd be hearing for months:

Oh...and Gay people would not brag. Why would they brag? When black people gained freedoma nd rights, they didn't look at their former oppressers and go "HAHAHA!!! WE'RE FREE AND EQUAL YOU RETARDS!!!!", they looked at them and thanked them. Which is what Gay people should and would do. They should be happy, and you should be happy you live in a damn country where people can do this kind of crap.

GUYS...CALM DOWN!!!!
Ciiiiiiiiiiin....stop being a hypocrite! DX


That statment "It'll be the day America dies"...oh my god it made me so ****ing angry I could kill you right now.

Roxma, I understand that these are all your opinions and your views...but my god your views are so ignorant, sexist, and warped, I could explode at the moment.

...And calm down! DDX

[Cin]

You are wrong. I was saying if people love each other enough then it shouldn't matter what they have to do or where they have to go to finally spend their life together. And as for that disgusting KKK remark I have to say you must have not thought that thought very well. Your whole response was full of blatant attacks on me. And well attacking people in a debate is something you don't do. Never call me a Klansman again. And how am I sexist? I don't get it. And that comment on wanting to kill me is not in anyway shape or for appropriate for a debate. Please when you respond don't just make it be an angry rant.

Lawl...this is AMERICA, buddy. I can call you a klansman if I want to, just like gays should be able to say and do whatever they want, including get married, it also means that they should be able to live here in America. They don't wnt to go to canada just to get married, because it's CANADA. Canada and America are two different places. Gays that have lived in America all their lives will not want to move to another country, or at least out of America. America is the greatest country int he world. By saying that gays should move to Canada to get married, that's like saying, "You don't belong here...you can be happy and content with your lives, but not in America.", which is, VERY similar to the ways black were treated during "peaceful" negotiations of KKK members.

[shadowjak]

The whole issue with that is that gays already have a variety of ways to do that. But...it's not MARRIAGE. Systems like Domestic Partnerships, fake weddings, stuff like that, it's all fine and good. But many gays are christians, and though they understand that being gay is "wrong", they want marriage because it's the only true way for them to bring themselves togethor forever, as in, under the eyes of their god.

The diddferent ways for gays to unify themselves just...they aren't want gays want. What they WANT is marriage. Every other way is legal, marriage is religous, spiritual, and int he eyes of a christian, forever.

Hate to break it to you, but christians hate gays so much they tried to ban a gay killed in the VT shooting from having a funeral. If they won't allow that then marriage is out of the question. It's what the christians want too, not just the gays. Everyone could honestly be happy if the gays forgot about marriage and created a way that's spiritual, unifying, last forever, etc. Seriously, they could make that happen if they wanted to. Gays go against the christian teaching, letting them marry would be an insult to their religion.

[Cin]

XD

Yeah StupidAquarius, I wrote Calm down before I read all of Roxma's other posts. It was only after I read the rest of his posts that I became ammazingly aggrivated.

[The Great Gatz]

I don't agree with Roxma's stupidity on this, however I do agree with RVR. Roxma went to the extreme with his ignorance. Personally, I don't think gays should be able to marry. Marriage was created to bring a man and woman together. Gays should have another way that isn't marriage. Marriage was made by the church and the church doesn't want gays to have it, I see no problem there. If they want a way to sanctify themselves as a couple then by all means go for it, just don't do marriages.

OMFG! This is what I wanted to say! I don't want people thinking I am an ***. Because I'm not. I don't in any way hate people. Yall should know that. Even thought I'm not perfect the easiest thing for me to be is accepting. But it gets hard when you're the only one there for your side. But I will continue fighting against gay marriage. I'm sorry for making up stupid excuses but yeah shadowjack is totally right. I wouldn't mind if they were allowed to have something besides marriage. I mean they have rights too but yeah marriage is between a man and woman. So they would need to create something completely different and new and have it be passed as law. I really don't mind if they would be allowed together as long as they aren't joined in marriage.
I will admit to a bit of ignorance. But how come nobody has commented on the part I always bring up about truly loving someone? That is a valid point and I will say that yall are ignorant for ignoring it.

[Cin]

Hate to break it to you, but christians hate gays so much they tried to ban a gay killed in the VT shooting from having a funeral. If they won't allow that then marriage is out of the question. It's what the christians want too, not just the gays. Everyone could honestly be happy if the gays forgot about marriage and created a way that's spiritual, unifying, last forever, etc. Seriously, they could make that happen if they wanted to. Gays go against the christian teaching, letting them marry would be an insult to their religion.

I understand Christians hate gays, but gays are around, and denying them a religious way to be unified is like denying them religion. Is that also not an insult to christian religion. The whole point is: Gays are fighting not only for the right to marry, but the right to a god. They can't control their sexuality, despite what most people think, and it's truthfully unfair to them.

Also, like I said before, there's many ways to unify gay people. But it's not MARRIAGE.

[Alice]

Oh lawd, is dis sum drama.

Hate to break it to you, but christians hate gays so much they tried ot ban a gay killed in the VT shooting from having a funeral. If they won't lalow that then marriage is out of the question. It's what the christians want too, not just the gays. Everyone could honestly be happy if the gays forgot about marriage and created a way that's spiritual, unifying, last forever, etc. Seriously, they could make that happen if they wanted to.
It's been a well known fact for a period of time. However, there are Christians out there with tolerance. Beside that, it quite literally does not affect them in the least. The really have no reason to interfere with the affairs of of homosexuals. In my opinion, ANY Christian who acts in such an inexcusable manner shouldn't even bother practicing the religion if they're going to disregard the statement that's been whored, recycled, and repeated in this thread countless times, that all should be treated in an equal sense. They aren't very well being treated EQUALLY if they're excluded from marriage rights, don't you think?

So they would need to create something completely different and new and have it be passed as law.
"Now girls, we know you want suffrage, but the men aren't taking too kindly to that idea. So how about we just come up with something different?"

[Oerba Yun Fang]

Hate to break it to you, but christians hate gays so much they tried to ban a gay killed in the VT shooting from having a funeral. If they won't allow that then marriage is out of the question. It's what the christians want too, not just the gays. Everyone could honestly be happy if the gays forgot about marriage and created a way that's spiritual, unifying, last forever, etc. Seriously, they could make that happen if they wanted to. Gays go against the christian teaching, letting them marry would be an insult to their religion.

Excuse me, i am a Christian but i do not hate gays. I don't agree with Gay marriages as i have already said but if gay people want to get married then let them. They have their own free agency.

[shadowjak]

It's been a well known fact for a period of time. However, there are Christians out there with tolerance. Beside that, it quite literally does not affect them in the least. The really have no reason to interfere with the affairs of of homosexuals. In my opinion, ANY Christian who acts in such an inexcusable manner shouldn't even bother practicing the religion if they're going to disregard the statement that's been whored, recycled, and repeated in this thread countless times, that all should be treated in an equal sense. They aren't very well being treated EQUALLY if they're excluded from marriage rights, don't you think?

Their being treated exactly as the christian religion is taught to treat them. Not as equals. To christians they are sinners who deny the fact that their sinning. That's mostly what christianity is. Knowing the difference between right and wrong and confessing to it. Now christians automatically put gays in the wrong section, and they refuse to confess it. Therefore, again to them, they can't receive communion and they'll go to hell for the unconfessed. You need full konwledge of the christian religion before you can actually debate this...

[The Great Gatz]

I understand Christians hate gays, but gays are around, and denying them a religious way to be unified is like denying them religion. Is that also not an insult to christian religion. The whole point is: Gays are fighting not only for the right to marry, but the right to a god. They can't control their sexuality, despite what most people think, and it's truthfully unfair to them.

Also, like I said before, there's many ways to unify gay people. But it's not MARRIAGE.

Ok for the record I'm Christian and I don't hate anybody. I'm sorry if my statements were not correctly interpreted. I know gays can't help it. They were born gay. Gay isn't a choice. But like what shadowjack has been saying there needs to be another way that is like marriage but not exactly. And as for shoving it in people's faces I can't remember what I said but you know it will the major thing on the news for weeks maybe even months.

I will leave you with this: "we're here we're queer get used to it" Kinda snotty huh?

[shadowjak]

I understand Christians hate gays, but gays are around, and denying them a religious way to be unified is like denying them religion. Is that also not an insult to christian religion. The whole point is: Gays are fighting not only for the right to marry, but the right to a god. They can't control their sexuality, despite what most people think, and it's truthfully unfair to them.

Also, like I said before, there's many ways to unify gay people. But it's not MARRIAGE.

You think it's immpossible for them to create something that's on the same level as marriage? That's what I'm suggesting, and it's no where near immpossible. They just need one real way for it, and expand on it.

No, it's not an insult in their opinion, read my post ot Alice for what I said about denying them.

EDIT: BTW, I'm talking more about Catholic christians than Protestant christians since it's the Catholics denying them... And fro mthe wya alot of people are talking about them being christian, I'm pretty sure their protestant...

[Zaria]

Oh lawd, is dis sum drama.


It's been a well known fact for a period of time. However, there are Christians out there with tolerance. Beside that, it quite literally does not affect them in the least. The really have no reason to interfere with the affairs of of homosexuals. In my opinion, ANY Christian who acts in such an inexcusable manner shouldn't even bother practicing the religion if they're going to disregard the statement that's been whored, recycled, and repeated in this thread countless times, that all should be treated in an equal sense. They aren't very well being treated EQUALLY if they're excluded from marriage rights, don't you think?


"Now girls, we know you want suffrage, but the men aren't taking too kindly to that idea. So how about we just come up with something different?"
I was going to reply to this thread, but seeing what you just said, I have no need to XD Exactly what I was thinking.

[Cin]

Ok for the record I'm Christian and I don't hate anybody. I'm sorry if my statements were not correctly interpreted. I know gays can't help it. They were born gay. Gay isn't a choice. But like what shadowjack has been saying there needs to be another way that is like marriage but not exactly. And as for shoving it in people's faces I can't remember what I said but you know it will the major thing on the news for weeks maybe even months.

I will leave you with this: "we're here we're queer get used to it" Kinda snotty huh?

Yes...well...if gay marriage is legalized, it won't be GAYS talking about it, it will be the media of the United States, which is basically the only thing wrong with this country.

And...I will stress it again: Gays don't want another way, they want MARRIAGE. To deny them marriage and offer them something else...well...it's like the policy that America used to take with Black rights. Seperate but equal. Things can be different and seperate as long as their equal. But int he end everything was seperate but nothing was equal. If you deny gay people marriage, you might as well deny them to ever have formal relationships. I mean: gays want a unification in gods eyes, marriage. You guys keep saying, they can have the same thing as long as it's not marriage. Won't that still be a sin? It's like slapping a new name on marriage. I understand that it will at least TRY to be equal, but if you really are going push away gay marriage becauseof a christian standpoint, you have to admit that the "new" thing would be opposed just as much. Gays want marriage, "something else" that is equal to marriage, is not marriage, it's similar, and therefore christians will oppose it with just as much force. The whole point is: It's either Marriage or nothing else, marriage is what gays want, and it's the only thing that they can get hat will satisfy them and the rest of the world.

[HOSPITAL, STAT!]

Hate to break it to you, but christians hate gays so much they tried to ban a gay killed in the VT shooting from having a funeral. If they won't allow that then marriage is out of the question. It's what the christians want too, not just the gays. Everyone could honestly be happy if the gays forgot about marriage and created a way that's spiritual, unifying, last forever, etc. Seriously, they could make that happen if they wanted to. Gays go against the christian teaching, letting them marry would be an insult to their religion.

For starters I'm christian and don't hate gays. :/

And secondly I just wanted to point out...

That apparently, the incredibly 'biased view' on homosexuels that incorporates in some Christians is due to a mistranslation in the Bible. :/ So for years, your ancestors have been teaching y'all the wrong thing. Hang on, I'll dig up that site...

http://www.whosoever.org/seeds/offend.html

And read this as well for further Analysis on the Bible and Homosexuality. (http://whosoever.org/bible/)

[shadowjak]

Cin, your points are valid. But can you honestly tell me if gays were allowed marriage it'd work out perfectly and thta the christians wouldn't feel they were treated unequally because they weren't listened to?

[The Great Gatz]

Yes...well...if gay marriage is legalized, it won't be GAYS talking about it, it will be the media of the United States, which is basically the only thing wrong with this country.

And...I will stress it again: Gays don't want another way, they want MARRIAGE. To deny them marriage and offer them something else...well...it's like the policy that America used to take with Black rights. Seperate but equal. Things can be different and seperate as long as their equal. But int he end everything was seperate but nothing was equal. If you deny gay people marriage, you might as well deny them to ever have formal relationships. I mean: gays want a unification in gods eyes, marriage. You guys keep saying, they can have the same thing as long as it's not marriage. Won't that still be a sin? It's like slapping a new name on marriage. I understand that it will at least TRY to be equal, but if you really are going push away gay marriage becauseof a christian standpoint, you have to admit that the "new" thing would be opposed just as much. Gays want marriage, "something else" that is equal to marriage, is not marriage, it's similar, and therefore christians will oppose it with just as much force. The whole point is: It's either Marriage or nothing else, marriage is what gays want, and it's the only thing that they can get hat will satisfy them and the rest of the world.

Yeah well in God's eyes marriage isn't between a man and a man or a woman and a woman. So how could the have something that is ho;y and God pleasing if God says to do the opposite? Really this is an old joke but God created Adam and Eve not Adam and Steve. I'm sorry I just had to get that out there. It was bugging me that nobody had said that yet. I know I'm not very convincing on this topic but I have a conscience. I don't just go around saying to people you remind me of the people in the KKK. That is the rudest thing I have ever heard yes I know you're free to say what you want but I'm free to respond how I want.

[Cin]

Christiains...well...they would probably feel ignored. But Christians need to give an inch sometimes. In all honesty, the bible should never be taken as a set of rules, it should be taken as a set of guidlines and morals to live by, if taken at all. Christians might take offense to it...but SERIOUSLY, how will gay marriage affect the christian faith? You said "it's an insult to their religion". Well, half the stuff that people do these days are an insult. The American way of life is an insult to dozens of other religions, yet we feel perfectly comfortable and content with the way we are. We are free to do what we want, we are happy, and we believe that life should be lived the American way. To say that gays shouldn't be able to live like americans do (Free and able to say and do what they feel), for the fact that it'd insult christianity is like saying America should bomb itself off the face of the earth for insulting the Islamic views.

[Alice]

Yeah well in God's eyes marriage isn't between a man and a man or a woman and a woman. So how could the have something that is ho;y and God pleasing if God says to do the opposite? Really this is an old joke but God created Adam and Eve not Adam and Steve. I'm sorry I just had to get that out there. It was bugging me that nobody had said that yet.
Oh, so incest is perfectly fine, yet homosexual marriages aren't. :\ You know, I thought there was something in the Bible's writings that goes against incest as well.

[Cin]

Oh, so incest is perfectly fine, yet homosexual marriages aren't. :\ You know, I thought there was something in the Bible's writings that goes against incest as well.

Wow...I was about to post that...but you beat me to it...XD

[shadowjak]

Oh, so incest is perfectly fine, yet homosexual marriages aren't. :\ You know, I thought there was something in the Bible's writings that goes against incest as well.

Incest? Adam and Eve weren't related... Congratulations, I now consider your opinion nul.

[Cin]

Incest? Adam and Eve weren't related... Congratulations, I now consider your opinion nul.

Yes...but their kids were...were they not?

[HOSPITAL, STAT!]

Er no Cin, their kids were not incest.

[shadowjak]

Yes...but their kids were...were they not?

Depends how you look at it. If youl ook at it like that then we're all related and we're all incest everytime we have sex.

Look, they're kids needed to do incest to create the human race. And since god needed them to do that, I'm pretty sure he looked past it.

[Alice]

Er no Cin, their kids were not incest.

How does that work out then...?

Look, they're kids needed to do incest to create the human race. And since god needed them to do that, I'm pretty sure he looked past it.
I'm agnostic anyway, so I won't touch the subject. I suppose if you're Christian you can botch it to sound passable...

[HOSPITAL, STAT!]

How does that work out then...?

Oh my god XD I was looking at it the wrong way~ my bad.

EDIT: Er no, I take that back. I just went and read my Bible just to double check.

Adam and Eve had 2 sons, Abel and Cain. Cain killed Abel, then God banished Cain to the land of Wandering, something like that. In the next phrase it just says he has a wife, who just kinda pops out from no where. So...we don't know if that's his sister or not, since it was never mentioned Eve bore a daughter.

...Okay I am suddenly SO confused.

[Darkwing Duck]

Christiains...well...they would probably feel ignored. But Christians need to give an inch sometimes. In all honesty, the bible should never be taken as a set of rules, it should be taken as a set of guidlines and morals to live by, if taken at all. Christians might take offense to it...but SERIOUSLY, how will gay marriage affect the christian faith? You said "it's an insult to their religion". Well, half the stuff that people do these days are an insult. The American way of life is an insult to dozens of other religions, yet we feel perfectly comfortable and content with the way we are. We are free to do what we want, we are happy, and we believe that life should be lived the American way. To say that gays shouldn't be able to live like americans do (Free and able to say and do what they feel), for the fact that it'd insult christianity is like saying America should bomb itself off the face of the earth for insulting the Islamic views.

People judge one another in the principles of the Bible, but the Bible was written by men to dominate over others by saying God spoke to them. Shouldn't the Bible be a work in progress? What worked 2000 years ago is certainly not going to work today.

In reality the Bible men sought to control by putting fear into others. In this they saw herd-conformity, where many are lead by a leader, having false hopes. If people learned to think as individual and free their minds from guilt feelings when it comes to same-sex sex, we wouldn't have so many unhappy gay men;

By the way, I'm not trying to offend christians.(If I did then I apologize) I do believe in god. But I tend to try not to forget that during those ages (2000-500 years ago, bible being written and changed), the church kinda controlled everything. And didn't they decid wether people go to hell or not, by the amount of money given to them? :rolleyes: Eh, it was even written that if you masturbate your eyes would bleed. ( Anyone who laughs at this in an imature way definitely doesn't deserve to be debating about this right now)

[Alice]

Oh my god XD I was looking at it the wrong way~ my bad.
I see what you mean. Yeah, when I made that statement in Roxma's quote I was referring to their offspring.

Depends how you look at it. If youl ook at it like that then we're all related and we're all incest everytime we have sex.
After a while the genetic relations become so loose you just can't consider it to be incest. Most people mark this at a range outside of cousins. I know it sounds like a desperate answer, but it's rather logical if you think about it.

Eh, it was even written that if you masturbate your eyes would bleed.
And/or be blinded. Hairy palms as well.

[Darkwing Duck]

And/or be blinded. Hairy palms as well.

Woops, I meant become blind not your eyes would bleed.
Thanks for correcting that.

(Or I think it was both. I have a fuzzy memory so I can't really remember xD)

[The Great Gatz]

This thread has just become a debate about what the bible says and how people interpret it.

[Darkwing Duck]

This thread has just become a debate about what the bible says and how people interpret it.


Eh, you're right xD
And we shouldn't have even brought religion into this >.>

[The Great Gatz]

Eh, you're right xD
And we shouldn't have even brought religion into this >.>

Well the thing is that is some people's explanation for being against so I guess it was inevitable.

[Zandyne]

*I had school so this reply is PRETTY LATE*

How did I contradict myself? By saying they would make a big deal about it. And the thing is some people say yeah i doesn't bother me as long as I don't have to witness it. Well they're gonna have to. If gay is allowed then we'll never hear the end of it. Well if they're all like ha we're getting married and there's nothing you can do to stop us. That'll be the day America dies. Don't get me wrong I have nothing wrong with homosexuals being together and living together. But you already know my views on gay marriage so I wont repeat myself. But if you think about what churches would allow same-sex marriage to happen in their building.

I don't know where to start on how unintelligent that part was. The thing isn't whether or not I make a big deal it's if homosexuals do. And if I wanna make me point maybe I need to go over the top but I don't want to. And really what would be wrong with them moving up to Canada it's a beautiful place and gay marriage is legal there so I mean why not. If you really love somebody you would go how ever far you have to to get married to them so you could spend the rest of your lives together.

I bet if everybody in this thread was against gay marriage you would be too. You seem like one of those people that don't have their own opinions they just steal others. Same goes for a few others here. They are just gutless and I don't care what it takes I will never give up. I don't care if others think I have lost I will just come back stronger and stronger every time. I will never be silenced!

Hey, just a little information, that IS my opinion, I'm sticking by it and if anyone has any opinions based on others, ITS YOU, WHO'S STICKING TO THE BIBLE AS THEIR MAIN DEFENSE (a majority of your posts aslo revolve around it being 'wrong' and saying that as long as they aren't near you you're fine and then you claim you're not homophobic as well as they you don't like their 'arrogance' in their sexuality which I persoanlly have never SEEN, so yes you have contradicted yourself). That and do you get off making such unfounded claims? I've stood by my opinion BASED ON what I have seen and I will stand by it no matter what! By the way, you just made a direct attack on me by calling me gutless. Way to be a hypocrite when it comes to "OH PEOPLE ATTACK ME BECAUSE OF MY OPINION!!!" nice job. But I digress.

How was I unintelligent in stating that you sounded like you were making a big deal, last I checked you people considered SATAN a VERY BIG DEAL. You say "make no big deal of it" then you tell people to MOVE TO CANADA as your solution?! That sounds rather unintelligent there. What if they don't want to move to Canada, WHAT IF THEY CAN'T? Not everyone has the funding to do so, nor the ability and that's not even the main point! They have as much a right to be in this country as your or me or any other CITIZEN. Of course, if I wanted to be REALLY technical, I could suggest the same half-baked solution to you, you don't like it here in the US with the prospects of gay unity/marriage? Well then YOU SHOULD MOVE YOURSELF! See, not much of a solution is it? Or if I really wanted to be harsh, I would say "y'all should just wait until you die cause in your heaven with God there won't 'be' any homosexuals up there, so why are you causing them grief now?"


And in reference for the thread itself most recently, it became an off-topic when the Bible was referenced even more as an arguement. Hence why there're so many tangents. Come to think of it, does anything aside from the Bible (and people who study the Bible or those who're homophobic) who really have anything against gay unity/marriage? :\

[The Great Gatz]

This for sure is the last time for sure I'm posting here. I don't care where it goes now. I'm not admitting defeat it's just getting so boring. I just feel there's too much hate in this thread and some people don't try to understand what I'm telling them. But this debate will suffer with one side so somebody might as well close it. One of my friends always debated about social security. And now she doesn't want to even hear that word anymore. Same thing here. Yall already know my point of view on this so I wont repeat myself. (Now you may insult me as much as you want):D:D:D I love you all. And on a parting note for the record I am in no way sexist, racist, or homophobic in any way. I am also not in the KKK. As some of you may believe. Good bye and may a mod please close this thread?

[Dracoslythe]

Roxmas, quit saying you're leaving because obviously you're not. That's the 3rd time that I've seen in this thread that you said you were leaving. Anyway, I've never hated you Roxmas. I just think it's wrong that Christians want to be so close to God and do what's right, but yet they still judge people WHICH IS A SIN. Only God can judge. You are sinning right there. You're living a sin as we speak.