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PAW
06-24-2007, 01:27 AM
I believe humans are probably the worst type of animal on the planet (On a whole), the reasons are:
They care only about their own needs.
They destroy other species for more space they don't need.
They destroy their home (Earth) so their lives can be easier.
They pervate nature with experiments.

I am not part of one of those groups that tries to stop people having kids and eradicating the human species.
I will be surprised if anyone agrees with me that isn't in one of those groups.

Vincent_Valentine
06-24-2007, 01:31 AM
I agree and I'm not in one of those groups......

RoxasNoxas
06-24-2007, 01:34 AM
You're pretty much correct. Just look what sin has done to humanity.

Cin
06-24-2007, 01:39 AM
All I can say is:

Humans are the only good, and the only bad.

White_Rook
06-24-2007, 01:40 AM
I wouldn't say "worst animal" per se. The animal Kingdom acts promarily on nature and humans grew out of most of their natural instinct a good while ago. Yes it's still in us to be aggressive, and naturally care for our well-being but I think there's more to it. Yes deep down we only care for ourselves, but so does every other animal as self-preservation is part of instinct. But I wouldn't say we're completely selfish and "evil".

For starters most animals can kill their own young and members of their clan, etc. without thinking once. People have the conscience and empathy towards others and are able to put others before themselves at times. Yes you can argue that deep down that the difference between an altruist and egoist can't be determined. but that's an entirely different subject altogether.

As for killing otehr species and taking up space and polluting, that's a given. For years we've done a lot things without truly thinking about how they affected the wildlife and environment. We're a lot more self-conscious today-- at times where it even reaches great level of annoyance-- and are continuing to push forth the effort to right some of the past mistakes. As for the the expanding population, which will prove a problem in the near future, there's always hope that a balance will be achieved. Whether or not it will be natural will be up for time to tell.

And what's with all this "sin" business? for as intelligent a species we claim ourselve to be, we're really just stupid.

Anderson
06-24-2007, 01:45 AM
It depends on how you look at humans. We are, in a way, morally bad because of the things we do for ourselves. We kill each other, we destroy land, we create corruption in the world.

However, if you look at it in the philisophical perspective, we are like any other animal species on the planet. We find a way to live for ourselves, sometimes on our own instinct. We kill each other in means of pride, superiority, or arguement.

I don't really know how to answer the question with a yes or no.

Kroshanks
06-24-2007, 01:49 AM
You can't judge an entire race by the actions of the arrogant.If you do,eventually,you can become arrogant yourself.

IcyKitty
06-24-2007, 02:03 AM
id very much like to have the influence to make people have no more than 1-2 kids buuut... its doubtful xD

@la sofa: u have the same view as my parents, and personally, i think its selfish to think were better.

nature [or god] didnt make us so wed destroy the earth, which is what were doing. oh well.

if we remained simple farmers as we were 10,000 years ago, there would be no problem =3

La Sofa
06-24-2007, 02:08 AM
id very much like to have the influence to make people have no more than 1-2 kids buuut... its doubtful xD

@la sofa: u have the same view as my parents, and personally, i think its selfish to think were better.

nature [or god] didnt make us so wed destroy the earth, which is what were doing. oh well.

if we remained simple farmers as we were 10,000 years ago, there would be no problem =3

Its not like I don't care for aniamls. I am saying. In the matter of death or Choas, that we should before if its that reasoning.

IcyKitty
06-24-2007, 02:17 AM
Its not like I don't care for aniamls. I am saying. In the matter of death or Choas, that we should before if its that reasoning.

sure. tho i disagree =3

PAW
06-24-2007, 02:26 AM
We come before animals, thats why we sometimes eat, destory, and kill nature/animals.

Your right about one thing, I'm giving to much credit to Humans they don't even have the basic instincts of animals.

If there was a chicken about to fall off a edge, and there is human about to fall off on he other side. Which would you save?

I would chose the chicken, to many humans in the world anyway.

You can't judge an entire race by the actions of the arrogant.If you do,eventually,you can become arrogant yourself.

I am quite arrogant at times, but you would have to admit that every human has/will be/is arrogant in their time, on purpose knowing what they are doing.

IcyKitty
06-24-2007, 02:35 AM
Your right about one thing, I'm giving to much credit to Humans they don't even have the basic instincts of animals.



I would chose the chicken, to many humans in the world anyway.



I am quite arrogant at times, but you would have to admit that every human has/will be/is arrogant in their time, on purpose knowing what they are doing.

agreed. we lost the ability to actually exist on instinct.

human arrogance reinforced with his ability to technology is a bad combination

La Sofa
06-24-2007, 02:38 AM
Your right about one thing, I'm giving to much credit to Humans they don't even have the basic instincts of animals.



I would chose the chicken, to many humans in the world anyway.



I am quite arrogant at times, but you would have to admit that every human has/will be/is arrogant in their time, on purpose knowing what they are doing.

ALRGIHT! I take it back! I care too much for humans.

Cin
06-24-2007, 02:40 AM
To put more meat into my point, (I couldn't before because I was a bit to busy too), humans are the only good and the only bad, because without humans there we be no good an evil.

We humans are complicated, and the only reason we are what we are today is either because of arroagnce or curiosity. Thinking about it now, you can tell that everything in history has either happened due to human arrogance, ignorance, or curiosity. Though curiosity can most likely be defined as arroagnce and ignorance in itself. Anything GOOD, as happene because humans were curious, arrogant, or ignorant. Anything BAD, was created due to the same things.

Humans have done so many good things for this planet, we really have, you just need to stop looking at the bad for two fricken seconds and look at the good things. A majority of humans are good people, nice people, people that want to help others and help the world and blah blah blah. Well, that's boring, there's so many good people, the very few people that are actually "bad" or evil are the ones that stand out because they don't come along as often.

In the end, every human has the potential to go both ways: They can be good, or they can be bad. Instead of sitting back and wondering wther or not the entire human race is evil, we should all be concentrating on the things that humans can do to stop what we've already done. Humans were curious and arrogant, and because of the good and the bad things we've done, we know what's right and what's wrong, and as an entire race of people, despite what the media and what your own thoughts can tell you, we are trying with all our might to to fix what we have done, and continue to progress into the future. The worst animal? Hell no. The best animal? **** yes.

We're the BEST animal in, because we're the only animal capable of not only killing every other animal, but saving every other animal. With our intlligence comes great power, but we're smart enough in this day and age to use that power for the right reasons and the right causes.

mixt
06-24-2007, 02:51 AM
A lot of the things you have come from long term observations. That doesn't neccesarily show evil, just that we're more idiotic than we think.

Jebus
06-24-2007, 05:07 AM
Aright, let's get it straight... there is no such thing as good or evil, as it is a man made concept in order to more easily understand certain ideas. Instead, we can only see what is disadventagous to others, and adventagous to others, or vice-cersa.

We, as animals, use whatever means necessary to make sure our needs or wants become reality. Therefore, we are not "bad' when we pollute. We are only as bad as the fox who eats the rabbit. The fox was hungry, and we wanted to live comfortably, so we both did what we had to do to make that a reality. Overall, humans are not bad, we are just using our knowledge in ways that is not benfecial to the planet as a whole.

Spitfire
06-24-2007, 05:20 AM
It is impossible to define a human as good or evil, we are no better than any other animal that is alive. We kill to eat and survive just like every other species and there is not getting around that idea. As for how we live that is a different story, we do not need half the stuff we have but just as cin said, our curosity we decided to go forth and make life easier and more convinent for everyone else.

That is both a gift and a curse in itself, because of what we have done to the planet as a whole, we have both helped and hurt it. So to say that human can be classified as good or bad is obsurd. We are just trying to live life and although the way we go about it maybe worng, we are not different from a hungry lion. Just our actions are different.

Zexion of the Twilight
06-24-2007, 05:59 AM
Humans are, generally, not good nor evil. We are mere beings with more potentcial then the other beasts we call "animals" We have more than just instinct to govern our own lives. Everyone who classifies good and evil are crazy, humans are only insane. If we could peer into how animals percieve us, they'd think we're weird for building cities and watching T.V. just as we think it's weird for dogs to sniff each other's butts. We call this potentcial and insanity "intellect." Think, if it weren't for intellect, there'd be no racism or friendship. No rapes or romances. No murders or saviors. We'd be only simple beings who know how to eat, sleep, reproduce, and die. We see this as crazy, but they'd probably see us as crazy too.

I digress, but I'll give it to you straight: The entire human race is crazy.

8730
06-24-2007, 10:18 AM
About destroying the planet, we didn't do that on purpose. Factories and cars weren't built for the sole purpose of polluting the land, sea, and sky. They were created as part of the Industrial Revolution. Back then through ignorance we couldn't see the effect we were having on the planet. Now that we do see it we are doing things to try and fix it. I fail to see how that is evil.

Also, comparing us to animals is strange. We have sentience (sp?) therefore, most of time, we aren't acting off of basic instincts like animals. Therefore, we have the choice, we can think about the ethical and moral implications of our actions. Animals do not have this choice. Ugh, my mind always blanks half way through posts, I may have more later.............

PAW
06-24-2007, 05:22 PM
About pollution, Even thogh we didn't know it was bad for the planet back then, But still we don't stop using it and many don't care.

Deathspank
06-24-2007, 11:24 PM
My opinion... our sophistication and necessity for everything to be convenient to ourselves has led to the downfall of all species on this planet. Mankind was the worst thing that ever happened to Earth.

Roxas
06-24-2007, 11:33 PM
I don't think humans are good. I mean all we do is laze around and watch TV and have sex and stuff. It's really fun but it's destroying our world.

Banana Split
06-25-2007, 02:08 AM
It depends how you look at it. Someone could think destroying a rainforest to make a shelter for starving children: would be a bad thing for the rainforest. While others think that the shelter is a good thing and it'll help people.

Good and bad, on your point of view IMO.

shadowjak
06-25-2007, 02:11 AM
Humans are the most dangerous creatures on the planet due to the fact they can think, plan, deceive, hurt, and create. However, humans are also the only beings that can fully discover this universe and build up this planet to it's potential, and possibley save it from things such as global warming and delay it's destruction fro mthe sun going supernova. Humans may be dangerous, but their not evil. They just need to learn to put away the betrayl and the hate. Humans are the only beings that can build up this universe to something even more spectacular than what it is.

stevik7
06-25-2007, 03:21 AM
yeah it depends on how you look at it.. we have disrupted the natural flow of adaptation, genetic makeup, habitat and sometimes niches of many species. And as for ourselves we have stopped our own evolutionary progress by taking care of the sick. In theory they should be left to die so the genes in the people who have survived can move as a progression. I do not by any mean intend to state that the theory of evolution is a fact. For all we know out behavior be just the way it was meant to be and something in the future will find a way to keep out output in check just as the lion keeps the gazelle population in check....who knows one can only speculate...

PAW
06-25-2007, 04:02 PM
My opinion... our sophistication and necessity for everything to be convenient to ourselves has led to the downfall of all species on this planet. Mankind was the worst thing that ever happened to Earth.

That is exactly the point I am trying to get across, in the long runs humans are complete idiots.

Humans are also the only beings that can fully discover this universe and build up this planet to it's potential, and possibly save it from things such as global warming and delay it's destruction from the sun going supernova.

The problem is humans try to defy their death, that might be instinct but they can not defy nature. Not to mention they started global warming and even now they try as little as possible to stop it.

Ienzo
07-04-2007, 08:18 PM
Humans are the cleverest thing on the planet yet we do disturb the other species and destroy everything. We are masters of destruction because we test on animals- we destroy habitats so we can build stuff for ourselves. We are also the greediest I think.

PAW
07-04-2007, 08:22 PM
Very true Ienzo.

And I am saying this to everyone I am not saying that humans are the stupidest animal on the planet just the worse.

Xemnas7355
07-05-2007, 12:04 AM
Wow i don't think there is a more complicated question..... It really depends on your point of view though. Excecuting a criminal for instance can be seen as good for destroying a dangerous threat, but bad because we are destroying one another.. Point of View thing!

justmeh
07-05-2007, 12:28 AM
Good and evil are just differences of opinion. What context are we talking about?

The Great Gatz
07-06-2007, 11:18 PM
I believe that humans are truly good but sometimes they just get misguided.

Blademaster Mai'kel
07-07-2007, 12:16 AM
To ourselves? Depends on opinion of others.
To the environment? NO. Absolutely not.

orgXIIIfan
07-07-2007, 03:03 AM
Well...I think we are evil!We are destroying the habitats of endangered animals and aborogines(orang asli in malay). We are also getting lazier now that there is technology.

We are harming Mother Earth by using too much CFC's and using too much plastic bags! We burn and burn our rubbish!We should recycle them instead! My country is encouraging us to use our own bags and use Solar energy as an alternative.

We are only asking for global warming because mist of us S;poreans are willing to pay 10c for buying plastic bags. Indonesian islands are disappearing,the ice caps are melting and there is freak weather.

We should encourage people to recycle and do our part to save Mother Earth.

Amethyst Grave
07-08-2007, 04:11 PM
Humans in general arent good... But the answer really depends on the individual.

dandanrevolutionextreme
07-26-2007, 08:41 PM
I believe humans are probably the worst type of animal on the planet (On a whole), the reasons are:
They care only about their own needs.
They destroy other species for more space they don't need.
They destroy their home (Earth) so their lives can be easier.
They pervate nature with experiments.

dam straight....(not in that group)

Random Angel
07-26-2007, 08:48 PM
Humans in general arent good... But the answer really depends on the individual.

i agree the mojiortiy of humans are like how you say but not all are

Ienzo
07-26-2007, 09:08 PM
Humans do good but bad can come of it and vise versa. I think humans are neutral- we do both good and bad, it's just the individual but look! Humans are destroying the world!

PAW
07-26-2007, 11:18 PM
This is probably one of the only threads that loads of people have agreed with me, but back to subject.

I know that some humans do 'Good ' but if you take good and evil out of the equation then humans would be actually defiling their instincts as creatures.

Keyblade_of_Nobody
07-27-2007, 12:21 AM
So what are you, then? French?
Anyways, all other animals do the exact same things, just on a smaller level and you don't know it.

Repliku
07-27-2007, 12:46 AM
Humans are neither good or bad. Good or bad depends on the circumstance and what is considered 'beneficial' to who will decide the outcome. Humans are not evil on a whole, etc. These are 'human' coined terms that are all depending on what someone looking in thinks and are irrelevant. Some humans do things that are regrettable and can be considered 'bad' by most people. Others do not. Others do great deeds that benefit humanity and the world at large. Judging something as a whole unit is prejudice. It's like saying 'all blacks shoplift' or 'black males rape' or 'asians do great at math' or 'white men can't jump' or 'supremists are always white' or 'native americans are all operating casinos' etc. Instead of isolating one culture though, you take the whole thing.

I am curious though why if people feel 'Humans' are bad, why they aren't jumping off a bridge by now to stop being a member of it. Not that I am condoning suicide, but there's just something wrong with this. If you find yourself to be a decent person, then you should rationalize there are others out there who are also good people. Therefore, the whole of humanity cannot be 'bad' either. If you find yourself to be a person that is not what you would say is 'good' you can change it. The ability to change and adapt is humanity's greatest gift and perhaps it's time more people took advantage of it in a positive way.

PAW
07-27-2007, 08:57 PM
We are threatened nowadays because of being 'Good and Evil', we are told that if we are not 'Good' then we will be sent to a bad place or in the next life will live miserably, 'good and evil' was created through religion so that everyone who followed their relegion could be controlled easily.
And about the 'jumping off a bridge.', when has suicide helped anything at all?

Repliku
07-27-2007, 11:07 PM
We are threatened nowadays because of being 'Good and Evil', we are told that if we are not 'Good' then we will be sent to a bad place or in the next life will live miserably, 'good and evil' was created through religion so that everyone who followed their relegion could be controlled easily.
And about the 'jumping off a bridge.', when has suicide helped anything at all?

How are you threatened? If you don't believe in the religion, it means nothing. It's not like they now can do what they used to and stone you to death, burn you, drown you, or whatever it is they did with heretics back then. The worst most fanatics can do nowadays is tell you that you are going to hell and 'try' to scare people, oh and show up on news programs with dead eyes and smiley grins while saying that people against God are all going to die. Those are lunatics and they should be locked up. Good and Evil are coined terms humanity uses as what is productive or negative to a society and its people. In one area cannibalism is bad, and in another, it might have a purpose with burial rites. In one area spanking a kid is wrong and in another, it is a form of discipline. In one area, killing cows is evil but in another, it's top choice grade A steak on your plate.

The point of saying
I am curious though why if people feel 'Humans' are bad, why they aren't jumping off a bridge by now to stop being a member of it. Not that I am condoning suicide, but there's just something wrong with this.

is because I don't get why people ramble on about how evil and horrible humans are. How about instead saying 'some humans' and give others their due credit? Are you stuck in a loop that perpetually will only allow you to see the rotten stuff some people do and it makes you miss the positive things in life? That's really sad if that is the case. Isolating all humans and saying they are all bad or all good just makes no rational sense. For every rotten thing you name I could return with a positive action. Of course, I would be more inclined to say 'yeah, that does happen' from the list people who 'hate humanity' would do because I am neutral. I won't elevate one thing over the other. Would those who think humans are evil though see the good things others do if on a list? Doubting it. That is why I said it is prejudice.