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Mirai
08-19-2007, 06:31 PM
*taken from a Myspace thread made by a member named ..::[Free Your Mind]::..*

In the 12th century after the supposed birth of a man who may or may not have existed, may or may not have been capable of performing magic, and who was probably not white but is portrayed as a white man anyway, the Catholic church began a series of campaigns against pagans, non-Christians, and anybody else labeled as heretics for not agreeing with them, giving thousands of people a simple choice: convert or die. Others only got one choice: die.

In the middle of the 20th century, one man decided that some people did not have the same right to life as the rest of us, and argued that such a right should be strictly determined by whether or not a person belonged to a particular religion that he apparently had a strong distaste for. Unfortunately he argued this point very violently, with guns and gas chambers instead of words and logic (most likely because logic was not on his side). When he did take the time to express his views, he gave the following justifications: "I believe that I am acting in accordance with the will of the Almighty Creator: by defending myself against the Jew, I am fighting for the work of the Lord," and "My feelings as a Christian points me to my Lord and Savior as a fighter...how terrific was His fight for the world against the Jewish poison." Millions of innocent Jewish men, women, and children died because of a mere difference in opinion.

In the first year of the third millennium, nineteen Islamic extremists hijacked four commercial jet liners with the intent to crash them into prominent American buildings and send the world a message. Three planes hit their marks, while one was brought to the ground by a group of heroic passengers who sacrificed themselves to save many others. 2,974 people died, excluding the hijackers. Through the fire and smoke, the message was clear: the western world is not Muslim; the western world is filthy and dangerous; the western world must go.

Since that time, a small, but vocal, group of people who do not subscribe to any religious doctrine and do not believe in any supernatural force or being began to speak out about the potential dangers of religion. In addition to the obvious tragedies described above, religious fundamentalists had been trying for years to halt progress in science, education, health, and civil rights whenever it disagreed with them. In many cases, their legislation passed. For speaking out against this legislation, and trying to gain a little equality in a nation that considered them the least trustworthy out of all minorities for no particular reason aside from a lack of belief in things for which their is no evidence, these outspoken individuals were swiftly stamped with a label that they will not soon shake off: militant atheists.

Along with Richard Dawkins, Sam Harris, and hundreds of people who I have never met in person but still consider to be dear friends nonetheless, I am proud to declare myself a member of this group which has been so grossly mislabeled. The double standard is blatant and appalling. Consider how far a group of religious fundamentalists must go to be considered anything close to "militant," while we carry the same burden for simply being critical of those unsupported beliefs which are held dear by many people. The Catholic church was not militant until it literally launched a crusade to inflict violence upon those who did not agree with them. The Nazis were not militant until they opened the gas chambers and started marching innocent people inside with guns to their backs. Muslims are not militant until they flew planes into buildings and strapped bombs to their chests. And I was not militant until I opened my mouth and suggested that perhaps belief in God is not the most healthy thing for society.

I have no doubt why such a blatant double-standard exists: in establishing such a double-standard, religious moderates have strengthened the previously existing taboo against critically examining religious belief. For executing my own critical examinations, it was recently suggested to me that I am "at least as dangerous as any religious fundamentalist." I have never been violent towards those who disagree with me. I have never tried to force or even suggested legislation that would make society conform to my own beliefs regarding the dangers of religion. I have simply had an unpopular opinion that I am not in the least bit uncomfortable in expressing; an opinion that is apparently somehow inherently "just as dangerous" as murder by the simply act of mere utterance.

Unfortunately, as long as this taboo exists, the double-standard will survive. I can only hope that people will eventually come to realize that religious beliefs are ideas, and like any other ideas, they are subject to criticism. All ideas should be closely examined and criticized, whether they are your's, mine, or anybody else's. That is how society progresses. We did not collectively accept that the Earth is round by trying not to offend the overly-sensitive people who preferred to believe otherwise. But somewhere along the line we decided that it is impolite to to critically examine belief in God like we did with the belief of a flat Earth. Critical thinking is how we gain knowledge, and until we can get past the delusion that verbally expressing distaste for religion is on par with crashing airplanes into buildings, I'm sorry to say that progress will be slow indeed.

I really like this message, but apparently, the R&Pers at Myspace are too lazy to read.

Discuss what you think about this.

Personally, I think it's very true. Where demonized for having an opinion by some, yet they shrug off the crusades.

Cin
08-19-2007, 07:22 PM
Atheism is a generally new belief and idea, christianity has been around a very long time. Whoever wrote that whole thing, they said it themselves. Every new idea must suffer critisism and trials before it can be properly accepted. To say it's unfair that atheism is questioned, and to say that it should be the other way around, like they were saying, is hypocritical. I'll admit, they have a point, but I don't think they realize that what they're saying attempts to take away the right to be saying what they're saying.

Mirai
08-19-2007, 08:49 PM
Atheism is a generally new belief and idea, christianity has been around a very long time. Whoever wrote that whole thing, they said it themselves. Every new idea must suffer critisism and trials before it can be properly accepted. To say it's unfair that atheism is questioned, and to say that it should be the other way around, like they were saying, is hypocritical. I'll admit, they have a point, but I don't think they realize that what they're saying attempts to take away the right to be saying what they're saying.

He's not saying that atheism shouldn't be questioned. He's saying it shouldn't be demonized and hated.

Repliku
08-19-2007, 08:53 PM
That was a very interesting read and I do have to agree that there is a serious double-standard going on not just for Atheists but anyone not of monotheistic faith. Also, the monotheistic faiths cannot agree and call each other out constantly declaring that they have the 'real' God and the others are evil representations, worshiping the devil. I am Zen Buddhist and have faced serious scrutiny, been told I am going to Hell, and told I am a blasphemer and that I am out to disprove God's existence and lumped with Atheists. In the end, I do not suppose I mind being tossed in with Atheists since they are not 'militant' and fundamentalist Christians are just scary people that can look at you with weird gazes and grins and tell you that you will suffer eternally.

Fortunately though, even as people use 'God' as a reason to fight and slaughter others still, it is not like the old days where saying you were of a belief or not of any could get you in your neighborhood stoned to death. We have an amount of protection due to the right of freedom of religion and that includes the right to believe in anything or nothing at all, and for that, I am grateful. It is one thing to hear the words or watch these nutcracks on TV spew out rotten messages and another to live in fear hiding beliefs, thoughts etc. Though we may be questioned for science, ridiculed by the majority etc, at least we can still endure and hopefully the fact that 'ideas' are just that will someday hit the fundies of any religion. There are many people out there that do not wish to cause violence, tell others they are going to hell etc.

To me, this is one thing people must face from fundamentalists of any sort. We also still are dealing with such issues as racism and gender bias which have the majority of people tolerating and learning acceptance, but there are those who are still zealous on either side of the fence. The extremists are annoying of any cause but at the same time, they can be the people that help push society in more positive directions. They cause change in people that would be ignorant otherwise, whether they are doing something really hideous or tremendous. We have a long way to go to get rid of double-standards in so many ways in society but if we keep working for it, these problems can be alleviated if not banished.

Cin
08-19-2007, 09:35 PM
He's not saying that atheism shouldn't be questioned. He's saying it shouldn't be demonized and hated.

Even if that's what he's saying, how can he expect it not to be demonized and hated? Atheists are the the exact thing that christians hate, sinners that refuse to believe they are what they are.

Repliku
08-20-2007, 05:22 AM
Even if that's what he's saying, how can he expect it not to be demonized and hated? Atheists are the the exact thing that christians hate, sinners that refuse to believe they are what they are.


In the end, Atheists and anyone of any other religion than Christianity are going to be demonized and hated by fanatical Christians. To not do so is for them to sin and absolute blind ignorant faith is their focal point. So let them scorn and use the 'martyr card' and just laugh and move on. It's not like the old days where they could 'burn the witch' fortunately. The worst things that they do now are trying to govern how we act in our homes, our sexualities, what games we play, what books we read, whether we can dress how we want, etc. These things we can fight for more peacefully than some of them want by using the government rights we have, just as they do. Let's be grateful.

Cin
08-20-2007, 06:10 PM
In the end, Atheists and anyone of any other religion than Christianity are going to be demonized and hated by fanatical Christians. To not do so is for them to sin and absolute blind ignorant faith is their focal point. So let them scorn and use the 'martyr card' and just laugh and move on. It's not like the old days where they could 'burn the witch' fortunately. The worst things that they do now are trying to govern how we act in our homes, our sexualities, what games we play, what books we read, whether we can dress how we want, etc. These things we can fight for more peacefully than some of them want by using the government rights we have, just as they do. Let's be grateful.

Exactly, I don't quite get how people feel they can complain these days, things are FAR better then they used to be. Especially in cases like religious acceptence.