View Full Version : Christianity, inflated myth? (Atheists = Christians and Christians = Atheists?)
Darkwatch
09-04-2007, 05:09 AM
Recently I've been talking to my mom who's a HUGE philosophy major and she was talking about this certain topic.
Christians, while major disapproving of Darwinism and Evolution, have many fears. They are in fact, philosophically the exact same thing as Evolution and Darwin. A person who thrives to drive forward in search of something greater (in this case, the allegory "truth"). This in fact scares most Christians, driving them to try as much as they can to disapprove evolution. By using rational and physical evidence, many scientists and evolutionists can prove MANY, MANY things about the earth that are believed to be true. However, this also applies to Christians. They drive forward, in great search of truth and salvation, also using rational and logical proof to show that God exists.
Often times I hear Christians say "WE'RE HERE TO SAVE YOU AND PROVE TO YOU GOD EXISTS" (exaggerated). First of all, you're no better than any Atheist in existance. Using 'proof' to make you seem correct. As if you have proof? God is a figure of knowledge, prosperity and wisdom. In no way can a person DESCRIBE God. For all you know, he's towers high. A familiar example of this is Pigs. What if pigs had a pig god? Would that pig be huge or small? No one would know because they'd have to wait and find out AFTER.DEATH. There's a difference between acting like you know, knowing, and telling people the truth.
Now. Atheists, too, are in the wrong. Both sides of these groups have the exact same problem. Like I said, they use 'proof' and 'evidence' to show they are right. While Evolution seems to be right with it's proof that is actually physical, there's no reason to shun the possibility of God's existence, as many of you know. Jesus was said to be a human, but looking at the real evidence one can easily say he never lived. This 'evidence' is what makes atheists look just like Christians. They proclaim they are constantly correct when in fact they have no clue what they are talking about.
Moving onto another topic, faith. Faith is not "I believe so I am saved". No. That is not it. Christianity does not have to demand evidence of God if it has faith. Believing, knowing and having faith are COMPLETELY different. Having faith is the ability to cast your life in danger and even to possible death, knowing that you think you're correct (in your opinion). Faith does not require evidence, you Christians. Stop proving God's existence. If you're loyal to God and want to show him you care, don't praise, don't worship, don't offer. Just live. The thing is, is that you can't believe in yourself that you are 100% correct, be a good Christian and don't argue.
Again, Atheists argue with Christians on the debate of "IT'S NOT REAL". A true Christian, IMO, would never argue with the power of the lord. Instead he would say "I don't want to argue. I don't know what is out there, I'm not dead. I just have faith and believe that there is something."
Let the discussion begin!
The_King
09-04-2007, 05:19 AM
Wow...just...wow. You claim to NOT be a bigot, now? And that "Be a good christian and don't argue" thing? I'm just saying that once a group of christians see this, you'll probably get flamed like there is NO tomorrow, friend.
Christians have no reason to fight, athiests do. Athiests are trying to disprove religion so that we can make our lives better and easier while we're alive. It's a sad existence for athiests because we believe that when you die your conciousness is erased from existence. Although we don't know this to be truth, we have faith that not believing in god is the simple truth. And because of that we fight to rid the world of religion and make sure that the world is peaceful and wonderful before we disappear. Everyone wants happiness and salvation like you said Darky, and while christians wait for death to find that happiness, Athiests feel a need to create it on earth.
Really, christians have a right to fight and defend their religion, but any true christian wouldn't care what athiests do or say and would worry about themselves. Some may call this selfishness. And I'm not saying christians are selfish, but the christian view can seem it if they don't go out and try to spread the word. They want to disprove athiesm to save their fellow humans, lest they come off as selfish prats.
Everyone is good at heart, we're all fighting to help the people we're fighting. In the end it'll be an endless cycle until the end of humans, because no one can prove or disprove. We are all just people, looking for something bigger and stronger, and we're trying to take those we love with us. To say that christians are ignorant and idiotic is ignorant and idiotic, but wholly for the good of the planet. To call an athiest a sinner and an evil person is a horrible insult, but you're trying to save their soul. Therefore we can see that religion causes wars over who is right because we want to save the other side from themselves. Human hatred = no. human love = yes.
You could almost say we hate each other because we love each other. O.o
Joseki
09-04-2007, 05:27 AM
The main idea of the Athiest is to rid the world of organized religeon so that they stop taking our untaxed $$$ and quit with the brain control of the populous. Its a pretty old gig =P
Darkwatch
09-04-2007, 05:33 AM
Wow...just...wow. You claim to NOT be a bigot, now? And that "Be a good christian and don't argue" thing? I'm just saying that once a group of christians see this, you'll probably get flamed like there is NO tomorrow, friend.
Do you even know what bigot means?
It's someone who is intolerant of another persons point of view.
Did I ever say Christianity was bull**** in my post? No. Did I say it a load of ****? No. I may think it is but I don't ravage around saying it is.
You are the bigot if anything, completely shunning MY point of view by calling ME the bigot.
Please note this is not a relevant post so don't respond to it. Just let it soak in.
The_King
09-04-2007, 05:47 AM
Do you even know what bigot means?
It's someone who is intolerant of another persons point of view.
Did I ever say Christianity was bull**** in my post? No. Did I say it a load of ****? No. I may think it is but I don't ravage around saying it is.
You are the bigot if anything, completely shunning MY point of view by calling ME the bigot.
Please note this is not a relevant post so don't respond to it. Just let it soak in.
I WILL reply, because the title alone claims you are referring to christianity as these things. That is what angers me. Why would I allow anything YOU say to quote-unquote, "soak in"? Honestly, I'm begining to think you people make these threads for the sole sake of insulting christianity, and in turn, christians as well. That is just bogus. I cannot even begin to comprehend what goes through your heads. But I do understand this: You clearly have some personal issues to work out.
Kiryu
09-04-2007, 05:49 AM
I WILL reply, because the title alone claims you are referring to christianity as these things. That is what angers me. Why would I allow anything YOU say to quote-unquote, "soak in"? Honestly, I'm begining to think you people make these threads for the sole sake of insulting christianity, and in turn, christians as well. That is just bogus. I cannot even begin to comprehend what goes through your heads. But I do understand this: You clearly have some personal issues to work out.
And I guess you clearly have issues on just letting people express their own opinions.
I WILL reply, because the title alone claims you are referring to christianity as these things. That is what angers me. Why would I allow anything YOU say to quote-unquote, "soak in"? Honestly, I'm begining to think you people make these threads for the sole sake of insulting christianity, and in turn, christians as well. That is just bogus. I cannot even begin to comprehend what goes through your heads. But I do understand this: You clearly have some personal issues to work out.
Roflmao....wow....just wow King. You obviously don't understand the meaning of debate. When people act stupid, and can't take a thread serious, then they don't belong here. If you can't share eachothers opinions, and talk about it without totally insulting someone like you do, then that person needs to go somewhere else. You don't believe in opinions, and therefore don't belong here.
The_King
09-04-2007, 05:51 AM
And I guess you clearly have issues on just letting people express their own opinions.
Ha. Let me guess: you went STRAIGHT to the bottom without even reading it?
Kiryu
09-04-2007, 05:53 AM
Ha. Let me guess: you went STRAIGHT to the bottom without even reading it?
Your post wasn't even worth my time to give you my opinion on the subject. Mostly due to the lack of maturarity you have shown on this thread.
The_King
09-04-2007, 05:58 AM
Your post wasn't even worth my time to give you my opinion on the subject. Mostly due to the lack of maturarity you have shown on this thread.
Once again, a personal shot. I agree that I did not show much maturity on my first post, but that's because there is something you peopke just don't don't seem to grasp. Sharing opinions and disproving religions are not the same thing. Why do you people not realize this? Saying, "I'm not a christian", I don't care. Saying "christianiy's a myth", on the other hand...look, guys, you have your beliefs, FINE. Don't attack mine.
Once again, a personal shot. I agree that I did not show much maturity on my first post, but that's because there is something you peopke just don't don't seem to grasp. Sharing opinions and disproving religions are not the same thing. Why do you people not realize this? Saying, "I'm not a christian", I don't care. Saying "christianiy's a myth", on the other hand...look, guys, you have your beliefs, FINE. Don't attack mine.
Dude, that's the same thing actually. :/ You say don't attack mine, but what the hell do you think you're doing? You want to prove that god is real, and they want to prove a way around it. I guess there are so many friggin religion threads, that people are starting to think attacking is going on. And they are probably right.
Darkwatch
09-04-2007, 06:04 AM
I WILL reply, because the title alone claims you are referring to christianity as these things. Uh yes. It was. This is not a "is it real or not" thread. It's a "discuss your opinions and MATURELY show consideration" kind of thread. I'm pretty sure you lack those important values.
That is what angers me. Why would I allow anything YOU say to quote-unquote, "soak in"? lol. Clearly you didn't grasp the concept I laid out for you.
Honestly, I'm begining to think you people make these threads for the sole sake of insulting christianity, and in turn, christians as well. uh, no. lol wtf. I'm actually have the utmost respect for people who give me respect. I'll respect you first, if you don't respect back, you get a harsh argument. One that obviously you, would misinterpret.
That is just bogus. I cannot even begin to comprehend what goes through your heads. But I do understand this: You clearly have some personal issues to work out.Lol define "personal issues" please.
The_King
09-04-2007, 06:05 AM
Dude, that's the same thing actually. :/ You say don't attack mine, but what the hell do you think you're doing? You want to prove that god is real, and they want to prove a way around it. I guess there are so many friggin religion threads, that people are starting to think attacking is going on. And they are probably right.
Have I said "Science is for tools" once in this thread?
(FYI: Stop cursing. It doesn't make you tough.)
Darkwatch
09-04-2007, 06:07 AM
Have I said "Science is for tools" once in this thread?
But you're fighting against something that's true. >_> Science is logical interpretation. Learn what that means.
(FYI: Stop cursing. It doesn't make you tough.)lol hai.
Have I said "Science is for tools" once in this thread?
(FYI: Stop cursing. It doesn't make you tough.)
Nope but you sure have proven that in other threads.>_>
FYI: No, because I say it if I want to. And dude, I wish you'll let go of your ego.
libregkd
09-04-2007, 06:56 AM
Wow...just...wow. You claim to NOT be a bigot, now? And that "Be a good christian and don't argue" thing? I'm just saying that once a group of christians see this, you'll probably get flamed like there is NO tomorrow, friend.
You know...its people like you who give Christians like me a bad name. -_-;
You completely ignore any opinions/comments that do not coincide with your viewpoints and label them as "Wrong" and "False."
Repliku
09-04-2007, 08:59 AM
This was a very interesting point you have made, Darkwatch aka Deathwatch to my dyslexic ADD brain. Very well spoken.
Atheists and Christians can be considered similar in a few ways as you pointed out. Both try to prove something exists and something else doesn't, though they are on opposite sides of the fence on what they try to prove or disprove.
Faith also is not a Christian term alone and the saying to 'take a leap of faith' describes the act of, despite the odds against you, taking a chance to accomplish something or believe in something. It does not mean that you should have 'blind faith' in a constant. There is a reason, a feeling for having faith, whether it is intuition, keen instinct, or some soul deep motivation. You can have faith to try to help a friend from committing suicide, making a jump over a ramp with your bike even though you've never done it before, taking a chance on asking some girl out despite the fact you've been unlucky for a year, etc.
Evidence is only in the end as important as we make it in our lives. To me, the evolution pattern is important as is history and cultural development, because it intrigues me. I am not an Atheist or a Christian and do not dismiss the notion that there are things out there I do not understand, but I simply do not call those things 'God'. What things I find to fill in the blanks to the answers of life, I am grateful and glad I can research things in life so. What I do not know, I do not dismiss it, but at the same time, I leave the question as an 'open-ended' inquiry by responding 'I do not know'.
Here are some quotes I live by:
Learning without thought is labor lost; thought without learning is perilous. - Confucius
“I know that I am intelligent, because I know that I know nothing.” - Socrates
“The unexamined life is not worth living.” - Socrates
We are given brains to use and explore, whether we believe in God or not. Those who took your words wrong, or Cin's for that matter, did not really choose to read to see the awesome comparison you did between really two extremes and how each side can take things too far.
The_King, perhaps if you actually read the whole post you would see what was being said. You are making Christians look very foolish now and fortunately no one who is Christian or not here is going to use you as an example except as a zealot fanatic that reads only what offends you and comments to it. Please try to read deeper and don't be so quick to judge.
Roxas is Hot
09-04-2007, 09:52 PM
Very well pointed out, DW. That must have taken a ton of brains to figure out. XD I agree with every post.
To everyone else though: I don't know about anyone else, but it seems that people are starting to get kind of aggressive here. Stop flaming one another (if you are) and start debating. -_-
Darkwatch
09-05-2007, 05:11 AM
Learning without thought is labor lost; thought without learning is perilous. - Confucius
“I know that I am intelligent, because I know that I know nothing.” - Socrates
“The unexamined life is not worth living.” - SocratesI completely agree with those quotes.
Another thing I'd like to point out is the platonic life-style that I mentioned earlier. Some Christians don't know/believe this, but the fact is we are still in the age of Plato to this day. Everyone views things on evidence rather than, the said "blind faith" in something. Very few philosophers in this day-and-age have started to go beyond the things that Socrates and Plato have created and thought of. Because during their time the things they thought of were beyond this world and are the basis of what shapes 95% of Christianity. In truth, Christians are almost pagans in some ways because of the philosophies they follow. lol (please no one flame me for that <_<)
I completely agree with those quotes.
Another thing I'd like to point out is the platonic life-style that I mentioned earlier. Some Christians don't know/believe this, but the fact is we are still in the age of Plato to this day. Everyone views things on evidence rather than, the said "blind faith" in something. Very few philosophers in this day-and-age have started to go beyond the things that Socrates and Plato have created and thought of. Because during their time the things they thought of were beyond this world and are the basis of what shapes 95% of Christianity. In truth, Christians are almost pagans in some ways because of the philosophies they follow. lol (please no one flame me for that <_<)
Well duh...XD
Dude, just look at Christmas. It used to be a pagaan holiday where men would gather and gives gifts to each other, get drunk and have sex...
>.>
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The only things that have changed about this world are the tools we use, the clothes we wear, and the way the demons of the world take their form.
Alpha Sonix
09-05-2007, 03:07 PM
America these days, spoilt people, of course I wouldn't blame them since they have a pysco president. It's turning into Atheists vs The World.
America these days, spoilt people, of course I wouldn't blame them since they have a pysco president. It's turning into Atheists vs The World.
I think you meant to say psycho... :P
And Americans are totally spoiled, but because of that we have the freedom and power to become atheists. XD
Joseki
09-06-2007, 07:28 PM
Heh, The_King should just post in every thread ever, it would make it vastly more interesting to read these threads, I love ignorant people, they're pure entertainment.
Well anyway King, saying that christianity is a myth isn't attacking you, its stating an opinion. If you dislike that opinion, ooooowellllll thats your **** to work out. =P
Also, you're egomaniacal, egocentric, conceded and stuck up. I'd work on those before posting anymore because it won't be welcomed with open arms.
White_Rook
09-07-2007, 06:39 PM
This right here should be used as a reference to stop someone whenever they get nagging desire to create a 'God Vs Science' debate.
Repliku
09-07-2007, 09:33 PM
America these days, spoilt people, of course I wouldn't blame them since they have a pysco president. It's turning into Atheists vs The World.
Our president happens to be a fundamental Christian, Kingdom-Fan. Why you made this comment, I cannot even fathom. It boggles the mind. He has gone so far as to more rally Christians to the causes by saying things religious to motivate his cause and most are the older people who can't even do anything but be armchair warriors. Atheists and others are not against the world. His war has nothing to do with Atheists. It has been brought about for a number of reasons, and being non-religious is certainly not one of them. Have you even seen the TV where he speaks out and says stuff about God and trying with some Islamic followers to show that their God isn't a different one?
Also, I disagree that Americans are spoiled anymore than Europeans are. If anything, some European countries have it better than we do. You get free eduction, health care and such, while we rack up loans for education that can be around 30k to 50k, which must be paid back, and health care costs are amazing. Children may get spoiled by things they can have but I fail to see what we have others don't. My dad worked 12 hour days constantly for 6 days a week. I have worked my butt off since 16 and always had a job since 12, even if it was babysitting and mowing lawns and delivering papers. Many people work at young ages to support themselves because parents can't always make as much money and both parents have to work. Kids are stuffed in daycares now. So some kids (which certainly wasn't me or a great number of others) get great toys, but as adults that all changes and reality sets in that we all have to get up and do hard labor. Especially since morons sent our jobs elsewhere and keep racking up the cost of living so that people can't even afford to live on their own with many of the jobs that are left, and they don't always get health care benefits.
What is implied here directly is that Americans are no more spoiled than any European country which has some things better and some things worse. No place is a Utopia and we don't just have it all easier. We all manage to have our problems with the governments we are in, people that try to dodge the systems of things and take the easy way etc. Give Americans a break. We aren't all stupid and lazy fat idiots that refuse to learn other languages, fail in school, and have no ambitions. Also, most atheists and people of other beliefs don't fall into the other negative connotations that people from other countries say. It'd be nice if people had actual proof of statements instead of making blanket calls of prejudice. There are some crappy Americans out there, but there are also some crappy Europeans and crappy Asians and crappy Africans etc. How about meeting some of us good people instead and changing that bias?
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DrMario64
09-07-2007, 11:59 PM
America these days, spoilt people
Racist comments FTL.
White_Rook
09-08-2007, 03:00 AM
Racist comments FTL.
Interesting how America is quite the multi-cultural country though. Granted it's not as multi-cultural as Canada, but it's still pretty multi-cultural. With that in mind racism wouldn't apply. A proper interpretation of that statement would be to have it refer to American/ north American culture-- everything is large and luxurious.
EvilMan_89
09-08-2007, 04:34 AM
i think this topic might offend someone, but that's just my opinion......
Invader Jack
09-08-2007, 04:52 AM
Alright, well here's my input: it is a well thought-out argument. I'll give you that. I am a Christian, but I can't exactly say I'm really offended by what you're saying, just concerned and saddened. I shall definitely start praying for you, because there is nothing more painful in this life than to have that hollow-like pain inside of you knowing God's not in your heart. Believe me when I say that I HAVE BEEN IN THAT SITUATION, and it is not at all a good feeling. I know you may scoff at me, but that is not going to stop me. Anyway, my point is, no, I'm not going to argue with Atheists and try to prove them wrong or anything like that, I'll just do my best to help them find Jesus, because like you said, we humans just want to assist each other as best we can. And one last thing, you can say whatever you want (because God gave us a wonderful gift of freedom of choice) to try silencing me, but I WILL NEVER, EVER STOP WORSHIPPING, PRAISING, OR LOVING MY GOD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Darkwatch
09-08-2007, 05:00 AM
Alright, well here's my input: it is a well thought-out argument. I'll give you that. I am a Christian, but I can't exactly say I'm really offended by what you're saying, just concerned and saddened. I shall definitely start praying for you, because there is nothing more painful in this life than to have that hollow-like pain inside of you knowing God's not in your heart. Believe me when I say that I HAVE BEEN IN THAT SITUATION, and it is not at all a good feeling. I know you may scoff at me, but that is not going to stop me. Anyway, my point is, no, I'm not going to argue with Atheists and try to prove them wrong or anything like that, I'll just do my best to help them find Jesus, because like you said, we humans just want to assist each other as best we can. And one last thing, you can say whatever you want (because God gave us a wonderful gift of freedom of choice) to try silencing me, but I WILL NEVER, EVER STOP WORSHIPPING, PRAISING, OR LOVING MY GOD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!I do appreciate your kindness, IJ.
It's not that I don't believe in God. I am not Atheist, mate. I actually do believe in a god. Just not your god, necessarily. I believe that God is definitely something, like a force that is driving towards success and developement, but I don't necessarily think he is much like us.
So, again, I believe in God, but only to an extent, as that is as much as I can interpret being just human. Limited knowledge is what I mean.
(Also, Jesus has and never will be in my heart; not to offend anyone, but I don't believe he ever existed. His life and the events that took place within it have been repeated throughout history by other saviors, ages before him. So please understand that). (:
Again, thank you for the answer. I can certainly tell you care. :3
Invader Jack
09-08-2007, 05:18 AM
I do appreciate your kindness, IJ.
It's not that I don't believe in God. I am not Atheist, mate. I actually do believe in a god. Just not your god, necessarily. I believe that God is definitely something, like a force that is driving towards success and developement, but I don't necessarily think he is much like us.
So, again, I believe in God, but only to an extent, as that is as much as I can interpret being just human. Limited knowledge is what I mean.
(Also, Jesus has and never will be in my heart; not to offend anyone, but I don't believe he ever existed. His life and the events that took place within it have been repeated throughout history by other saviors, ages before him. So please understand that). (:
Again, thank you for the answer. I can certain tell you care. :3
Oh, you're welcome. I'm glad you -for lack of a better word- enjoyed my comment. ^_^ And I'm not entirely sure how to respond to how you view God. I guess it's like...well, in the Bible it says He created us in His image, but on the other hand, we are far from being like him because He loves everybody no matter what happens and He is completely without flaws. No human could ever be like that. Lastly, I know you say you don't believe in Jesus, which doesn't offend me, it just, once again, saddens me. Even so, I will pray for you! Not to offend you... :)
Darkwatch
09-08-2007, 05:26 AM
Oh, you're welcome. I'm glad you -for lack of a better word- enjoyed my comment. ^_^ And I'm not entirely sure how to respond to how you view God. I guess it's like...well, in the Bible it says He created us in His image, but on the other hand, we are far from being like him because He loves everybody no matter what happens and He is completely without flaws.Well that's another thing that makes me not-quite Christian and not-quite Atheist. I love the idea that a 'being' created everything. But if you really look into the history of the religion no one really followed what he said, really. He says not to kill, but back in the times of the renaissance the Pope would kill armies to conquer cities. You see what I mean? I know you're Christian and you do believe in God, and it's great. I mean, we should all view it on how we think it is. And the fact people make the assumptions about who he is, like priests, pastors, missionaries, etc... You know what I mean. It's just a human-influenced religion that I'd rather not bother with. =P But hell, if you're as nice this way as you are in real life about it, you are sure impressive. I hardly ever meet a totally respective Christian such as yourself. And I'm not saying that most are that way, but a lot are. At least from personal experience.
No human could ever be like that. Lastly, I know you say you don't believe in Jesus, which doesn't offend me, it just, once again, saddens me. Even so, I will pray for you! Not to offend you... :)Well I'm a person of logical and evidential belief. I've seen the history of Jesus, the history of Moses, the history of Horus, etc.. The general history of many saviors. And I just have to come to some kind of conclusion that he as a person or as a messiah never existed. And I thank you for respecting that. =D And yes, I completely agree, no human could ever be as loving and as great as a god.
Invader Jack
09-08-2007, 05:40 AM
Well that's another thing that makes me not-quite Christian and not-quite Atheist. I love the idea that a 'being' created everything. But if you really look into the history of the religion no one really followed what he said, really. He says not to kill, but back in the times of the renaissance the Pope would kill armies to conquer cities. You see what I mean? I know you're Christian and you do believe in God, and it's great. I mean, we should all view it on how we think it is. And the fact people make the assumptions about who he is, like priests, pastors, missionaries, etc... You know what I mean. It's just a human-influenced religion that I'd rather not bother with. =P But hell, if you're as nice this way as you are in real life about it, you are sure impressive. I hardly ever meet a totally respective Christian such as yourself. And I'm not saying that most are that way, but a lot are. At least from personal experience.
Yeah, see, I really don't like the whole crusade thing either. It always bugs me. Whenever I find a Christian who inspires me, it's definitely not someone who goes and just kills off those who don't believe in God. That is totally the wrong way to handle things. And also, it's just plain murder in my opinion, and murder is one of those sins God just loathes. Heck, if one of those maniac-type Christians knew what I think about this whole thing, they'd probably want to kill me off too. But if you want to save the world from Satan, you don't send people to hell or something by killing them, but rather save them from it by talking things out and helping them to make a good choice. I'm most certainly not saying that you or anyone else here will go to hell, because only God is the judge of that, just to clear things up there. But anyway, thanks for saying I'm impressive. It really means a lot to me. I've just learned to really look at things through the perspective of others and try to understand why they have these opinions and not be overly aggressive when there is something I don't completely agree with.
Joseki
09-09-2007, 06:02 AM
You know nothing has killed more people than wars fought over religeon :3
Invader Jack
09-09-2007, 07:03 AM
I know. I absolutely HATE the idea of people killing each other just because they can't see eye to eye on religion. It's messed up and immature. Not to mention highly unnecessary.
TabbyRoxas
09-09-2007, 09:28 AM
Tough question. The Da Vinci code says that Jesus had a son with Mary Magedelen, and Da Vinci secretly coded this in his artworks to show this. Although this is Fictional, there is still some meaning to it. This could be true, and there could be someone who is a decendent of Jesus
Mirai
09-09-2007, 02:06 PM
Tough question. The Da Vinci code says that Jesus had a son with Mary Magedelen, and Da Vinci secretly coded this in his artworks to show this. Although this is Fictional, there is still some meaning to it. This could be true, and there could be someone who is a decendent of Jesus
First of all, Jesus probably never existed.
Secondly, all of the "codes" have been debunked.
Ghetto
09-09-2007, 02:13 PM
First of all, Jesus probably never existed.
Secondly, all of the "codes" have been debunked.
i belive jesus existed btw thats just me.
i doubt he had a son though.
TabbyRoxas
09-10-2007, 07:25 AM
First of all, Jesus probably never existed.
Secondly, all of the "codes" have been debunked.
Man that's racist you shouldnt say stuff like that thats slack
Man that's racist you shouldnt say stuff like that thats slack
Not really.>_> Mirai said probably, which means she is stating a opinion. The way she posted it wasn't in a racist way.
Repliku
09-10-2007, 07:46 AM
Man that's racist you shouldnt say stuff like that thats slack
To say Jesus 'probably' never existed is 'racist'? How is that a racist statement? Christians aren't a race last time I checked, not that I ever divide humans up past being human any way, but...what? Also, there is 'proof' saying he existed and proof to show he may or may not have ever existed. It is something left up to the persons who evaluate it and pick what they will side with.
Mirai
09-10-2007, 11:54 AM
Man that's racist you shouldnt say stuff like that thats slack
What? How is what I said racist?
Not really.>_> Mirai said probably, which means she is stating a opinion. The way she posted it wasn't in a racist way.
She? Ummm... I'm a guy... Yyyeah... I get that a lot.
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