depression

[hahannuh]

for some reason i here it so often now. it's as though people have degraded it's meaning. i'm not trying to sound mean or anything but i can't stand when people just use it for exaggeration. it's a really serious topic, right?

[hikki_kairi]

yup! btw, are u depressed or something??

[hahannuh]

haha not anymore. need 6 words.

[twilightsown]

Especially in the intelligent discussion thread guys :mad: Anyway, I went through a depression phase myself when I was younger, and I can say that it is something that is very real. I think the reason it is appearing more often is that our world has become so much more stressful, causing many more people to break down.

[Darkwatch]

Hmm...

Many people think Depression is for 'emo' or 'goth' people.

Many of them, however, have no idea it's a disorder. All it is, is people who are overly sensative, and tend to fall down slopes fast because of it.

I myself do, and so it's not like I'm a complete moron. xDDDDDD

But yeah...it's just a thing people have. I'm not sure if it's gentic or not...

[twilightsown]

I'm not wuite sure whether or not it is proven genetic, but I know its something that has been in my family before. I think it has a lot to do with the stressors in one's life that deplete your seratonin resources. So it may or may not be, but irregardless it is triggered by actions that happen during ones life.

[hahannuh]

i hardly think it's genetic. like twilightsown said, most of it is due to pressure, stress, and society. i think younger people get depressed also due to family issues, stress, etc. well that's at least how i was depressed.

[hikki_kairi]

do u think everyone goes through depression?

[hahannuh]

i don't know... maybe. like mid-life crisis is depression too i think.

[hikki_kairi]

yah, maybe...
- Depression is a challenge we all go through. If ure a kid, teen or an adult u may or may not get targeted. Depression is like a virus, contagious and sometimes deadly. Some people survive and some doesn't, it's a way to prove our worth in life.-

-is that right?

[Darkwatch]

Again, it's not ONLY the stressors.

If you didn't read my post, it all depends on the person's sensativity levels. I myself am not that sensative about the things you guys are mentioning. I have a seperate life that I need to attend to, so I can't concern myself with them. But regardless if I was or not, if you are very weak and fall victim to these feelings often or faster than others...it's not the stressor, it's the fact that the person cannot take the stress, and is ultimately depressed.

[hahannuh]

it's not literally a virus... i'm pretty sure. haha but as an analogy i don't think it's contagious. seriously, it's not. but ideas of depression and what people do when they're depessed to spread.

[Neku]

I suffer from depression, have since I was ten years old(was diagnosed with it at that age) I'm twenty-one now, and still have to take medication for it, if I dont I get to the point of wanting to just roll over and die. On top of that, I also suffer from Social Anxiety, meaning it is near impossible for me to function around large numbers of strangers, making me seem very shy when im not. Therefore it is very difficult for me to hold down a job, my doctor says I should file for disability because of it.

on the subject of it being degraded:
I dont think it has been 'degraded' but it is definatly a product of environment, and the world has become a lot harsher than it was before, so I believe the youth nowdays have it much harder than even some of us older people (15-20's) did when we were young. That being said, those that break under pressure are more liable to suffer from depression because of this. It will only get worse until the world is fixed and peace returned.

[Ratchet]

Depression can also be triggered by a traumatic experience. I was treated for it after my mum died. I think it is not really understood by most people, and I feel that pressure in modern society plays a big part in bringing depression to the front.

[Roxas]

I think that depression is something that comes to you when nobody wants to help you. I've never gone through depression and never plan on it, maybe just because I have loads of friends that can back me up.

Someone once said that people who go on forums have no friends. Is this why so many of 'us' have depression?

I think not, because I have loads of friends in the US and England, and it doesn't affect me. I think depression stems from your childhood. Abuse, lack of friends and support, bullied, overweight - all these things contribute to become depressed.

Not to be a **** or anything, but I also think that emos and goths are more likely to be depressed because they let their 'depression' shield down.

[Darkwatch]

No, Roxas. Goth and Emo people are Goth and Emo, because they ARE depressed. Not because they are goth or emo. I'm a very emotional person, but I can hold it out of sight rather easily. If I couldn't, I'd probably do what my cousin does and slit my wrist's.

But I don't. There's a difference in depression.

[Ratchet]

I have loads of friends outside the forums and I was bullied. Maybe it did affect me, but I think there are a whole range of factors that affect depression, and bouts can be triggered by either one or a group of reasons. It doesn't mean that due to you fitting some of the criteria that you are depressed all the time. I'm normally upbeat and optimistic, and can cope with loads of things.

[Roxas]

Okay, that still proves that emos and goths are depressed, and do cut their wrists.

I'm just saying that depressed people have been stereotyped, and the person who you thought was vibrant and cheery in school could be cutting themselves outside of school as well.

Cutting is bad. It doesn't help you. I'm not saying this to be immature, but it does nothing good.

[Zexion of the Twilight]

Well, depression is contagious in a way. It's like emitting some kind of aura, people who get too close to the infected catch it themselves. That, in turn, infect others.

[Darkwatch]

Cutting yourself has nothing to do with being depressed. It's just a way of depleting yourself of negative energy. It's not bad. The only pain that could ever come out of it is emotional pain.

I know, I've done it once before. It surprisingly doesn't hurt. Still, depression isn't about cutting yourself at all. Depression and emo are very close, yes, but cutting is a wrong-set stereotype...

And that's coming from a friend of dozens of emo's. >__>;

[Roxas]

I visit a website where people get help with their problems, etc. One of the main problems dealt with there is cutting, and they are depressed when they do it. They don't just cut for the sake of cutting, they cut so they can rid themselves of their depressed feelings.

I know it doesn't heard, I've read accounts of it happening. Sometimes it hurts, sometimes you don't feel it. But it is nevertheless connected with depression and ultimately goths and emos, because as you said they are all depressed.

[Darkwatch]

Well they are all depressed, but not all of them cut. Only the ones that have no self control whatsoever. None of my emo friends cut, does that mean they aren't emo? No. Like you even said yourself, it's a stereotyped idea. Once it happened with a goth person, the clique of 'emo' was made. Now we have 'scene.'

And also, some emo's do cut for the sake of cutting. Sure, they do it because they might be depressed, and they also do it to rid themselves of their feelings; but the point is, is that they do other things too. Surely, you must know.

Depression on emo's and goth's differ's. Much like Religion, once the protestants of the Roman Catholic church /became/ the protestants, it was a new sect ulitimately having different practices.

The exact same idea happened to goth and emo. Goth started, then cutting and bolimia started, and instantly emo grew to be a new 'part' or 'sect' of goth. Goth was originally never a depressive clique, it was just the 'hardcore' rock style way back in the 70's and 80's. Then, like I said, new things happened, and it had 'emo' grow into it.

o-o I am so bored right now...*sighs*

[hahannuh]

first of all cutting is not something stupid. i've done it and a lot of people think that it's because they are either punishing themselves, looking for sympathy, or are releasing bad energy. actually, cutting releases good feelings. it's like a bugbite that you scratch until it bleeds. it hurts but it also feels good. i know it does seem stupid, that's what i thought at first but you don't really know until you've learned about it and experienced it.

EDIT! i'm not saying that cutting is a good thing. i've stopped for sure. but please don't think that it's completely pointless and pitiful. i know that it doesn't do good but i understand why people do it.

i don't mean to sound stereotypical but i think goths and emos are just posers. i mean i'm bright and i love to have fun. plus i have a bunch of friends. but i still went through it.

[Neku]

Ok, first off guys, alot of people that cut, myself included at one time(I stopped once I got with my current girlfriend) do it to rid themselves of emotional pain. cutting makes the emotional hurt turn into physical hurt, which is ALOT easier to deal with, that was what drove me to cut from the age 14-20. I know its not good, but for me at those times it was the best thing I knew how to do to stop from blowing my brains out, so please, dont say that its pointless and stupid, because I know, had I not done it in my past, I wouldnt be here today. Now, each one of those scars represent something to me that says I have to work to become a better man. I look at my arms and see my pain now, like a blueprint of my past.

[Samurai]

You can't think you're better than people who cut themselves. They do so, because it may be the only thing that gives them a shred of happiness. (Not to offend anyone who does it)

If you put yourselves in their shoes for a nano-second, you would see what it's like.

I've thought about doing it several times. And I once did it. But, I couldn't do it again.

[Rouge Angel92]

I'm a really sensitive person, so I get depressed alot. Or I just feel sad.
But I've never resorted to cutting myself cause one people will question me about them, Two, I hate pain, and Three, there's no way I could do it without getting caught. So I cry and yes I have gone to school and started crying but I only cried for about five minutes or so. It's embarrassing cause its stupid and weak. So I've really been trying to fight back tears when I get that way.
Sometimes I just start drawing when I get that way for some reason.
~Anywho~
I know why people cut themselves and it makes me sad cause it does so much more ahrm than good. Yet they still do it.

[1winged_angel]

Yea I understand, I mean I get why they would cut themself but it really doesn't help...at all....it would be wiser to just get it out in the open and release ur feelings instead of that, tell a person u trust or cry alone...umm..I dunno..thing is don't keep it bottled inside u enough that ur feelings make u want to cut urself to relieve that mental strain

[Darkwatch]

Yea I understand, I mean I get why they would cut themself but it really doesn't help...at all....it would be wiser to just get it out in the open and release ur feelings instead of that, tell a person u trust or cry alone...umm..I dunno..thing is don't keep it bottled inside u enough that ur feelings make u want to cut urself to relieve that mental strainSome people, unfortunately, can't do that. Usually when they are in that state of mind, they feel alone; unwanted; disregarded; etc.

I understand what you mean, Arc. I guess there is different ways of what or how or WHY people cut themselves. I know you do it to make mental pain physical, but I also know some who cut to make their mental pain more like a pleasure. They claim it doesn't hurt at all, even though it looks very painful. .-.

[hahannuh]

actually cutting is really hard to control. it usually happens instantly after an fight or anything bad. after i would get in fights with my parents i would go straight to my scissors. i know it's really stupid but when i used to cut i felt that if i didn't cut myself i would kill myself. it happens really quickly. esp in the beginning it's a lot of anger/frustration so it's hard to just stop and cry or call somebody.

[Demonic Angel]

I suffer from depression. It's not fun. :(

I haven't resorted to cutting, but, alas, I've considered about it. Pondered, if you will.

But I doubt I'd ever do it.

[Drunken Roxas]

Personally Im the Kind of Person who can kill someone and not care I know its a sick thing but its better than having to go through things...also if you think about the word "Sad" many words are changing from there original meaning because the word "Sad" has now become a word for Pathetic People where as the word Depresed is automatically linked to "Emo" or "Goth" but I dont think those labels should be used for being depressed I know people who arent "Emo" or "Goth" who are very much depressed who hate there life and resorts to slitting many people I know are emos but they are perfectly fine they think of it as a fasion statemtn I am 13/14 and I have slit my wrists when I was around ten because I lost an Uncle who was very much dear to me as a idol he killed himself because the presure of life became too mich money, drugs and alchohol all became to much I slit my wrists to turn my Mental and Emotional pain into Phychical because Physchical pain is usually easier to get out of the way I do not suffer from depression I just have diferent view on life but I have changed like I said at the begingin of the post I am slightly emotionless but everything changes.

(If I didnt make a point sorry this is my first post on intelegent discusion)

[JackS27]

The trick is not letting it get to you. The trick is, as hard as it is some times, to say "I don't like feeling this way, so I'm not going to let myself." Do something you enjoy. Like the old saying, "If you go out and pretend to have fun, you might have a little true fun by accident."

[twilightsown]

@Drunken Roxas: Don't feel that you haven't made a point, you have. You've merely made quite a few of them in an amount of space where you could have gone into greater detail on one. I have known people who cut their wrists, and I can understand where you are coming from with the loss of a loved one. When I was about your age (maybe a bit older) I lost my closest friend to an illness no one knew he had. I went into depression for a long time about it, but came out of it because I have been through a lot of death and dissapointment in my life. I think the difference in how we handled it is merely how we respond to it. People tell me all the time I am upbeat and optimistic, but I can become depressed extremly quickly, shutting everyone off from myself, and just go sulk somewhere. The only reason I think I never cut is I am terribly frightened of physical pain. So it was never an option for me. What I guess I'm getting at is that life sucks, I know it does, but don't become a lifeless emotionless blob because of it. If things are going to be bad anyway, you might as well try and be optimistic. I missed out on a lot of experiences during my times I was depressed, and I have made a vow to myself that I'm never going to do anything again that I will regret. So I have forced myself to go out and live. Just stay with it. I won't tell you to change, I can't and shouldn't say that. I merely offer some advice on where I am coming from. I hope this helped somewhat, and if not I apologize.

[Roxas]

I have a question for some people who cut themselves:

How come you don't feel pain?

[hahannuh]

i did feel pain. it helped me calm down for some strange scientific reason. i know this sounds psychotic, but i kind of liked the pain. it felt... not painful but more "adventurous" i can't really explain it.

[Drunken Roxas]

Ive only had one Phase of Depression which I left but I did slit I geuss like I said in the post before turning Emotional Pain into Phychical was alot easier and yes it did hurt but it was slightly nubed by the reason I was doing it.

[DarknessKingdom]

I've had a state of depression but nothing really serious. I don't think it actually should be stated 'depression' cause I just felt sad about 9/11.

But I hate it how people think that cutting their wrists/inflicting pain on themselves will solve the problems in their life. In the end, they're running away and they're not actually going to settle the things that need to be settled.

When these people who are in a state in depression, slit their wrists and are dying slowly, do they actually think of their loved ones who are alive?

[hahannuh]

first, cutting does not kill people (unless it's the intense type where they slit their whole body). and usually it's their "loved ones" that create this anger/depression. it's hard to really think about anything good when only terrible things are running through your head.

[twilightsown]

Hahannuh is right, I went through a bout of depression, however I did not slit my wrists. as I've stated before, I'm simply to afraid of physical pain. However, I can see where they're thought process comes from. The mental pain they are feeling is so great, that they need a way to releave(sp?) it. I do not agree with it, but I can understand it.

[In_the_Twilight]

Just like A.D.D., Depression seems over-used and overrated to me. It appears everyone is depressed with some form of attention deficeit disorder

[twilightsown]

In the twilight, while I agree with you that these diseases seem to be more common lately, and more often diagnosed, accusing those here of not suffering when we have had quite a few people come forth and say that have cut is insensitive. Yes, people are probably using it as a way to get out of things, but at least some of the people here are actually suffering from it. To come off so cold is mean.

[In_the_Twilight]

Perhaps I should have worded my words a little more carefully, because after reading your response twilightstown, that was not what I was trying to imply at all - whether I was taking a sensitive approach or not.
Don't get me wrong, I have friends of my own with real depression issues that concern me a lot...the whole bathtub with a bottle of pills idea. What I was trying to get across was my annoyance with those people who toss the term around loosely and define themselves as being depressed when they're not. That's what I meant when I said "everyone seems depressed".

[twilightsown]

I apologize for misinterpreting your words In the Twilight. I just get defensive sometimes, and I can snap. I agree that many people toss the word around foolishly, which is incredibly frustrating, especially for people who have actually gone through depression.

[In_the_Twilight]

No worries :)
Your initial response made me realize that what is meant isn't always what comes across as being said - I think the way we phrase things is something we all need to watch out for when dealing with sensitive issues.

Heres this for coincidence - I'm off to study for my psychology exam :p

[Camel]

i think that when you are deppressed, all your anger is bottled up in your body and it makes you feel like Sh*T, and instead of releasing all that anger by hurting other peole you just go EMO.

[The Doktor]

..... I guess it is overused a little...

But sometimes people think they feel kinda like that.

I know I do sometimes...

........ Oh well.

[Rouge Angel92]

I wouldn't call them "emo" I would say that they have bad ways of dealing with their frustration.
I hate crying as I said before it's WEAK!!! That is somethingi don't like showing I'm trying to get stronger and not let things bother me as much. And I think I have gotten a little stronger, but one day I almost did cut myself but since I couldn't find my little pocketknife(yes I got it at claries. it even has a little nail file.) so I ended up scratching myself. (Don't worry you can't even see the mark now.) But like twightsown i hate physical pain and blood makes me sick. But I can take a punch, a slap, a kick any hit you want to throw at me. The bruises and scars will heal, but the name calling, the yelling, the threats, the scary looks. Those are what hurt the most cause they'll stay in my head and play over and over making me feel more like nothing. And my tears will only keep coming and my fears will stay.
btw: has anybody been called 'a little ****' before or am I the only one?

[EvilMan_89]

it's not just for goths or emos. lots of ppl get depressed but they just suffer in silence. but i find that those depressions stages usually don't last long, unless the person is under constant stress like if they get beat up or bullied everyday. it's pretty normal

[Statuess]

Personally, I don't think goths have to be depressed and I think most emos are fakers. >_> Don't flame me, it's just that is p**ses me off 'cos I've always thought of 'emos' as "I'm more twisted than them". (My best friend say I AM emo, but I just don't dress like them or hang out with them.) However, the people who don't PRETEND to have problems are actually really cool.

I think I'm depressed. My oldest brother was/is, and gets disability allowance. If I'm not, I'm certain I must have something.

However, I guess because I just act quiet in school or something, it hasn't really been noticed in me. A year or two ago, I mentioned it to Mum and said I wanted to take something for it and she just brushed it off, so I don't talk to her about it anymore. I've never properly seen someone to be diagnosed, or even really talked to an adult about it in that way, but I usually get a very high score on the "Goldberg Depression Test" (http://testyourself.netdoctor.co.uk/interactivetests/goldberg.php) (I used to be virtually addicted to it when I first started feeling depressed but when I felt REALLY bad I just stopped being able to even look at it.)

I think some people could be saying they are depressed to get attention, but if they are, they must have a problem! It does seem, though, that people are having more and more psychological problems.


Also, there's an "exuberance" gene, which has a long or short allele (version). This could affect depression, I think.

I actually am easily amused, and my moods vary a lot. I tend to feel happier if I have less people to compare myself to. It's possible I just get lows following hormonial highs! (I actually observed this in myself, so it could happen on a larger scale..?)

[Anderson]

:( Depression is one of the hardest obstacles to overcome. I'm going through it...actually...I've been going through it for 4 years. Man...

[Rouge Angel92]

Depression for me is like up and down. I'll feel great one day and then for some reason I would feel bad the next and then something would happen and i would feel worse. If things kept getting worse I would got to my room and cry or call one of my friends and talk to them about it. But that's just how I go through it and it sometimes worse for other people. That's what causes people to deal with depression/stress differently.

[Camel]

ok why do you think that people who are goth and emo are like that....


i think it is because they aren't proud of themselves and try to relief that pain by cutting themselves while listening to death metal....

my personal way to relief my anger is to have horny sex with any thing, but boys, don't try it with a beer bottle is risky, if it gets too big it might get stuck, and its not pretty..... i almost lost it....sobs

[21stCenturyDigitalGrl]

well i think there's a huge dffrnce btwn sad & depressed...... depressed 2 me means that they're extremely sad 4 a long X, & sad could just B 4 ten minutes....... i mean, yesterday, i srsly couldn't stop crying 4 no reason @ all, & it lasted 4 like an hour, but then 5 minutes later i wuz in front of the TV cracking up, so ppl, u know U Rn't depressed if it changes in less than a long X

[21stCenturyDigitalGrl]

ok why do you think that people who are goth and emo are like that....


i think it is because they aren't proud of themselves and try to relief that pain by cutting themselves while listening to death metal....

my personal way to relief my anger is to have horny sex with any thing, but boys, don't try it with a beer bottle is risky, if it gets too big it might get stuck, and its not pretty..... i almost lost it....sobs

OK thanx4sharin......... & while i don't get why ppl cut themselves or listen 2 death metal, i DO listen 2 really loud eurodance music when i'm sad..... heck, that duzn't mean much cuz my music's loud alll the X

[Darkandroid]

I myself am I very positive person, even during dark times I look on the bright side of things and it helps me get through it. But for some just just dig themselves deeper and get in a big mess. They slowly build up until a very little thing sends them over the edge. I know I've been there.

I've heard upsetting and personal news today, and well yes I am rather depressed right now, but look I'm looking on the bright side and things will be ok. But yes I am hurting right now.

As for the emo's cutting themselves, it's only those very few idiots, really not many at all actually do.

[Roxas]

Plz don't double post 21stCentury.

More tidbits from me: depression is sad.

[Camel]

yeah, when i am sad i cry and then i get really angry. i usually go shoot stuff w/ my paintball gun.

[Roxas]

yeah, when i am sad i cry and then i get really angry. i usually go shoot stuff w/ my paintball gun.

Didn't your parents lock it in their closet?

[Camel]

alex.............you should know me better than dat.......... i find it..... then i break the lock (my parents are too stupid to notice) then i go shoot old grannies with it.

[Anniexo]

I think most people say they are depressed when they not, I'll only ever say it when I'm thinking of ending my life but that don't really do that so i think that's when you can say your depressed

[Rouge Angel92]

I remember last year(8th grade) I got really depressed and nothing seem right. Nothing really seemed worth it anymore. I would get upset or mad easily. I felt like nothing and everything I did wasn't good enough. It took a while but I snapped out of it. Still i do feel like that sometimes but not for a long time.
Anywho I think it's stupid how people who are "gothic" call themselves "depressed" or "emo". It only adds to the problem of people lableing others who wear dark clothes "emo". this makes people think that only "gothics" get depressed when they don't. Everybody does at some point.

[Budabuda]

i have never in my life been actually depressed. sad, but not depressed. I take life very lightly, the way i see it, is that wat will happen will happen. Why get sad over what happens?

[Laurence_Fox]

I'd just like to say that not all Goths cut themselves or are depressed all the time.

Now that that's out of the way:

Most of us have felt 'down in the dumps' 'blue', that sort of depressed. But this type of Depression is very serious. I suspect I have it since I was bullied in school since my fellow students found out I had epilepsy when I was younger and thus was branded a 'retard'. Nevermind I got better grades then they did and constantly made the honor roll.

But anyway, Depression is not something to take lightly. Particularly 'Major Depressive Disorder' because of the high mortality rate tied with it {15% if left untreated}.

It's when they also have what is called Dysthymic Disorder paired with Depression. Yes you can have more than one at a time. This is called 'Double Depression. Dysthemia is less severe, but longer duration. Usually they have trouble getting out of bed. 'it's not worth it.' 'No one cares about me.' 'I'd be better off dead.'

I think Depression is more likely in the world today because of the high priority we place on image. Women needing to be a certain way to be attractive to men. Men thinking they need to not show their emotions, or be not a man.

Speaking of, Men are more likely to not admit they need help if they have any sort of mental disorder. Seeing it as a weakness to admit that they have a problem.

Sorry I made this post rather long. :o