Becoming Immortal by Cloning

[Gamefreak103]

I just watched a show on the science channel, and some person says we can be immortal through cloning.

He says by cloning and then somehow download or existing mind into the new body, we can become immortal.

What do you think about this topic?

[Repliku]

I think that cloning to become immortal would be morally wrong. There are clones of animals that exist fine and seem to have their own lives independent etc of the original being. It would technically be murder to me to take a clone and put in the 'mind' of the original to it because that clone is now a life of its own. That's just my thoughts on it as I think every life has its own 'soul' so even if it were possible it would be cruel.

[Kroshanks]

Well, I don't believe that. If you ''download'' the brain into the body, as you say, then that would mean that nly the person's memory and subconscience would be copied into a pseudo-being. If I were to clone myself and download my mind into the clone, then the only thing that would happen would be another me. For what that man suggests to actually happen, you'd somehow have to extract the brain and place it in a new body, and no human in the world can surve such a procedure, no matter how it's done.

Mankind should just realise: Eternal life is beyond human reach. Since the dawn of time, mankind has tried to create everlasting life, but have you ever once heard of anyone succeding? I think not.

[Nanaki]

No, I don't believe it. Reguardless of how many times your cloned, your clone will still age. And I think clones change....I think they are different from you....there is only one you....SOMETHING must be different from clones. Living things are ment to go to Heaven or Hell....clone or not. Everything is judged and dies....

[Nobody's Shadow]

I don't know much about cloning, but I think that whole idea of it is... weird. Especially for the actual clone, seeing as they would be their own person, yet not. I cant even imagine the identity crisis situation one might go through. I mean it's almost seems like cruelty to destine a being into such an awkward existence.

And to seek immortality by means of it? I wonder how it would play out between the point at which the prototype(for lack of a better word) dies and the clone is birthed.

I've never heard this idea though, very interesting...

[Cin]

Well, I don't believe that. If you ''download'' the brain into the body, as you say, then that would mean that nly the person's memory and subconscience would be copied into a pseudo-being. If I were to clone myself and download my mind into the clone, then the only thing that would happen would be another me. For what that man suggests to actually happen, you'd somehow have to extract the brain and place it in a new body, and no human in the world can surve such a procedure, no matter how it's done.

Mankind should just realise: Eternal life is beyond human reach. Since the dawn of time, mankind has tried to create everlasting life, but have you ever once heard of anyone succeding? I think not.

Jesus gives you everlasting life...

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[Zandyne]

Cloning you say?

Well, to break it down, cloning is merely the process by which you take your genetic material and FORCE it to become a carbon copy of your own. By all means, techinicality if your genetics granted you a mind of your own, so should your clone have a mind of its own.

Case and point, IDENTICAL TWINS. They both have the same DNA and in many regards they will lead seperate yet similiar lives. Cloning is an artificial process of this so in a way, it would be like having a twin that was years younger than you.

Also, I believe they proved that cloning showed that the cloned individual would have a much shorter life span...but upon doing a quick reference, the early death was attributed to a sort of infection.

Anyway, downloading the brain may seem impossible to us now, but so was flying a little over a hundred years ago. Technology is taking greater leaps in these past few decades...so don't say impossible so early in the game.

In a way cloning can be considered a rather...interesting usage of reproductive material. However it shouldn't be used for immortality. We're already having trouble supporting people who live a long time much less for forever.

Anyway, cloning by iteself with no mention of using it as a means of "becoming immortal" is no more disgusting or immoral than artificial insemination, the only difference is that the genetic map is more specific for the individual. :\

[♥AL90♥]

Clonning's illegal in the USA. Also being immortal is not for mortals.

Not wise to clone youreself because of reasons like someone could switch the bodies, the downloading process could be a total flop and you end up exploding, or it would be stupid because in the future you probably won't be able to keep up with new trends. (girls mostly)

[Gamefreak103]

The downloading thing to me sounds too complicated!
But in the future, they estimate that by 2030, they hope to have a computer with the capacity of a human brain. O.o

I hope they don't download......
On the other hand, I wonder how it would feel!

[Hissora]

I think he doesn't get that we're not robots.

Number one, if you clone someone, it's going to take a whole hell of a lot to put the information in them. If they make the clone at current age, it'd be almost dead by the time they got the information. BUt if they cloned them as if at birth, it'd be a waste of time because it's a new person.

YOu can't clone someone and expect them to be the same. They don't have the same soul, might I say, so they're not the same person, and so it's not immortality.

Get what I'm saying? o-o

[EvilMan_89]

it's definitely impossible. the mind is something that's intangible, so you can't simply "download" it into another being. also, it's been found that clones die after a while for an unknown reason (as in, no where close to a full life, like i think a month).

[Redeyesblackdragon]

Want to know what I personally think? Well the truth is I think it is a bunch of crap, how can it be you? You have a spirit, You can move the mind but you can't move the soul. So how can you be you in a new body? The answer is, You cant be immortal no matter what you do. You will need to go to to hell or heaven sooner or later. If you have a clone at the same age as you its just your mind, like a zombie, if you believe that can really happen. Of course I know there is no such thing as a Zombie. All in all I still think that is all crap.

[EvilMan_89]

Want to know what I personally think? Well the truth is I think it is a bunch of crap, how can it be you? You have a spirit, You can move the mind but you can't move the soul. So how can you be you in a new body? The answer is, You cant be immortal no matter what you do. You will need to go to to hell or heaven sooner or later. If you have a clone at the same age as you its just your mind, like a zombie, if you believe that can really happen. Of course I know there is no such thing as a Zombie. All in all I still think that is all crap.
EXACTLY my thoughts

[Mr.Sprinkles]

Even if you could do that i personally would hate it eventually i would tire of life seeing everything that there is to see, life would become so boring

[The_King]

I just watched a show on the science channel, and some person says we can be immortal through cloning.

He says by cloning and then somehow download or existing mind into the new body, we can become immortal.

What do you think about this topic?

Immortality. Huh. Well, I'm far from being as intelligent as my peers, but, eh, I'll take a crack at it.

First off, I agree with the others: immortality is, in fact, impossible. It also seems to go against all morals I can find. Now, say you manage to get the millions of dollars it takes to be cloned. Then, provided you survive, your mind is transferred into the cloned body. Congradulations, you just committed murder by killing BOTH your clone AND suicide by killing your body. So, immortal? No. And you killed your poor, innocent clone in the process. Wow. Mind-boggling, huh? Now, even though your mind survives, will IT be immortal? Depends. Did your clone's body stay alive long enough for the mind transfer? Who's to say it won't fail the next time? Just how long could your mind be preserved anyway? Think about it. Could you honestly repeat the procedure until the end of time? WILL there be an end of time? Would you just keep doing it until some hellish armageddon occurs? Could you? Think on all of these questions, and I think you'll find the answer.

I gotta go. His Majesty, out.

[Zandyne]

Immortality. Huh. Well, I'm far from being as intelligent as my peers, but, eh, I'll take a crack at it.

First off, I agree with the others: immortality is, in fact, impossible. It also seems to go against all morals I can find. Now, say you manage to get the millions of dollars it takes to be cloned. Then, provided you survive, your mind is transferred into the cloned body. Congradulations, you just committed murder by killing BOTH your clone AND suicide by killing your body. So, immortal? No. And you killed your poor, innocent clone in the process. Wow. Mind-boggling, huh? Now, even though your mind survives, will IT be immortal? Depends. Did your clone's body stay alive long enough for the mind transfer? Who's to say it won't fail the next time? Just how long could your mind be preserved anyway? Think about it. Could you honestly repeat the procedure until the end of time? WILL there be an end of time? Would you just keep doing it until some hellish armageddon occurs? Could you? Think on all of these questions, and I think you'll find the answer.

I gotta go. His Majesty, out.

*Broken record* So was flying a little over a hundred years ago. And we still remember long dead figures don't we? Hmmm, interesting they aren't here physically yes, but they have been immoratalized to some extent.

Now as for morals, you are merely seeing the black and white of this situation. You are also not looking at it with an entirely clear mind. First you need to figure out why one would even want to LIVE beyond their current mortal scope, immortality is a bit high of a goal, but what about simply prolonging one's life? If you are shaking your head at artificial extension of your natural life, QUICK STOP TAKING MEDICATION OR ANYTHING PRESCRIBED.

Back to my point....think of all of the reasons someone may want to live longer...some reason as to why their current body is not sufficent...think...oh I don't know...PEOPLE WITH TERMINAL ILLNESSES, especially children. Oh the children that "God" so graced us with them to be here on earth just to be ripped away back to the afterlife, that's absolutely kind and benevolent! So think, what if there was a method of extending that child's life? Cloning is not the only process by which to obtain "another body" there can easily be other synthetic methods. Really, just give science enough time and the answer may very well be spewed forth. (Also consider organ donations, techinically you are tearing out the innards of someone just to save another's life. It isn't beautiful, but the person who's life is saved is priceless.)

And if cloning really must be relied upon...the brain upload should be within the first couple weeks of the fetus's devolopment...the brain has not devoloped to any "existence" up until that point, so by all techinicality, its a matter of what brain tissue gets there first (no different from the sperm that first meets the egg).

So really, who wants immortality or at least a slightly longer life? Ask the people who want it. And King, sorry I cannot offer the answers to your last rhetorical ones, I have no desire to be immortal after all.

-And if you plan to argue with me, do so with some proof, no OMG YOU ARE SO IMMORAL/OMG BUT THINK OF THE SOULZ! I am looking at this from an objective view.-

[Repliku]

*Broken record* So was flying a little over a hundred years ago. And we still remember long dead figures don't we? Hmmm, interesting they aren't here physically yes, but they have been immoratalized to some extent.

Now as for morals, you are merely seeing the black and white of this situation. You are also not looking at it with an entirely clear mind. First you need to figure out why one would even want to LIVE beyond their current mortal scope, immortality is a bit high of a goal, but what about simply prolonging one's life? If you are shaking your head at artificial extension of your natural life, QUICK STOP TAKING MEDICATION OR ANYTHING PRESCRIBED.

Back to my point....think of all of the reasons someone may want to live longer...some reason as to why their current body is not sufficent...think...oh I don't know...PEOPLE WITH TERMINAL ILLNESSES, especially children. Oh the children that "God" so graced us with them to be here on earth just to be ripped away back to the afterlife, that's absolutely kind and benevolent! So think, what if there was a method of extending that child's life? Cloning is not the only process by which to obtain "another body" there can easily be other synthetic methods. Really, just give science enough time and the answer may very well be spewed forth. (Also consider organ donations, techinically you are tearing out the innards of someone just to save another's life. It isn't beautiful, but the person who's life is saved is priceless.)

And if cloning really must be relied upon...the brain upload should be within the first couple weeks of the fetus's devolopment...the brain has not devoloped to any "existence" up until that point, so by all techinicality, its a matter of what brain tissue gets there first (no different from the sperm that first meets the egg).

So really, who wants immortality or at least a slightly longer life? Ask the people who want it. And King, sorry I cannot offer the answers to your last rhetorical ones, I have no desire to be immortal after all.

-And if you plan to argue with me, do so with some proof, no OMG YOU ARE SO IMMORAL/OMG BUT THINK OF THE SOULZ! I am looking at this from an objective view.-

I guess, I can't see it but in a black and white way really. As I mentioned before, cloning a living being does in essence mean that it is a new life. That person could live free and develop as animals had or an identical twin could, so for someone to just use it to override it...that seems like murder to me. The new life would be a new life and I just can't figure a way to make it not murder of the essence of a new being.

Some people feel a clone is just a carbon copy of a person, but I am a twin, even if fraternal...I know others who are identical twins...and well, we all are different, despite sharing genes. I do kind of get tired of 'clone' scenarios where the clone is treated as just a casual being that can be created and destroyed as if it has no life of its own, or soul. It's a living being and if it can walk, talk, breed etc...it is a human being, or whatever the clone species was derived from. I can't imagine it not being that way with all the proof we have of animals living that are clones, and identical twins.

However, the benefits of cloning say body parts, such as blood, skin, organs and such for people I could see as a way of prolonging life that well, isn't so bad really and I'd have nothing against that. With how the body often can only accept donors that are very closely matched for things like kidneys, and how short we are often with blood donations, ...and skin for burn victims and such, well, these things could make a difference. Terminal illnesses could also be aided by cloning possibly of organs and such from a parental donor or sibling and neurological systems could be helped. Also with embryonic studies, neurological conditions are being tested and in some places, positive results happen, so cloning a whole body...I don't see the need.

So I won't say it is -impossible- of course, because yes, someday it may very well be possible that a mental impression and memories could be passed onto a clone body, but at the same time, my point would be that to get a clone old enough to be an adult any way, it would have to move and live of its own accord and develop. I cannot imagine putting all those memories etc in an infant, or baby's mind and hope it could retain information, considering children even cannot remember much of what happened to them before the age of three. Also, the developmental body issues themselves would be backwards and it could cause a lot of hormonal imbalances. I can't see it just being locked up, there it is, with no soul of its own etc and just being a body, yet being able to be produced efficiently. So my thoughts still would be that it is ethically a murder process.

[EvilMan_89]

i dunno, if you stay healthy enough, maybe no one has to die if they dont' want to?

[The_King]

i dunno, if you stay healthy enough, maybe no one has to die if they dont' want to?

I...assume that was a joke. :I

[Zandyne]

So I won't say it is -impossible- of course, because yes, someday it may very well be possible that a mental impression and memories could be passed onto a clone body, but at the same time, my point would be that to get a clone old enough to be an adult any way, it would have to move and live of its own accord and develop. I cannot imagine putting all those memories etc in an infant, or baby's mind and hope it could retain information, considering children even cannot remember much of what happened to them before the age of three. Also, the developmental body issues themselves would be backwards and it could cause a lot of hormonal imbalances. I can't see it just being locked up, there it is, with no soul of its own etc and just being a body, yet being able to be produced efficiently. So my thoughts still would be that it is ethically a murder process.

Cloning organs is the stem cell research's expertise I believe...or would like to believe.

As for how it could be odd, there is a disorder at times where the baby is born without a brain, techinically the cloning could go something like that, but in many ways, yes I would prefer a non-biological means of a "new-vessel" (something prosthetic). (There is also the syndrome which accerlates the aging of a child, so new organs would not help them.)

Also some people tend to forget that ethic is merely a matter of what turns of the stomach and what bothers I'm a very good example of that, and I apologize for not quite being able to see it in that light.

However, for some strange reason, I still think if science was given enough time, they could find a loophole in this morality/ethics when it pertains to cloning. After all, if they can create organs out of nothing, isn't a body merely a collection of these organs? Surely they can/could devise a way so that no "spirit" was murdered in the process.

-Still what qualifies as murder? By rigid techinicality, it is a biological shortening of a life...not the mind. People who are vegatables are not "dead" in the literal sense. Actually I don't even know the point of this extra statement, but I thought I would throw it out there.-

[EvilMan_89]

I...assume that was a joke. :I
hey, i will try it, and watch me live forever , ok fine, HALF joking

[Repliku]

Cloning organs is the stem cell research's expertise I believe...or would like to believe.

As for how it could be odd, there is a disorder at times where the baby is born without a brain, techinically the cloning could go something like that, but in many ways, yes I would prefer a non-biological means of a "new-vessel" (something prosthetic). (There is also the syndrome which accerlates the aging of a child, so new organs would not help them.)

Also some people tend to forget that ethic is merely a matter of what turns of the stomach and what bothers I'm a very good example of that, and I apologize for not quite being able to see it in that light.

However, for some strange reason, I still think if science was given enough time, they could find a loophole in this morality/ethics when it pertains to cloning. After all, if they can create organs out of nothing, isn't a body merely a collection of these organs? Surely they can/could devise a way so that no "spirit" was murdered in the process.

-Still what qualifies as murder? By rigid techinicality, it is a biological shortening of a life...not the mind. People who are vegatables are not "dead" in the literal sense. Actually I don't even know the point of this extra statement, but I thought I would throw it out there.-

Yes, it could be possible to accelerate things, but again, the point is that if the body is a living being...it's alive. Sure, if it had no brain, it might just be a 'machine' in a way, but if it can be sentient and alive on its own, that is what I refer to as a murder.

Also, the only real way to accelerate growth and to be able to stop it would seem to be through understanding the 'aging' disease on the cellular level and figuring a cure for that. If one could do such, we could raise our own life expectancies quite a bit and then cloning would only be needed again...for organs and blood. So really, to me, clones to transfer thoughts to doesn't seem to be a necessity really in just about any fashion except perhaps when faced with the dilemma of some great physical trauma that is non-curable, like multiple sclerosis or arthritis that will just debilitate the person with pain. However, even now with stem cell research, they are making great discoveries on how to help vast neurological conditions like MS and Alzheimer's so I'm not sure really how much of transferring to another body people would need. I also cannot be sure that people could deal with a virtual immortality as it is. Look at how bad situations are with Social Security because of the huge population of elderly over the amount of other ages of people. Then again...if they could stay young, they could work. However, our whole society etc would have to be thought out for these eventualities and man, my mind just opened up a whole new can of worms.

[8730]

I read somewhere, or else someone told me, that our cells have a mehcanism that kills them. So our bodies are programmed to die =/ The only problem with raising the life expectancy (or making people 'immortal') and not sufficiently lowering the birth rate would be the massive over-crowding that would occur. There is a big enough problem now with all of the baby boomers retiring and there aren't enough people coming into work to pay for their pensions. This means taxes will go up =/

This could all lead to enforced euthanasia, like in Soylent Green............

[Gamefreak103]

I also forgot to mention this guy got this info from aliens.....yes, aliens. :/
(why did they let him have a show on the science channel?!!!)

[Zandyne]

I also forgot to mention this guy got this info from aliens.....yes, aliens. :/
(why did they let him have a show on the science channel?!!!)

Wherever, it doesn't really matter. It still created a topic of discussion.

(And I'm not one to be all ALIENS with the whole arm-flailing, I doubt we're the only living species but I also have HIGH DOUBTS that aliens would "tell him this"....Most likely I think he got the idea from a "biological USB" you know?)

[PAW]

Why would you want to live forever? All youd see is the world chang into a mankinds rubbish tip, for they only want life not death, and that is something mankind will never be able to stop, death comes for all, whether old or young, it all goes in one direction. All paths lead to a death.

[Lulus_Moogle]

It would just plain suck to live forever!! I mean come on!! Being imortal sounds cool but we know it wouldn't be. Think if you're the only one immortal you would see all you friends and family die and think of all the grief and if we all are immortal we would over populate teh earth. And that's not good either!!

[VI schemer]

Technically, you couldn't be immortal, what if you got killed normally? I don't see anything wrong with it though. It would just be awkward.

[MasterNightmare]

i think it's impossible. cause if you clone yourself,it's NOT you, it's a clone, there's only 1 of you, and no matter what, it's NEVER you. so it's impossible to be immortal, except through maybe...written record, or paintings, but that's not the exact "immortality" were talkin about. so no, impossible, cause it'll never be exactly you. no matter how perfect it may seem, it's just never exactly you.

[Hakurei Reimu]

Well I personally think it's a bad idea. Firstly, cloning is a huge process and lots of measures must be taken. Secondly, most countries banned cloning of Animals, so there'd be no reason y they would shift to humans anytime soon. Third, wat's the point of living forever? And Fourth, 1 word summary on y I don like the idea: Boredom!

[DarknessKingdom]

If you cloned yourself, it's not technically you. It's just a carbon copy of yourself. Not to mention it is more than likely that the clone would want their own identity and to walk their own journey in life.

[Catch the Rain]

You wouldn't be immortal though xD because even if it was an replicate of your DNA etc etc there would still be changes, sure they might have your "downloaded memories" but it still wouldn't be "you" it would be a copy of you. I personally find the idea of human cloning to be quite creepy 0_0

If you cloned yourself, it's not technically you. It's just a carbon copy of yourself. Not to mention it is more than likely that the clone would want their own identity and to walk their own journey in life.

..and that is ALSO a very good point.

experiences shape us and make us who we are, so the clone would become their own person anyway and no longer be like you.

[8730]

Many of the science fiction theories involve human shells being 'grown' having no cognitive ability and therefore no personality. Like a blank CD or something. It is just a storage medium. Then the personality, experiences, memories and everything else that makes you you is 'downloaded' (for lack of a better word) into the new body.

[PAW]

I have to say, trying to achieve cloning, just to clone things, is not what I call smart, I mean alot of people talking about cloning is talking about is people abusing it and creating armies of people to fight other people. a weaqpon of war really, not to mention the fact like others have said, the clone woul most probably want to be independent and its own person.

I aslo think the mental strain about being a clone would have to hurt, incredibly, just imagine you were told you were a clone, it just makes you feel worthless and used.

[8730]

That's another fact about science, it has many possible applications. Not all of them are good. There will always be less than savoury applications and we have to weigh them against the beneficial applications.

Like with nuclear power, they saw the benefits of power plants but there was also the threat of weapons. Unfortunately as it was during a period of war they went with the military side.

As for the mental strain it would be a consequence the person being cloned would have to accept. They would know the risks and the dangers, so it would be their choice to go ahead with it or not.

[PAW]

I have a quite open-minded science teacher at my school, he usually likes to research about intresting things about life on other planets, evolution, and so on, and recently he talked about cloning and about the mental strain on someone who is cloned, because though we have cloned other animals, a human brain would not receive knowledge of being cloned well, espicially if it was the first of its kind, because the human mind as he describes it is like a computer, which I talked to him abou a while ago, and if a computer recieves a distressing piece of information, like a deadly virus, to pritect its self it shuts dawn and that would most likely happen to a clone aswell.

[8730]

The brain does that with most forms of trauma. If you receive massive amounts of pain to a level you have never experienced before your brain will shut down to protect itself i.e. you pass out/faint.

With cloning they would have to have trials. It will proabably be the same as organ transplants. They will have drugs that increase the change of the doner organ being accepted by the body.

[daxma]

I just watched a show on the science channel, and some person says we can be immortal through cloning.

He says by cloning and then somehow download or existing mind into the new body, we can become immortal.

What do you think about this topic?First off,if i had a clone i'd leave it lead it's own life.Second off,A clones age excelerates by double every year so if you clone yourself age 14,next year it would be 28.Third off it is illegal to clone a human because the cloning might do something to the clones like give it a Disease or alter it's original DNA.If that does happen they can't kill the clone because thats murder.A frenchmen has aclaimed that he's cloned himself but nothings been proven.

[O R A N G E]

First off,if i had a clone i'd leave it lead it's own life.Second off,A clones age excelerates by double every year so if you clone yourself age 14,next year it would be 28.Third off it is illegal to clone a human because the cloning might do something to the clones like give it a Disease or alter it's original DNA.If that does happen they can't kill the clone because thats murder.A frenchmen has aclaimed that he's cloned himself but nothings been proven.

Wow, you're humane, but why not just have a child if you're going to do that? That would not make sense. The purpose of cloning is to duplicate yourself or another for the purpose of having them live longer or healthier than they normally would. So letting it lead it's own life would be pointless. As for the rest of your argument, I'd like to see sources, becuase I've never heard anything about a clone's age doubling like that or about any French person claiming to have cloned them self and I really don't believe it.

[Twilight's Rose]

Its useless to clone humans! The more humans we have, the more food we will consum more food than ever! It would be more smart to clone animals than cloning humans.

Why would someone wants to be cloned? Clones grow faster than normal humans, so it would be like every 5 years I would have a to buy a clone, and a clone ain't cheap ya know!

[Caetlin]

I agree that we should really clone animals over humans. We can use them as a food source. Cloning humans would just deplete the already dwindling resources we have.

[O R A N G E]

I agree that we should really clone animals over humans. We can use them as a food source. Cloning humans would just deplete the already dwindling resources we have.

But would you really want to eat a clone? What if it had some sort of genetic defect or something that affected us when we ate it?

Unless we could find some way to clone animals quicker than they reproduce naturally, than cloning them for a food source is no use.

I do agree, though, that cloning humans is a bad idea.

[Nymph of Destiny]

Well, first of all, cloning, which is probably similar to a surgical process, would have dangers and other such problems. So it wouldn't be very safe to use, especially on humans. Cloning animals might cause the same problem, so it'd be better not to clone anything or anyone. Also, it depends on what you need to use to clone, and if you're going to squander any of the limited, external resources we have. So, all in all, it'd be better not to clone.

[8730]

The cloning of humans would be used to create a ready supply of body parts for organ donation. It would (or at least should) not be used to create new life.

But there will always be those with a big enough ego who want to bring themselves up through childhood V.V

[JedininjaZC]

Jesus gives you everlasting life...

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XDDDDDD

AMEN to that brother
*gives high five*

Cloning to live foever is not a good idea. Cause how can ones soul be copied? it can't, u can copy DNA and all, but it will never work out. also will the clone have a spirit or memories? in short i think a clone will be a nobodie(orginaztion XIII xDDDDDD)

[Catch the Rain]

The cloning of humans would be used to create a ready supply of body parts for organ donation. It would (or at least should) not be used to create new life.

But there will always be those with a big enough ego who want to bring themselves up through childhood V.V

Cloning full stop is wrong, dude you can't clone a human just for spare body parts, thats a horrible way to think IMO. There are children whos characteristics etc are genetically engineered so that they can be organ doners/marrow doners etc for their siblings. Creating life just so that someone else can benefit from it, that to me just seems so wrong.

Humans have a lust for scientific advancement, a need to see how far we can go, but sometimes I think we have already started going too far.

[Kairi9020]

Humans are not ment to live forever. It just wouldn't be right. Even if it was just a clone. Imagine if a serial killer had a clone. And if we are some how supposed to "download" their mind into a clone, wouldn't have the same mental issue that caused the serial killer to kill? Also, I doubt a clone would be able to feel or actually think, even if it had somebody else's mind in them. It would probably have the memories of that person life in them and just repeat it. They would be doing excatly what the orignal person did while they were living.

[OneWingedHeartless]

Humans are not meant to live forever, Yet if you try Becoming Immortal by Cloning then that would just make it horribly wrong. Think of it as you were making another replica of your item then it breaks easier and is more imperfect than your original item, That would mean that nothing is meant to live forever even by cloning (Ex. Riku's Replika was never meant to be real so he was never meant to live forever and would someday vanish just like that) it's great being an immortal and all but you wouldn't have rest and you would just be walking by to people who can die and rest in peace while you can't by suffering the same paths over and over again. Humans should never tamper with things they don't know or might cause them harm or a miserable life.

[JedininjaZC]

Humans are not meant to live forever, Yet if you try Becoming Immortal by Cloning then that would just make it horribly wrong. Think of it as you were making another replica of your item then it breaks easier and is more imperfect than your original item, That would mean that nothing is meant to live forever even by cloning (Ex. Riku's Replika was never meant to be real so he was never meant to live forever and would someday vanish just like that) it's great being an immortal and all but you wouldn't have rest and you would just be walking by to people who can die and rest in peace while you can't by suffering the same paths over and over again. Humans should never tamper with things they don't know or might cause them harm or a miserable life.

indeed, what if hitler had a clone!!?? what would happen hmmmm.
Another holocaust against the world. Also WW2 would not be over if that happened. Also clonning an animal would make them stupider, cause they would all be the same, and driven into maddness. cloning not good, just look what happend to the JEDi!!lol(i know the jedi thing was unnecesarry)

[MARIExBRIARWOOD]

I am almost totally against cloning so this is rather ridiculous to me. I know all the advantages to cloning, and some would be nice to have, but because of how corrupt we as humans can be I would rather not have to deal with it.

The things I think we would take advantage of is this:

Organ donations - Say a human is cloned in all our likeness so that one day if we were on our deathbed we could get a nice healthy organ supply from them. Hello, has anyone heard of Dolly the sheep? She IS a sheep, but she does have her own sheepy life. She's even given birth to her own little lambs. So does that mean in the future its okay if we're dying to take organs from our clone who probably would have a mind and life of their own?

Clone slavery - This is more likely than the latter. To clone the more healthy, athletic humans with a lot of skills and desired traits for the military to make our own little slave clone army. That way we don't have to go to war, but they can be reared and trained their whole life to. Anyways, they're just a clone they have no soul or mind of their own, so who cares?

So, again I bring up Dolly. Genetically she is just like her "mother" but in all honestly, genetics aren't what make you who you are. I look just like my mom AND my dad in a nice even mixture, but I think NOTHING like either of them, though honestly I do act like my mom sometimes. I'm also a bit more mature than both both of my parents put together. I believe in God but I don't believe we all have our own little individual soul. I think we are given a part of one big soul the moment we are conceived. Is God so cruel that he would allow us to have the technology to create beings with no god and no little piece of soul? Or are we as humans just that cruel to create a being that is doomed to never walk in heaven or hell because they were never meant to be part of the cycle of life and death anyways?

No I do not believe our mind can be put into that of a clone to live forever. Dolly was a baby once, and now she's a mother sheep, soon she'll be a grandmother sheep and die and had lived a wonderful sheepy life. If clones are really clones, then they'll grow old with time and die just like we do.

[Darkwatch]

It's not like cloning hurts anyone, you know. :3

The being created from the person used for cloning will never have the same consciousness anyway. And the only reason people think it's "ethically" wrong is because people tell them it is. And the people instituting such judgment are taking life far too seriously in that case. Whether or not religion is right (since it's mostly religion saying it's wrong), there's no reason we don't have any reason not to know who we are and where we came from. :3

[MARIExBRIARWOOD]

Nice and valid points, Darkwatch =]

But I never had my parents or anyone else sit me down and tell me cloning is wrong. When we learned about cloning in Biology and whatnot the teacher didn't speak of it as if it were wrong. So I formed my opinions on my own based on my beliefs and how I think we would treat it in the future.

[Repliku]

It's not like cloning hurts anyone, you know. :3

The being created from the person used for cloning will never have the same consciousness anyway. And the only reason people think it's "ethically" wrong is because people tell them it is. And the people instituting such judgment are taking life far too seriously in that case. Whether or not religion is right (since it's mostly religion saying it's wrong), there's no reason we don't have any reason not to know who we are and where we came from. :3

I would disagree that 'cloning being wrong' in someone's mind is because others told them so. People do have free minds to think and examine things. After all, if we didn't, cloning wouldn't even be brought up in the first place and even people here are diverse on their opinions of it and it isn't just because of religion or parental units, school etc. We wouldn't have a lot of scientific theories even now if people didn't test the mold. Societies would stagnate much more and changes would be minimal if that's how it worked. Give some people credit that they can think here with their own minds. =:)

The point raised about Dolly the sheep is true. Dolly is her own entity, just as an identical twin is. Religion is really not the reason for a no to cloning beings to leave them there on ice so people can get body parts or put their mind memories into a clone and go on. That clone -is- its own being. The ethical point here is that should Dolly, who has her own life, be made to give organs to her 'original' being? Should Dolly have her own kids? Should Dolly's kids be the property more of the original being's? Should Dolly, who can think and do things on her own, have her own life written off so her original can go on? Dolly is not just a copy. An identical twin is not just a copy. The clones are separate beings. So should someone have the right to take over the life of another being even though they provided DNA to produce that person? It borders to me on saying that just because a mother has a child, should that mother have the right to take that child's life and supplant her consciousness into that child's? After all, a clone is a relation to the original person and would be younger.

I have nothing really against stem cell research but something that is already out and capable of living its own life seems a horrible waste to produce just so some jerks can live longer. I think a better aim of direction for cloning would be to consider the actual cloning of organs. We already can produce more skin from samples and such for burn victims. Some of the work leading doctors have done on burn victims is just amazing. It's sad many people won't see this treatment due to costs but it is incredible for those who do get it. Cloning from a person's DNA such things as organs themselves would seem a more positive direction than cloning a whole person for parts. As for the aging cloning dilemma, it seems to me that there are studies into the whole 'aging' process any way and as we humans go on, we are extending our durations of life as we raise our conditions of living to better and also learn more about diet, health, etc. Perhaps sometime we will figure out how to slow the 'aging disease' though I doubt we could ever halt it. These ideas though just seem more positive than the other option.

[EvilMan_89]

It's not like cloning hurts anyone, you know. :3

The being created from the person used for cloning will never have the same consciousness anyway. And the only reason people think it's "ethically" wrong is because people tell them it is. And the people instituting such judgment are taking life far too seriously in that case. Whether or not religion is right (since it's mostly religion saying it's wrong), there's no reason we don't have any reason not to know who we are and where we came from. :3

actually you're wrong. i read somewhere that the clones all die after a while for an unknown reason. some of them die after 5 years of being creaing, some 7, but it's usually around 4-12 years. they die MUCH sooner than the real life span of the original. so the clones are the ones being hurt really. i am curious to know why they die untimely.



Cloning full stop is wrong, dude you can't clone a human just for spare body parts, thats a horrible way to think IMO. There are children whos characteristics etc are genetically engineered so that they can be organ doners/marrow doners etc for their siblings. Creating life just so that someone else can benefit from it, that to me just seems so wrong.

Humans have a lust for scientific advancement, a need to see how far we can go, but sometimes I think we have already started going too far.

yes, that IS wrong, especially if we steal body parts from them. even if they are slaves, that is still wrong. benefiting from it in any way is wrong

[Number13Roxas]

Playing god will result in drastic consequences, over populationand what about the clones, aren't they human also?

[Starry :D]

I hate the idea of cloning PERIOD. I think it's wrong and unhumain. Just the thought of it is wrong. How do we even know that Cloning will actually work, since they will HAVE to test and if it goes wrong, people die from experimenting cloning. It's just ugh... and it ruins the population, we would be over populated and destroy the cycle of life by cheating death..

[Dredica]

Excuse my launge, (lol probably didn't spell that right but w/e) hell no! I mean, even if you mind could be downloaded, and it would go into a differant body, then your body still dies. You are inside your body. You body dies, you die. And just what Evil said, the mind isn't something that can be downloaded. lol kind of reminds me of Ansem from kh2 :P

I hate the idea of cloning PERIOD. I think it's wrong and unhumain. Just the thought of it is wrong. How do we even know that Cloning will actually work, since they will HAVE to test and if it goes wrong, people die from experimenting cloning. It's just ugh... and it ruins the population, we would be over populated and destroy the cycle of life by cheating death..

Umm, they have tested it, but not on humans. Sorry if that's what you meant, but yeah that have tested it, and it works. I read in a time magazine, that they said they were selling cloned meat o_O weird huh?

[EvilMan_89]

if we allow the person to live their life however they want to i guess there's nothing wrong with it. but they'll die much sooner than the real life span of a real human

[Dredica]

Where have you heard that^?

[Darkwatch]

I would disagree that 'cloning being wrong' in someone's mind is because others told them so. People do have free minds to think and examine things. After all, if we didn't, cloning wouldn't even be brought up in the first place and even people here are diverse on their opinions of it and it isn't just because of religion or parental units, school etc. We wouldn't have a lot of scientific theories even now if people didn't test the mold. Societies would stagnate much more and changes would be minimal if that's how it worked. Give some people credit that they can think here with their own minds. =:) I meant "usually someone tells them it is," because most of the population isn't too completely aware of it. And even if they are, a lot of the time (usually) it's a brief idea of it. Sorry about that.

actually you're wrong. i read somewhere that the clones all die after a while for an unknown reason. some of them die after 5 years of being creaing, some 7, but it's usually around 4-12 years. they die MUCH sooner than the real life span of the original. so the clones are the ones being hurt really. i am curious to know why they die untimely.
Um, I can't recall me talking about whether clones are completely human/realistically living or not... That's the least of my concerns in the matter. Yes, I do care about the person like I would anyone else, but the concept of cloning is what I am focusing on. And whether or not people think it is right or wrong. Allowing people to make that judgment is up to them, of course. But if it's such a problem then they should probably just not try and worry about it and let the people who do care work on it. It wouldn't even have to be a secret, it'd just be there. If you're interested, go for it. If not, well... whatever.

But that kind of nirvana society that respects cloning is never going to happen so... blah. xD

[Dredica]

Hmm... I do wonder how cloining actually really works. I still doubt they could download the mind, but maybe they could put the brain's knowlage into files, and kinda put them into the other clones brain? I know that sounds stupid, but I'm really not that smart when it comes to clones.

[EvilMan_89]

Where have you heard that^?
many news reports and online news too. i a big fan of watching the news, except for news about celebrities, i just change the channel (i could care less about those attention whores XD)
Hmm... I do wonder how cloining actually really works. I still doubt they could download the mind, but maybe they could put the brain's knowlage into files, and kinda put them into the other clones brain? I know that sounds stupid, but I'm really not that smart when it comes to clones.
they take a few cells from the original, then nurture it and allow it to survive long enough to turn into a new living being. they do something else to it so that it will multiply faster but i not sure what

[Xendran]

A cloned human would still not have a human life though. due to it not being a creature, simply a recreation of memories and logic put inside of a body, it would simply belike an aminal. it would base and act out everything on human logic, like an animal acts on instinct.

[captainflam]

I just watched a show on the science channel, and some person says we can be immortal through cloning.

He says by cloning and then somehow download or existing mind into the new body, we can become immortal.

What do you think about this topic?

2 twins are not the same persons; 2 clones aren't for the same reason. Scientists have today no real idea how matters consciousness relates to body so it's very farfetched to envision this as long as we can't solve this mystery ... which is THE one mystery of life: we would become God if we knew how to create or even isolate consciousness.

[JedininjaZC]

Where have you heard that^?

It is a theory, like i heard from starwars that the clones lifespan whent faster by two.
I also think it is just a funny thing to add in sci fi i guess.

2 twins are not the same persons; 2 clones aren't for the same reason. Scientists have today no real idea how matters consciousness relates to body so it's very farfetched to envision this as long as we can't solve this mystery ... which is THE one mystery of life: we would become God if we knew how to create or even isolate consciousness.

Humans are dangerous enough as they are, giving them 'godly' powers like immortality would make us more dangerous. cloneing is a bad idea, no matter what, cloning anything living thing ruins someone/s life.
As i said before a clone would not have a soul and/or spirit, so it would never be the same as you, and if you were a criminal, you would be more heartless than before.

A cloned human would still not have a human life though. due to it not being a creature, simply a recreation of memories and logic put inside of a body, it would simply belike an aminal. it would base and act out everything on human logic, like an animal acts on instinct.

That is exactly what i think. it would only copy dna and logic.
nothing deep like a soul. but are you saying the clones would be closer to the sixth sense than the original??

[White_Rook]

As i said before a clone would not have a soul and/or spirit, so it would never be the same as you, and if you were a criminal, you would be more heartless than before.


This is all under the assumption that the soul and consciousness are two different things, and that's an entire debate altogether. If a person is cloned and they do feel pain, feel empathy, and generally feel, who is anyone to judge that they are not the same same as you or I?

[JedininjaZC]

This is all under the assumption that the soul and consciousness are two different things, and that's an entire debate altogether. If a person is cloned and they do feel pain, feel empathy, and generally feel, who is anyone to judge that they are not the same same as you or I?

True but this is the debate corner is it not?
but you bring up a good argument.
so what is the differnce between a consciousnes and a soul?
soul-the immaterial part of a person; the actuating cause of an individual life
conscience-motivation deriving logically from ethical or moral principles that govern a person's thoughts and actions

sounds like a bit of differance.

[#1 DinestyX]

Hmm... I do wonder how cloining actually really works. I still doubt they could download the mind, but maybe they could put the brain's knowlage into files, and kinda put them into the other clones brain? I know that sounds stupid, but I'm really not that smart when it comes to clones.

I honestly don't think it would be right just to make a clone simply to put your brain in it to continue your own life. you would be cheating the clone out of a life!!!

how can people justefy cheating the clone out of a life

[lostheart]

To be honest, mortals cannot become impossible. We, as humans, have got it in our heads that Death itself is a bad thing, but in reality, it's great. We're only supposed to live for so long, there's a reason we die.

[Solid Snake]

well u rly wouldnt be imortal ur clone would just be a copy...
the fact is you would still die and thats that :\
besides being immortal is so over rated

I honestly don't think it would be right just to make a clone simply to put your brain in it to continue your own life. you would be cheating the clone out of a life!!!

how can people justefy cheating the clone out of a life
How bout we just live our lives and not play God?

[Crumpet]

Hmmm I actually hope that doesn't happen, cloning to become immortal

I mean think about it... it will be like more people to feed, clothe, house, theyr'e wouldnt be enough suplies and we'd starve and freeze

And come on, if a bully clones his/herself they'red be twice the b****ing, wouldn't it?

[*TwilightNight*]

To be honest, mortals cannot become impossible. We, as humans, have got it in our heads that Death itself is a bad thing, but in reality, it's great. We're only supposed to live for so long, there's a reason we die.

I truly agree. Science has gotten very far to the point where discoveries like cloning is only to help them to never die, and reached the fact that they can live longer. We aren't God(s), and I don't agree with this, I don't agree on cloning, period. I would never like someone that looks like me, not to mention a copy, to keep living for myself. They need to let it go, yet, I think humanity's greatest fear is Death, and are trying to prevent it as much as possible, hence, they keep going.

I fear dying, but I know everyone has to some day, is the way of life and nature, we're born, we live, we die. Trying to change it will only cause not only overpopulation, but a rift (not that there aren't ones, we're already on Global Warming, but that's another topic).

[Zandyne]

What's to say cloning isn't merely the next step of replacing limbs that were never there? After all the body is made of flesh, but we are making progress in replacing it with mechnical appendages (those who have needed it thus far anyway). Yes I know this is an odd point considering it regards immortality, but I'm looking at this for merely life-extending purposes. For some reason you all seem to have the idea that just because something that can be used as a replacement comes in a fuller form makes it suddenly immoral.

To be completely objective (or as others may read as utterly cynical and cold), we are merely masses of celluar material which are trying to survive. If we, as a species have acquired a means of extending our lifespans we are technically fufilling that goal.

Anyway as for a more moral standing, we've yet to have defined a soul much less what it takes to really "have" a soul. Given that cloning is in on itself a rather astounding feat, we don't have much to fear about it given a majority of the population would probably not be able to afford it anyway.

Also people on their"immortality is wrong"/ life-extending high horses, quick, abandon modern medicine! By technicality all of the successes of modern medicine were brought to you through various procedures that could be considered immoral by your same standards (how do you think they test the effectiveness of the drug?).

Blah blah blaaaah.

[Repliku]

What's to say cloning isn't merely the next step of replacing limbs that were never there? After all the body is made of flesh, but we are making progress in replacing it with mechnical appendages (those who have needed it thus far anyway). Yes I know this is an odd point considering it regards immortality, but I'm looking at this for merely life-extending purposes. For some reason you all seem to have the idea that just because something that can be used as a replacement comes in a fuller form makes it suddenly immoral.

To be completely objective (or as others may read as utterly cynical and cold), we are merely masses of celluar material which are trying to survive. If we, as a species have acquired a means of extending our lifespans we are technically fufilling that goal.

Anyway as for a more moral standing, we've yet to have defined a soul much less what it takes to really "have" a soul. Given that cloning is in on itself a rather astounding feat, we don't have much to fear about it given a majority of the population would probably not be able to afford it anyway.

Also people on their"immortality is wrong"/ life-extending high horses, quick, abandon modern medicine! By technicality all of the successes of modern medicine were brought to you through various procedures that could be considered immoral by your same standards (how do you think they test the effectiveness of the drug?).

Blah blah blaaaah.

The discussion for 'Soul' doesn't have to be anywhere in this convo from a scientific point of view. A clone of a person is a NEW person. It is not just a carbon copy. There is enough proof on it. That person has its own life just as every animal ever cloned has its own life and can live just fine whether the original is around, dies etc. So to make a clone of someone and just use it for parts or to somehow transfer the consciousness of the being to the other person is wrong in my book, simply because that new person is a new life and why should it be stuck with someone else's life being implanted in it. Kinda sucks. Or why worse yet should it sit around and be used for parts?

I really am under the impression that if we can clone, we should be able to clone things like -blood- and organs and not even need whole bodies to do so.

As for the immortality thing, eh, I really don't care about that. If it happened that we figured a cure for -aging- suddenly, we would. If there was a cure for aging somehow found, I don't know if a bunch of religious people would say that's just as evil as other things, but how many would hop on the bandwagon to take it, thus making themselves much longer lived unless some other ailment kicks their butts? Remember that cures for ailments in the past have been considered taboo and yet found to work and we use them today. I just think that cloning bodies which could live their own lives, supplanting the mind/memories of the other person over it is like choosing between identical twins who gets to live or not. It cannot be denied in science that this clone is -not- capable of being its own person. Everything in science contradicts that. We have proof of tons of cloned animals.

[Zandyne]

The discussion for 'Soul' doesn't have to be anywhere in this convo from a scientific point of view. A clone of a person is a NEW person. It is not just a carbon copy. There is enough proof on it. That person has its own life just as every animal ever cloned has its own life and can live just fine whether the original is around, dies etc. So to make a clone of someone and just use it for parts or to somehow transfer the consciousness of the being to the other person is wrong in my book, simply because that new person is a new life and why should it be stuck with someone else's life being implanted in it. Kinda sucks. Or why worse yet should it sit around and be used for parts?

I really am under the impression that if we can clone, we should be able to clone things like -blood- and organs and not even need whole bodies to do so.

As for the immortality thing, eh, I really don't care about that. If it happened that we figured a cure for -aging- suddenly, we would. If there was a cure for aging somehow found, I don't know if a bunch of religious people would say that's just as evil as other things, but how many would hop on the bandwagon to take it, thus making themselves much longer lived unless some other ailment kicks their butts? Remember that cures for ailments in the past have been considered taboo and yet found to work and we use them today. I just think that cloning bodies which could live their own lives, supplanting the mind/memories of the other person over it is like choosing between identical twins who gets to live or not. It cannot be denied in science that this clone is -not- capable of being its own person. Everything in science contradicts that. We have proof of tons of cloned animals.

Maybe, but then again we keep comatose people on life support. We also technically desecrate bodies to remove the organs for organ donations. We're also human, so not all of us are ever on the same page when it comes to seeing the means to meet certain ends.

In my opinion, reproducing an entire body would be procedural if say...as an example someone was to be caught in a car accident and are rendered paralyzed from the neck down. Some would find a new body to be a somewhat sensible way to "cure" it. Another is that cloning is merely replication, what if the cloned body excluded the brain? Does it still have a life if the intent for life was never there? Cloning organs is the same as cloning the body if not in smaller bits. The cloned organ could have been intended to have been part of the nonexistant clone body, does that make it wrong? Maybe I've phrased that oddly:

It's the human illusion of something animate vs something inanimate. An arm or stomach that is cloned seems to be overall deemed "ok" but a cloned body with no brain seems to be deemed immoral, I wonder why. Essentially, what makes a cloned arm/stomach missing a body more acceptable than a cloned body missing a brain?

Hopefully my questioning point will be understood this time.

[Repliku]

Maybe, but then again we keep comatose people on life support. We also technically desecrate bodies to remove the organs for organ donations. We're also human, so not all of us are ever on the same page when it comes to seeing the means to meet certain ends.

In my opinion, reproducing an entire body would be procedural if say...as an example someone was to be caught in a car accident and are rendered paralyzed from the neck down. Some would find a new body to be a somewhat sensible way to "cure" it. Another is that cloning is merely replication, what if the cloned body excluded the brain? Does it still have a life if the intent for life was never there? Cloning organs is the same as cloning the body if not in smaller bits. The cloned organ could have been intended to have been part of the nonexistant clone body, does that make it wrong? Maybe I've phrased that oddly:

It's the human illusion of something animate vs something inanimate. An arm or stomach that is cloned seems to be overall deemed "ok" but a cloned body with no brain seems to be deemed immoral, I wonder why. Essentially, what makes a cloned arm/stomach missing a body more acceptable than a cloned body missing a brain?

Hopefully my questioning point will be understood this time.

If a body was cloned with -no brain- then it would not be able to exist on its own so therefore it isn't on the same level as cloning a person as they are speaking of that has a fully functional brain and overwriting the being's mind with memories and all from another person. That is why I say it is going farther than it should. If a body possesses no way of surviving on its own because it has no brain, to me the discussion changes. However, just putting a fully functional being with a fully functioning brain into existence so that someone else can live, when that clone could seems very callous to me and selfish.

There are people that would say cloning body parts, such as skin, blood, organs, would be wrong but I would disagree with that. My only line I really have to draw is on the fact that a living clone could do fine and live life on its own developing but instead now loses its own existence to that of someone else. Also, we don't know what repercussions this would have on the clone or if the procedure could be done properly at all considering this has not even been accomplished yet on a cloned animal. There could be mental breaking down as well or any number of hormonal issues etc. A clone will be made to hold the memory and life of some former person in it, and people's bodies do change through time and all even as they learn and adapt by life. The brain is very affected by this. So, even though it is theorized as possible, I can see there could be serious drawbacks. I think -cloning- in itself is necessary if we are to be able to do things, just as I believe stem cell research is, but I don't really think this angle of supplanting someone's mind into a clone is really what should be on the top of the list to do when pertaining to cloning. There are so many other things we could do instead that would benefit humanity better.

[godzilla3456]

I've watched this show a few months back on posibly cloning people, they said in the next 50 years they will be able to transfer all of your brain into a huge data file that can be programed into robots, computers, mobile divices or almost anything!

But who knows if it could be done, and if it could would it be natural to see your great great great grandson graduate from college?

But if we could we would never worring about diseases, food shortage or having to learn anything. And space travel could be limitless (you could go on forever with no food or air).

But the whole global community would change food would be pointless, air would be pointless, shelter would be pointless, ect. But the only thing that would be of any value is a power source.

[11jones2]

you should try to be immotal what is the point in living forever you would hav eto be their in war in stuff

[Ṧnoῳ]

I just watched a show on the science channel, and some person says we can be immortal through cloning.

He says by cloning and then somehow download or existing mind into the new body, we can become immortal.

What do you think about this topic?

it wouldn't work for very lng, because of all the genetic deffects that would occur inside of he genes and cells..... after the first few times, the genetic codes would start to break down and would look like mutations.....

[childofturin]

There are 6 billion people on the planet and the number is climbing. We are nearing the carrying capacity of Earth with our current technology, if we haven't passed it already. Now, if you start making people basically immortal, or even if you just double the human lifespan, the Earth will be in VERY serious trouble. Besides, the human public would never accept the fact that some (most likely the super-rich) people could be immortal. There would be riots in the streets, civil unrest, financial ruin, and anarchy reigning anywhere this practice would be implemented. I think it is theoretically possible to grow a new body exactly like your own (minus whatever traits you picked up in life - scars, weight, etc), but I highly doubt that anyone, even with unlimited funding would be able to transfer someone's consciousness like that. Hell, we don't even know where the consciousness of a person is!

I think that cloning, with a few more advances in the technology, could be most effective in jump-starting existing endangered species. Think about it: We take a few animals, say... Chimpanzees, clone say... 15 specimens about 100 times each (1500 new animals) while jumbling up the genes and traits for each one (to avoid genetic diseases later through inbreeding), and voila! We now have 1500 new, distinct chimps to add to the wild population! The same process could be applied to any other endangered species, and theoretically, any species we could find DNA for - the Dodo. The Mammoth. Neanderthal Man (Homo neandertalensis)? Maybe, but not advisable. The giant sloth. Other, recently-extinct species (ones that we ourselves killed). All these could possibly be revived.

I've watched this show a few months back on posibly cloning people, they said in the next 50 years they will be able to transfer all of your brain into a huge data file that can be programed into robots, computers, mobile divices or almost anything!

Now THIS, I could see happening - an almost limitless store of past human existance that the humans of centuries later could draw from, as long as the devices to store us didn't fail.

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There are 6 billion people on the planet and the number is climbing. We are nearing the carrying capacity of Earth with our current technology, if we haven't passed it already. Now, if you start making people basically immortal, or even if you just double the human lifespan, the Earth will be in VERY serious trouble. Besides, the human public would never accept the fact that some (most likely the super-rich) people could be immortal. There would be riots in the streets, civil unrest, financial ruin, and anarchy reigning anywhere this practice would be implemented. I think it is theoretically possible to grow a new body exactly like your own (minus whatever traits you picked up in life - scars, weight, etc), but I highly doubt that anyone, even with unlimited funding would be able to transfer someone's consciousness like that. Hell, we don't even know where the consciousness of a person is!

I think that cloning, with a few more advances in the technology, could be most effective in jump-starting existing endangered species. Think about it: We take a few animals, say... Chimpanzees, clone say... 15 specimens about 100 times each (1500 new animals) while jumbling up the genes and traits for each one (to avoid genetic diseases later through inbreeding), and voila! We now have 1500 new, distinct chimps to add to the wild population! The same process could be applied to any other endangered species, and theoretically, any species we could find DNA for - the Dodo. The Mammoth. Neanderthal Man (Homo neandertalensis)? Maybe, but not advisable. The giant sloth. Other, recently-extinct species (ones that we ourselves killed). All these could possibly be revived.



Now THIS, I could see happening - an almost limitless store of past human existance that the humans of centuries later could draw from, as long as the devices to store us didn't fail.

yes childofturin is right, when we start making people immortal, there are some serious consequences, we need people to die for others to live and for us to move forward.... if you like this sort of mae up idea, watch: Aeon Flux, and The Sixth Day