Kingdom Hearts: Birth By Sleep Discussion

[Darkwatch]

This is the one I'm uberly anticipating, and hoping to turn out the best out of all the three.

Post idea's and discuss anything about the game in here!

[liamx2000]

well it says that the sleeping beauty world might be in it, so we might see how Maleficent gathered all the villans from kh 1 since this game is set in the past just an idea .

[godzilla3456]

well it looked like kingdom hearts grew some chest hair for this one with better graphics, posible better plot, (hopfuly) rated T.

[Lord Knight Xiron]

I read that its gonna be about Terra, Aqua, and Ven searching for Master Xehanort and his apprentice.

So, I guess its safe to assume now that Baldy is Master Xehanort and the creepy spiderman dude is his apprentice. Perhaps that is the Xehanort we all know.

PS: Terra's normal outfit looks so tight.

[Sorax]

Well this new game, which is the before time, and as liamx2000 said, a rumor that sleeping beauty is in that time, I'm guessing Malificient had some plots before

I'm really anxious about this game

[Ultima-Sora]

Dude, are you kidding me? This games going to kick videogame BUTTOCKS!

[Roxasvsriku]

This is the one I'm uberly anticipating, and hoping to turn out the best out of all the three.

Post idea's and discuss anything about the game in here!

Same here, the PsP is my only hope... (I don't have a DS or freakin jap. cell phone) >.>

Anyway, it's difficult to find any imformation yet about this game... (besides 1up's "preview", but that didn't do too much for me...).

[Spitfire]

Yea I am glad about this PSP thing, I am really happy they are keeping the same command system I think that worked out really well. And yea we know that its about them, I am just wondering how they came to be, that is something that I can't wait for. And how they were choosen by the keyblades.

[Repliku]

I must say this is the game I really am hoping to play the most out of all 3, as it looks like the one with the most depth and plot to it. Also, Sleeping Beauty's world will be interesting to see, and I hope they show some others too.

[Oerba Yun Fang]

I'm gonna have to save up all my pennies for a PSP. I think they should bring the game out with a special edtion PSP. (just for me :P)

This is probably the game out of all three i'm most excited about. The graphics look like they have been pushed to the limit. And i'm wanting to know more about the knigts!

[willi_211191]

hey guys!
ok, i already post this, but ill post it again here
I think theres a connection with Terra and Sora.
I say this because in the "trailer description" there is in the news, theres a scene where Terra sees Sora and Riku playing in the beach together as kids, right?
he then said: "forget about me"
maybe he is like his father or something?? maybe brother?
but im not sure though

[blacknumbers]

I want this game so badly, but i don't have a psp, so i will get a very used one just to buy it!

the ironic thing is that it is not my favorite of the three, kingdom hearts: 358/2 days is........

[thugondarel]

This game is gonna be crazy!! I wonder how far back the game is gonna be. Probably like 3-5 years or something?

[Gamefreak103]

I can't wait for this game, it might be the only reason for me to buy a PSP. XD
(if I ever get one...)

[Xephos]

For some reason, rumors say that there are Pixar characters like The Incredibles and toy story is going to be in it.

[Fayaz]

well it sucks for me that I can't get any of the new games cuz I dont have the systems. I dont got a PSP,DS,i do have a Mobile Phone but its gonna get complicated so not gonna bother for it. btw are the Games coming out in Japan or in U.S? because when I checked it said To Be Announced/Japan. so im kinda confused here.

[Akino]

Well, I'm really anticipated right now. Since I have two out of the three systems all three games are coming out for. The only reason I'll get Birth By Sleep is because of Terra. @_@ Aqua and Ven are cool, but we don't know much about them so... Terra all the way. I'm really glad I have a DS and PSP so I can save up for both games and a PS3!

[SoulSlayer]

Can't wait for this game! It's definitely my favorite of the 3, and one of the 2 I'm actually gonna buy. I don't have a PSP yet, but I already started saving up for it (a bit soon, but oh well...). Can't wait to play as Terra and wield one of those badass "fake" keyblades. Hopefully there will be screenshots soon.

[Gamefreak103]

For some reason, rumors say that there are Pixar characters like The Incredibles and toy story is going to be in it.

I hope, I want to see some Pixar action! :D

[Alpha Sonix]

I want the Princess of Heart Worlds in it, I think these worlds are pretty much confirmed.
- Olympus Collesium
- Sleeping Beauty World
- Destiny Islands
- Radiant Garden ( I think.)

[Spitfire]

Hey I want to throw something out really quick, Noruma said that the knights are part of a new game title seperate from Kingdom Hearts...well apparently birth by sleep is obviously part of the KH series as reported in TGS. So I am seeing two planes of thought here, if it was not supposed to be a KH title, then why are the knights part of Birth by Sleep.

[Alpha Sonix]

Here's news from Kingdom Hearts Insider.


Great news! FF&KH, a Japanese blog, was kind enough to provide their own summaries of the trailers for Kingdom Hearts: Birth By Sleep, Kingdom Hearts: Coded, and Kingdom Hearts: 358/2 Days. Tomo from KHN was kind enough to provide translations of these latest summaries, which provide hoards of new information that numerous other sites left out. Check it out below!
Kingdom Hearts: Coded (Mobile Phones) Trailer Summary:

-The title "KINGDOM HEARTS NEW CONCEPTS, NEW TITLES" is displayed with the beginning image in a form of waves.
-It shows the ending scene of Kingdom Hearts II. Sora, Riku, Kairi, Donald, and Goofy are in Destiny Islands' playing and laughing together in the water.
-The words appear:
"Flow of time."
"The secret is solved."
"The world extends."
-It begins with an image of Jiminy Cricket narrating the scenes. (FF&KH user notes that the words that are placed down as Jiminy speaks are made to look very vague.)
-Jiminy Cricket: "My two journals are completed. One of them became blank because of Castle Oblivion. The words that were written in the journal said, 'Give thanks to Namine' .........eh?"
-One strange sentence that was written in Jiminy's Journal that should have become blank by KH:CoM: "It is necessary to return to healing their wounds."
-Jiminy finds the strange sentences and reports them to the King in a panicking manner.
-King: "He is the only one who is able to solve this mystery."
-Jiminy: "I think so too."
-Sora appears standing on Destiny Islands. A special effect surrounds Sora's body looking like he's being forwarded by a computer which momentarily hangs.
-~Battle scene begins~
-The Heartless attack. Sora is shown moving a pile of blocks.
-Are there a variety of mini game elements such as puzzle games built in?
-In "Debugging mode", Sora's movement quickens, and various actions join together when a command is executed. (Is it like the reaction command triangle button of KHII?)
-The scene, from the Original Kingdom Hearts, in which Sora enters Traverse Town is shown. Pluto tries to lick Sora's face and Sora wakes up in the back of the alley in Traverse Town.
-Sora chases Pluto and runs to the center of the town.
-Sora: "Here is where...?" He remembers Traverse Town from the original KH. (It's a bit different. although, it sure looks like the beginning scene of Traverse Town.)
-The King comes out of the back of the alley with a hand held up and walks toward Sora. (The King is in his usual clothing and not the clothes of the Org. XIII.)
-King: "Sora, I was here on that day. Let me speak the truth."

Kingdom Hearts: 358/2 Days (DS) Trailer Summary:

-The ending scene of KH Re:CoM is shown. Sora is seen sleeping in order to regain his memory.
-Words appear:
"The other side is returning to Sora to sleep."
"Whenever crossing, the mind comes back."
-The scene of Roxas and Axel are shown sitting on the clock tower of Twilight Town.
-(Tomo's note: Taking this from Game Watch's post because it's the exact same thing here.) Roxas and Axel are watching the evening sun from the clock tower at the station as usual. The duty of the two people, who belong to the Organization, is to deal with the Heartless and to collect "Hearts". They always meet in the clock tower at this station at the end of each duty. They talk about their duties, while eating [sea-salt] ice cream together. -Axel: "The sunset, do we know why it's to be red?"
Axel: "It is anything because it reaches until there are some colors in its light, and especially red which is the furthest color."
Roxas: "Why is Axel in a good mood?"
-The scene changes to inside the white room where Roxas is with the other Org. XIII members being introduced.
-It seems, this is the scene where Roxas enters the Organization.
-Axel and Saix are talking about Castle Oblivion.
Saix: "There is a member in Castle Oblivion who is a betrayer."
Szix: "Erase him as soon as we find him."
Axel: "Is this really an instruction from Xemnas?"
Does Saix's expression deepen?
-The King meets a man with a black hood in the forest.
-The King looks mysterious himself. (He is wearing his black hood appearance.)
-The King is surprised and pulls out his keyblade momentarily, at the same time, pulls down his hood.
-~Battle Scene~
-Roxas is manipulated, and the Heartless are being knocked down. The operation to glide is possible to be used in the air.
-In addition, the scene that have the members of the Org. XIII members struggling in a joint battle seems to be the first multi-player of the KH series.
-The screen appears to be divided into four, and the players are able to operate Roxas, Xigbar, Saix, and Axel.
-Xemans is talking the white room where the Organization XIII are gathered.
-The Org. members are all with deep expressions.
-Xemans: "A new companion came to join us. ....... It is the the 14th."
-The pereson who is called the 14th in appearance is a girl who is wearing a black hood. Her face isn't able to be seen.
-Axel and Roxas are flying/hopping on the roofs of houses of Twilight Town.
-Roxas: "...Ahead of me, I see Xemnas...." (FF&KH user notes that his/her memory is vague about this part.)
-Roxas looks at the sunset on the clock tower again: "I will disappear from this world in 151 days."

Kingdom Hearts: Birth By Sleep (PSP) Trailer Summary:

-The beginning scene is from the ending of KH to its opening.
-"Sleep gives birth to the concealed fate in the far past."
-The boy with different clothes, and has the same face as Roxas, is talking to the person known as Terra who has dark hair. The boy who looks like Roxas is called "Ven" by Tera.
-"Are you the one who, at one time, saved me?"
-"Ah, promise." (FF&KH user notes that this conversation is very vague.)
-Tera is shown to continuously face the elderly man who appeared in the Secret Movie of KHII:FM+ in the wilderness. (The voice and appearance of Xehanort is quite different from his appearance in KH although, the elderly man is called "Xehanort".)
-Terra calls out the keyblade in his right hand. The effect is the same as the man in armor of mystery who "stays put thoughtfully" that appeared in KHII:FM+. Same person?
-Though Tera is hostile towards the elderly person, Xehanort, and the words spoken were used before in the defense of Roxas. (FF&KH blog user can't recall what though.)
-Xehanort meets Ven (Roxas?) in the Olympus Coliseum. (Additionally, the forest from Sleeping Beauty's world is confirmed!)
-(It is considerably vague of what the elderly man's final words say.)
Ven: "Who? I don't know you."
Elderly man: "Only soon, will you know, and you are asleep."
Elderly man: "The one that was lost was to lose, and the one to be obtained was obtained."
Elderly man: "You must grab and take it now." The elderly man waves his hand in a movement as if to summon magic.
Ven (Roxas?) watches with an expression that becomes confused and fear.
-Afterwards, the world of the wilderness appears again.
-The person wearing a black helmet and black clothes (person who appeared in KHII:FM+'s Secret Movie) encounters Ven.
-The person of mystery blows off Ven.
-The King summons and uses the keyblade to momentarily protect a fallen Ven. Is the King wearing clothing that haven't been seen so far?
-The scene has changed completely to the wilderness, and this time, the elderly man starts to appeal for something.
Elderly man: "Please, I ask of you to correct my mistake!" (FF&KH user can't remember what else because the man does say more than this.)
-Terra is watching the coast. (Coast of Destiny Islands?)
-There are two boys who are playing using wooden swords and Tera watches from a grove. (Sora and perhaps, Riku?)
-Ven is watching from a similar coast. This place isn't Destiny Islands. It's Twilight Town.
""Because he's my friend, please erase me."

[Mirai]

Here's news from Kingdom Hearts Insider.

That is what we call Engrish.

Even though it's the deepest level of grammar Hell, it's still interesting.

[Gamefreak103]

Here's news from Kingdom Hearts Insider.

Now if only I could watch these trailers.....

[Roxasvsriku]

Thanks for that Kingdom-fan, it helps a lot. I agree with gamefreak, it would be nice for them to throw in some trailers and release dates in there.

[HigherBeing]

Mrow. That whole 'Birth by sleep'.

Lolo, the KH games, started with birth by sleep.

This would be like... the absolute first beginning of it all. Square one.

And yeah, some trailers would be nice. But we've got text and I'm okay with that.

[Alpha Sonix]

You know, the title was right in front of me, when I watched the Secret Ending on FM+ it said it all begins with birth by Sleep. I mean I did think the title would be called Birth By Sleep, I put it down with numerous titles (some were jokes), but I didn't actually think they would use it as a title.

[HigherBeing]

Lol, you're right, me too.

But it's not only the title, you know, it does have that original symbolism in there, too. I guess they wanted to go both ways.

[ShadowMancer]

I bet Ven has something to do with Sora, Terra has something to do with Riku, and Aqua has something to do with Kairi, but it's only a guess.

[HigherBeing]

Yeah, I think it's rather concluded that they probably do...

[Roxas]

This is the game I am personally the most excited about. I really hope they keep the battle system the same.

Nice avatar, HB!

[Gamefreak103]

This is the game I am personally the most excited about. I really hope they keep the battle system the same.

Nice avatar, HB!

If they change the system, then the game would feel strange.
I wonder if it will stay the same?

[Spitfire]

I remember reading a TGS report that says the battle system is basicly the same, I think they may make a few tweaks to it, but for the most part it should be the same. Plus the battle system is KH is really good in my opinion, you have to be quick and know where your stuff is.

[Luxord93]

Only changes would be like the lock on buttons (Theres only One "R" button and one"L" button.)

[Number13Roxas]

Out of all three games this one has the best Potential award by me. Roxas might have some tricks up his sleeve but virtual Sora looks disappointing to me. Compared to Terra who we know nothing about other than his hatred of Xehanort being the only reason he exists. Plus I don't have a Cell Phone that can play the game probably, and I don't have (nor want) a DS.

[HigherBeing]

If they're smart, which they probably are, they'll enhance the system for the better.


This is the game I am personally the most excited about. I really hope they keep the battle system the same.

Nice avatar, HB!

:3 Why thank you.

[Kosmy_strife]

The secret ending in kingdom hearts 2 and kingdom hearts 2 final mix where there are the 3 armored keyblade masters are from the game kingdom Hearts: Birth by sleep , that will be for PSP platform. Right?

[Spitfire]

Yes Birth by Sleep is a prequel to the KH series. Where the story focuses on the knights.

[HigherBeing]

*fangirl scream* And where it all started from the very beginning!! <W> BURTH BAI SLEPE.

[Akino]

Someone had their sugar in their cereal. ^^^

But I MUST HAVE BBS! D< Or or or or or... I'll die from confusion by the time of KH3!

[Luka]

i dont have psp either but i want it so badly D=

[O R A N G E]

I can't wait for it to come out.

I have a PSP, so I'll get it right away.

Yeah, I don't know what they'll do about the camera and lock buttons. Probably something minor.

[Wisdom Form Guy]

Good thing My uncle is getting me a PSP or my stepdad is.When is this released here?

[SoulSlayer]

I can't wait for it to come out.

I have a PSP, so I'll get it right away.

Yeah, I don't know what they'll do about the camera and lock buttons. Probably something minor.


Yeah, they'll can use the left and right D-pad buttons and the problem will be solved.

[Spitfire]

Yeah, they'll can use the left and right D-pad buttons and the problem will be solved.

That seems the most probable. Or some combo of R, L, and D-pad.

[Xendran]

good controls would be:
X - Attack
/\ - Reactions
[] - Secondary ATtacks
O - Jump
Left - Change menus
Right - Lock On
Up - change selection
Down - Change selection
R / L - Camera (but better done than kh1's cameral. PLEASE be better than kh1's camera)

[Spitfire]

I would prefer no reaction commands in the game, it makes it more challenging. Those were one of the reasons I wasn't big on KH2

[Divexn]

I personally loved the reaction commands,
It made may have made the game a little confusing,
But it made it that extra bit fun...
It also made sure you were paying attention xD

[HigherBeing]

I believe the reaction commands were uneeded. We should be able to do all those commands via button pressing whenever we want, instead of a quick reaction command whenever it wanted. Having them there made it too easy, indeed.

Hopefully, BBS will do something about that. :\

[Alpha Sonix]

Reaction commands made it too easy, I like the Battle system of Kingdom Hearts 1 better but that's just me.

[music rulz]

the reaction commands might of made it easier but the scenes they show when sora uses them looks awesome e.g. sora vs. marluxia

[koolashley]

well it looked like kingdom hearts grew some chest hair for this one with better graphics, posible better plot, (hopfuly) rated T.

Lol yeah, went through all that.

I also hoope there are Reaction Commands, like in KHII, they helped boss battles a lot!

[tc831]

i was thinking since terra see's riku and sora on the beach that terra might be related to 1 of them.

[TabbyRoxas]

Well let's review what we've seen.

-Terra in the Great Maw, wielding a Keyblade (with an angry face)
-Terra holding Unconscious Roxas in Armour in the Great Maw? Possibly after a battle with Baldy Xehanort?
-Armoured Roxas at Destiny Islands(?)
-Arnoured Roxas at Olympus Coliseum.(?)
-Terra weilding a Keyblade in the desert with Bald Xehanort.

The graphics arent very improved in my opinion. While the there is a more "Solid" feel to it, it doesnt help.

Gameplay seems awesome. It seems that you can lauch attacks from the command menu, and there is another manu after you click an option in that menu.

The Characters are awesome. Finally Kingdom Hearts is starting to look like Final Fantasy. No more 16 year old kids (except for Roxas)

Kingdom Hearts is starting to look better then ever...

[SoulSlayer]

Well let's review what we've seen.

-Terra in the Great Maw, wielding a Keyblade (with an angry face)
-Terra holding Unconscious Ven in the Great Maw? Possibly after a battle with Baldy Xehanort?
-Ven at Destiny Islands(?)
-Ven at Olympus Coliseum.(?)
-Terra weilding a Keyblade in the desert with Bald Xehanort.


Fix'd.

[Spitfire]

Thank you SS. Its already been confirmed that Ven is not Roxas, there is a connection leave it at that. Secondly the graphics are going to be beautiful, its using a rage engine and I am not sure I can't remember the speed but I want to say it was something like 40 frames per second.

And reaction command suck still. It made certian things easier yes...but that is what the extra command option on the bottom of the screen was in KH1, where open and special moves would come in.

[Alpha Sonix]

These are the Worlds that are confirmed:
1. Destiny Islands
2. Sunset Horizons
3. Radiant Garden/ Hollow Bastion
4. Sleeping Beauty World
5. Cinderella World

[yemboy42]

I'm expecting to have Snow White's world in this one, along with the Alice in Wonderland and Peter Pan from the first game being brought back. Snow White is the only one of the Princesses whose world we haven't seen yet.

[Akino]

^^^

And Aurora's world! (Sleeping Beauty) she was one of the Seven Princesses, right? O___o THEY BETTER PUT FREAKIN' HUNCHBACK OF THE NOTRE DAME! Or I'm gonna have a mental breakdown.

[tc831]

but if they do have sleeping beauty's world would she be a little girl because in the first kh game she was a adult and we all no BBS is before sora's adventure

[Akino]

^^^

=___= Some people haven't been looking at the new scans. Doesn't this look like a scene from Sleep Beauty? (http://img181.imageshack.us/my.php?image=611610200709260829391bidl4.jpg) I remember watching it when I was little. That was the only Disney movie (I saw) that had black thorns surround a castle. And in KH2, the Hall of the Cornerstone, Maleficent summoned up some blackthorns around the room. So Sleeping Beauty is one of the Disney movies we will explore in BBS.
It won't matter if Aurora is a little girl or not.

[OblivionKey]

You're right. I'm Hopin that they'll put Jungle Book world in this one because wouldn't it be fun to fight that Chimp King( Drunk like LOL)

[micketymike]

its suposed to take place before kh1 and 2 i think

[Akino]

its suposed to take place before kh1 and 2 i think

Yeah. Everyone knows. x]

[KeybladeMaster123]

I cant wait for BBS, i wana kno how the knights are connected to sora if at all

[Spitfire]

Akino, I am positive that is sleeping beauties world.

[Jordz]

I rekon that these guys are theORIGINAL keyblade masters.....

[Luka]

I rekon that these guys are theORIGINAL keyblade masters.....

i agreee lol

[Spitfire]

We've pretty much figured that out, I would say its safe to somewhat assume its obvious.

[HigherBeing]

>3 What I want to know is if and why they're the original ones... >w>

[birthbysleep7714]

who else thinks that bbs is going to be the best game out the lot as it looks as if its plaot and grapics look amasing

[KeybladeMaster123]

who else thinks that bbs is going to be the best game out the lot as it looks as if its plaot and grapics look amasing

Hell Yeah!

[keyblade7714]

Do you guys thinkk that in birth by sleep you will be able to change your keyblade like in the other games or do you think terra will only have one keyblade because if you look at the bbs screenshots he only carrys one keyblade

[Alpha Sonix]

I rekon that these guys are theORIGINAL keyblade masters.....

No, they're not, there were many Keyblade Masters before them.

[Spitfire]

Do you guys thinkk that in birth by sleep you will be able to change your keyblade like in the other games or do you think terra will only have one keyblade because if you look at the bbs screenshots he only carrys one keyblade

Possibly but no one can be sure ya know. If you can do all the cool keyblade morph things like the knight in final mix could do then I wouldn't have a need to change the keyblade but possibly. I don't think they ever showed sora using a different blade when KH first came out. I think they only showed the kingdom key.

[X-thor]

Do you guys thinkk that in birth by sleep you will be able to change your keyblade like in the other games or do you think terra will only have one keyblade because if you look at the bbs screenshots he only carrys one keyblade

It would be kinda gay if you couldn't use more then 1 keyblade :/

[O R A N G E]

Do you guys thinkk that in birth by sleep you will be able to change your keyblade like in the other games or do you think terra will only have one keyblade because if you look at the bbs screenshots he only carrys one keyblade

Perhaps, but it could be becuase they don't want to reveal what the new keyblades would be. Remember the promotional images for KH2 and KH? Sora only used Kingdom Key in those.

[keyblade7714]

Perhaps, but it could be becuase they don't want to reveal what the new keyblades would be. Remember the promotional images for KH2 and KH? Sora only used Kingdom Key in those.


yea i thought that myself though at the secret ending of kh2 roxas has the two keyblades so you no that there is going to be dffernt keyblades though in this it stays the same keyblade

HEY EVERBODY GO ON THIS LINK http://www.kingdomhearts3.net/ READ THE PART ON BIRTH BY SLEEP IT SEEMS AS IF ITS GOIN TO BE LIKE COM YOU HAVE TO READ THISS

[Luka]

wow that's cool!!

[Zeftnon - The Superior]

I think good controls would be:

Up/Down: Change card/command
Left/Right: Change command menu
Left Analog Stick: Move
Right Analog Stick: Camera
L: Change Keyblade device
R: Lock On
Square: Dodge move
Circle: Jump
X: Attack/Select command
Triangle: Reaction Command/Use selected Keyblade device

[KATACHI IS KING!!]

ugh i just think that they HAVE to release the nex three games to the US. if they dont i might sue SE because of unfairness.

[Luka]

since when does the PSP has analog sticks ?

[X-thor]

since when does the PSP has analog sticks ?

Since never =P

[Akino]

But Akino can't live without an analog stick!

... But really, how are we control Terra/other characters without one. D: THE ARROWS? (I can feel sore thumbs already.)

[Spitfire]

Its had an Analog stick since it first came out.

[Akino]

Its had an Analog stick since it first came out.

It is that small circle thing you use as the coursor for the internet? ._.

[Spitfire]

It is that small circle thing you use as the coursor for the internet? ._.

I know I was telling that to whom ever asked since when its had one.

[X-thor]

Its had an Analog stick since it first came out.

But he sayed sticks not stick :/

[Spitfire]

Then unless Sony plans to unveil a new PSP when BBS comes out with two then someone read wrong. And since they just came out with a new PSP i really doubt that is the case.

[X-thor]

Then unless Sony plans to unveil a new PSP when BBS comes out with two then someone read wrong. And since they just came out with a new PSP i really doubt that is the case.

Lol they won't do that :P

[Luka]

i agree with spitfire

[X-thor]

I agree with Tco that he agrees with Spitfire

You can't get more spammy then that :/

But anyway they won't make a new PSP any time soon

exept for that new one

[OneWingedHeartless]

I've been meaning to get this off my mind soooo....

I think that because King Mickey has the star seeker is because Aqua is going to give the keyblade to king mickey! Maybe at the last part of the battle?

[Luka]

I've been meaning to get this off my mind soooo....

I think that because King Mickey has the star seeker is because Aqua is going to give the keyblade to king mickey! Maybe at the last part of the battle?

aqua ... yeah could be ...

[Eternal Session]

i think king mickey has star seeker bcoz he is on training
and i think he got aqua keyblade bcoz he is belong to darkness
i guess..

[Anderson]

I've always had in mind, in a gaming sense, that since Sora usually uses the Kingdom Key in most...er...'commericals', so to speak, that if Mickey were to use a Keyblade, he would use the next default one in line. In KH2, that was Starseeker...I think.

[the muffin man]

I've always had in mind, in a gaming sense, that since Sora usually uses the Kingdom Key in most...er...'commericals', so to speak, that if Mickey were to use a Keyblade, he would use the next default one in line. In KH2, that was Starseeker...I think.Yeah,that's right.The starseeker is the second keychain that you get in the game,so that makes sense.

[daxma]

I've been meaning to get this off my mind soooo....

I think that because King Mickey has the star seeker is because Aqua is going to give the keyblade to king mickey! Maybe at the last part of the battle?Thats a good theory but had you ever concidered how Yen sid could come in to all of this.As a great kingdomologist should know Yen cid was mickeys master.Yen cid could have given it to mickey during his training.Sora got his starseeker off him so, maybe mickey got his off his master.It all makes perfect sense.

[Eternal Session]

Thats a good theory but had you ever concidered how Yen sid could come in to all of this.As a great kingdomologist should know Yen cid was mickeys master.Yen cid could have given it to mickey during his training.Sora got his starseeker off him so, maybe mickey got his off his master.It all makes perfect sense.

yeah..
that's what i thinking about too

[OneWingedHeartless]

Thats a good theory but had you ever concidered how Yen sid could come in to all of this.As a great kingdomologist should know Yen cid was mickeys master.Yen cid could have given it to mickey during his training.Sora got his starseeker off him so, maybe mickey got his off his master.It all makes perfect sense.Crap! I meant aqua was gonna give the darksidekeyblade to king mickey but you have a good theory on the start seeker too

[daxma]

Crap! I meant aqua was gonna give the darksidekeyblade to king mickey but you have a good theory on the start seeker tooThank you i apratiate your recognition of my good theory.

[Luka]

Crap! I meant aqua was gonna give the darksidekeyblade to king mickey but you have a good theory on the start seeker too

its star seeker not start seeker xD
but yeah it could be true she gives him the keyblade

[Joshua Algario]

Hey is there any games coming out on xbox 360 and ps2.

[Akino]

Hey is there any games coming out on xbox 360 and ps2.

Sadly.

BBS is coming out on PSP.
358/2 Days on DS.
Coded is on the mobile phone.

Plus, SE has been loyal to Sony. So I highly doubt any KH games will come out other than the Play Station platforms aside from the nintendo handhelds.

[Axel373]

Hey, i bet someone already said this, but can someone explain to me why Ven looks exactly like roxas?

[Luka]

Hey, i bet someone already said this, but can someone explain to me why Ven looks exactly like roxas?

well there's lts of theorys nobody knows for reall ... except nomura of course xD
well just look around this setion eventually you'll find something intteresting ^^

[thesilverkeywielder]

I think this is going to be the best of them all even do I need to fix my broken psp

but im also looking foward to roxas story because its kind of interesting and sad at the same time

[Eternal Session]

Crap! I meant aqua was gonna give the darksidekeyblade to king mickey but you have a good theory on the start seeker too

but.. was mickey find out the dark keyblade his own in the dark realm?

[_Oathkeeper_]

*Note, this is before Kairi is on Destiny Islands*
~VEN~
He looks just like you... A Nobody said that to Roxas in Kingdom Hearts II. Now, we automatically think he's talking about Sora, right? Well, what if he's talking about Ven? Ven looks just like Roxas. But why?

Ven lived on Destiny Islands with his little brother, and his brother's best friend.
But, who is his brother? None other than Sora.
Like Sora in Kingdom Hearts I, Ven had been having weird dreams, when he meets Terra. Terra informs him that he's needed to help save the worlds. Ven, as confused as ever, asks why. Terra then shows him how Ven is the current Keyblade Wielder. So, Ven tells Terra that he'll help. But before he does, he goes to see Sora and Riku one last time. When he tells them that he's leaving, Sora asks why. Ven shows the two the Keyblade. As curious as ever, Sora wants to hold it. When Ven lets him, that's when Sora becomes the next Keyblade Wielder. So, Terra takes Ven back to Sunset Horizon, so they can try to save the worlds.

~AQUA~
The girl who resembles a Kairi with Blue hair. What does she have to do with all of this?

Her goal is to save her little sister, who is about Sora's age at the time. Why does she have to protect her? Her little sister is a Princess of Hearts. Yes, Kairi. But, why? We all know Kairi came from another world, right? Well, that will be covered later.

~TERRA~
He resembles Xehanort from Kingdom Hearts II.
While fighting Master Xehanort, Terra snaps. He wants to do anything to save the worlds--Even if it means losing the light inside him. Terra eventually kills Master Xehanort. But he's still outraged, so much, that he kidnap's Aqua's sister, so he can have control over Kingdom Hearts. This is where the king comes in.
Either that, or Master Xehanort somehow gets control of him, like how Ansem did to Riku in Kingdom Hearts I.

~MICKEY~
Mickey somehow knocks Terra out. Terra then gets Amnesia, and forgets who he is. Mickey sends him to Hallow Bastion, hoping that Ansem the Wise can help him.
When Terra gets there, he has forgotten everything. All he remembers is the name 'Xehanort' so Terra believes that's his name.
As for Kairi, Mickey tells Ven that she has to go to Destiny Islands to be with Sora.
Ven is confused as to why she has to be with Sora. Mickey just tells him that Sora will be able to protect her. They then somehow erases Riku and Sora's memories of Ven, (like how they did with Kairi's memories of Sora)

After all of this, Aqua and Ven are out to find a way back to their families. Ven with Sora, and Aqua with Kairi. While they look, everything happens to Sora and them. Little do they all know, Sora is fighting Terra. Roxas, Sora's Nobody, resembles Ven, due to Sora remembering Ven in his heart. And then all of this meets up in Kingdom Hearts III, when their all reunited, and have to stop Terra for the last time, or something...



Okay, I'm aware this isn't too good, but please dont flame me :( I worked hard on it, and I'm aware that it doesn't make alot of sense, but when I put it in FanFic form, it'll looks better and make more sense. Thanks... =]

[Ilikekeyblades]

I liked this! Except the aqua theory... a little vague... But still, good theory!

[DjC]

i thought when kh1 first came out that tidus was soras little brother because him and sora have the same hair style and almost the same face look but i highly doubt that ven was soras big bro that would be really stupid but i believe roxas use to be whole and he joined the organization to become whole and if he became whole he wouldnt be one with sora but will be ven again. and same with xemnas. if he could become whole he wouldnt be xehanort from soras timeline but from 10 years ago

[Near-to-Tears]

Okay, people read Jimminy's Journal!
Tidus, Selphie, Wakka, Cloud, Septhiroth, Yuna, Rikku, Paine, Yuffie, Cid, Aerith, Tifa and Leon (Squall) are ALL from Final Fantasy's and are doing cameo apperances some it is VERY unlikely anything will come from them.

I not trying to be rude, I'm just a little annoyed with everyone making theories around them.

[White_Rook]

You can't have spoilers, this is a theory and therefore nothing is even close to being real proof. Also why would Sora's Nobody look like his hypothetical older brother when it's his Nobody?

[_Oathkeeper_]

You can't have spoilers, this is a theory and therefore nothing is even close to being real proof. Also why would Sora's Nobody look like his hypothetical older brother when it's his Nobody? Okay, there is a theory to this as well.



When Ven was erased from everyone's memories, the memory of Ven still lived in Sora's heart.
When Sora's nobody came to be, the memory of his brother took the form of his Nobody. Just like the Oathkeeper represents his memories of Kairi, and the Oblivion represents his memories of Riku.

[Ienzo]

I think this is very good but if Ven was Sora's brother then Sora would be 4 when Ven leaves. I see all the hard work you put in and it's amazing when it all adds up but it has it's flaws. Well done though ^^

[Repliku]

I am still not really with this theory that Sora and Ven are brothers or Aqua and Kairi are related. To me, Aqua looks more like a kid between Riku and Kairi, but I wouldn't go so far as to say they are related really in any way because I know it's not possible. Many people continue to say that Ven and Aqua are siblings or parents to Sora and Kairi but I don't see anything supporting it.

Ven = has a similar build to Sora but otherwise doesn't really look like him. Ven's long name means 'loner' but Ven is a name connected with 'air or wind' as is Sora's. Ven and Roxas look alike, so much in fact that their hair is exactly the same style, the voice will be the exact same, and his build is the same. There is no difference I can see at all with Ven and Roxas.

Really though, just because Sora and Ven have similar builds and their names connect doesn't mean much. Terra and Riku as Riku ages are going to have similar builds too. Riku is buff as was Terra, and both are tall but other than that and sharing an 'earth' name, they look nothing alike.

Aqua and Kairi also don't look that much alike. Aqua seems taller than Kairi and at 15, Kairi is near done growing. Aqua's hair also resembles more Riku's in a way. However, again, both tie in together having a 'water' name and being female. Aqua and Ven are also at least 10 years older than Sora and Kairi. Aqua seems to look older than Ven even. That's quite a span for regular parents to have kids really, unless there were siblings between that. It's not impossible but just is pretty irregular that two families on separate worlds would do this act to make a story convenient. Also, how many parents name their kids after the -same- elements? I think the names play a more important role into how the former 3 and the modern day 3 turn out rather than relation really.

If the story really was based on them all being related, I'd be disappointed in Nomura for doing something so A-typical and generic. It's such an overdone theme in so many stories etc that I would hope that Nomura isn't losing his storytelling ability. I'm not a 'fan' person that wants the story to be cheesy. That seems like such a sellout. Nomura usually writes a better story than saying 'here's the older siblings'. I can see more that Ven and Sora -might- be related but Aqua and Kairi, I don't see it really. I don't dismiss it entirely, but I sure hope it is not true. I do think other than the sibling deal, your other mentions of events happening may be probable. Of course, I may be entirely wrong and they may be related, but at this time I'm not seeing it.

Also to mention, Tidus is not Sora's brother. Selphie, Tidus and Wakka are playmates to Sora, Riku and Kairi. They were listed as friends to him in the journal I believe. Also, the FF characters, as someone pointed out, are fill in characters and not so critical to the storyline really.

[Luka]

Wow nicer thorys you got there well i dont really like the aqua one >_>

[_Oathkeeper_]

Wow nicer thorys you got there well i dont really like the aqua one >_>

Alot of people dont :P But W/E.

[Luka]

xD yeah its kinda odd lol

[Twilight-Angel]

I may not think so... if he had gone to the dark realm without a Keyblade he would have been killed by the heartless. as I remember of KH 1 end, the dark realm has many heartless...

[Whoa Its Jose]

WHOA WHOA WAIT WAIT HOLY F***

I JUST GOT A THEORY.

Xehanort has an identity crisis/issue.

Ok, in KH1, we defeated who we thought was Ansem, but no. It was Xehanort's heartless. And in KH2 we realize that Xehanort adopted Ansem's name.
Now, the real ansem said he found Xehanort completely devoid of his memories or who he even was.
Also, we're aware that the old guy in the the Birth by Sleep trailer/scans is called Master Xehanort. right? But also he has an appretince, right?
Judging from the look of his body, the apprentice seems really young, maybe 16 or 17. And in KH2 Xemnas was in his mid-20's.
Now, we know that BBS took place ten years before KH1, right?

What my theroy is, is that Xemnas/Xehanort/Ansem is really...


MASTER XEHANORT'S APPRENTICE! DUN DUN DUNNNN!
And after the events of BBS the only name he could remember was Xehanort, so he thought it was his own.

And, I'm done.

What do you people think?

[stripy4]

Hey, i bet someone already said this, but can someone explain to me why Ven looks exactly like roxas?

Hmmm... I have a crazy theory. No-one has ever seen Sora's dad... Yeah its werid.

[X-thor]

Hmmm... I have a crazy theory. No-one has ever seen Sora's dad... Yeah its werid.

You're not the only one that thinks that

[Alpha Sonix]

Hmmm... I have a crazy theory. No-one has ever seen Sora's dad... Yeah its werid.

I don't think Ven is Sora's dad, he looks 15-17 at most and it would be creepy if he had you know what with a older woman or someone the same age as him*Shivers*. We can at least say he's his brother or something like that.

[Luka]

yeah what AS said its really creepy only thought of it D:

[BlueRhapsody13]

I really need to save up for a PSP >.< This game sounds kinda good. But, personally, I'd much rather have Kingdom Hearts 358/2 Days.

[Revelry]

interesting point, but to be honest i dont like the whole family ties thing...I mean because its been pointed out that their names have the same meaning, (btw Sora doesnt mean wind it means sky (just thought I had to correct repliku there)) it seems to me that Terra, Ven and Aqua are more on par or parallel to Sora, Kairi and Riku, not really tied to them in anyway besides the keyblades...well in that case aqua wouldn't be tied in with kairi at since she uses mickey's keyblade. I was also wondering if Nomura did this on purpose to make the TAV/SRK triangles seem farther apart but usually the game has been from sora's point of view or someone related to sora. Terra, to me, seems like the new Riku rather than the new sora because he uses the dark keyblade and seems to have that yellow eye effect that all evil people have had so far in kh (where his eyes turn gold in the trailer)

[Luka]

interesting point, but to be honest i dont like the whole family ties thing...I mean because its been pointed out that their names have the same meaning, (btw Sora doesnt mean wind it means sky (just thought I had to correct repliku there)) it seems to me that Terra, Ven and Aqua are more on par or parallel to Sora, Kairi and Riku, not really tied to them in anyway besides the keyblades...well in that case aqua wouldn't be tied in with kairi at since she uses mickey's keyblade. I was also wondering if Nomura did this on purpose to make the TAV/SRK triangles seem farther apart but usually the game has been from sora's point of view or someone related to sora. Terra, to me, seems like the new Riku rather than the new sora because he uses the dark keyblade and seems to have that yellow eye effect that all evil people have had so far in kh (where his eyes turn gold in the trailer)

well you're actually right there doesn't have to be a connection

[Laurence_Fox]

The thing that seems the most likely is the Terra information. Ansem the Wise does say that Xehanort came to him without knowledge of who he was. Or something similar.

But I guess we will just have to wait and see what happens when the game comes out. You put a lot of thought into it and I won't knock you for that.

[Xerjak]

Well I had a thought about what happened in the video at the end of Kingdom Hearts IIFinal Mix+. Here it is, please read the whole thing:

_______

It is already said that Xeanort had gone missing with his apprentice. A keyblade master sends his three aprentices out to find them. Terra, Ven, and Aqua go through a long journey, and eventually find out that Xeanort is evil, along with his apprentice. From what I can tell from the video, it looks like the keyblade that Xeanort is holding is a black ultima. They begin the fight. The keyblade master who sent the three of themout realizes that they can not win, so he comes to the battle, but arrives too late and watches Xeanort summon kingdom hearts. This keyblade master is mickey (appears in the video). Mickey arrives at the scene and just barely defeats xeanort. Ven (who got frozen in the video) stays frozen (explaining a bit of the scenece in Kingdom Hearts II final mix+ where a member of orginization XIII stands over the armor of one of the knights) Terra beleives he fails and that he let down Ven Aqua and mickey, so he desides to "banish" himself to stay at that battlefield (explaining why he was there when he was a fightable charcter in KHIIFM+) When Xeanort was defeated, he fell into a deep slumber. When he wakes up he has no memory of what happened and he is young (explaining why xeanort had no memory when ansem found him, also explains the title, Birth By Sleep)

___

Also, another thing, is the video becomes the last fight for Birth By Sleep, I had another idea.

What if instead of finding them randomly, the keyblades were obtained by defeating bosses along with tons of optional bosses for more keyblades.

What if at the end of the game before the fight with "Xeanort" you choose which person you play as, Terra, Ven, or Aqua. First off this would introduce the possibility of there being a theater veiw option to veiw cutscnes, and at the end of the game whatever character you played as had a different scene (Ven getting frozen for example)

Well, what if the "Dark Ultima" (if it even is an ultima) was obtainable? You need to be on the medium mode of teh game, You must have the regular Ultima, and you must have completed a specific task while fighting Xeanort as each of the 3 charcters. Each one would only have to take his health to zero, but you may do other things.Knocking the ultima out of Xeanorts hand as Terra, finding it in the huge barrage of keyblades, and throwing it at him diong additional damage also. As aqua, you have to save terra when there is the keyblade barrage coming at him ( not nessacary, terra is in a short part during that and that would just be a cutscnene) you would save him by running in range of terra and using that forcefeild like move that he used in the video. And as Ven, there is a point when Xeanort flys to the top of the mountain, you could just wait until xeanort comes back down and bring his health back to zero, or you can run all the way up, "sneak up behind him" and this would happen when Xeanort had very very little HP left, and when you sneak up on him, you finish the fight with ven being frozen? The dark ultima would be the SAME EXACT thing as the regular one, just thought it was a different color, made magic,summons, (or drives if they are in the game) have different animation or colors. You cannot equip both Ultimas, when you equip the ultima, an option pops up if you want dark or light. You would have to do all three to unlock it, lol i think it would be harder to do then it sounds

well the top idea was a theory, and i thought the ultima thing would be a cool addition =)


Alot of you might say that it looks NOTHING LIKE A DARK ULTIMA. Well after closer examination, it doesnt. but it doesnt matter, just make a new keyblade obtained like that. lol =]

[Zeftnon - The Superior]

About the theory, I also thought that Mickey was their master before, but then I remembered about the Star Seeker Keyblade; Yen Sid was Mickey's teacher, remember? And Nomura hinted that Mickey might not be a king yet, so he's definetely still being taught by Yen Sid. So, Mickey can't be Terra, Aqua, and Ven's master because he's a pupil himself.

[Zeftnon - The Superior]

1.) Xemnas WAS talking about Sora. In KH1: Final Mix, you can fight Xemnas for the first time, and he says, "You look like him.". Then in KH2, he says, "I've been to see him.". He's talking about his recent meeting with Sora.

2.) The three were a team from the beginning.

3.) So, you're saying that an oversized mouse knocked out one of the most powerful Keyblade Wielders and put him into a coma for nearly 10 years?! XD

4.) It wouldn't take Aqua and Ven 10 years to find Sora and Kairi.

5.) Terra knew his own name when he fought Sora. He said that he hated Xehanort, so he knew he wasn't him.

[exile0025]

im so confused

[Nate_River]

3.) So, you're saying that an oversized mouse knocked out one of the most powerful Keyblade Wielders and put him into a coma for nearly 10 years?! XD


yes...exactly...why not?

[Xerjak]

maybe they all worked under yen sid? mickey and the three became freinds, but they had to split up when yen sid told them to find the missing master, and mickey had his own mission that he was assighned by yen sid?

[Number13Roxas]

Good but I'm pretty sure that the armor is actually Aqua's Armor.

[Kingdom-dwarfs]

I'm really looking foward to it - i just hope we get the games in the uk i think we should lets face it both games made it to platinum

(memo to self buy DS n PSP on their release)

[Xerjak]

Good but I'm pretty sure that the armor is actually Aqua's Armor.


it does look like aqua's armour, but it would make more sense if it was ven's cause you never know what 12 years can do to battle worn armour.

[Whoa Its Jose]

i was looking at a video for it and there's some pictures that really stand out for terra. Although I really doubt it, does anyone else think Terra looks a lot a bit feminine?

[Kairi9020]

......No. He looks pretty masculine to me.

[Whoa Its Jose]

Well, it's all in his face.
It was in one picture inparticular.
I'm probably just pulling this idea out of nowhere, really though.

[Zeftnon - The Superior]

Which picture are you talking about?

[HOSPITAL, STAT!]

Practically all the KH male characters look feminine.

[Gwen]

Practically all the KH male characters look feminine.

This one speaks teh truth.

[Luka]

you guys are right every Kh male ppl is a bit feminine >_>;

[Xerjak]

another thing, it seems hat terra, ven, and aqua knew "Xehanort" before the battle. The whay i see it is that the trio and baldy were friends. And probably baldy was probably "closest" to Terra. Cause the way aqua/ven wanted to attack baldy in the begining of the vid, and the way Terra stoped ven/aqua, and went to attck baldy himself, it kinda looked they wanted "revenge" in a way.(Also, they attacked baldy, baldy didn't attack them.) When terra's arm was forzen, he looked up at baldy, in a "why would you" or "you actually did" way. In the vid deep dive, as the #s from org. XIII countdown, quotes fly up on the screen. one was "Sora...why?". I dont remeber seeing that anywhere in any of the games. Wich makes me think, what if baldy's name was sora? Sora was name after baldy! This would make "Memories of Xehanort" a totally diffrent plot.

[Ame-chan]

Mmm...Pretty good theories, but I don`t like Aquas theory =\

[EvilMan_89]

i think the 3 chracters in this game is like choosing the Sword, Shield, or Staff in the first 2 games. i'm GUESSING that each character resemebles one of those but lacks in one area. i would guess that Terra would be Sword, Aqua would be Staff since she casted the most magic in the secret movie, and Ven would be Shield since the other 2 or taken up?

[Whoa Its Jose]

Umm, I thought they were all playable characters.

Well, either that, or just Terra.

[Solid Snake]

i think the 3 chracters in this game is like choosing the Sword, Shield, or Staff in the first 2 games. i'm GUESSING that each character resemebles one of those but lacks in one area. i would guess that Terra would be Sword, Aqua would be Staff since she casted the most magic in the secret movie, and Ven would be Shield since the other 2 or taken up?
ur probably right

[EvilMan_89]

Umm, I thought they were all playable characters.

Well, either that, or just Terra.

they are. they said you can only choose one scenario at a time. i THINK that means one story for each of them.

[White_Rook]

Or they could just be future party members.

[EvilMan_89]

true, no one is sure if they will ever fight together as party members in teh game or all just go their seperate ways and occassionaly meet up. Nomura DID say that there are points where the 3 heroes meet up

[Cocohints]

Dude, I like where you're going with this. At the moment that theory is pretty logical to me.

[Whoa Its Jose]

Or they could just be future party members.

That's what I thought would happen.

[EvilMan_89]

Dude, I like where you're going with this. At the moment that theory is pretty logical to me.
yea it IS pretty logical. and i always choose the staff so i guess if Aqua is a magic user, i'll choose to use her first! wow, i can't believe i'm getting a PSP JUST for this game, lol. it's like how i went through SO much trouble to play Kingdom hearts 2 Final Mix+

[Love]

i think the 3 chracters in this game is like choosing the Sword, Shield, or Staff in the first 2 games. i'm GUESSING that each character resemebles one of those but lacks in one area. i would guess that Terra would be Sword, Aqua would be Staff since she casted the most magic in the secret movie, and Ven would be Shield since the other 2 or taken up?

I agree with this theory , but I would make Terra the shield , I can't decide between Ven and Terra .

[Gwen]

Interesting thought process. I like the idea.

[EvilMan_89]

I agree with this theory , but I would make Terra the shield , I can't decide between Ven and Terra .
i dunno i thot his defense was.....lacking during the battle with him

[The Great Gatz]

It would make sense cause I mean they already do that for your party in KH1 and 2. Except you get to choose :/ But still I always would pick the "sword" and then the two left over are shield (Goofy) and staff (noob). I wouldn't be surprised if they do that again. Ok Ven is the main character. They other two are your party members but the final boss will be Terra. Sorry that was for the PS3 game >__< . Anyway... Yeah I think they'll all be playable but maybe revolve around Ven cause he seems like the one who could have... or maybe Terra >__<

[EvilMan_89]

It would make sense cause I mean they already do that for your party in KH1 and 2. Except you get to choose :/ But still I always would pick the "sword" and then the two left over are shield (Goofy) and staff (noob). I wouldn't be surprised if they do that again. Ok Ven is the main character. They other two are your party members but the final boss will be Terra.
i prefer the staff :) tho what makes you say Terra is the last boss?

[Dredica]

true, no one is sure if they will ever fight together as party members in teh game or all just go their seperate ways and occassionaly meet up. Nomura DID say that there are points where the 3 heroes meet up

When you say they meet up, it's making me think of the kh2fm+ secret movie.

I think he means you have to play as Terra against the final boss, is that what you mean Roxma?

[Cocohints]

I think that's what Roxma meant - since Ven will get KOed or worse at one point, judging by that one screenshot. (not sure if the player was Terra or Ven in the first place there)

wow, i can't believe i'm getting a PSP JUST for this game, lol. it's like how i went through SO much trouble to play Kingdom hearts 2 Final Mix+

lol, me too - this game better get to Norway now that I actually have a PSP. :<

[renteka-bond]

Wow, i never thought of it this way, but you could be right.

[OneWingedHeartless]

You really well could be right but we can't get our hopes up

[Luka]

urgh i actually never thougth about that this way xD

[EvilMan_89]

it would actually make it cooler to be this way.

[daxma]

i think the 3 chracters in this game is like choosing the Sword, Shield, or Staff in the first 2 games. i'm GUESSING that each character resemebles one of those but lacks in one area. i would guess that Terra would be Sword, Aqua would be Staff since she casted the most magic in the secret movie, and Ven would be Shield since the other 2 or taken up?It's been conformed that there all playable.

[Dreadnought]

Hmmm..... maybe.

[EvilMan_89]

It's been conformed that there all playable.
yea, but i mean that they all probably have a different characteristic of one but lack in one of the other areas as well

[Dreadnought]

Kingdom hearts birth by sleep takes place ten years before kh1
so that is highly unlikely. Why would Roxas look like Sora's brother
and not like Sora?

[Spitfire]

I honestly doubt he is Sora's dad. Ven looks like a teen, probably 16 and if this is anything like every other game Normura has put out, then he probably is 16. And since this is ten years before hand I the time wouldn't add up correctly, cause that would mean that Sora is about 4 or 5 and Ven would have had the kid at 12.....thats not promoting good things.

[Luka]

It's been conformed that there all playable.

it was ?
O.o i think i missed something =/

[Luka]

1.) Xemnas WAS talking about Sora. In KH1: Final Mix, you can fight Xemnas for the first time, and he says, "You look like him.". Then in KH2, he says, "I've been to see him.". He's talking about his recent meeting with Sora.

2.) The three were a team from the beginning.

3.) So, you're saying that an oversized mouse knocked out one of the most powerful Keyblade Wielders and put him into a coma for nearly 10 years?! XD

4.) It wouldn't take Aqua and Ven 10 years to find Sora and Kairi.

5.) Terra knew his own name when he fought Sora. He said that he hated Xehanort, so he knew he wasn't him.

Lol thanks ^^
but why 10 years ?

[EvilMan_89]

it was ?
O.o i think i missed something =/

yup ALL three are playable :) Normura said they all thave their own story so you have to beat the game 3 times to fully appreciate teh story. that's why i REALLY want this game. it seems so interesting and good!

[Shadows Of Oblivion]

yup ALL three are playable :) Normura said they all thave their own story so you have to beat the game 3 times to fully appreciate teh story. that's why i REALLY want this game. it seems so interesting and good!

I thought it was only confirmed that we can play as Terra, Ven, and 'unknown'... but I LIKE this theory, and it DOES make sense... rep for you lol

EDIT: Well, I would... but it seems I've been too generous today...

EDIT2: Well, there you go...

[Shadows Of Oblivion]

1.) Xemnas WAS talking about Sora. In KH1: Final Mix, you can fight Xemnas for the first time, and he says, "You look like him.". Then in KH2, he says, "I've been to see him.". He's talking about his recent meeting with Sora.

2.) The three were a team from the beginning.

3.) So, you're saying that an oversized mouse knocked out one of the most powerful Keyblade Wielders and put him into a coma for nearly 10 years?! XD

4.) It wouldn't take Aqua and Ven 10 years to find Sora and Kairi.

5.) Terra knew his own name when he fought Sora. He said that he hated Xehanort, so he knew he wasn't him.

Correct...

[Dredica]

What are the monsters in the new game, arn't they called dis-souls, also I can't belive this game is for P.S.P yet it has wayy better graphics then kingdom hearts 2, well in game-play it does anyway. Also, I doubt it will have even enough memory to hold all those worlds you people think it's going to have, rember it's only a P.S.P GAME, not a PS2 game.

[Shadows Of Oblivion]

What are the monsters in the new game, arn't they called dis-souls, also I can't belive this game is for P.S.P yet it has wayy better graphics then kingdom hearts 2, well in game-play it does anyway. Also, I doubt it will have even enough memory to hold all those worlds you people think it's going to have, rember it's only a P.S.P GAME, not a PS2 game.

We don't know what they're called... or even what they ARE...

[Ultima Wepon]

i am also waiting for the most to play other than 358/2 Days. The bad neews is that i don't have a PSP. i might get one for Christmas. The game won't be out until
next year. i still have time to get it.

[Shadows Of Oblivion]

i am also waiting for the most to play other than 358/2 Days. The bad neews is that i don't have a PSP. i might get one for Christmas. The game won't be out until
next year. i still have time to get it.

Lol, I don't have a DS OR PSP... but I'm going to...

[Xaerun]

Um, this sounds kinda n00bish... (but give me credit, I've only actually played through CoM+CoM: Re/Rv...) but wtf is going on in the KH2 Final Mix Secret ending? Seriously, like... what? Baldy (which I've heard being called UEM) freezes Ven or Terra (i think it's Ven, right?) and all sorts of whacked out stuff. Anyone care to shed some light?

I really need to save up for a PSP >.< This game sounds kinda good. But, personally, I'd much rather have Kingdom Hearts 358/2 Days.

You think you've got troubles? The only KH I own and have completed is CoM + Re/Rv. I need to save up for a PS2, a PSP and probably a PS3 soon.... :S

[Akino]

What are the monsters in the new game, arn't they called dis-souls, also I can't belive this game is for P.S.P yet it has wayy better graphics then kingdom hearts 2, well in game-play it does anyway. Also, I doubt it will have even enough memory to hold all those worlds you people think it's going to have, rember it's only a P.S.P GAME, not a PS2 game.

Crisis Core seemed to be able to be able to handle a lot for a PSP game. It even had a CG endning. So I'm guess BBS will be able to handle a bunch, since Square can be able to do a lot with it. Besides, they're using up what they have to take advantage on what they can do on the PSP.

[jengo]

I can w8! We finnaly know that the old man's Xehanort (knew it from the begining), oh and dont they explain why the van kid and roxas look alike?

And think about this.....madey THIS is the KH3 we've been w8ing for.....
but i digress, Nomura himself said it contributes to the kh3 story line.

[Shadows Of Oblivion]

I can w8! We finnaly know that the old man's Xehanort (knew it from the begining), oh also the blonde one...Roxas...without even thinking bout it that much....

And think about this.....madey THIS is the KH3 we've been w8ing for.....
but i digress, Nomura himself said it contributes to the kh3 story line.

Except that it's NOT Roxas...

[Megakingdom]

I have some pictures:
http://www.famitsu.com/interview/article/__icsFiles/artimage/2007/10/19/pc_old_668/khbbs01.jpg
http://www.famitsu.com/interview/article/__icsFiles/artimage/2007/10/19/pc_old_668/khbbs02.jpg
http://www.famitsu.com/interview/article/__icsFiles/artimage/2007/10/19/pc_old_668/khbbs03.jpg

[rikufanattic]

This is one of the games I've been waiting for for almost forever!

I mean when I first heard about it 'Birth by Sleep' in my mind I was thinking, so then this will tell of the dark age of the Keyblade?
Of course I'm still holding true to that thought since of course there are a lot of things left unsolved thanks to the secret trailer and all.

I've been hearing about Dis-soul a lot too... I don't know I mean what are 'souls' your enemies too now? That's what I thought anyway. We don't know what they are but one can only dream of the possiblities, right? It probably has something to do when the heart leaves the body. Besides energy just doesn't leave it goes somewhere else.

You know Master Xehanort still creeps me out... weird old man! >_< I just really hope that Aqua doesn't suffer the same fate that Kairi did, with the whole damsel in distress thing.

Man I can't wait for December!

[kairigirl321]

Hey. Im so freakin excited about this game! I could play kh all day every day. but anyway.......

Does anybody know when its estimated to come out, and if its just for psp or just for ds or for ps2 or ps3?

[Megakingdom]

well Birth by sleep is for PSP only. 358/2 days is for ds. and Coded is for the cell phone. Thats it.

[Dredica]

Okay, you guys, I was just now playing kingdom hearts one, ONE=1, anyway yeah, I went to talk to Cid and Leon, in the old house in district three, Traverse town, when Cid said that a swarm of heartless took over their world, then Leon said, That was nine years ago. NINE YEARS AGO, before kingdom hearts one. So, heartless were around probably towards the end of birth by sleep?

[Geezernorts_Apprentice]

I'm sorry if this isn't relevant to the current conversation but I have a theor... well, it's not even a theory really. In the KH2 secret ending Terra, Aqua and Ven's armour all have references to the letter M (for example on their upper body armour.
It's really wacky but could The King be their Master. Wow, that was awful, only a quick observation y'know M for Mickey *runs

[dyyor]

I read that its gonna be about Terra, Aqua, and Ven searching for Master Xehanort and his apprentice.

Baldy is Master Xehanort and the creepy spiderman dude is his apprentice. Perhaps that is the Xehanort we all know.

PS: Terra's normal outfit looks so tight.

that is a good possiblity, its definately about terra, due to pics of gameplay as him

'creepy spiderman dude' this made me lawl XD

why would the apprentice take the name of the master? ( oh wait, thats what white haired xehanort did, hmmm )

lol

[Dredica]

why would the apprentice take the name of the master? ( oh wait, thats what white haired xehanort did, hmmm )
lol

That's what I said, there all a big family of name stealers. Oh yeah, look very hard at this pic:
http://img159.imageshack.us/img159/1580/khiiitheorypp6.jpg

[code-y1994]

i read that you will be able to play as aqua, terra, and ven. which will be awesome!!!!!!

[dyyor]

it might be possible, but the pics ive seen thus far show that you play mainly as terra

[sealed pearl]

Okay, you guys, I was just now playing kingdom hearts one, ONE=1, anyway yeah, I went to talk to Cid and Leon, in the old house in district three, Traverse town, when Cid said that a swarm of heartless took over their world, then Leon said, That was nine years ago. NINE YEARS AGO, before kingdom hearts one. So, heartless were around probably towards the end of birth by sleep?

^_^

http://img136.imageshack.us/img136/9663/bbs5ch1.jpg


Nomura: It is neither, a Heartless or a Nobody, this is a new type of enemy. Because the existence of these creatures came before Heartless and Nobodies a starting point needs to be imaged, and it became a wild concept to them.

Yasushi: Basically it becomes wild. However, its moves are fast!


I'm glad to know that there are people out there who pay attention to even the smallest details in the game.
(Some people skip the scenes and don't read the ansem reports,etc.)
Anyways, I think I found something that has a connection to Birth By Sleep . (I'm not sure)
In KH1 after defeating Chernabog (from Fantasia) you go into the crater and into the volcanic crater and so on. I pushed the select button and saw this.
Look at these pics:

http://img401.imageshack.us/my.php?image=khcasts1.jpg

http://img406.imageshack.us/my.php?image=khcastbc9.jpg

http://img406.imageshack.us/my.php?image=khkhkhkhkhkch8.jpg

http://img337.imageshack.us/my.php?image=khkhkep0.jpg

The first thing that I thought was: This may be Maleficent's castle!
Notice how there are thorns everywhere... *light bulbs on*
^_~
Another thing is: We didn't see how Aurora, Cinderella, Snowhite were kidnapped in KH1...

[Donato11]

I'm gonna have to save up all my pennies for a PSP. I think they should bring the game out with a special edtion PSP. (just for me :P)

This is probably the game out of all three i'm most excited about. The graphics look like they have been pushed to the limit. And i'm wanting to know more about the knigts!

Well maybe they schould bring it out for the PS's too, so that people oh don't have a PSP don't have to buy one.

[The Other Side]

Well maybe they schould bring it out for the PS's too, so that people oh don't have a PSP don't have to buy one.

Yeah, but Square Enix doesn't want to and it would just be a waste of their efforts... if Coded comes out in the US (hopefuly cuz our phones aren't as good as the japenese phones) then i could get all three games... I hope Sephiroth and Cloud are in this game...I also want new spells...and even the 'gun' version of the spells like firagun (In KH2 the accesories had a gun version which is better than ga but it is KH2's equivalent of Final Fantasy's -ja spells).

[rda3]

its gonna be the shizznit, nuthin more! lol

[Alpha Sonix]

Updated Worlds:

Destiny Islands
Twilight Town
Sleeping Beauty
Cinderella
Snow White
Olympus Collesium
Agrabah
Yen Sid's Tower
The Gathering
Radiant Garden

Disney Castle (Might be since Mickey, Donald and Goofy are in it, but might not be playable.)

Tell me if there are any more and I will update the list.

[UtakoYeow]

I'm really depressed that the new ones are all coming out for different things. I mean, god, can't they just pick ONE? I love Kingdom Hearts and I want to see what 'Birth by Sleep' is but I have a feeling the old characters won't be there and I mean, if they don't have the Organization... or Sora, or Riku, or Kairi.... then it's just not Kingdom Hearts.

[Zeftnon - The Superior]

I'm really depressed that the new ones are all coming out for different things. I mean, god, can't they just pick ONE? I love Kingdom Hearts and I want to see what 'Birth by Sleep' is but I have a feeling the old characters won't be there and I mean, if they don't have the Organization... or Sora, or Riku, or Kairi.... then it's just not Kingdom Hearts.

Sora and Riku WILL be seen in BBS as little kids. They might not play any big roles in this game, though. But this will still have the Kingdom Hearts feel; I mean, there's still Disney, including Mickey, Donald, and Goofy, and they're a big part of Kingdom Hearts. The plot is all about how the whole story of Kingdom Hearts started, so we'll definitely remember while playing BBS that the game IS Kingdom Hearts. Nomura says he just wants to give Sora a "break" for the time being; he'll return in the eventual KH3. Also, KH1 didn't have the Organization in it, and it's still Kingdom Hearts, isn't it? After 358/2 Days, we'll probably be satisfied with our knowledge of the Organization because it's all done - Sora and the gang defeated them in KH2; they most likely won't be around in KH3 anymore...

[Axel Knight]

No! Axel! Cooome Baaaack!

[Way_2_The_Dawn]

No! Axel! Cooome Baaaack!

You sure? Axel was defeated in CoM, but he came back. He was defeated by Roxas, but he came back. Xemnas survived more than one (two?) beatings, but he survived. How can we be sure the organization is gone for good?

Maybe the mystery of the Twilight Town Pods will be solved as well? One of the examine quotes says, "There's evidence this was used before." And, "Who built these? And for what purpose?" Chew on THAT!

[twilit_shadow]

The fact is we just don't know much of anything about these games. All we know is what we've seen in scans, and even then it's still speculation. From the looks of it, Sora and Riku will (AT THE VERY LEAST) be mentioned because of the scanned image of them when they were kids. This could mean a Flashback, or it could be real time. But with BBS + Nomura-san, you never know what you'll get.

Didn't mean to burst anyone's bubble with that comment. :sweatdrop: But I do love reading all these theories.

[key dragon]

Anyone sense a full circle in regards to the fact that TERRA is apparently working with MALEFICENT?

[Makkaraattori]

How come Ven lookes just like Roxas? Is it possible that Roxas could be ven's Nobody instead of Soras or something like that?

[exile0025]

i hope they have the Sword in the Stone world in it,that would be so cool

[khlover99]

This is the one I'm uberly anticipating, and hoping to turn out the best out of all the three.

Post idea's and discuss anything about the game in here!
hey bleach isint the only thing u like u like deathnote too huh?

[sakerugen]

i think...(my english is not good,if i have some mistakes,you just leave it...)
i think it must be some relationship between sora and ven(i have seen some of your reply,and..it just my conculsion)
some of you said that besides the look and the name,ven isn't have anything smiliar with sora,i agree with you,but why Tetsuya Nomura did this thing?i don't think that he just follow the three ppl team,it must have something...

and about terra,i also saw one of you reply said that terra's body was took by the master,i think it is not impossible,because in kh2...terra just "appear" in a suit of armor,not his real body...we can have a statement that terra's "soul" is in the suit of armor,not his real body...

i have nothing to say about aqua and kairi...because beside their are girls and have a name meaning of 'water',they have no relationship and aqua isn't appear in the news...

(but if you said i think ven and sora have relationship but aqua and kairi are not?..this is wron..because i don't think they have no relationship but it is nothing to support them,and ven and sora have relationship is just my feeling..)

i have a new idea...birth by sleep...it can be said that something was born because of someone have slept...can i said that?....kairi was born because of terra's sleep...and the doctor sent kairi to the island because of he want a guy to inherit terra?....at last...ven and aqua is 'disappeared', if...if they were died...is it can be said that they use their power to 'born' kairi so kairi is he princess??

(I don't know what i am saying...)

and last,if you have such a time to read my bad grammar english,

THZ....(because i am a hongkonger in 15years old...i will learn more english...THZ!)

[ibtrippin]

i think...(my english is not good,if i have some mistakes,you just leave it...)
i think it must be some relationship between sora and ven(i have seen some of your reply,and..it just my conculsion)
some of you said that besides the look and the name,ven isn't have anything smiliar with sora,i agree with you,but why Tetsuya Nomura did this thing?i don't think that he just follow the three ppl team,it must have something...

and about terra,i also saw one of you reply said that terra's body was took by the master,i think it is not impossible,because in kh2...terra just "appear" in a suit of armor,not his real body...we can have a statement that terra's "soul" is in the suit of armor,not his real body...

i have nothing to say about aqua and kairi...because beside their are girls and have a name meaning of 'water',they have no relationship and aqua isn't appear in the news...

(but if you said i think ven and sora have relationship but aqua and kairi are not?..this is wron..because i don't think they have no relationship but it is nothing to support them,and ven and sora have relationship is just my feeling..)

i have a new idea...birth by sleep...it can be said that something was born because of someone have slept...can i said that?....kairi was born because of terra's sleep...and the doctor sent kairi to the island because of he want a guy to inherit terra?....at last...ven and aqua is 'disappeared', if...if they were died...is it can be said that they use their power to 'born' kairi so kairi is he princess??

(I don't know what i am saying...)

and last,if you have such a time to read my bad grammar english,

THZ....(because i am a hongkonger in 15years old...i will learn more english...THZ!)

after what u said about kairi, it raises some questions about her past, which she has no recallection of. maybe kairi is in some way involved with the keyblade masters? sry for my bad typin...on ps3 D:
EDIT: SUDDEN REALIZATION !! WHAT ABOUT XEANORTS DIS SOUL?? sorry about spelling on ps3 D:

[Kefka VI]

Curses the fact that besides this game, no other PSP games look good>__>
I've beeen thinking, since this game appears darker than the other KH games, they'll be darker worlds. I really want to see a Midgar world

[cloudsfanatasy55]

well it says that the sleeping beauty world might be in it, so we might see how Maleficent gathered all the villans from kh 1 since this game is set in the past just an idea .

really do just wondering do you know when kingdom hearts 3 comes out in english?i really cant figure it out cuz nobody knows or they wont tell me..:confused:

[Dredica]

I'm REALLY going to like this, I mean REALLY. To me the last kingdom hearts games didn't really give you thoughts about things, just about the next game. I wanna play a game thats all about the story, which Nomura said it would. And my theory is that heartless WILL be in the game, find some of my other posts in here to figure out why I think this.http://www.kh-vids.net/showthread.php?t=27606&page=18 click the link to read.

[Clontox]

What are Dis-souls? Are they those things you fight that look like heartless? What exactly are they?

[darkphoenix1836]

Yeah I can't wait for this game! It's for PSP, right? If it is, I'm glad I got the PSP

[Kingdom Hero]

So does anyone have a clue when its comin out? Cause im really excited!!!!!

[O R A N G E]

The release date is, as of now, unknown, Kingdom Hero, to answer your question.

I've been doing some thinking lately about this game and why Ven looks like Roxas, and the only thing I could come up with is that he is in some way related to Sora. Not physically related, like father son, but some other way, possible similar to the way Sora and Roxas are related. It is obviously not a coincidence that they look this way, and with the games taking place in the past, it makes sense, so there should be a connection between the two.

I've also been thinking about the meaning of the word 'Chasers' and the role of Terra, Aqua, and Ven. It's obvious that they're some kind of warriors or at least trained fighters or something by the way they have similar armor and the way they fought the battle in the scene, which leads us all to think that they are some sort of team with the title of Chasers. I suppose I'm okay with the the theory that they are called Chasers, but I'd like to see what their motives are. Are they friends of Mickey's? Enemies? And how is Aqua connected to Organization XII?

rawrawrawr speculationnnn sometimes makes my brain hurt.

I'm completely bewildered at Master Xehanort's role in this. He is apparently an enemy to T,V, and A, who appear to be friends with Xemnas because of the cutscene in FM+, but Xemnas' name before becoming a nobody was Xehanort, so something there doesn't add up. If anybody has any theories on his role and purpose or anything, I'd love to hear them.

I've ignored this thread the whole time it was here. Yay for new discoveries.

[Kingdom Hero]

well,we all should know by now tht roxas is sora's nobody and namine is kairi's nobody.... I heard from my friend tht sora wasnt acctually the chosen keyblade wielder, he said he saw a video tht said sora's family his like great great great ancestors were the chosen keyblade wieders!!!!im not totally sure if thts true or not.

isnt the keyblade war all about finding the true keyblade weilder???

Its all confuzing!!! lol !!!

[darkphoenix1836]

well,we all should know by now tht roxas is sora's nobody and namine is kairi's nobody.... I heard from my friend tht sora wasnt acctually the chosen keyblade wielder, he said he saw a video tht said sora's family his like great great great ancestors were the chosen keyblade wieders!!!!im not totally sure if thts true or not.

isnt the keyblade war all about finding the true keyblade weilder???

Its all confuzing!!! lol !!!

Here's my theory: Terra, Aqua, and Ven are apprentices of an unknown guy and were ordered to destroy that...dude..with the bald head (forget his name already, oy x_x) and...so yeah. Since the story will take place ten years earlier...well...that would make Sora...5 years old. O.O maybe one of them gives Sora a keyblade or something..............i don't know. my theories suck. and yeah, i can't wait for the game to come out. i wish it was coming out for PS2 though...but i have a PSP so no worries.

[Kingdom Hero]

ur theory might work, but heres mine: I think tht xemnas and king mckey had it planned tht he would find a way for sora to somehow get chosen by bravery. idk dont listen to me lol my theories are retarded lol

[sora roxas60]

I want to play this game so bad! The story is so sprawling and well-written! I've been seeing screens in magazines and online. I just hope that it comes stateside and that I have a PSP by then...

[O R A N G E]

well,we all should know by now tht roxas is sora's nobody and namine is kairi's nobody.... I heard from my friend tht sora wasnt acctually the chosen keyblade wielder, he said he saw a video tht said sora's family his like great great great ancestors were the chosen keyblade wieders!!!!im not totally sure if thts true or not.

isnt the keyblade war all about finding the true keyblade weilder???

Its all confuzing!!! lol !!!

Well, your friend could just be speculating. There is no source giving us any information at the moment, so I'm assuming that's only speculation, and it is a theory that is probably very unlikely. We're unsure at the moment what the keyblade war is about as well. Yes, it is confusing, that is why everyone tries to theorize and discuss it with others beforehand.

[Ame-chan]

So. Remember the vid in KHIIFM+, called "An Old Friend", when Master Ansem(or who was that, I can`t remember x_x) sat on the throne and said to the armor: "It`s been a long time, my friend".
The armor and KeyBlade belonged to Aqua.
Does it mean...Aqua is dead?
What do you think about it?

[dyyor]

Xemnas survived more than one (two?)


correction, he took about 4 beatings, but he just wouldnt go down!

lol, i enjoyed finishing him with thunder each time, instead of finishing a combo xD

So. Remember the vid in KHIIFM+, called "An Old Friend", when Master Ansem(or who was that, I can`t remember x_x) sat on the throne and said to the armor: "It`s been a long time, my friend".
The armor and KeyBlade belonged to Aqua.
Does it mean...Aqua is dead?
What do you think about it?

that guy is xemnas, and the room is called the room of sleep, yes that is aquas armor, and yes she is most likely dead.
xemnas calls aqua 'old friend' because he was originally white haired xehanort, white haired xeha is master xeha in terra's body. terra and aqua are apperently friends, so it would make sense that xeha recovered that much of his memory before goin all bad-ass-gonna-keel-u-wit-heartless-guy

[Zeftnon - The Superior]

Man, besides the story don't you think the gameplay is gonna be awesome? Playing as all three of them, each with their own fighting style, and the new battle system (no more buttom mashing!). Plus, Xigbar said that Sora didn't "look like half the hero the others were.". Since he meant VAT, they've gotta be good. Look at Terra and Ven's gameplay screens - Terra looks as if he uses both Fire and Blizzard at the same time, Ven's Thunder looks like Final Form's Thunder, and Ven's melee attack has such a long distance!

[LazerLynk]

well it says that the sleeping beauty world might be in it, so we might see how Maleficent gathered all the villans from kh 1 since this game is set in the past just an idea .


How far into the past is it?

[dyyor]

How far into the past is it?

if u had been paying attention, its about 10 years in the past

[cybcharlz]

Hey hear me out even if it is a stupid idea but..
don't ya think that Xehanort kinda looks like Ansem?
Just take away that crappy beard and shimmering bald head...

[clawtooth35]

Which ansem ther's like 4.

Ansem the Wise
Xemnas
Xehanort
Xehanorts Heartless/Riku Ansem

???

Edit: I Just Realised, Ven Aqua Terra spells VAT, The BBS Heros are going to tax us !!!

[JaxonXIII]

Right now, I only want to know why Chernabog was in End of the World. Hope this game tells us.

[Hero Form]

Will Terra, Aqua, and Ven all be playable?

[Kingdom Hero]

wait who are terra aqua venn?

[Hero Form]

wait who are terra aqua venn?

The three main characters. They were in the KH2 secret ending, and they were in the KH2 FM+ secret ending.

[Chevalier]

ummm, have you noticed , the badges or insignias (whatever) pins? , ven and terra have in their clothing

i know ive seen them both before, ven has the simbol of a nobody and terra.............well , i think, i saw that symbol in TWTNW inside the big castle? , all i know is i think i saw it, here look for yourself

[Finalmaster2]

The release date is, as of now, unknown, Kingdom Hero, to answer your question.

I've been doing some thinking lately about this game and why Ven looks like Roxas, and the only thing I could come up with is that he is in some way related to Sora. Not physically related, like father son, but some other way, possible similar to the way Sora and Roxas are related. It is obviously not a coincidence that they look this way, and with the games taking place in the past, it makes sense, so there should be a connection between the two.

I've also been thinking about the meaning of the word 'Chasers' and the role of Terra, Aqua, and Ven. It's obvious that they're some kind of warriors or at least trained fighters or something by the way they have similar armor and the way they fought the battle in the scene, which leads us all to think that they are some sort of team with the title of Chasers. I suppose I'm okay with the the theory that they are called Chasers, but I'd like to see what their motives are. Are they friends of Mickey's? Enemies? And how is Aqua connected to Organization XII?

rawrawrawr speculationnnn sometimes makes my brain hurt.

I'm completely bewildered at Master Xehanort's role in this. He is apparently an enemy to T,V, and A, who appear to be friends with Xemnas because of the cutscene in FM+, but Xemnas' name before becoming a nobody was Xehanort, so something there doesn't add up. If anybody has any theories on his role and purpose or anything, I'd love to hear them.

I've ignored this thread the whole time it was here. Yay for new discoveries.


I've been doing some digging up and I noticed from one member of this forum (sorry, can't remember topic nor user) an interesting post. He told in that that how Terra would KH II's Xemnas (Xehanort). It's really simple, Xemnas's eyes go from blue to orange as do Terras go too. Also, Terra and Xemnas do remind each other, even though their hairs look different.

I think that Terra get's defeated/defeats/get's possesed by Master Xehanort (BBS, the bald guy) and starts his experiments later on with the REAL Ansem (King Mickey's friend, known also as DiZ). He also starts calling himself as Xehanort, most likely to blame himself from what happened in the past. This way he loses his heart and becomes into two new characters, Ansem (KH I, known now as Xemnas's Heartless) and Xemnas (Xehanort, KH II).

As far what comes to Aquas armor in Radiant Garden, I think that Terra/Xemnas is a brother of Aquas. How come? If you look close enough you can see Terra/Xemnas typing BROTHER as user-name in Radiant Garden. I don't think he would use that for fun, eh? The reason why he says "It's been a long time my friend." is simple. Terra is dead and he has become Ansem & Xemnas. Xemnas hasn't been in Radiant Garden most likely after Terra died. Or maybe he has lost some of his memories and returned later to see the armor of Aquas.

But why is Aquas armor in Radiant Garden? That, I'm not sure. I think that Aqua died in Birth by sleep by Master Xehanort or then Terra killed him. Terra could've been possessed by the darkness later in BBS and so he killed Aqua. He took Aquas armor to some place safe and then he started his experiments with Ansem and company.

But what about Ven's connection to Roxas? This is quite hard, I have no 100 % theory about this. It might be so that Ven is original person and Roxas does just look like him. This does sound stupid since Nomura already told us that Ven and Roxas do have some connection. I can't really tell for sure but there must be something what we have missed since we can't tell who Ven really is. Ven could be Soras brother, older one, since Sora was only 5 years old and wouldn't remember Ven. Or maybe Ven never met Sora. This would explain most likely why Roxas and Ven look a like.

Or maybe Roxas really had a heart and he never was a Nobody in the first place? Maybe Ven was before Roxas and after he died Master Xehanort somehow made Ven to be Soras Nobody after all.

Lot's of theories and no permanent proof on anything really. Most likely we have to wait for more news or BBS to come out. I really do think that Nomura is going to make BBS : Final Mix for PlayStation 3. I thought when Chain of Memories came out that he wouldn't put it as remix to PS2 but what do you know, he did.

[Hero Form]

ummm, have you noticed , the badges or insignias (whatever) pins? , ven and terra have in their clothing

i know ive seen them both before, ven has the simbol of a nobody and terra.............well , i think, i saw that symbol in TWTNW inside the big castle? , all i know is i think i saw it, here look for yourself

Are these symbols the same? I can't tell.

[Roxazthelight]

Are these symbols the same? I can't tell.

yeah, maybe same, and different color, WAIT!! yellow meant Earth, and Light Blue meant wind, Right? (how about Aqua? deep blue maybe?)

[Devrev]

I read that its gonna be about Terra, Aqua, and Ven searching for Master Xehanort and his apprentice.

So, I guess its safe to assume now that Baldy is Master Xehanort and the creepy spiderman dude is his apprentice. Perhaps that is the Xehanort we all know.

PS: Terra's normal outfit looks so tight.
Idk why but for some reason i have a really big hunch that Axel and Terra are somehow connected..just thought it throw it out for some brainstorming ,

[Roxas2605]

I dont think its his apprentice

notice how he comes from Master xehanorts body

could it be his heartless?

[Devrev]

yeah, maybe same, and different color, WAIT!! yellow meant Earth, and Light Blue meant wind, Right? (how about Aqua? deep blue maybe?)
Hmm well U know Riku, Kairi, and Sora all mean the elements too, their names tho like Sora means Sky or something Riku - Land and Kairi- Water So maybe they are somehow connected.? We know that Ven looks alot like Roxas which in turn is soras nobody, we see terras eyes changing color in the end of the vid and well riku has his darkside... and well is it just me or does aqua and younger kairi have the same haircut?

[Roxas2605]

I think the Knights are all connected to sora,riku and kairi.

[Devrev]

I think the Knights are all connected to sora,riku and kairi.

Well they ahve to be in some way they share the elements and also all three of them can use keyblades.. well all six of them.. in kh2 u see kairi using a keyblade that looks all flowery and riku has Road to dawn.. so weilding a keyblade isnt what it used to be. Theres some connection betweeen the knights and those three we just dont know what.

[Roxas2605]

Isnt that what i said : theres a connection

[Devrev]

Isnt that what i said : theres a connection

Im just Justifying your thought lol showing another reason why i think its true as well

[Roxas2605]

they share keyblades and name meanings

[Devrev]

One more thing.. How do u change ur title? im tired of being a Moogle assistant lmao

[Roxas2605]

2 things

1. thats completely off topic you keep posting and you earn it

2. Is the armor in the chamber of rest connected in anyway to BBS

[Devrev]

2 things

1. thats completely off topic you keep posting and you earn it

2. Is the armor in the chamber of rest connected in anyway to BBS

Lol sorry i just needed to know and I havent seen the armor in the actual game, unfortunatly my ps2 broke and i have failed to afford a new one so i havent the honor of seeing that armor yet lol

[Dredica]

The keyblades that Master Xehanort and his apprentice have, have eyes on them. And you guys need to stop spamming up this thread.