BBS Theories and Questions...

[Destiny's Force]

Stop me if you heard these before. I don't really have any evidence to back up these theories, but...

That guy in the black helmet seen in the BBS secret ending split off from "Master Xehanort", right? I'm thinking, what if this masked guy is the Xehanort that becomes Ansem the Wise's apprentice? Before Xehanort took his "Master Ansem's" name, he took the name "Xehanort" from his "Master Xehanort"?

And this has probably already been theorized, but:

Ven=Sora's father?

Maybe the Keyblade or Master Xehanort corrupted him somehow, so he erased any memories of his existence in Destiny Islands to protect Sora from becoming a/the Keyblade master.

Another question: Remember the story that Kairi's grandmother was telling back in the first KH? Does anyone think that tale has any connection to this game (or either of the other two)?

Long ago, the world was united and filled with warm light.

People loved the light, and eventually began fighting over it.

Then, darkness found its way into people's hearts.

Darkness consumed the hears and light of the people, and in a flash it spread...

The world disappeared into the darkness.

But a glimmer of light remained in the hearts of children...

Children gathered their shimmers ofl ight and recreated the world.

The recreated world, however, was no longer united...

It was divided into several smaller worlds.

Because the true light was still hidden deep within the darkness...

Any thoughts/contradictions?

[TabbyRoxas]

Nothing you said made any sense to me.
Dont use Tautology. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tautology_%28rhetoric%29)

[Destiny's Force]

Do you mean clarify? Alright, I'll try.

1. The man we know as Xehanort. The one who became Ansem the Wise's apprentice. The guy that eventually split into a Heartless and Xemnas. What if he's that masked guy back in KH2FM's secret movie? His Heartless stole Ansem the Wise's name for his own (hence the first Ansem's Reports). What if the man we know as Xehanort (the one who worked under Ansem the Wise) isn't really Xehanort at all, but is just some type of spawned clone? For explaining purposes I'm going to be calling him X1.

The old man in the BBS trailer was named "Master Xehanort", right? I'll call this guy MstrX. The black-clad guy that was with him; could he be X1? We saw him split from MstrX. That might explain why his name is "Xehanort" as well.

According to the Ansem's Other Report 1, AtW found X1 with no memory of who he really was. The same thing happened to both Roxas and Namine when they first became Nobodies. Neither of them knew where they originally came from. X1 might have been that spawned off clone that appeared with MstrX. Sort of like how a Nobody is the other half of a Heartless, but one with a heart. Since Heartless and Nobodies don't exist yet, he could be something completely different. Something might've happened during BBS which caused X1 to lose his memories and ended up becoming the assistant to AtW.

Of course, this is all assuming that the black-clad guy that split off from MstrX is X1.

I guess what I'm trying to say is there are two Xehanorts: the old guy "Master Xehanort" and the Xehanort that became "Ansem" and "Xemnas". Does any of this make sense?


2. My next question. Is Ven, Sora's father?

"The Keyblade is said to hold phenomenal power. One legend says its wielder saved the world, while another says that he wrought chaos and ruin upon it."

That's what we see in the secret trailer in KH2.

We also know Roxas and Ven are two completely different entities based on the interview with Nomura:

"You will be able to seperate Ven from Roxas with ease, I will hint though by connecting the Story between Roxas and Sora, you will understand who Ven is."

If the theory holds true, maybe something happens in his storyline which causes the "chaos" that's being referred to. The event causes great tragedy for Ven. He knows Sora is a descendant of a Keyblade master. To prevent Sora from going down the same dark path that he had, he probably left the Destiny Islands before Sora was born. Of course this is all speculation, though.


3. And as for my third question:
The story that Kairi's grandmother was telling her. Remember?

Long ago, the world was united and filled with warm light.

People loved the light, and eventually began fighting over it.

Then, darkness found its way into people's hearts.

Darkness consumed the hearts and light of the people, and in a flash it spread...

The world disappeared into the darkness.

But a glimmer of light remained in the hearts of children...

Children gathered their shimmers of light and recreated the world.

The recreated world, however, was no longer united...

It was divided into several smaller worlds.

Because the true light was still hidden deep within the darkness...

That story hasn't exactly been touched anywhere in Chain of Memories or KH2. But does anyone think that it has any relation to the Keyblade wars? If not, then what was the whole point of it in the first place?

[riafsixlm]

Do you mean clarify? Alright, I'll try.

1. The man we know as Xehanort. The one who became Ansem the Wise's apprentice. The guy that eventually split into a Heartless and Xemnas. What if he's that masked guy back in KH2FM's secret movie? His Heartless stole Ansem the Wise's name for his own (hence the first Ansem's Reports). What if the man we know as Xehanort (the one who worked under Ansem the Wise) isn't really Xehanort at all, but is just some type of spawned clone? For explaining purposes I'm going to be calling him X1.

The old man in the BBS trailer was named "Master Xehanort", right? I'll call this guy MstrX. The black-clad guy that was with him; could he be X1? We saw him split from MstrX. That might explain why his name is "Xehanort" as well.

According to the Ansem's Other Report 1, AtW found X1 with no memory of who he really was. The same thing happened to both Roxas and Namine when they first became Nobodies. Neither of them knew where they originally came from. X1 might have been that spawned off clone that appeared with MstrX. Sort of like how a Nobody is the other half of a Heartless, but one with a heart. Since Heartless and Nobodies don't exist yet, he could be something completely different. Something might've happened during BBS which caused X1 to lose his memories and ended up becoming the assistant to AtW.

Of course, this is all assuming that the black-clad guy that split off from MstrX is X1.

I guess what I'm trying to say is there are two Xehanorts: the old guy "Master Xehanort" and the Xehanort that became "Ansem" and "Xemnas". Does any of this make sense?


2. My next question. Is Ven, Sora's father?



That's what we see in the secret trailer in KH2.

We also know Roxas and Ven are two completely different entities based on the interview with Nomura:



If the theory holds true, maybe something happens in his storyline which causes the "chaos" that's being referred to. The event causes great tragedy for Ven. He knows Sora is a descendant of a Keyblade master. To prevent Sora from going down the same dark path that he had, he probably left the Destiny Islands before Sora was born. Of course this is all speculation, though.


3. And as for my third question:
The story that Kairi's grandmother was telling her. Remember?



That story hasn't exactly been touched anywhere in Chain of Memories or KH2. But does anyone think that it has any relation to the Keyblade wars? If not, then what was the whole point of it in the first place?


Well, the thing about the story was kinda explained at the end of KH. Remember, the "light within the darkness", Kingdom Hearts and in KHII, the door from The Darkness that took Sora and Riku home? Sure, all that stuff hasn't really been explained too well so it might be valid in the upcoming games.

[tc831]

i have a theroy you no how there is a door to the past aka timeless river maybe theres also a door to the future?

[RikuStalker]

And I think Ven is a little too young to be Sora's father.

Unless he was a bad boy ^^;;

[Destiny's Force]

i have a theroy you no how there is a door to the past aka timeless river maybe theres also a door to the future?

You know, now that you mention it...how was Pete able to summon that door anyways? I mean, he was bawling like the henchman he was and all of a sudden the door shows up. And then, Merlin was able to summon another door just like it. Maybe you summon those doorways the same way you summon the Keyblade.



And I think Ven is a little too young to be Sora's father.

Unless he was a bad boy ^^;;

BTW, did Nomura ever confirm how old Ven was? If not, then for all we know he could be a whole lot older than he looks. ;)

But what'd you think about the Xehanort theory? Are there really two Xehanorts: "Master Xehanort" and the "Xehanort" that becomes Ansem the Wise's apprentice?

[Solid Snake]

theres already a bbs thread...

[riafsixlm]

[QUOTE=Destiny's Force;938146]You know, now that you mention it...how was Pete able to summon that door anyways? I mean, he was bawling like the henchman he was and all of a sudden the door shows up. And then, Merlin was able to summon another door just like it. Maybe you summon those doorways the same way you summon the Keyblade.




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I think it has to do wit "memories", like how the memories of The Three Good Fairies brought Malificent back to life. Pete was talking about the "good old days"...

[Donaut]

To tell you the truth, I don't think the person in the bicycle helmet is Ansem's apprentice. I think that the old Xehanort takes Terra's body and makes it his own.

[tc831]

To tell you the truth, I don't think the person in the bicycle helmet is Ansem's apprentice. I think that the old Xehanort takes Terra's body and makes it his own.

yeah maybe like how in the first 1 ansem(Xehanort) took over rikus body. but with terra he lost

[DarkAnubis]

Stop me if you heard these before. I don't really have any evidence to back up these theories, but...

That guy in the black helmet seen in the BBS secret ending split off from "Master Xehanort", right? I'm thinking, what if this masked guy is the Xehanort that becomes Ansem the Wise's apprentice? Before Xehanort took his "Master Ansem's" name, he took the name "Xehanort" from his "Master Xehanort"?

And this has probably already been theorized, but:

Ven=Sora's father?

Maybe the Keyblade or Master Xehanort corrupted him somehow, so he erased any memories of his existence in Destiny Islands to protect Sora from becoming a/the Keyblade master.

Another question: Remember the story that Kairi's grandmother was telling back in the first KH? Does anyone think that tale has any connection to this game (or either of the other two)?



Any thoughts/contradictions?

Yeah I think you are right, and also about Kairi we might be able to find out more about her past, lets not forget that she was one of the Princesses of Heart, and that she wasn´t born in the Destiny Islands. And if you werent right, it´s a pretty good theory xD.
But I don´t think that the masked guy is Ansem the Wise´s Apprentice, I think he is maybe a part of Xenahort, like Roxas is a part of Sora.

[UzumakiRage]

I think the masked guy is the Master Xehanort's Souless(Souless is the name of BBS enemy if I'm not wrong) and Xehanort, the one found by Ansem the Wise, is some kind of reincarnation of MX after his probably defeat in BBS. Also, I don't think Ven is Sora's father. They have some kind of connection but it isn't a relationship.

[Darkwatch]

Well, considering he had almost no memory of anything prior to that, it wasn't up to him to decide his own name (if it was the clone-guy). I believe it was AtW that named him, right?

[Way2Dawn]

Mabey Ven is Sora's father and Terra is his mother, since it seems they have a conection:huh:

[DarkAnubis]

Mabey Ven is Sora's father and Terra is his mother, since it seems they have a conection:huh:

But, isn´t Terra the DUDE that looks a bit like Leon?

[timeless]

Mabey Ven is Sora's father and Terra is his mother, since it seems they have a conection:huh:

Unless Terra is a transvestite THEY ARE BOTH DUDES:/

[Way2Dawn]

What! I thought Terra was a chick! Wait then who was with Ven, you know when he gets frozen?

[Destiny's Force]

That'd be Ven, the Roxas look-alike.

[Way2Dawn]

That'd be Ven, the Roxas look-alike.

No, who was WITH Ven?

[Destiny's Force]

No, who was WITH Ven?

Okay, there are only six characters in the entire BBS trailer. Terra (the one with the glowy eye thing at the end), Aqua (the blue-haired chick), Ven (the Roxas look-alike), Master Xehanort (ol' baldy), Mickey (that's pretty much obvious) and some guy that we have no idea how he relates to the plot (the guy in the Dark Riku suit). :sideways:

[Way2Dawn]

Okay, there are only six characters in the entire BBS trailer. Terra (the one with the glowy eye thing at the end), Aqua (the blue-haired chick), Ven (the Roxas look-alike), Master Xehanort (ol' baldy), Mickey (that's pretty much obvious) and some guy that we have no idea how he relates to the plot (the guy in the Dark Riku suit). :sideways:

Okay I'm talking about the secret video at the end of KH2. When Ven gets frozen, someone comes by and leans over him. I'm saying that I think they might be together.

[Destiny's Force]

Okay I'm talking about the secret video at the end of KH2. When Ven gets frozen, someone comes by and leans over him. I'm saying that I think they might be together.

That'd be Aqua. We don't know the relationship between those two. Whether it's attraction or parental.

[Way2Dawn]

That'd be Aqua. We don't know the relationship between those two. Whether it's attraction or parental.

OH! Thanx DF!:stupid:

[daxma]

Stop me if you heard these before. I don't really have any evidence to back up these theories, but...

That guy in the black helmet seen in the BBS secret ending split off from "Master Xehanort", right? I'm thinking, what if this masked guy is the Xehanort that becomes Ansem the Wise's apprentice? Before Xehanort took his "Master Ansem's" name, he took the name "Xehanort" from his "Master Xehanort"?

And this has probably already been theorized, but:

Ven=Sora's father?

Maybe the Keyblade or Master Xehanort corrupted him somehow, so he erased any memories of his existence in Destiny Islands to protect Sora from becoming a/the Keyblade master.

Another question: Remember the story that Kairi's grandmother was telling back in the first KH? Does anyone think that tale has any connection to this game (or either of the other two)?



Any thoughts/contradictions?I don't agree with the ven theory because ven was about 15 when sora was 4 but there is a chance of the Xeahnort theory.I'm glad you broke away from the average theories.

[Revelry]

Stop me if you heard these before. I don't really have any evidence to back up these theories, but...

That guy in the black helmet seen in the BBS secret ending split off from "Master Xehanort", right? I'm thinking, what if this masked guy is the Xehanort that becomes Ansem the Wise's apprentice? Before Xehanort took his "Master Ansem's" name, he took the name "Xehanort" from his "Master Xehanort"?


Yes, i agree with this. it works. I dont know how MX summoned what you are calling xehanort, but I think its pretty plausible.
Then again, its not...so far we've seen in kingdom hearts that when you split into two people, the new person formed is the exact same person as the original, just with a different personality/different side of the heart. If this proves true for bbs...then that dark soldier can only be a MX look-a-like in a suit.

And this has probably already been theorized, but:

Ven=Sora's father?

Maybe the Keyblade or Master Xehanort corrupted him somehow, so he erased any memories of his existence in Destiny Islands to protect Sora from becoming a/the Keyblade master.

Another question: Remember the story that Kairi's grandmother was telling back in the first KH? Does anyone think that tale has any connection to this game (or either of the other two)?



Any thoughts/contradictions?

STOP!
Ven cannot be Sora's dad...for some reason its rare, but theres a magazine scan showing terra and ven, looking at 4 year old and 5 year old sora and riku. Ven looks 16. Take away 4 from 16 and you have 12...
a father being 12 years older than his son. doesnt make sense. I'd say that out of the 3, Terra, Ven and Aqua, only Terra is an adult.

[Way2Dawn]

Yeah, but there is a theory that the "knights" have the ability to go forward and backward in time.

[Revelry]

Yeah, but there is a theory that the "knights" have the ability to go forward and backward in time.

thats exactly what it is. a theory. that means its not true, because it hasnt been proven.