Why Ven looks like Roxas *MAJOR SPOILERS!*

[SӓiḺØr N.Ø.I.$.E]

ok....think back...would anything weve seen in the KH games make us think that Ven and Roxas are linked? NO! thats why its so darn confusing!

here are some facts we know they have in common---

A) Ven is a Keyblade master
B) so is Roxas
C) Ven has been on destiney Island
D) Roxas' somebody (sora) lives on Destiney Island
E) Roxas and Ven look very similar...TOO similar (and there sharing a voice actor)

THE MAJOR SPOILER!!!----------------
Ven is soras older brother and went off to fight Xehanort and the new enemy things (not heartless) but he made Sora and Riku and the whole island forget about him so that if he never came back they didnt have to worrie about him
(kairis hasnt shown up yet)
and Sora's nobodie took the form of his long lost brother but he didnt remeber cuz Ven made him forget!! but Soras heart didnt! but Soras mind did!

Heartless*

[tc831]

ok....think back...would anything weve seen in the KH games make us think that Ven and Roxas are linked? NO! thats why its so darn confusing!

here are some facts we know they have in common---

A) Ven is a Keyblade master
B) so is Roxas
C) Ven has been on destiney Island
D) Roxas' somebody (sora) lives on Destiney Island
E) Roxas and Ven look very similar...TOO similar (and there sharing a voice actor)

THE MAJOR SPOILER!!!----------------
Ven is soras older brother and went off to fight Xehanort and the new enemy things (not heartless) but he made Sora and Riku and the whole island forget about him so that if he never came back they didnt have to worrie about him
(kairis hasnt shown up yet)
and Sora's nobodie took the form of his long lost brother but he didnt remeber cuz Ven made him forget!! but Soras heart didnt! but Soras mind did!

Heartless*

very interesting theroy but who is to say they even no sora or riku just because they see them fighting on the beach dosnt mean they no them

[Mirai]

ok....think back...would anything weve seen in the KH games make us think that Ven and Roxas are linked? NO! thats why its so darn confusing!

here are some facts we know they have in common---

A) Ven is a Keyblade master
B) so is Roxas
C) Ven has been on destiney Island
D) Roxas' somebody (sora) lives on Destiney Island
E) Roxas and Ven look very similar...TOO similar (and there sharing a voice actor)

THE MAJOR SPOILER!!!----------------
Ven is soras older brother and went off to fight Xehanort and the new enemy things (not heartless) but he made Sora and Riku and the whole island forget about him so that if he never came back they didnt have to worrie about him
(kairis hasnt shown up yet)
and Sora's nobodie took the form of his long lost brother but he didnt remeber cuz Ven made him forget!! but Soras heart didnt! but Soras mind did!

Heartless*

That must be some good stuff you're smokin'.

Any sources? And, no, "Out of my own ***" doesn't count.

[SӓiḺØr N.Ø.I.$.E]

LOL!!!!!

well...my HEAD then! xD

no no...but it does kinda work if u kinda just believe....it makes sence to me! ok! it works in my head and its alot better then some of the other stuff out there

soras dad please *rolls eyes*

Heartless*

[werkku6]

Intresting theory, i think its one of the best theorys i have readed so far. But i dont know, why do you think that Ven is keyblade master? Cause we have never seen him to use keyblade, but they use swords, that looks like keyblades, but these swords arent keyblades, cause there is no keychain in them.

[he's-got-a-heart]

LOL!!!!!

well...my HEAD then! xD

no no...but it does kinda work if u kinda just believe....it makes sence to me! ok! it works in my head and its alot better then some of the other stuff out there

soras dad please *rolls eyes*

Heartless*
Well actually it would make more sense if Ven was Sora father... Since Ven would be half of Sora (you know since he's his dad) and equally Roxas 'holds half of what Sora owns'. They're both half of Sora, so why not?

[Crumpet]

wherre did you get ur info - that is a good theory though

[SORA!]

yeah it,it`d be cool if ven was sora`s brother...he seems a little young to be his dad.i mean sora`s already four or five when they see him and ven looks about seventeen or something

[Anniexo]

Well actually it would make more sense if Ven was Sora father... Since Ven would be half of Sora (you know since he's his dad) and equally Roxas 'holds half of what Sora owns'. They're both half of Sora, so why not?

I somewhat agree with that, but Ven vould also be Sora's older brother, we'll just have to wait and see.

[Repliku]

I could see Ven as being Sora's older brother as you said or another idea came to me that Ven merged with Sora at some time to hide within him until the time was right, and when Roxas occurred, it was Ven in a way that emerged but of course he wouldn't remember. The hair and everything on Ven looks just about like Roxas. So I figured since Xehanort/Xemnas might be Terra, Ven's spirit might have hidden in Sora and well, I ponder why Riku then was destined to be the Keyblade wielder...but eh, we'll all come up with something. =:)

The other reason I think Ven might have gone within Sora in spirit is because of the voice in KH1 and the path he had to take to choose what he'd be and all, and face the Darkside coming. Also, it seemed Riku had a similar dream so I ponder if he too didn't have connections to Terra, but because of that, he was plagued by Xehanort's Heartless too.

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[neokeymaster]

not an impossible theory, but until we know the facts, just a theory, I have a theory that terra might be the voice that guided sora throughout KH1 and put him through the test

One thing we CAN assume is that Ven just looks like Roxas for some soon-to-be-revealed reason, but he isnt actually Roxas, as nomura said, these guys are new

[Lord Knight Xiron]

You roll your eyes to Sora's father but give us Sora's long-lost older brother?

[SORA!]

long lost brother sounds better than father because he doesnt look alot older than sora is in kh2 does he? im guessing hes about 17 or 18 at oldest.and i dont think he is soras dad because sora`s alrady four or five when they see him and riku fighting....so his dad...hhmmm i dont think so...i doubt that he is his brother either but it would be cool if he was...but i doubt it

[Lord Knight Xiron]

long lost brother sounds better than father because he doesnt look alot older than sora is in kh2 does he? im guessing hes about 17 or 18 at oldest.and i dont think he is soras dad because sora`s alrady four or five when they see him and riku fighting....so his dad...hhmmm i dont think so...i doubt that he is his brother either but it would be cool if he was...but i doubt it

I doubt that he's part of Sora's bloodline at all.

[SORA!]

probaly not but it would be cool if he was...i will be so shocked i he is...oh well...

[DiveIntoTheHeart]

**To the original thread starter post thing**

o.o? That kinda made my head hurt...

Of course... if it WAS Sora's older bro... that MIGHT make some sense..... I mean... It was never revealed if Sora had siblings or not.

Still... that made me confused....

[SORA!]

i doubt sora does...but i think when ven got frozen and kingdom hearts open or whatever it did his and aquas hearts got taken but somehow vens went to soras therefor thats why roxas looks like ven..but i dont like they look that much a like.vens got brighter hair,lighter eyes and a thiner face than roxas has...

[DiveIntoTheHeart]

i doubt sora does...but i think when ven got frozen and kingdom hearts open or whatever it did his and aquas hearts got taken but somehow vens went to soras therefor thats why roxas looks like ven..but i dont like they look that much a like.vens got brighter hair,lighter eyes and a thiner face than roxas has...

Hmmm.... Maybe... And i wouldn't know if his features are lighter.... they look the same to me... XD

[SORA!]

lol then again roxas was in the white room with namine and ven was at the colisum so it might have been the lighting i dunno

[DiveIntoTheHeart]

lol then again roxas was in the white room with namine and ven was at the colisum so it might have been the lighting i dunno

Haha... It probably was lighting... the White Room always makes things look lighter than they are.

[ShadowMancer]

ok....think back...would anything weve seen in the KH games make us think that Ven and Roxas are linked? NO! thats why its so darn confusing!

here are some facts we know they have in common---

A) Ven is a Keyblade master
B) so is Roxas
C) Ven has been on destiney Island
D) Roxas' somebody (sora) lives on Destiney Island
E) Roxas and Ven look very similar...TOO similar (and there sharing a voice actor)

THE MAJOR SPOILER!!!----------------
Ven is soras older brother and went off to fight Xehanort and the new enemy things (not heartless) but he made Sora and Riku and the whole island forget about him so that if he never came back they didnt have to worrie about him
(kairis hasnt shown up yet)
and Sora's nobodie took the form of his long lost brother but he didnt remeber cuz Ven made him forget!! but Soras heart didnt! but Soras mind did!

Heartless*
...Wow. I always new Sora had an older brother!
Where'd you find out this stuff? And how could Ven erase their memories. It's way too much hassle to erase everyone's memories!

[Akino]

I always thought Sora was an only child. Plus, long lost brother theory seems too far-fetched.

Nomura said that Ven wasn't connect to Sora. Only to Roxas, but he did /hint/ that there might be a connection with Sora too. But I doubt it'll be that big.

[SORA!]

roxas could be vens heart....like ven lost his heart somehow and it went to sora so when so lost his heart he lost vens too and thats why roxas looks like him...

[ShadowMancer]

roxas could be vens heart....like ven lost his heart somehow and it went to sora so when so lost his heart he lost vens too and thats why roxas looks like him...
Kind of like when Kairi's heart went to Sora's?

[DiveIntoTheHeart]

I always thought Sora was an only child. Plus, long lost brother theory seems too far-fetched.

Nomura said that Ven wasn't connect to Sora. Only to Roxas, but he did /hint/ that there might be a connection with Sora too. But I doubt it'll be that big.


I've wondered how that worked... But how could he be connected to Roxas...but not Sora?

[Akino]

^^^

We'll leave that up to Nomura to clear that up to us. But before he does, let's try speculate more logically?

[SORA!]

Kind of like when Kairi's heart went to Sora's?

yeah like that...but then again roxas does kinda look like sora just a little....but not much so maybe ven is conected to sora too

[ShadowMancer]

yeah like that...but then again roxas does kinda look like sora just a little....but not much so maybe ven is conected to sora too
Wow. Sora's becomeing a center for lost hearts...
O.o

[SORA!]

yep he`s got this big sign on his chest saying"ALL LOST HEARTS WELCOME! ENJOY YOUR STAY!" lol didnt you see it? jk

[he's-got-a-heart]

roxas could be vens heart....like ven lost his heart somehow and it went to sora so when so lost his heart he lost vens too and thats why roxas looks like him...

Yeah that might explain why there was speculation about Roxas having a heart,,, Maybe it was Ven's?

[SORA!]

anythings possible...^^we may never know

[Darkwatch]

You have a decent theory basis.

Work on it more, in more detail.

Ven being an older brother does make a lot of sense, though. Keep working on the theory.

Here's what I decided to add to your theory (I changed it a little, I mean):

Ven is Sora's older brother and went off to fight Xehanort and the new enemy things (not heartless), but he made Sora and Riku and the whole island forget about him so that if he ever came back they wouldn't have to remember or realize who he was, making them worry. It would also trigger a new clash between the old and the new keyblade masters, which could be bad. Sora's nobody, Roxas, is merely a somewhat similar persona of Sora's older brother. This is why Roxas is a keyblade master, much like Ven.

That's just what I thought would sound better, of course.

[key dragon]

Wow. Sora's becomeing a center for lost hearts...
O.o

Well, Sora is the light that connects all things...

Maybe Ven was protecting Sora because of some prophecy where Sora is some great keyblade user who'll save the world.

[Lord Knight Xiron]

roxas could be vens heart....like ven lost his heart somehow and it went to sora so when so lost his heart he lost vens too and thats why roxas looks like him...

...How could Roxas be Ven's heart? From what it sounds like, you're saying that Sora lost Ven's heart when he lost his own, and that Roxas is really the nobody of Ven...slight probability.

If that turns out to be true, that would mean that Sora lost three hearts and created three nobodies at the same time.

yep he`s got this big sign on his chest saying"ALL LOST HEARTS WELCOME! ENJOY YOUR STAY!" lol didnt you see it? jk

LMAO!!!

[SinirothXIII]

Is there any reason why this says *MAJOR SPOILERS* when it's just some theory. This thread title is VERY misleading.

[SӓiḺØr N.Ø.I.$.E]

u put major spoilers in the title so people that dont want the story ruined for them they dont go looking in that fourm...u never know it might be ture and thats a spoiler


Heartless*

[Vex123]

It would make sense if roxas was ven's heart...

heres my theory:


Sora would have had a nobody that resembled him a little more but roxas came in contact with Ven's heart. His heart had been wandering Twilight Town, waiting for a nobody to revive himself into. It was fate that his luck would lead him to the nobody of a keyblade master. That would explain why Roxas seems to have real emotions.

[SinirothXIII]

u put major spoilers in the title so people that dont want the story ruined for them they dont go looking in that fourm...u never know it might be ture and thats a spoiler


Lol, funnily enough, I know what spoilers mean. I just mean it's pointless to put them here. Because even if it does turn out to be true, it's just a theory atm and no one would know if it's true or not. That's what theories are. Peoples thoughts and opinions. Sometimes they come true, doesn't make them spoilers at the time of thinking them.

Anyway, w/e, I was just saying. But I actually see that as somewhat of a possibility. I think it much more likely, and obvious, that there's a greater chance of Ven being Sora's brother rather than his father.

[Eternal Session]

sora is connected to ven, maybe ven's heart is part of sora's heart.. and after sora lost his heart , roxas is create from both sora/ven heart..so roxas look like ven..
just a thought..XP

[Mish]

Older brother...? Oh lawd. No offense, but that sounds like bad fanfiction. xD

[SӓiḺØr N.Ø.I.$.E]

Older brother...? Oh lawd. No offense, but that sounds like bad fanfiction. xD

lol maybe

Heartless*

[#1 DinestyX]

ok....think back...would anything weve seen in the KH games make us think that Ven and Roxas are linked? NO! thats why its so darn confusing!

here are some facts we know they have in common---

A) Ven is a Keyblade master
B) so is Roxas
C) Ven has been on destiney Island
D) Roxas' somebody (sora) lives on Destiney Island
E) Roxas and Ven look very similar...TOO similar (and there sharing a voice actor)

THE MAJOR SPOILER!!!----------------
Ven is soras older brother and went off to fight Xehanort and the new enemy things (not heartless) but he made Sora and Riku and the whole island forget about him so that if he never came back they didnt have to worrie about him
(kairis hasnt shown up yet)
and Sora's nobodie took the form of his long lost brother but he didnt remeber cuz Ven made him forget!! but Soras heart didnt! but Soras mind did!

Heartless*

nice theary but Ven mite not be a keyblade master cuz he uses a keyblade with no chain

[FUZZY SWEATER]

i think the 14th member is aqua
nobody knows her story inthis

[Fruityla]

My theory is laziness. You heard me, I said laziness. They didn't feel like making a unique character to be the third knight so they just recycled Roxas and decided this "Ven" would be connected to them.

...EVERYONE is connected to Sora. It's like how everyone was Ansem, but now they're all Sora instead :)

[oblivion9794]

This is in upcoming games,but wouldn't this be in the theories and Speculation Section?

My theory is laziness. You heard me, I said laziness. They didn't feel like making a unique character to be the third knight so they just recycled Roxas and decided this "Ven" would be connected to them.

...EVERYONE is connected to Sora. It's like how everyone was Ansem, but now they're all Sora instead :)

FINALLY A THEORY THAT MAKES SENSE(no offense ot the others)
me and my firends have been saying the same thing AND if u noticed some of Ven's Clothing is ROXAS' even though its mostly armor

[VideoGameNerd246]

Oddly enough, that's very likely.

[DjC]

well i think ven is roxas! he has to be! just think ven was frozen and then dark ora covered his body before he was frozen and maybe if a keyblade masters heart is taken away then they become the nobody of the next keyblade wielder! still having the same face and voice they just cant remember anything.

what do u guys think?

[AntiWeapon]

Intresting theory, i think its one of the best theorys i have readed so far. But i dont know, why do you think that Ven is keyblade master? Cause we have never seen him to use keyblade, but they use swords, that looks like keyblades, but these swords arent keyblades, cause there is no keychain in them.

Im going to shoot the next person that says this.

Who the hell said that No keychain = Fake keyblade. Its just something someone made up. There is no proof behind it.

[DjC]

anti weapon is right! and whats wierd is Terra,Aqua,Ven,and the Dark Knight all have keyblades without keychains but xeahnort and mickey have keychains on their keyblades! well all i can say is that they are keyblades with or without keychains

[SӓiḺØr N.Ø.I.$.E]

or maybe the makers of the video didnt put keychains on there keyblades in BBS(the secret ending) cuz there moving around so fast and jumping and what not so its hard to see the keychains anyway so y put them there


Heartless*

[Vex123]

DjC has a point. Maybe only the masters have keychains, because aren't terra,ven, et aqua all apprentinces of mickey?

[tc831]

...Wow. I always new Sora had an older brother!
Where'd you find out this stuff? And how could Ven erase their memories. It's way too much hassle to erase everyone's memories!

but your forgetting when sora fell asleep after chain of memories everyone forgot him, donald and goofy. so maybe ven fell into another deep slumber and everyone forgot him

[DjC]

DjC has a point. Maybe only the masters have keychains, because aren't terra,ven, et aqua all apprentinces of mickey?
well they could be mickeys apprentices but u gotta think out side the box:)

what i mean is in one of the pics of bbs where terra is in the desert with xeanort terra called him MASTER xeanort so maybe terra use to be his apprentice

just came up with a good theory maybe terra,aqua,ven,mickey,and dark knight were all aprentices of xehnort and they all worked together to create a weapon that can bring peace and called it a keyblade then xehnort became over welmed with its power and became a villian and took the dark knight as his apprentice while mickey became a king and made terra,aqua,and ven his own apprentices.and thats how it all began.

i also think that the dark knight is xigbar because he told sora u are the weakest of all the ones before u meaning he defeated all keyblade masters before him and the dark knight defeated all of them so it could have been xigbar in the past
but your forgetting when sora fell asleep after chain of memories everyone forgot him, donald and goofy. so maybe ven fell into another deep slumber and everyone forgot him
good theory but it doesnt make sense cause if ven fell asleep he wouldnt wake up and be soras nobody then take the name roxas
or maybe the makers of the video didnt put keychains on there keyblades in BBS(the secret ending) cuz there moving around so fast and jumping and what not so its hard to see the keychains anyway so y put them there
Heartless*
no because in the gameplay pics his keyblade doesnt have a keychain same thing in the cutscene pics he still doesnt have a keychain.and in the fm video xehnort had a keychain on his keyblade so why not include terra and the others with one

[tc831]

good theory but it doesnt make sense cause if ven fell asleep he wouldnt wake up and be soras nobody then take the name roxas


yeah but who is to say that ven is even sora's nobody. i remember someone saying this theroy that Ven used the keyblade to lock all of there memorys and sora's nobody is in the form of ven like a long lost memory but sora dosnt remember

Im going to shoot the next person that says this.

Who the hell said that No keychain = Fake keyblade. Its just something someone made up. There is no proof behind it.

im gonna have to agree with you why do u need the key chain for it to be a keyblade

[AntiWeapon]

well they could be mickeys apprentices but u gotta think out side the box:)

what i mean is in one of the pics of bbs where terra is in the desert with xeanort terra called him MASTER xeanort so maybe terra use to be his apprentice

just came up with a good theory maybe terra,aqua,ven,mickey,and dark knight were all aprentices of xehnort and they all worked together to create a weapon that can bring peace and called it a keyblade then xehnort became over welmed with its power and became a villian and took the dark knight as his apprentice while mickey became a king and made terra,aqua,and ven his own apprentices.and thats how it all began.

i also think that the dark knight is xigbar because he told sora u are the weakest of all the ones before u meaning he defeated all keyblade masters before him and the dark knight defeated all of them so it could have been xigbar in the past

good theory but it doesnt make sense cause if ven fell asleep he wouldnt wake up and be soras nobody then take the name roxas

no because in the gameplay pics his keyblade doesnt have a keychain same thing in the cutscene pics he still doesnt have a keychain.and in the fm video xehnort had a keychain on his keyblade so why not include terra and the others with one


Firstly Yen Sid is mickeys teacher, he even has the star seeker keyblade which if you remember was given to sora by Yen Sid. This is what he used before he got the dark realm blade.

Xigbar is not the dark knight, for one thing the knight seems to be some form of 'Master Xehanort', not sure what. Just because Xigbar said that the other keybladers were week, doesn't mean he actually beat them. But it is a fact that Xigbar has met the three knights, so his human form might show up in the game.

Having a keychain on a keyblade doesn't mean nothing until someone says it does. Too me a keyblade with or without keychains is just a different type of keyblade, kind of like how you can customise some guns, others you cant.

Also both Aqua and Terras keyblade actually have the small ring where a keychain can be inserted. Maybe they just choose not to use them.

[DjC]

yeah but who is to say that ven is even sora's nobody. i remember someone saying this theroy that Ven used the keyblade to lock all of there memorys and sora's nobody is in the form of ven like a long lost memory but sora dosnt remember



im gonna have to agree with you why do u need the key chain for it to be a keyblade
ya but but who said that he ISNT his nobody.just think roxas is with out a doubt soras nobody and we know xehnort did somthing to ven when he froze him and its not a cowincidence that roxas and ven look the same.so maybe roxas use to be his own person. just remember this is MY theory idc if u guys think its stupid so im sticking with it until it is all revealed
Firstly Yen Sid is mickeys teacher, he even has the star seeker keyblade which if you remember was given to sora by Yen Sid. This is what he used before he got the dark realm blade.

Xigbar is not the dark knight, for one thing the knight seems to be some form of 'Master Xehanort', not sure what. Just because Xigbar said that the other keybladers were week, doesn't mean he actually beat them. But it is a fact that Xigbar has met the three knights, so his human form might show up in the game.

Having a keychain on a keyblade doesn't mean nothing until someone says it does. Too me a keyblade with or without keychains is just a different type of keyblade, kind of like how you can customise some guns, others you cant.

Also both Aqua and Terras keyblade actually have the small ring where a keychain can be inserted. Maybe they just choose not to use them.

ok first off what does yen sid giving sora the star seeker have to do with anything? or if yen sid gave it to mickey until he completed his mission of finding the dark realmes keyblade?

second how can u be soooooo sure that xigbar is not the dark knight. u dont know that and its just a theory but ur taking it as if that nothing i say can be possible. and u thinking his human form can be in the game.....yes it can be but it makes sense if he was the dark knight.and what xigbar said to sora could have been a hint so u cant just say its not important because that has come up in interviews and theories.

third the keychain thing is something unusual because mickey and xehonort have keychains and nobody else does. how could u think that its just something they choose not to use?

u seriously need to think of the hints we have from final mix and from interviews/information because u dont even have facts to back u up about what ur talking about:yelling:

[Asterisk]

Next time put this as a theory,none of this is true unless Nomura comfirmed it..

[shingo_the_pest]

sora is connected to ven, maybe ven's heart is part of sora's heart.. and after sora lost his heart , roxas is create from both sora/ven heart..so roxas look like ven..
just a thought..XP

This theory makes the most sense to me. Maybe they needed to put Ven's heart somewhere safe after he was frozen. And Sora does have a history holding other people's hearts.

[AntiWeapon]

ya but but who said that he ISNT his nobody.just think roxas is with out a doubt soras nobody and we know xehnort did somthing to ven when he froze him and its not a cowincidence that roxas and ven look the same.so maybe roxas use to be his own person. just remember this is MY theory idc if u guys think its stupid so im sticking with it until it is all revealed


ok first off what does yen sid giving sora the star seeker have to do with anything? or if yen sid gave it to mickey until he completed his mission of finding the dark realmes keyblade?

second how can u be soooooo sure that xigbar is not the dark knight. u dont know that and its just a theory but ur taking it as if that nothing i say can be possible. and u thinking his human form can be in the game.....yes it can be but it makes sense if he was the dark knight.and what xigbar said to sora could have been a hint so u cant just say its not important because that has come up in interviews and theories.

third the keychain thing is something unusual because mickey and xehonort have keychains and nobody else does. how could u think that its just something they choose not to use?

u seriously need to think of the hints we have from final mix and from interviews/information because u dont even have facts to back u up about what ur talking about:yelling:

YOUR the one not using facts. 'Xigbar is the dark knight because he mentioned them in kh2' that proves NOTHING besides the fact that he knows of them.
There is absolutly NO EVIDENCE WATSOEVER! to proove they are even related. Xigbar is most likely working with Ansem in radient guardan. Not some faceless thing fused with that guy.

So what if they dont? Why is Terra keyblade blue at the handle? Because it can be. The keyblade should not be considerd fake since there is no evidence to support that a lack of keychains means it is. As ive already mentioned they can put a keychain onto it if they choose too. They have the hole for it.

The mickey thing was just adding to the proof that Mickey is yensids teacher, since the star seeker is 'his keyblade'.

[Eternal Session]

This theory makes the most sense to me. Maybe they needed to put Ven's heart somewhere safe after he was frozen. And Sora does have a history holding other people's hearts.

i think Master Xehanort do something to Ven's heart...since terra ask him what have he done to Ven's heart...

[Jordz]

Well.... I rekon Ven, Aqua and Terra are the original keyblade masters and since that Sora killed himself when he was turned into a heartless Ven was 'Reborn'... Roxas.

I think this happened because a keyblade master has never been turned into a heartless before and in the KH2FM+ secret vid, Ven is frozen... maybe he died and that's why he was 'reborn' becuase he was destroyed by darkness

[DjC]

YOUR the one not using facts. 'Xigbar is the dark knight because he mentioned them in kh2' that proves NOTHING besides the fact that he knows of them.
There is absolutly NO EVIDENCE WATSOEVER! to proove they are even related. Xigbar is most likely working with Ansem in radient guardan. Not some faceless thing fused with that guy.

So what if they dont? Why is Terra keyblade blue at the handle? Because it can be. The keyblade should not be considerd fake since there is no evidence to support that a lack of keychains means it is. As ive already mentioned they can put a keychain onto it if they choose too. They have the hole for it.

The mickey thing was just adding to the proof that Mickey is yensids teacher, since the star seeker is 'his keyblade'.
ur so fu:censor2:en ignorent! u r to stubborn to understand the word THEORY! i never said that im right and thats how the game is going to be! its just what i think the game is gonna be like! so stop trying to prove me wrong cause ur just making urself look like a RETARD trying to say that im wrong because i never said i was!

ok guys please tell me this and be honest. who do u guys think is making more sense in their theory me or antiweapon. i want the honest truth and im not gonna hate u if u think hes making more sense because its his thoery and it might sound good to someone
Well.... I rekon Ven, Aqua and Terra are the original keyblade masters and since that Sora killed himself when he was turned into a heartless Ven was 'Reborn'... Roxas.

I think this happened because a keyblade master has never been turned into a heartless before and in the KH2FM+ secret vid, Ven is frozen... maybe he died and that's why he was 'reborn' becuase he was destroyed by darkness

im thinking something like that happened too! it is no coincidence that they look the same. theres gotta be somthing that maid ven become part of sora and then become roxas.

[SӓiḺØr N.Ø.I.$.E]

ok

A) CALM THE :censor2: DOWN!
B) lets all go back and talk about MY IDEA! not urs...this is my thread if u have ur own idea post it there not here!!


ughhh people...

Heartless

[DjC]

ok

A) CALM THE :censor2: DOWN!
B) lets all go back and talk about MY IDEA! not urs...this is my thread if u have ur own idea post it there not here!!


ughhh people...

Heartless

1. im juust trying to get it clear to sir knows it all that its a theory so he will stop freaking out about my side of the theory!

2. u sound like ur sooooooooo selfish. first off u did not say that we cant post r theories and just because u made this thread does not mean that it has to revolve around u! so it all comes back to u. next time be prepared for backfire

ughhhhhhhh heartless people.........

anyway about the dark knight being xigbar, that is not impossible. it actually make sense and those new black creatures can be prototype heartless. and about the keychains, im pretty sure that there gonna explain that in the storyline because im pretty sure u dont have a joice if u want a keychain or not.its just like keyblades,u dont get to choose which one u get. it depends on the strength of ur heart

[Alpha Sonix]

I'm guessing Ven's heart was inside Sora and when Sora got turned into a Heartless, Ven's heart went to Sora's Nobody, though that's just my guess and it seems to make sense to me.

[DjC]

I'm guessing Ven's heart was inside Sora and when Sora got turned into a Heartless, Ven's heart went to Sora's Nobody, though that's just my guess and it seems to make sense to me.

LOL thats what ive been saying:)

[Eternal Session]

maybe that's happen when Ven become frozen.. master xehanort had pass something evil to him..

[SӓiḺØr N.Ø.I.$.E]

1. im juust trying to get it clear to sir knows it all that its a theory so he will stop freaking out about my side of the theory!

2. u sound like ur sooooooooo selfish. first off u did not say that we cant post r theories and just because u made this thread does not mean that it has to revolve around u! so it all comes back to u. next time be prepared for backfire

ughhhhhhhh heartless people.........

anyway about the dark knight being xigbar, that is not impossible. it actually make sense and those new black creatures can be prototype heartless. and about the keychains, im pretty sure that there gonna explain that in the storyline because im pretty sure u dont have a joice if u want a keychain or not.its just like keyblades,u dont get to choose which one u get. it depends on the strength of ur heart

i know i know...im sorry ive just been having a bad day...so

lol keep going with the posting

Heartless*

[AntiWeapon]

ur so fu:censor2:en ignorent! u r to stubborn to understand the word THEORY! i never said that im right and thats how the game is going to be! its just what i think the game is gonna be like! so stop trying to prove me wrong cause ur just making urself look like a RETARD trying to say that im wrong because i never said i was!

ok guys please tell me this and be honest. who do u guys think is making more sense in their theory me or antiweapon. i want the honest truth and im not gonna hate u if u think hes making more sense because its his thoery and it might sound good to someone.


Sigh, Obviously it was a theory!! Unless its written in an interview, shown on a trailor or picture or magasine its a theory!!

And you know what theorys are for? To be tested and judged. Your theory was so out there that there is little to no chance of it, sure it may happen but the odds are against you since you have no proof to back up this theory, your just making yourself look dumb, if you can't accept people critisizing you then don't put any theorys up or at least put some more THOUGHT into them.

I never even made a theory here, unless your implying about me beliving Xigbar not to the the dark knight, which would actully make me more right, not because I think i'm better, its because there is not enough evidence to back up your side of the argument, unless we see Xigbar actully change into the dark knight or the dark knight being referd to as Xigbar then we have no proof.

Stop getting worked up over this little thing. I'm not here to start an argument, mearly debate amungst fellow people about the next games.

[DjC]

i know i know...im sorry ive just been having a bad day...so

lol keep going with the posting

Heartless*
im sry 2! we all have r bad days. lets just put that behind us and forget it ever happened :)
Sigh, Obviously it was a theory!! Unless its written in an interview, shown on a trailor or picture or magasine its a theory!!

And you know what theorys are for? To be tested and judged. Your theory was so out there that there is little to no chance of it, sure it may happen but the odds are against you since you have no proof to back up this theory, your just making yourself look dumb, if you can't accept people critisizing you then don't put any theorys up or at least put some more THOUGHT into them.

I never even made a theory here, unless your implying about me beliving Xigbar not to the the dark knight, which would actully make me more right, not because I think i'm better, its because there is not enough evidence to back up your side of the argument, unless we see Xigbar actully change into the dark knight or the dark knight being referd to as Xigbar then we have no proof.

Stop getting worked up over this little thing. I'm not here to start an argument, mearly debate amungst fellow people about the next games.

well u could've fooled me because now ur even going to the code vault and trying to prove me wrong there! my theory is not far out there u just dont expand ur mind to the possibilities! u dont even have a theory! so u need to stop it cause i aint putting up with it no more

[SӓiḺØr N.Ø.I.$.E]

im sry 2! we all have r bad days. lets just put that behind us and forget it ever happened :)

agreed!!!

Heartless*

so i see that there are many differnt ideas about the whole Roxas Ven delema

but let me say one ONE! thing that Naurma (omg i totlay killed it but its the guy that made KH)

he said....

Roxas and Ven ARNT THE SAME PERSON!

;)
so lets re-visit my whole BROTHER theorie! xD


Heartless*

[AntiWeapon]

im sry 2! we all have r bad days. lets just put that behind us and forget it ever happened :)


well u could've fooled me because now ur even going to the code vault and trying to prove me wrong there! my theory is not far out there u just dont expand ur mind to the possibilities! u dont even have a theory! so u need to stop it cause i aint putting up with it no more

Are you effing kidding me!

Final mix is not coming out in America, its known fact. Stop takeing every little correction to heart.

Your thoery is far out, because there is nothing there to support your claim. I could say that Mickeys father is the dark knight. But I just made that up with no proof.
You don't have proof. I was just stateing that, but you seem to take it to heart and think im insulting you in some way.
And just because I don't have any 'theorys' because the game is still pretty much in the dark, we have a couple of pictures and no leads on anything. Its to early to even consider things like this.

[micketymike]

maby vens soras dad

[AntiWeapon]

maby vens soras dad


No, Ven would of been around the age of 10 or 11 when Sora was born.

[SӓiḺØr N.Ø.I.$.E]

maby vens soras dad

I dont think so...that would make Ven much older than he looks...

the most! reasonalbe "father figure" could be terra...but its so far out there


Heartless*

[Luka]

i think it's an interesting theory ...

[DjC]

agreed!!!

Heartless*

so i see that there are many differnt ideas about the whole Roxas Ven delema

but let me say one ONE! thing that Naurma (omg i totlay killed it but its the guy that made KH)

he said....

Roxas and Ven ARNT THE SAME PERSON!

;)
so lets re-visit my whole BROTHER theorie! xD


Heartless*
really?he said that? can u post the interview i would like to read it:)

Are you effing kidding me!

Final mix is not coming out in America, its known fact. Stop takeing every little correction to heart.

Your thoery is far out, because there is nothing there to support your claim. I could say that Mickeys father is the dark knight. But I just made that up with no proof.
You don't have proof. I was just stateing that, but you seem to take it to heart and think im insulting you in some way.
And just because I don't have any 'theorys' because the game is still pretty much in the dark, we have a couple of pictures and no leads on anything. Its to early to even consider things like this.

do i have to pm u the interview about final mix outside japan? its very interesting!

no one has PROOF of anything because these are THEORIES! u need to stop cause im seriously getting tiered of ur bull:censor2:it

[Mr. Pumpkin]

I think there not related by blood at all, but Nomura make us think they are, and he probably has a good reson to let roxas and Ven look a like. we will all find it out as soon as they come out.

[DjC]

I think there not related by blood at all, but Nomura make us think they are, and he probably has a good reson to let roxas and Ven look a like. we will all find it out as soon as they come out.

i get sooooooo mad when i reed interviews and the person asking the questions ask stupid things that arent important at all.

and nomura pisses me off because when he answers the question he just makes it more of a mystery than it already is.


btw i like oath keeper and oblivion keyblade sig its reeeeeeeeeeealy cool!:)

[keyblade7714]

i think ven is roxas because if you look at the birth by sleep photos ven has got the checkerd sweatbands an looks identical and you are probly saying but bith by sleep is set in the past but my theory is that birth by sleep is based where nobodys live before they are truly brought into the real world

[DjC]

i think ven is roxas because if you look at the birth by sleep photos ven has got the checkerd sweatbands an looks identical and you are probly saying but bith by sleep is set in the past but my theory is that birth by sleep is based where nobodys live before they are truly brought into the real world

ya something like that had to have happen. it cant just be that ven and roxas look alike for no reason otherwise nomura whould've made ven look different

and the game is said to be based on this question "Ven Who Are You?"

[keyblade7714]

ya something like that had to have happen. it cant just be that ven and roxas look alike for no reason otherwise nomura whould've made ven look different

and the game is said to be based on this question "Ven Who Are You?"

yea i noo what yoor sayn because remeber at the start of kh2
xemenes asks roxas what is your true name

[DjC]

yea i noo what yoor sayn because remeber at the start of kh2
xemenes asks roxas what is your true name

hey i never thought about that! thats a real good piont u made there

well done:) (adds to ur rep)

[SӓiḺØr N.Ø.I.$.E]

AHHHHHHHHH! OMG! UVE CRACKED IT! omg...it all makes perfict since *gasp*

wow.....>_> DJC why the heck arnt u adding rep to me! HUH! i started this thread lol

Heartless*

ps----i lost my cool sub name T_T

edit- nevermind i didnt!
xD

[DjC]

cracked what?

dont worry ill give u rep u diserved it from the start =)

[KATACHI IS KING!!]

heres what i think. i belive that Ven is Sora's father, and Aqua is his mother. and since Sora is technically half of Ven and Roxas is half of Sora then it all makes sense.

[Repliku]

My thought at the moment is that Ven somehow maybe was either injured tremendously or sacrificed his body and his soul/spirit/heart etc went to rest in Sora to be prepared for the future since nothing could be done about the past at the time. This is why when Sora and Roxas split, Roxas doesn't remember his past because the split was done so quickly with Sora returning as a Hearted being again because of Kairi's doing, but also because his memories of Ven were gone.

The reasons I feel that way are because I think Terra ended up taking the spirit of Master Xehanort within himself either on purpose or not, and that's why he became named Xehanort under Master Ansem's tutelage and later, realizing he was not that person, he changed his name to Ansem, not remembering who he really was. It also may be true that Master Xehanort had a clone (the dark knight guy) and Terra linked to that somehow, which would explain why Heartless Xehanort looks younger. However, Xehanort did make the Heartless symbol and later Xemnas made the Nobody symbol, which both look like the symbol worn on Terra's belt in the past, just modified of course. If Xehanort's Heartless could enter Terra or Terra took it in willingly to suppress it, and Riku also took it into him for a time, it lends me to think this same thing might have happened with Sora and Ven but Sora didn't remember. I could see Sora not remembering any way because he couldn't even figure out Kairi's heart was within him for a whole game despite me figuring it out long before. =:/

I do not know if Ven and Sora are related really, though to me the facial structures of Ven and Sora look similar. However, even if they were related, there's no way Ven could be Sora's father because he's a teenager while Sora is 5 years old in BBS. Terra really is the only person who'd have possibly been old enough to father him and he'd have had to be a teenager to do so. If at all they are of any relation, I'd wager to say he's a brother or cousin. Of course, we can all be wrong but speculating these events is fun!

http://ff-rpg.net/images/Replikufake.jpg

[keyblade7714]

My thought at the moment is that Ven somehow maybe was either injured tremendously or sacrificed his body and his soul/spirit/heart etc went to rest in Sora to be prepared for the future since nothing could be done about the past at the time. This is why when Sora and Roxas split, Roxas doesn't remember his past because the split was done so quickly with Sora returning as a Hearted being again because of Kairi's doing, but also because his memories of Ven were gone.

good point i never thought of that so roxas would of remberd everything about ven before he came into the real world so if sora was a heartless for longer roxas mind would be like sora at the begging of kh2 so that means roxas memories are only at restoration 1%

[AntiWeapon]

really?he said that? can u post the interview i would like to read it:)



do i have to pm u the interview about final mix outside japan? its very interesting!

no one has PROOF of anything because these are THEORIES! u need to stop cause im seriously getting tiered of ur bull:censor2:it

I think where Noruma himself said It was staying in Japan to be far more interesting.

Stop flaming, it just makes you look stupid.

Facts are needed to create a theory, you can't just walk into a science lab and say 'I have a theory that shoving a needle in this guys heart will cure him of cancer' because you have nothign to proove it.

Heck even Redsonic had SOME sence behind his theorys, He knew Riku worked in these certain situations and went out trying to recreate it.

Enought of this talk on theorys, you basicly said. 'Xigbar is probebly the dark knight because he talks about them' and I told you that what you said is obsered.

Xigbar may be the dark knight for all I know, but the proof you tried to offer was so outthere.

[Cocohints]

*based upon Repliku's post*
Yes, that would make sense. Sora was fighting against time when he was a heartless, had he become a permament one then Roxas would most likely remember just as much as the other Organisation members do about their past.

*based upon something mentioned earlier, I forget who posted it*
About the keychain thing.... maybe you need to do something to earn it? Like some sort of medal or token of what you're capable of? I'm pretty sure it was more strict in BBS than in the next games about Sora and co.

[SӓiḺØr N.Ø.I.$.E]

>_> ummmmmmmm no

[DjC]

My thought at the moment is that Ven somehow maybe was either injured tremendously or sacrificed his body and his soul/spirit/heart etc went to rest in Sora to be prepared for the future since nothing could be done about the past at the time. This is why when Sora and Roxas split, Roxas doesn't remember his past because the split was done so quickly with Sora returning as a Hearted being again because of Kairi's doing, but also because his memories of Ven were gone.

The reasons I feel that way are because I think Terra ended up taking the spirit of Master Xehanort within himself either on purpose or not, and that's why he became named Xehanort under Master Ansem's tutelage and later, realizing he was not that person, he changed his name to Ansem, not remembering who he really was. It also may be true that Master Xehanort had a clone (the dark knight guy) and Terra linked to that somehow, which would explain why Heartless Xehanort looks younger. However, Xehanort did make the Heartless symbol and later Xemnas made the Nobody symbol, which both look like the symbol worn on Terra's belt in the past, just modified of course. If Xehanort's Heartless could enter Terra or Terra took it in willingly to suppress it, and Riku also took it into him for a time, it lends me to think this same thing might have happened with Sora and Ven but Sora didn't remember. I could see Sora not remembering any way because he couldn't even figure out Kairi's heart was within him for a whole game despite me figuring it out long before. =:/

I do not know if Ven and Sora are related really, though to me the facial structures of Ven and Sora look similar. However, even if they were related, there's no way Ven could be Sora's father because he's a teenager while Sora is 5 years old in BBS. Terra really is the only person who'd have possibly been old enough to father him and he'd have had to be a teenager to do so. If at all they are of any relation, I'd wager to say he's a brother or cousin. Of course, we can all be wrong but speculating these events is fun!

http://ff-rpg.net/images/Replikufake.jpg
good theory only one fact u messed up. sora is not five in bbs hes 4 because the events of terra and co happened 10 years befor kh1 and in kh1 sora was 14.but other than that good theory:)
I think where Noruma himself said It was staying in Japan to be far more interesting.

Stop flaming, it just makes you look stupid.

Facts are needed to create a theory, you can't just walk into a science lab and say 'I have a theory that shoving a needle in this guys heart will cure him of cancer' because you have nothign to proove it.

Heck even Redsonic had SOME sence behind his theorys, He knew Riku worked in these certain situations and went out trying to recreate it.

Enought of this talk on theorys, you basicly said. 'Xigbar is probebly the dark knight because he talks about them' and I told you that what you said is obsered.

Xigbar may be the dark knight for all I know, but the proof you tried to offer was so outthere.
that proff is not far out there! omg u dont even have a theory to share and people said that my theory is a good one and makes sense.ur the only one who keeps on starting stuff with me
>_> ummmmmmmm no

hey dude:) does my theory seem far out there? and do u know if i could get a mod to do somthing about antiweapon?or could u tell him to stop actting all that at ur thread?thanx

[SӓiḺØr N.Ø.I.$.E]

well i think that everyone has a fair say in this...but if ur going out of ur was to PO someone...u best stop


heartless*

[DjC]

well i think that everyone has a fair say in this...but if ur going out of ur was to PO someone...u best stop


heartless*

what? reword ur sentence

and u kinda made a piont but all i want is for him to stop correcting me it gets annoying.

well any new theories? i have an idea about the chamber of sleep and the chamber of awakening

[AntiWeapon]

I corrected you once. And your getting worked up to nothing.

I didn't liek your theory, you were pissed of at me for that. Your starting stuff with me, not the other way round. Notice I haven't called you anything offencive?

Please explain how your theory makes even the slightest sence. Then I may belive you.

[DjC]

i wasnt pissed until u started correcting every post i made. i respect ur thoughts about my theory but the corecting thing i dont like.

ill explain everything tommorow because im tiered.

hey dude u have a choice:

we could end this and stop these poinless arguments and be friends or we could be enemies and have a flame war through pms

its ur choice?

[AntiWeapon]

i wasnt pissed until u started correcting every post i made. i respect ur thoughts about my theory but the corecting thing i dont like.

ill explain everything tommorow because im tiered.

hey dude u have a choice:

we could end this and stop these poinless arguments and be friends or we could be enemies and have a flame war through pms

its ur choice?

I only corrected one post. Which was the first, the rest is just a responce.

I don't like arguing, I agree I don't see you as a bad guy, your pretty helpfull in the Code Vault, This has just been going way out of preportion.

[DjC]

well u forgot about the fm correction

ya ur right this is going no where. lets put this behind us and help correct and put together are theories to make one big theory that makes sense in every way

so wad ya say? r we buddies again =)

[AntiWeapon]

Haha sure. XD

(Wow this is was resolved pretty cornishly XD )

[DjC]

Haha sure. XD

(Wow this is was resolved pretty cornishly XD )

LOL

ya i know all it took was 2 opsions LOL

do me a favor. when u get offline think of a good theory and ill think of a good theory as well then will discuss are theories and combined them to get an ultimate theory!

deal?

[Repliku]

good theory only one fact u messed up. sora is not five in bbs hes 4 because the events of terra and co happened 10 years befor kh1 and in kh1 sora was 14.but other than that good theory:)

You know...you are RIGHT!!! Riku was 5 probably and Sora was 4. Thanks for pointing that out. Off topic a bit, but I wish Kingdom Hearts would have done what some other Final Fantasy games had and put the kids' birthdays down, as in what months they were born. I doubt Riku is a -full year- older than Sora. That's a little impossible unless they were born on the same day.

Back to the point though, I think there are some good theories we are coming up with and we change our minds as new information comes in. I like hearing people's thoughts on it, so let's not get too nasty please? Also, if someone criticizes something not so badly, it's not meant to be mean. It's just pointing out a flaw, as someone did on my post here. Theories get tested out. It's part of the process.

http://ff-rpg.net/images/Replikufake.jpg

[Mr. Pumpkin]

ok....think back...would anything weve seen in the KH games make us think that Ven and Roxas are linked? NO! thats why its so darn confusing!

here are some facts we know they have in common---

A) Ven is a Keyblade master
B) so is Roxas
C) Ven has been on destiney Island
D) Roxas' somebody (sora) lives on Destiney Island
E) Roxas and Ven look very similar...TOO similar (and there sharing a voice actor)

THE MAJOR SPOILER!!!----------------
Ven is soras older brother and went off to fight Xehanort and the new enemy things (not heartless) but he made Sora and Riku and the whole island forget about him so that if he never came back they didnt have to worrie about him
(kairis hasnt shown up yet)
and Sora's nobodie took the form of his long lost brother but he didnt remeber cuz Ven made him forget!! but Soras heart didnt! but Soras mind did!

Heartless*

I think thats a good theory :) they are TOO simular. Nomura wants us to get confused and laughs at it. i cinda get irritated when i think about it.:(

[shingo_the_pest]

I'd like to believe that Sora is a reincarnation of Ven, but that's been made impossible now that we know Sora was four when Ven was fighting against Xehanort.

[DjC]

You know...you are RIGHT!!! Riku was 5 probably and Sora was 4. Thanks for pointing that out. Off topic a bit, but I wish Kingdom Hearts would have done what some other Final Fantasy games had and put the kids' birthdays down, as in what months they were born. I doubt Riku is a -full year- older than Sora. That's a little impossible unless they were born on the same day.

Back to the point though, I think there are some good theories we are coming up with and we change our minds as new information comes in. I like hearing people's thoughts on it, so let's not get too nasty please? Also, if someone criticizes something not so badly, it's not meant to be mean. It's just pointing out a flaw, as someone did on my post here. Theories get tested out. It's part of the process.

http://ff-rpg.net/images/Replikufake.jpg
thanx but u were just probably thinking about sora being 15 in kh2 and forgot that he was 14 in kh1

dont worry me and antiweapon settled are argument so lets all support eachothers theories and combined them to something that makes complete sense
I think thats a good theory :) they are TOO simular. Nomura wants us to get confused and laughs at it. i cinda get irritated when i think about it.:(
nomura pisses me off the way everything he says makes us think that were wrong but in the end we were right
I'd like to believe that Sora is a reincarnation of Ven, but that's been made impossible now that we know Sora was four when Ven was fighting against Xehanort.

ya still i think that the only reason why sora is connected to ven is through roxas but i think roxas is ven so it doesnt matter anyway because if they really are the same person they'll be related to sora anyway

i think that i just said somthing thats confusing and far off.LOL

[AntiWeapon]

XD I don't really have much in my head right now. Most of it is scrambled, right now there too little info with the what 6 pics we have of the game to really come up with anything. Untill interviews, trailors and such come I havent got many ideas yet.

[Cocohints]

You know...you are RIGHT!!! Riku was 5 probably and Sora was 4. Thanks for pointing that out. Off topic a bit, but I wish Kingdom Hearts would have done what some other Final Fantasy games had and put the kids' birthdays down, as in what months they were born. I doubt Riku is a -full year- older than Sora. That's a little impossible unless they were born on the same day.


This is interesting - I have noticed that most of the times the Zodiac will fit a character's personality, if judging by their personalities we may at least find out what month they may belong to.

I've always been interested in Zodiac stuff, lawl. *shrugs*

[JustANobody]

ok....think back...would anything weve seen in the KH games make us think that Ven and Roxas are linked? NO! thats why its so darn confusing!

here are some facts we know they have in common---

A) Ven is a Keyblade master
B) so is Roxas
C) Ven has been on destiney Island
D) Roxas' somebody (sora) lives on Destiney Island
E) Roxas and Ven look very similar...TOO similar (and there sharing a voice actor)

THE MAJOR SPOILER!!!----------------
Ven is soras older brother and went off to fight Xehanort and the new enemy things (not heartless) but he made Sora and Riku and the whole island forget about him so that if he never came back they didnt have to worrie about him
(kairis hasnt shown up yet)
and Sora's nobodie took the form of his long lost brother but he didnt remeber cuz Ven made him forget!! but Soras heart didnt! but Soras mind did!

Heartless*


Uhh....

I am sorry,but that makes no sense at all. First off,how on earth could Ven 'make' everyone on the Island forget about him? Second,how could Roxas take on the form of Ven if he wasn't really with Sora? Finally,what gave you the idea that they were RELATED?? Sora,Riku,and Kairi are all only-child's. They have no siblings,just eachother and their parents.

[DjC]

XD I don't really have much in my head right now. Most of it is scrambled, right now there too little info with the what 6 pics we have of the game to really come up with anything. Untill interviews, trailors and such come I havent got many ideas yet.
niether do i but i got some thing to look forward to! well jump fest is coming up and square enix always participates and realeases a whole bunch of info there. for example: jump fest is when they showed the first kh2 trailer released to public and also be able to play it (same thing with final mix). so i think we'll get plenty of info when jump fest comes around
Uhh....

I am sorry,but that makes no sense at all. First off,how on earth could Ven 'make' everyone on the Island forget about him? Second,how could Roxas take on the form of Ven if he wasn't really with Sora? Finally,what gave you the idea that they were RELATED?? Sora,Riku,and Kairi are all only-child's. They have no siblings,just eachother and their parents.

actually u cant prove that they dont have siblings. because they never said they were and they never said they were'ent only children .its just like in kh1 it looked like sora,riku,and kairi didnt go to school and it turns out in kh2 they do go to school (well only kairi because sora and riku are missing)

[keyblade7714]

Heyy guys go on this site http://www.kingdomhearts3.net/ it looks like there will be 3 senarios so it must mean 3 storys which means we caan play any of our secret wariours and for all you chain of memories fans it looks like you will be happy as bbs is going to have the same theme

[DjC]

sry but thats old news. and i see u've been watching the site ever since i posted that link. LOL

[Xerokuzai]

Uhh....

I am sorry,but that makes no sense at all. First off,how on earth could Ven 'make' everyone on the Island forget about him? Second,how could Roxas take on the form of Ven if he wasn't really with Sora? Finally,what gave you the idea that they were RELATED?? Sora,Riku,and Kairi are all only-child's. They have no siblings,just eachother and their parents.

It's simple


he beat everyone over the head with his keyblade

Some forgot

Some turned out retarded (Wakka) ^_^

[Vex123]

It's simple


he beat everyone over the head with his keyblade

Some forgot

Some turned out retarded (Wakka) ^_^

heh heh u were post #111! but never mind

but that makes the most sense!!!

[SӓiḺØr N.Ø.I.$.E]

it does not! xD

Heartless*

[DjC]

it does not! xD

Heartless*

does not what? explain please

[SӓiḺØr N.Ø.I.$.E]

look up thats what i was laughing at

[DjC]

i've already looked at the post before urs and i still dont get it?

[SӓiḺØr N.Ø.I.$.E]

i've already looked at the post before urs and i still dont get it?

nevermind -_-

[DjC]

nevermind -_-

no no no no! tell me!

im sry but im seriously (no joke) slow! its not my fault! c'mon just explain it to me pleaze!

[Kingdom Glory]

ok....think back...would anything weve seen in the KH games make us think that Ven and Roxas are linked? NO! thats why its so darn confusing!

here are some facts we know they have in common---

A) Ven is a Keyblade master
B) so is Roxas
C) Ven has been on destiney Island
D) Roxas' somebody (sora) lives on Destiney Island
E) Roxas and Ven look very similar...TOO similar (and there sharing a voice actor)

THE MAJOR SPOILER!!!----------------
Ven is soras older brother and went off to fight Xehanort and the new enemy things (not heartless) but he made Sora and Riku and the whole island forget about him so that if he never came back they didnt have to worrie about him
(kairis hasnt shown up yet)
and Sora's nobodie took the form of his long lost brother but he didnt remeber cuz Ven made him forget!! but Soras heart didnt! but Soras mind did!

Heartless*
I don't think that could be possible.
Seriously, it wouldn't make any sense.
It takes place in the PAST, and in the past, Sora's brother would have to be pretty dang old <<
Father, maybe, GRANDFather, maybe.
But not brother.

[iwantedtoexplode]

I don't think that could be possible.
Seriously, it wouldn't make any sense.
It takes place in the PAST, and in the past, Sora's brother would have to be pretty dang old <<
Father, maybe, GRANDFather, maybe.
But not brother.

It only takes place ten years in the past, so it's possible that he's Sora's brother. I don't really believe it, but it's worth considering.

What bugs me about your thread however, is that you said these are spoilers. THEY'RE NOT SPOILERS!!!!! Spoilers ruin the ending to a story that has a confirmed ending, and we're nowhere near getting one. They barely even started the project. This is only a mere speculation.

[Kingdom Glory]

Correction, a spoiler is when you spoil the storyiline for someone(s).
<<
It could be the middle, beginning, end, semi-demi-middle-end, etc.

[soraxas]

Intresting theory, i think its one of the best theorys i have readed so far. But i dont know, why do you think that Ven is keyblade master? Cause we have never seen him to use keyblade, but they use swords, that looks like keyblades, but these swords arent keyblades, cause there is no keychain in them.

this might be the only thing im saying on this post, but I never noticed that, good point...GO SORA!!!!!!

[he's-got-a-heart]

but your forgetting when sora fell asleep after chain of memories everyone forgot him, donald and goofy. so maybe ven fell into another deep slumber and everyone forgot him

Wow! I like this theory! Not the brother bit but the whole thing about people forgetting.

Intresting theory, i think its one of the best theorys i have readed so far. But i dont know, why do you think that Ven is keyblade master? Cause we have never seen him to use keyblade, but they use swords, that looks like keyblades, but these swords arent keyblades, cause there is no keychain in them.

I want to know who the hell came up with this daft idea that just because there is no keychain it can't be a real keyblade.

[Repliku]

Maybe they are pseudo-Keyblades but they are still Keyblades, even without the key chains in them. I am still not sure that Ven has any actual relationship to Sora other than perhaps his spirit (Heart or Soul) merged with Sora in his youth. I almost think that's the voice that was talking to Sora when he was going through the very beginning of KH and having to choose his weapons etc. I also think that Riku had a similar image which is why he said he did 'not fear the Darkness', and that Xehanort's Heartless messed with him askewing his dreams.

Really, I can't think of a single reason to believe Ven is Sora's brother. He's got to be 10 years older than Sora at the time he comes across the kid playing. Some parents space out kids that far, but it seemed to me Sora and Riku were playmates and there's no mention by either of them of siblings. Even when Riku is talking to Sora about leaving he says 'parents' but does not mention brothers or sisters. Perhaps Sora and Riku were made to forget, but I think I need more clues to actually think that Ven and Sora are related in any way.

Sora was forgotten because Sora himself forgot...which I really do hope gets explained a lot better than that. That's some memory to be able to take out everyone else's memory of you but well...Riku's and probably King Mickey's. By the way Leon and Kairi were acting etc, Sora had been forgotten since the start of CoM after Namine began messing with him. That is a good point to draw out in this, but I'm not sure that it had much to do with Roxas or Ven. This one though is a total mystery so far. Maybe it does have something to do with it.

[DjC]

about the keyblade with keychains thing: we'll probably find out why in the story for right now stop worrying about a it. what u guys rather do:

find out why ven looks like roxas and what is the mystery of xehnorts past

or

try to figure out why they dont have keychains on their keyblades?

i would go with the first one. i could carless about why they dont have keychains on their keybaldes when we could be figuring out more important things

hey have you guys seen the vid in fm where vexon and i forgot the other two were talking about the past? i have because i have final mix. and im pretty sure u guys have seen it. well if u havent please request the link so i can piont out somthing interesting. and kinda leads me to a theory

[SӓiḺØr N.Ø.I.$.E]

IVE HAD A JUST HAD AN IDEA!! omg!

ok so u know how in the new cutscenes from KH2 final mix and zexion talked about the room of sleep or awaking (i dont rembers which) but Xemnas went into the one...well sora was in the other one...ending of CoM and beging of KH2

so YEA!

i belive that this is a random post but whatever if sora went into that and was "forgotten" maybe Ven did somthing along the same lines

[DjC]

they talked about both the room of sleep and awakening

and what u said is good but wrong.this is what i was gonna piont out earlyer: okay when they said he is asleep we all think its sora.but it cant be because the org hasnt been formed yet and the org was formed when sora was awake! so they must be refurring to ven.

ya see what i mean? nomura has us tricked with that but i figured it out.

and that was a major spolier so will u people stop complaining about this thread having no spiolers

[SӓiḺØr N.Ø.I.$.E]

lol awww gotta love forums

[DjC]

lol awww gotta love forums

LOL

So do u think i pointed out something that made a good point or is it just like no big deal?

[SӓiḺØr N.Ø.I.$.E]

lol well its still hard to tell but maybe...

[Luka]

i have to say no there ...

[X-thor]

ok....think back...would anything weve seen in the KH games make us think that Ven and Roxas are linked? NO! thats why its so darn confusing!

here are some facts we know they have in common---

A) Ven is a Keyblade master
B) so is Roxas
C) Ven has been on destiney Island
D) Roxas' somebody (sora) lives on Destiney Island
E) Roxas and Ven look very similar...TOO similar (and there sharing a voice actor)

THE MAJOR SPOILER!!!----------------
Ven is soras older brother and went off to fight Xehanort and the new enemy things (not heartless) but he made Sora and Riku and the whole island forget about him so that if he never came back they didnt have to worrie about him
(kairis hasnt shown up yet)
and Sora's nobodie took the form of his long lost brother but he didnt remeber cuz Ven made him forget!! but Soras heart didnt! but Soras mind did!

Heartless*

I don't really think that Ven and Sora are brothers...

[Repliku]

I'm not sure they are really related at all, though Ven has about the same body type as Sora. His face and hair are different. Maybe though so I won't totally discount the 'brother' theory yet. They may be cousins or something too, or have no relation and so that part I don't think on 'too' much. To me, Sora did seem to be an only child, but there's no proof in the end to support that so much either. We can only verify that Sora has a 'mom'.

I think Riku and Sora were single children because Riku even makes the comment as as he is in the Darkness area and says that they will never see their other friends or parents again. There's no mention of either of them having siblings. Of course, if the siblings were somehow forced to be forgotten as Sora was, it discounts this.

I do think so far though that Ven's spirit, Not just his Heart, went into Sora and was dormant, so when Sora used the Dark Keyblade, it was Ven's spirit released and that is why Axel makes the comment about Roxas having a Heart. Also, it seems you need a soul to become a Nobody, and if he only had part of his Heart, the rest would work out. So, in the end, I am not sure whether they are related or not, but it could happen. Saying these two are related is more feasible than other relations. We'll just have to see.

[Luka]

i'd say they have too be related
cause they look exacly the same and i dont think Square would make 2 charachters the same voice if they dont have any relation ...

[Sharkleg]

I was thinking that too. That would be so awesome if that really happened. Sora would say to his parents "WTF Why didn't you tell me I had a Brother And then a girl who looks like Sora walks in. :glomp::nomore::kiss::offtopic:

[Luka]

I was thinking that too. That would be so awesome if that really happened. Sora would say to his parents "WTF Why didn't you tell me I had a Brother And then a girl who looks like Sora walks in. :glomp::nomore::kiss::offtopic:

A girl ??
im soryy but WHAT ???
and also im not sure about all this maybe Sora is like the "true"keyblade master
and they get born like that and maybe sora is special in another way so roxas is the keyblade master inside sora i know its strange but hey >_>

[SӓiḺØr N.Ø.I.$.E]

i agree they must be related otherwise its a totaly random thing! UGH!
this is going to be one of the best games i can already tell!!

[Luka]

guys dont bump this D:

[SӓiḺØr N.Ø.I.$.E]

guys dont bump this D:

? whats that suppose to mean

[Luka]

? whats that suppose to mean

it means dont revive this thread like that
last post was 10-16-2007

[SӓiḺØr N.Ø.I.$.E]

it means dont revive this thread like that
last post was 10-16-2007

...listen u!!! this is my thread OK! ive been gone for a while and i relpyed to someones idea so BACKOFF! :yelling: if u dont like that i brought back a thread that hadnt been posted in for like a few days then u need to lighten UP!

-_-'

[Blanc]

Don't fight. And isn't there a rule where you can bump or is that only within 12 hours or something.

[SӓiḺØr N.Ø.I.$.E]

Don't fight. And isn't there a rule where you can bump or is that only within 12 hours or something.

thank you .

[Dredica]

I just wanted to ask, does anybody even know who the guy in the cape that busted on Sora in the cave, when he was darwing a papu fruit and stuff, actually who was that? It could have been Ven, or Terra, it was probally Ansem though, just saying cause I didn't know

[Eternal Session]

I just wanted to ask, does anybody even know who the guy in the cape that busted on Sora in the cave, when he was darwing a papu fruit and stuff, actually who was that? It could have been Ven, or Terra, it was probally Ansem though, just saying cause I didn't know

i think he is Ansem, but not sure..

[Repliku]

I assumed it was Ansem/Xehanort's Heartless since he also appeared to Riku later in the same brownish cloak before Riku merged with him at Hollow Bastion. Also, I think, even though it's not expressively shown, that the figure was talking to Riku sometimes in the secret cave since before anyone else ever noticed the door, Riku as a child noticed it glowing. I really hope they do go into these things more later.

The only other person I thought it -might- be was Xemnas, but I lean stronger to Xehanort's Heartless since he was trying to merge with a Keyblade wielder.

Also, I believe if a topic exists, rather than making a new topic, we are supposed to reply to one that is older. I'm confused why people keep telling others to not post to an older thread when it says in the rules that is what we are supposed to do if the option presents itself. Perhaps a moderator could highlight and explain what the preferred action is? I'd like to know to ensure we are in the right or wrong.

[DjC]

I assumed it was Ansem/Xehanort's Heartless since he also appeared to Riku later in the same brownish cloak before Riku merged with him at Hollow Bastion. Also, I think, even though it's not expressively shown, that the figure was talking to Riku sometimes in the secret cave since before anyone else ever noticed the door, Riku as a child noticed it glowing. I really hope they do go into these things more later.

The only other person I thought it -might- be was Xemnas, but I lean stronger to Xehanort's Heartless since he was trying to merge with a Keyblade wielder.

Also, I believe if a topic exists, rather than making a new topic, we are supposed to reply to one that is older. I'm confused why people keep telling others to not post to an older thread when it says in the rules that is what we are supposed to do if the option presents itself. Perhaps a moderator could highlight and explain what the preferred action is? I'd like to know to ensure we are in the right or wrong.

lol every time i see ur post there like really long paragraphs.

well i saw something saying the three senarios are terra,aqua,and ven and a couple of interesting stuff as well

[Repliku]

lol every time i see ur post there like really long paragraphs.

well i saw something saying the three senarios are terra,aqua,and ven and a couple of interesting stuff as well

Yeah, I realize I do post paragraphs here. I suppose this is why I get A+ on all my essays at school. I can write away and just go on and on and on.

I was referring to the person's question about the guy in the cloak in the Secret Cave in KH1. Were you saying that each cloaked figure in Kh1 was Aqua, Terra and Ven? I'm kind of confused what you mean. Please elaborate?

I think the reason mainly I think it's Xehanort's Heartless is because he makes the same comments about knowing stuff as Ansem does when he takes over Riku's body. Also the brown cloaked guy was the one who was presumably Ansem convincing Riku to give him his form to save Kairi.

[DjC]

Yeah, I realize I do post paragraphs here. I suppose this is why I get A+ on all my essays at school. I can write away and just go on and on and on.

I was referring to the person's question about the guy in the cloak in the Secret Cave in KH1. Were you saying that each cloaked figure in Kh1 was Aqua, Terra and Ven? I'm kind of confused what you mean. Please elaborate?

I think the reason mainly I think it's Xehanort's Heartless is because he makes the same comments about knowing stuff as Ansem does when he takes over Riku's body. Also the brown cloaked guy was the one who was presumably Ansem convincing Riku to give him his form to save Kairi.

1. i fail most of my writing asignments because i right huge and have 3 sentence paragraphs so i can get it over with lol

2. i was talking about bbs. at another site it said the three senarios that u play as are terra,aqua,and ven but nomura never confirmed it did he?

3. the dude in the brown coat i thought was xemnas not xehonorts heartless?

[Repliku]

1. i fail most of my writing asignments because i right huge and have 3 sentence paragraphs so i can get it over with lol

2. i was talking about bbs. at another site it said the three senarios that u play as are terra,aqua,and ven but nomura never confirmed it did he?

3. the dude in the brown coat i thought was xemnas not xehonorts heartless?

Ah, gotcha. I -thought- that's what you meant but was not sure. There's no confirmation the 3rd person is Aqua but I hope so. Terra is a definite and Ven is pretty solid a bet.

Why do you think it's Xemnas? I thought it might too at first when I saw Xemnas in his black cloak but then realized the other one had a 'brown' cloak and Xemnas went on about KH but he didn't drone into my head the statement Ansem/Xehanort kept saying repeatedly about 'how can you know if you do not understand' or whatever it was. I'm too lazy to look up the exact quote.

[_Oathkeeper_]

Not sure if anyone had posted this before, but in KHII, when the one guy tells Roxas "He looks just like you..." What if he's not talking about Sora?

[Luka]

Not sure if anyone had posted this before, but in KHII, when the one guy tells Roxas "He looks just like you..." What if he's not talking about Sora?

i was always wondering about that ...

[DjC]

Ah, gotcha. I -thought- that's what you meant but was not sure. There's no confirmation the 3rd person is Aqua but I hope so. Terra is a definite and Ven is pretty solid a bet.

Why do you think it's Xemnas? I thought it might too at first when I saw Xemnas in his black cloak but then realized the other one had a 'brown' cloak and Xemnas went on about KH but he didn't drone into my head the statement Ansem/Xehanort kept saying repeatedly about 'how can you know if you do not understand' or whatever it was. I'm too lazy to look up the exact quote.
another long post from repliku lol i just thought it was xemnas because he was described as unknown and if it was xehanorts heartless the name of the boss wouldnt be described as unknown dont ya think?
Not sure if anyone had posted this before, but in KHII, when the one guy tells Roxas "He looks just like you..." What if he's not talking about Sora?

ya i know and i also wonder what namine meant when she said do u remember ur true name? is she talking about his name as sora or ven?

[Repliku]

another long post from repliku lol i just thought it was xemnas because he was described as unknown and if it was xehanorts heartless the name of the boss wouldnt be described as unknown dont ya think?


ya i know and i also wonder what namine meant when she said do u remember ur true name? is she talking about his name as sora or ven?


I see what you mean there. I guess since he wore a brown cloak in two scenes really, and in KH:FM you can fight Xemnas who is in the Org cloak, they weren't to be connected really. Because the brown cloaked guy appeared to Sora and then later to Riku and told Riku to connect to him, I assumed both occurrences were from Xehanort's Heartless.

I don't think Namine knew anything about Ven really. However, I do think that some of the Org did know things before they became Nobodies. Ansem makes a comment that Even (Vexen) was very interested in his new apprentice Xehanort. Xigbar also was said by Nomura to be more important than people thought so I expect we'll learn more about him too, and he may have known Ven too.

[SӓiḺØr N.Ø.I.$.E]

ok! so since were talking about Roxas xD lol

in TWTNW when Roxas and Sora Have that short battle cutscene Roxas yells
"Why did he choose you" (or somthing like that...) the point is the sentance had a "why" and then a " he choose" and then "u"
but!! Roxas never says who the "he" is?!?!?!

VEN!?!?!?!?!??
TERRA!!!!!!!!?
ME!?!?!?!?!??! xD

[Repliku]

I assumed he was talking about Axel when he said that. Since Axel chose to help Sora and cease in trying to free Roxas.

[key dragon]

I assumed he was talking about Axel when he said that. Since Axel chose to help Sora and cease in trying to free Roxas.

I thought it was about DiZ.

[Luka]

yeah i thought that too why didn't he choose Roxas cause he was a keyblade weilder also and he had a life too

[neghxanys]

I could see Ven as being Sora's older brother as you said or another idea came to me that Ven merged with Sora at some time to hide within him until the time was right, and when Roxas occurred, it was Ven in a way that emerged but of course he wouldn't remember. The hair and everything on Ven looks just about like Roxas. So I figured since Xehanort/Xemnas might be Terra, Ven's spirit might have hidden in Sora and well, I ponder why Riku then was destined to be the Keyblade wielder...but eh, we'll all come up with something. =:)

The other reason I think Ven might have gone within Sora in spirit is because of the voice in KH1 and the path he had to take to choose what he'd be and all, and face the Darkside coming. Also, it seemed Riku had a similar dream so I ponder if he too didn't have connections to Terra, but because of that, he was plagued by Xehanort's Heartless too.

http://ff-rpg.net/images/Replikufake.jpg

i agree with repliku. if kairi's heart could be transferred into sora's body vessel, why can't ven's spirit get transfered into sora's body vessel?

[DjC]

okay guys ive had this theory that i want to share that ties in with the secret ending of both kh2 and kh2 fm and the info we have right now:

okay so first off i just was thinking that what if xemnas colected enough hearts to become whole? i think that he would become the xehanort from bbs. and i think the same for roxas. if he were to colect enough hearts he would become whole but he would be ven again.

1. What happend to ven and why he looks simimlar to roxas:

what i think happend is when ven was frozen he lost his heart but since there was no such thing as heartless he was able to stay human. i also think hes like kairi. when she lost her heart she didnt turn into a heartless. she was still the same but all she could do was move her eyes. well ven lost his heart and when he was frozen all he could do was move his eyes.

2. Why master xehanort had a keyblade and how it was transformed into an era to summon kingdom hearts:

(ill countinue number 1 after this side note) okay it is said that one who completely gives his heart to darkness cannot wield the keyblade. well after he stoll vens heart he had enough hearts to open kingdom hearts and in order to do so he had to trade in his keyblade for darkness and he did and summond kingdom hearts.

(back to number 1) ok so inorder for ven to be revived he must be put into the room of sleep and the vessel to his heart is going to be engraved into the next keyblade master. now this is why terra was obset about seeing sora as keyblade master in kh2 fm. when he said ur not the one i have chosen. its because in the sunset herrizon video when they picked up the kingdom key,way to dawn,and dark realme keyblade those were the chosen keyblades for the next wielders. and they get to choose wh othe wielders are. and when xehanort was approching them they summond the keyblades to be hidden until the next wielders are chosen. thats why in the kh2 fm secret vid they only had one keyblade. so when mickey appeared at the end of the vid is he fought xehanort and banned him to another mellenium (just like what he did to pete) and then he said to terra choose the next wielder of the kingdom key because vens vessel is assigned to the next wielder. so he chose riku. but riku surrendered to the dark and lost his chance and ven had became one with sora. but when sora lost his heart the vessel was released and his nobody was ven but in the form of a nobody which is soras name with an x in it (roxas). and he was born while he is asleep ( thats why its called birth by sleep). and xehanort found his way back to soras generation but the time warp messed with his memory. well xemnas knows that if he can find his heart he will be back to his old stage of when he was old. and if roxas could collect enough hearts he can become ven and be whole again. but he is one with sora again. but terra was still around and xehanort only could remember that he wanted revenge on terra so he found him and he fought terra and stole terras heart making him the xehanort we see in kh1. but terras heart and body are stolen now all thats left is his nobody which is the engimatic soldier but all he can remember is aqua,ven,keyblade, and how all he has left is hatred for xehanort. so aqua on the other hand is in the room of awakening because she is the one who created it. while she is waiting for vens return. because if roxas can find his heart in kingdom hearts he will awake his true identity as being ven once more.

well thats it. yeah u guys are probably thinking that made no sense at ALL but thats all i can think of. and it has alittle twist and turns like where aquq is but since shes part of the story too i just through her in lol

sry for the long post

[Eternal Session]

ok! so since were talking about Roxas xD lol

in TWTNW when Roxas and Sora Have that short battle cutscene Roxas yells
"Why did he choose you" (or somthing like that...) the point is the sentance had a "why" and then a " he choose" and then "u"
but!! Roxas never says who the "he" is?!?!?!

VEN!?!?!?!?!??
TERRA!!!!!!!!?
ME!?!?!?!?!??! xD

i think he is refer to the keyblade, since the keyblade chose his own master

[DjC]

i think he is refer to the keyblade, since the keyblade chose his own master

but a keybalde isnt a human being and its not a boy or girl so he is talking about someone else?

[SӓiḺØr N.Ø.I.$.E]

maybe theres some all powerful...."man" that gives people keyblades...IDK

-_-'

but on the bright side...im glad that this thread (i made it xD) is the highest veiwed thread in the BBS section xD!!!

[X-thor]

I assumed he was talking about Axel when he said that. Since Axel chose to help Sora and cease in trying to free Roxas.

Yeah I've always tougth that...

[SӓiḺØr N.Ø.I.$.E]

yea that does explain it

Edit....

totaly off topic but...

MY FRIEND JUST TOLD ME HE GOT SAILOR MOON S ON DVD IN JAP!!!!??!?! OMG!! HELL YESS!!!

[Whoa Its Jose]

Um, I always imagined Terra as Sora's father.
Don't know why, I just did. Anyone think so?

[Repliku]

Sora's awfully small to be related to Terra. Terra is a big guy and Sora doesn't seem to have inherited height at all from him, so I would say no. If Terra were Sora's dad, Sora would be as tall as Riku. The genetics don't add up.

Another point that nearly entirely breaks it is that Sora is 4 years old while in BBS Terra might be around 17-18ish? Terra, unless he's got a teenage pregnancy case going on, on a world he may not even be from...he's not going to have been Sora's dad. I'd think, rather than being stuck somewhere, he seemed to be training a lot.

[Luka]

Sora's awfully small to be related to Terra. Terra is a big guy and Sora doesn't seem to have inherited height at all from him, so I would say no. If Terra were Sora's dad, Sora would be as tall as Riku. The genetics don't add up.

Another point that nearly entirely breaks it is that Sora is 4 years old while in BBS Terra might be around 17-18ish? Terra, unless he's got a teenage pregnancy case going on, on a world he may not even be from...he's not going to have been Sora's dad. I'd think, rather than being stuck somewhere, he seemed to be training a lot.

Terra is so not sora dad also not ven thats just too odd D:

[SӓiḺØr N.Ø.I.$.E]

Terra is so not sora dad also not ven thats just too odd D:

agreed! he is too old

[Luka]

he would've been like 11 when hehad a child and thats not normal at least not for square .... square wouldn't do that

[SӓiḺØr N.Ø.I.$.E]

he would've been like 11 when hehad a child and thats not normal at least not for square .... square wouldn't do that

hehehehe so many things are wrong with u if ur having kids at 11 xD

i mean...dont (boys) normal start puberty around 11 lol i dont remeber xD lol but!!

no hes not his dad

[Amaury Garcia]

Oooookaaaaay...

[Blastion]

if you read the interviews on bbs, one of them says "if you think about the connection between sora and roxas, you will know th connection between ven and roxas" (he said something like that..)

and the connections i know are, that Roxas is half of sora (because he's his nobody)
--lets go from that actually-- roxas is half of what sora is. so if ven WAS sora's dad, then ven would be half of sora. if ven was his older brother, their not really half of eachother, they would really just be siblings, not even half of eachother.. cuz his rrother isnt REALLY part of him. thats just what i say though

and btw, we dont even know the age of ven, he could be 30, or 25 for all we know

[Xerjak]

Intresting theory, i think its one of the best theorys i have readed so far. But i dont know, why do you think that Ven is keyblade master? Cause we have never seen him to use keyblade, but they use swords, that looks like keyblades, but these swords arent keyblades, cause there is no keychain in them.


they are keyblades, just not "official ones"

those are porbably keyblades that apprentice people use, cause it was confirmed that they work under a keyblade master

[DjC]

hehehehe so many things are wrong with u if ur having kids at 11 xD

i mean...dont (boys) normal start puberty around 11 lol i dont remeber xD lol but!!

no hes not his dad
uuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuummmmmm mmmmmm ooooooooooooooooooooooooooooookayyyyyyyyyyyyy. but i highly doubt and im pretty sure that ven is not soras father/ or brother!!!!!!!! and i hope that they make ven like 13 years old in this game. they started soras story at 14 and it kinda made it difficult with the vioce and face change
Sora's awfully small to be related to Terra. Terra is a big guy and Sora doesn't seem to have inherited height at all from him, so I would say no. If Terra were Sora's dad, Sora would be as tall as Riku. The genetics don't add up.

Another point that nearly entirely breaks it is that Sora is 4 years old while in BBS Terra might be around 17-18ish? Terra, unless he's got a teenage pregnancy case going on, on a world he may not even be from...he's not going to have been Sora's dad. I'd think, rather than being stuck somewhere, he seemed to be training a lot.

hey y is ur name like a dark pink color? oh and i remember in fm when the organization were having a discussion on those chair things and they said its 10 years TOO early for the next keyblade master. i dont think its a coinsidence that the game takes place 10 years before sora and they said it is 10 years TOO early for the next wielder dont u think?

[SӓiḺØr N.Ø.I.$.E]

lol well u get the point it was odd to write let alone read xD

[DjC]

lol well u get the point it was odd to write let alone read xD

........................................ O__o? w/e. anyway. yeah i think that ven is roxas. and i think that baldy is the same person as xehanort.

[Luka]

........................................ O__o? w/e. anyway. yeah i think that ven is roxas. and i think that baldy is the same person as xehanort.

i say no to this ven can't be roxas since it's the past and roxas made yet >_>;

[SӓiḺØr N.Ø.I.$.E]

ahhhh but u see this is EXACTLY! what Nomaru (did i spell it right...the man behind KH) wants xD i know he totaly goes onto fan forums and is like
"hehehe silly fans..if only u knew how close u where mwhahahahahahahaha"

-_-' but then again this keeps me somewhat under controll allowing me to "vent" my ideas to ....somewhat... understanding people lol but i do think that some how ....some way...master xehanort and xehanort are the same if not related

OH! and btw nomaru said that Roxas and Ven were connected some how and not sora....this made me think

Ven and Roxas ARE connected somehow
Roxas IS Soras nobody
Sora IS the main character of the KH series...

so looking at that ^^^

if one is connected to Roxas then they are connected to Sora because Roxas IS (was...still is @.@) half of sora his "other half"

so i think he was just trying to throw us off....that cleaver man he is xD

[DjC]

i say no to this ven can't be roxas since it's the past and roxas made yet >_>;
well it could be that roxas use to be his own person. maybe when he was frozen he didnt age and somehow merged into sora and roxas has a half heart. something like that. probably not, but i dont think that ven and roxas look the same/ talk the same for no reason. just think if roxas would've colected enough hearts to become whole who would he be? would he still be the same roxas but just with a heart, or would he become ven again? thats what im wondering.
ahhhh but u see this is EXACTLY! what Nomaru (did i spell it right...the man behind KH) wants xD i know he totaly goes onto fan forums and is like
"hehehe silly fans..if only u knew how close u where mwhahahahahahahaha"

-_-' but then again this keeps me somewhat under controll allowing me to "vent" my ideas to ....somewhat... understanding people lol but i do think that some how ....some way...master xehanort and xehanort are the same if not related

OH! and btw nomaru said that Roxas and Ven were connected some how and not sora....this made me think

Ven and Roxas ARE connected somehow
Roxas IS Soras nobody
Sora IS the main character of the KH series...

so looking at that ^^^

if one is connected to Roxas then they are connected to Sora because Roxas IS (was...still is @.@) half of sora his "other half"

so i think he was just trying to throw us off....that cleaver man he is xD

lol. nomura pisses me off because he makes something sound sooooooo mysterious and then we play the game and find out that its soooooooo simple about what he was talking about. i bet that when the game comes out we r gonna be like "we're so dumb ven and roxas are the same person because..." and same with xehanort. lol ^^

[SӓiḺØr N.Ø.I.$.E]

ugh...but oh well will find out soon enough...im going for a late 2008 and a early 2009 release date for these games....idk i hope its sooner though

edit: but back on topic

[Nobodies*]

ok....think back...would anything weve seen in the KH games make us think that Ven and Roxas are linked? NO! thats why its so darn confusing!

here are some facts we know they have in common---

A) Ven is a Keyblade master
B) so is Roxas
C) Ven has been on destiney Island
D) Roxas' somebody (sora) lives on Destiney Island
E) Roxas and Ven look very similar...TOO similar (and there sharing a voice actor)

THE MAJOR SPOILER!!!----------------
Ven is soras older brother and went off to fight Xehanort and the new enemy things (not heartless) but he made Sora and Riku and the whole island forget about him so that if he never came back they didnt have to worrie about him
(kairis hasnt shown up yet)
and Sora's nobodie took the form of his long lost brother but he didnt remeber cuz Ven made him forget!! but Soras heart didnt! but Soras mind did!

Heartless*

WOW!!! this is really! good!!!! i like that idea!

...and if its bad to bring back a thread this old sorry

[Lefolane]

Nomura said Ven and Roxas have something related to each other, the Jap voice actor is the same person, too(I hope Jesse will be voiced as Roxas as well since he did well).
I also think it may be connected to Sora somehow. But I don't like the idea that Ven is Sora's bro.

[Dredica]

........................................ O__o? w/e. anyway. yeah i think that ven is roxas. and i think that baldy is the same person as xehanort. Umm, how can Ven be Roxas? Nomura already annouced that he isn't, case closed.

[Mild Wind]

Ven uses his keyblade with the left hand (Trailer) unlike Roxas ( Well Roxas can use 2 keyblades but he is based on the right hand xD )

And if Ven would be Soras brother it would be strange o_O
Because if you think logically - How could Sora's mum forget his own child XD?
There would be photos of ven left or something like that xD ( clothes , ven's room, ... )
ok sounds strange xD

[SӓiḺØr N.Ø.I.$.E]

Ven uses his keyblade with the left hand (Trailer) unlike Roxas ( Well Roxas can use 2 keyblades but he is based on the right hand xD )

And if Ven would be Soras brother it would be strange o_O
Because if you think logically - How could Sora's mum forget his own child XD?
There would be photos of ven left or something like that xD ( clothes , ven's room, ... )
ok sounds strange xD


lol this thread is back lol

ok didnt u read the frist post? that i made?

read that and then come back and talk to me about Ven being Soras brother cuz Ven probably did somthing to make everyone on the island forget about him incase he didnt return (sorta like what happend during CoM and in the beginning of KH2 how people suddenly remeberd sora and the gang)

Umm, how can Ven be Roxas? Nomura already annouced that he isn't, case closed.

yes, Ven and Roxas arnt the same...anymore

its in my very first post it will become clear if u READ IT! xD

but if u dont read it this all seems so werid lol xD

[Nobodies*]

yes ven and roxas are different

[burnitup]

ok....think back...would anything weve seen in the KH games make us think that Ven and Roxas are linked? NO! thats why its so darn confusing!

here are some facts we know they have in common---

A) Ven is a Keyblade master
B) so is Roxas
C) Ven has been on destiney Island
D) Roxas' somebody (sora) lives on Destiney Island
E) Roxas and Ven look very similar...TOO similar (and there sharing a voice actor)

THE MAJOR SPOILER!!!----------------
Ven is soras older brother and went off to fight Xehanort and the new enemy things (not heartless) but he made Sora and Riku and the whole island forget about him so that if he never came back they didnt have to worrie about him
(kairis hasnt shown up yet)
and Sora's nobodie took the form of his long lost brother but he didnt remeber cuz Ven made him forget!! but Soras heart didnt! but Soras mind did!

Heartless*

This is one of the better theories I have heard so far.

[SӓiḺØr N.Ø.I.$.E]

This is one of the better theories I have heard so far.

it makes me feel good when people think its good :3

[Axidra]

well i dont kno about his brother, but he knos him. this is what i think, Ven saw Sora and merged with him somehow, and he is possibly the voice that only Sora can hear, u kno "so much to do......so little time....take your time....the door is still shut....keep your light burning strong....keyblade....keyblade.....dont forget, you are the one who will open the door to light"
when Sora made the self-sacrifice and killed himself, Ven was....released in a way, and.....somewhat became his nobody, retaining his previous appearence, but netherless a nobody. but he has a heart, Ven's heart. and roxas has 2 keyblades b/c of the two memories/hearts. sora's and ven's. notice that sora needs to merge with his friends to have 2 keyblades.
i think nobodies can feel like they have a heart if they died in a self sacrifice. i think i read somewhere that Axel's somebody did. maybe thats why when he was friends with roxas (someone who has a heart, ven's sorta) he felt like he had a heart.
and yes, roxas has a heart, he can wield keyblades, and DiZ himself said it "kairi's connection with roxas's heart put him in contact with sora's heart" something like that, but he said it.

[SӓiḺØr N.Ø.I.$.E]

well i dont kno about his brother, but he knos him. this is what i think, Ven saw Sora and merged with him somehow, and he is possibly the voice that only Sora can hear, u kno "so much to do......so little time....take your time....the door is still shut....keep your light burning strong....keyblade....keyblade.....dont forget, you are the one who will open the door to light"
when Sora made the self-sacrifice and killed himself, Ven was....released in a way, and.....somewhat became his nobody, retaining his previous appearence, but netherless a nobody. but he has a heart, Ven's heart. and roxas has 2 keyblades b/c of the two memories/hearts. sora's and ven's. notice that sora needs to merge with his friends to have 2 keyblades.
i think nobodies can feel like they have a heart if they died in a self sacrifice. i think i read somewhere that Axel's somebody did. maybe thats why when he was friends with roxas (someone who has a heart, ven's sorta) he felt like he had a heart.
and yes, roxas has a heart, he can wield keyblades, and DiZ himself said it "kairi's connection with roxas's heart put him in contact with sora's heart" something like that, but he said it.

o.0 ok Roxas....yes...sure w/e