View Full Version : Name of the New Enemy...
...is Endless.
Watch this video (Deep Dive): http://youtube.com/watch?v=3g9-ltB1c1w
Alright, go to 2:09. In bold letters it says "NOBODY."
Next, in bold letters at 2:12 it says "ENDLESS."
Finally, at 2:18, we say "HEARTLESS."
Just from simple observations I can guess that the final enemy is the Endless. Because, honestly, if we're made up of the heart (Heartless), body (Nobody), and soul, where does the soul go? Does it carry on forever, or is it put somewhere else for someone else's body?
That's why I think the "Endless" will be the final enemy of the series. This is simply guess work though, but I think the clues are blaring.
HigherBeing
10-03-2007, 01:00 AM
You can depict anything from those three words, really. To me, it's a nice theory, but you don't have enough worthy evidence.
:\ Sorry, that sounds kinda mean to me.
tummer
10-03-2007, 01:02 AM
enless sounds kinda of an odd name of an enemy. but then again so does heartless and nobody.
HigherBeing
10-03-2007, 01:07 AM
But name-wise, ^_^'' hehe, it's a likely possibility.
But then again, one scene says Paradise, so yeah...
SӓiḺØr N.Ø.I.$.E
10-03-2007, 01:22 AM
COOL!!! that sounds really COOL! endless ...endless...The Endless....very nice
Heartless*
EDIT!--in the video right before it says endless its says
"the thrid enemy= nobodies"
it makes since cuz it would go
Endless
Heartless
Nobodies
cool
HigherBeing
10-03-2007, 01:31 AM
*spaz*
That does make rather good sense... >w>
SӓiḺØr N.Ø.I.$.E
10-03-2007, 01:35 AM
score!!!
heartless*
Vex123
10-03-2007, 02:14 AM
Fighting endless... I can already imagine it...
TabbyRoxas
10-03-2007, 10:13 PM
Endless...
Has to be the Soul. There's only the Soul left.
Its a good name for an Enemy, kinda has a dark feel to it, not just some random word like Heartless or Nobody.
BBS is becoming less and less kiddier. Its leaning towards the Teen Rating.
Mirai
10-03-2007, 11:16 PM
Nomura has already said that the game takes place before there were Heartless and Nobodies. So, there can't be an Endless/Souless without a Heartless.
Lunacy Divine
10-03-2007, 11:20 PM
That's why I think the "Endless" will be the final enemy of the series. This is simply guess work though, but I think the clues are blaring.
Actually, that's a good observation. "Endless" does apply to the soul, so I wouldn't be surprised if it turns out to be true. Only problem is, this is said to take place before the existence of Heartless and Nobodies. Unless, of course, Nomura contradicts himself, as usual.
Darkwatch
10-03-2007, 11:25 PM
Endless could mean anything.
Your theory is intriguing, and it could work, yes.
But the quotes below it: "Are you going back to the island?" (or something) could drastically change that theory...
I think I might think about that more. I'm very curious. D: D: D:
roxas255
10-03-2007, 11:49 PM
I wonder if this new member was in the Organization before or after Roxas, and I want to know what her element and weapon are.
Akino
10-03-2007, 11:51 PM
I wonder if this new member was in the Organization before or after Roxas, and I want to know what her element and weapon are.
Wrong fourm. Please discuss this in the 358/2 days fourm.
Terra26
10-04-2007, 02:28 AM
damn it i hate you people who dont do any research before they come up with these things if you actually read the ansem reports it says that the heart becomes a heartless and then the body and soul become the nobody
Vex123
10-04-2007, 02:59 AM
damn it i hate you people who dont do any research before they come up with these things if you actually read the ansem reports it says that the heart becomes a heartless and then the body and soul become the nobody
oh... he's right. If a nobody didn't have a soul it would be a lifeless motionless corpse. So... :stupid:.
OblivionKey
10-04-2007, 10:39 PM
Yup you could be right.
Mr. Pumpkin
10-06-2007, 06:23 PM
I like the name Endless, though. and in the fighting screenshot with Terra there is a new enemy, so why couldnt that be the name for it. I mean, maybe those new enemy's came everytime, attacking Terra and his friends all the time, so they called them Endless. then Master Xehanort came, and they stopt coming, or something. you don't know.
werkku6
10-06-2007, 06:50 PM
They could be endless, but i dont really now. Maybe that endless just means ever lasting fight, between good guys and bad guys.
O R A N G E
10-07-2007, 02:45 AM
Endless could be the name, yes. But just becuase the name could be endless does not mean that if it is it is related to heartless and nobodies. An Endless could be created in a completely different way for all we know.
Lord Knight Xiron
10-07-2007, 05:53 AM
Yeah, endless is possible. And the enemies could very well be Endless/Soulless without Heartless/Nobodies existing, despite what you people keep saying. Heartless and Nobodies deal with the heart separating from the body and soul. Well...why can't the soul separate from the body and heart without touching on the subject of heartless and nobodies? Here's how I see it:
Body dies - you lose your body:
body = corpse/heart + soul = spirit
Heart gets lost to the darknesss:
heart = Heartless/body + soul = Nobody
Soul gets corrupted somehow:
Soul = "Endless"/heart + body = "Soulless" or "Dis-Soul" as it says in Sunset Horizons
Pwned.
See? They could exist without being related to heartless and nobodies. the heartless could not exist yet, and the "Endless" could still work.
Sorry for the rant. I'm done now.
Repliku
10-07-2007, 07:27 AM
This is a good observation and it might hold true if the word "Endless" was indeed what he was calling them and not just describing some endless battle. It makes sense to me and also as others have said, does tie in with how people feel a soul is immortal. I've seen some of the pics for the new enemies and they have nothing really to do with Heartless or Nobodies. Also, the Soulless or Endless if that is what he's calling them, does make sense to me for the names of the new beings that were before KH. If you are right on that, it would be cool. =:)
http://ff-rpg.net/images/Replikufake.jpg
KATACHI IS KING!!
10-07-2007, 07:45 AM
i doubt the new name is Endless. it just would be weird. even in japanese.
Weird? The name "Roxas" is pretty weird, as well as "Larxene," but as we use them in writing, conversation, and thought they begin to sound better and flow better. I'm glad people have added on to my theory. I definitely think I could be correct with this. The evidence stacks up.
HigherBeing
10-10-2007, 12:24 AM
... Yes, and my friends knows some japanese and translanted some of the scanned pages for me.
lol, it doesn't help much. xD But it's something. lol
an IM!:
i put what part of speech they are. if i dont know that then its jibberish.
Oh.
Okay then, lol
things from the secret ending are
finally becoming clear. noun in noun
keblade big power verb-ing. katsute noun keyblade is jfjfjf in the
world and motara****amo is verb-ing. "kh" <more than 8 ansem reports>. before sora had the keyblade, in the world there was*'some jibberish about a* keyblade master. the only one in this, master zehanort was ddjfdkfjdk, fjdkfj and
jdkfjds verb-ed.
... hm
because of this jf jf there was
some firey thing got big. quickly this thing verb thing the master his 3
people *something along the lines of followers* him and those did some verb like some other verb. something was... .
HMMMM
in the kh2 final mix movie ,then, there was a scene of some people/things who came's adjective picture rpg, "kingdomehearts birthbysleep". this time becaseu of/from that movie noun because turned light/bright 2 people's nouns did something to the interior of their hearts . noun thing interview and writing (?) in noun
HMMMMMMM
LOL
xD
lol
so in that last part, which was the easiest, its like talking about something that had to do with the ending involving hearts, light, 3 people, "this time" refering to the new game, that was mentioned or confirmed or something in an interview or something
Oh I see
KATACHI IS KING!!
10-13-2007, 08:39 AM
and here i thot that his name was MASTER XEHENORT!
OneWingedHeartless
10-15-2007, 11:07 AM
Hmm endless... Never saw that
Very good observation
Maybe endless is supposed to be created
before heartless and nobodies...
X-thor
10-15-2007, 01:42 PM
You can depict anything from those three words, really. To me, it's a nice theory, but you don't have enough worthy evidence.
:\ Sorry, that sounds kinda mean to me.
Yeah you can't now for sure...
Endless ? I dont think so >_>
Spitfire
10-15-2007, 04:13 PM
Bou that is genius, and it totally makes sense about it all. I can see that working, but I don't know if the term endless played any part in KH2 which i am positive it didn't.
wakingleaf
10-25-2007, 09:29 PM
Endless. The quality of the video makes that conjecture plausible. Endless being referred as the soul in the trinity of being makes sense, with the soul being the first, as it needs neither body nor heart, just existing. It could be a headline of Ansem's theories or experience though, as in endless darkness.
But since there were titles that said Heartless and Nobodies, it could be a name.
twilightsbringing
10-26-2007, 12:51 AM
...is Endless.
Watch this video (Deep Dive): http://youtube.com/watch?v=3g9-ltB1c1w
Alright, go to 2:09. In bold letters it says "NOBODY."
Next, in bold letters at 2:12 it says "ENDLESS."
Finally, at 2:18, we say "HEARTLESS."
Just from simple observations I can guess that the final enemy is the Endless. Because, honestly, if we're made up of the heart (Heartless), body (Nobody), and soul, where does the soul go? Does it carry on forever, or is it put somewhere else for someone else's body?
That's why I think the "Endless" will be the final enemy of the series. This is simply guess work though, but I think the clues are blaring.
That could be. However, since the name hasn't been mentioned much, I'm guessing they'll be called chasers. Heartless are the result of darkness surrounding a heart that has been stolen. Nobodies are the body and soul left behind. Perhaps chasers are what steel the hearts in the first place. Maybe, like you said, they are the souls of those who have lost their hearts/bodies to the darkness. I haven't really thought about why they would steal hearts that are not their own, though. Perhaps it's because their hearts were somehow destroyed and there is no hope of repairing them. Thus, they seek for a new heart, chasing after those that have one.
That's probably way-out there, but oh well. XD
oblivionblade
10-26-2007, 01:56 AM
I was looking on the pages in the kingdom hearts 2 final mix + Ultimania book and I found a symbol only on the pages where they talk about Terra. I will try to upload this soon because I think that it may tie to these Endless Creatures...
Eternal Session
10-26-2007, 02:18 AM
Endless..? new enemy name?
iwantedtoexplode
10-26-2007, 02:52 AM
I still think the new enemy will be "Dis-Soul." The reason I'm hesitent about endless is:
1) It has no indication of souls.
2) The suffix "less" already apears in "heartless," and I think that they would use another term that means"without" instead of just repeating themselves.
Ixenin
10-26-2007, 03:13 AM
Where did the term "Dis-Soul" come from, anyway?
Eternal Session
10-26-2007, 03:33 AM
Dis-Soul means they are lack of soul but left heart and body?
or the new enemy name could be related to mind?
iwantedtoexplode
10-26-2007, 05:55 AM
Where did the term "Dis-Soul" come from, anyway?
Sombody saw it in a brief Kingdom Hearts (3) trailer a few months before TGS. I believe the trailer showed clips of Sora, Roxas, and Terra, and the words reading "with whom will the next story lie?" came up at the end. However, there is no conformation that the term "Dis-Soul" actually apeared, the person may have misread.
xekushi
10-27-2007, 04:27 PM
If you look at the 13 point chat it says
7 - "ENDLESS" "What took you so long Kairi?" "Can we do it? Against That?"
I don't think this has anything to do with the new enemy.
Thats just me though.
Eternal Session
10-28-2007, 12:42 AM
If you look at the 13 point chat it says
7 - "ENDLESS" "What took you so long Kairi?" "Can we do it? Against That?"
I don't think this has anything to do with the new enemy.
Thats just me though.
what is 13 point chat? XDD
i would agree that it is related to soul or memories.
Since in the secret ansem report , it say that 3 elements combined to create a life: a heart, a body and a soul..
If you look at the 13 point chat it says
7 - "ENDLESS" "What took you so long Kairi?" "Can we do it? Against That?"
I don't think this has anything to do with the new enemy.
Thats just me though.
when does it say that ?
xekushi
10-28-2007, 12:50 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by xekushi View Post
If you look at the 13 point chat it says
7 - "ENDLESS" "What took you so long Kairi?" "Can we do it? Against That?"
I don't think this has anything to do with the new enemy.
Thats just me though.
when does it say that ?
In the deep dive movie
Not so right... If I'm not being stupid, I remember someone saying that The Nobody have the body AND the souls, of the once self.
Dis soul also sounds cool >_>
Bluk0
10-30-2007, 07:34 PM
nice observation there I think ENDLESS is a cool name for an enemy. But I still think NOBODIES are the coolest.
Vanitas
11-01-2007, 09:47 AM
...is Endless.
Watch this video (Deep Dive): http://youtube.com/watch?v=3g9-ltB1c1w
Alright, go to 2:09. In bold letters it says "NOBODY."
Next, in bold letters at 2:12 it says "ENDLESS."
Finally, at 2:18, we say "HEARTLESS."
Just from simple observations I can guess that the final enemy is the Endless. Because, honestly, if we're made up of the heart (Heartless), body (Nobody), and soul, where does the soul go? Does it carry on forever, or is it put somewhere else for someone else's body?
That's why I think the "Endless" will be the final enemy of the series. This is simply guess work though, but I think the clues are blaring.
Cool. So the soul in KH is endless and thats the reason to call them that.. Another name would be CHASERS, which was mentioned in KH2´s secret ending..
xekushi
11-01-2007, 12:28 PM
Yen Sid said it him self in the begining of the game that Nobodies are body AND soul. xD Half you people aren't listening to the cutscenes.
AntiWeapon
11-01-2007, 11:42 PM
Also for the fact that this is before the Heartless and Nobodies existed!
Also for the fact that this is before the Heartless and Nobodies existed!
Heartless existed before , just not in a heartless like form .
The heartless existed in the complete race's hearts . . .
. . . it was Ansem the Wise's research that caused them to come out . . .
Eternal Session
11-02-2007, 12:42 AM
Yen Sid said it him self in the begining of the game that Nobodies are body AND soul. xD Half you people aren't listening to the cutscenes.
Yeah, you're right, but i do think that the heartless exist before but they havent given a name, before Ansem or Xehanort named them
xekushi
11-03-2007, 12:52 AM
Hold on, Ansem the wise created heartless after finding dark creatures and these new things a pretty dark. Work the rest out yourself.
Repliku
11-03-2007, 03:16 AM
Cool. So the soul in KH is endless and thats the reason to call them that.. Another name would be CHASERS, which was mentioned in KH2´s secret ending..
The Chasers seem to be Aqua, Ven and Terra and have nothing to do with types of enemies. The Endless do seem to possibly be the name of the enemy in KH BBS. It seems reasonable. It may be wrong but there's a good chance the Endless are beings that somehow lost their souls.
Darkshy
11-04-2007, 02:04 AM
Well I don't think it's endless. Personally I believe it's "CHASERS" in the KH2 seacret ending that appears. Makes more sense to me.
well i still think endless is pretty odd =0
Hold on, Ansem the wise created heartless after finding dark creatures and these new things a pretty dark. Work the rest out yourself.
That hasn't been proven yet . ;D
xekushi
11-05-2007, 12:49 AM
But we do know that Ansem created heartless
Also the only proof that Terra and co. are chasers is becomes someone said it once and now its what everyone believes.
Repliku
11-05-2007, 02:08 AM
But we do know that Ansem created heartless
Also the only proof that Terra and co. are chasers is becomes someone said it once and now its what everyone believes.
No, we don't. We only know for sure that Xehanort/Ansem created 'Emblem' Heartless which are all the ones with the Heartless symbol on them. As for the 'Pureblood' Heartless, as Ansem the Wise called them, we don't know that. Even in the fake Ansem reports, 'Ansem' makes comments about how a Shadow showed up and also spoke about it going to a door in the lower levels of the castle. So really, he may have dragged a Heartless there from Darkness, but did not create the initial ones. It was the machine he made that he produced the Emblem Heartless from and dispersed them to many worlds before casting himself to Darkness when Ansem the Wise discovered what he was doing.
xekushi
11-05-2007, 08:01 AM
I was talking about Ansem the wise and the emblem heartless <.<
A may be a bit late, but Endless is not the name, it is just a random word thrown in there. I know this because I also saw it in Another side, another story.
xekushi
11-05-2007, 09:59 AM
Yeah i think Endless meant something but has nothing to do with the new enemies name.
Luxord93
11-05-2007, 12:15 PM
I shall call the new enemiies chasers because the word was in KH2 secret ending.
Revelry
11-06-2007, 12:32 AM
i understand the clues but the saying goes "heart, body and soul" doesnt it?
i was thinking more along the lines of "Soulless." Those without souls...
Repliku
11-06-2007, 03:55 AM
I'm pretty sure the 'Chasers' refers to the 3 warriors; Aqua, Ven and Terra. I tend to call the new enemies 'Soulless' until I know what they are too but if Endless does have a significance at all, it could be what the new enemies are known as. Souls are often considered eternal so it would fit. However, if it's none of those guess we have a mystery.
wow soulless o.o nice
also i think endless is just a random word they put in to make it more dramatic ...
Vex123
11-06-2007, 03:45 PM
I don't think it's a soulless. since this is before heartless and nobodies, i'm not sure whether this has to do with a soul. In one scan, Terra asks "Geezernort,""What did you do to his heart?!" This may be terra refering to somone he turned into the new enemy. It could be Ven, though, too. But i don't think it has to do with the soul.
I guess Endless in the secret ending ment that the events of the Keyblade War and Kingdom Hearts will keep going on and on . Xehanort will be reborn into different forms and so will Kairi, Sora , and Riku who I think are just Aqua , Ventus , and Terra reborn .
History will repeat itself , like I said so many times .
Repliku
11-06-2007, 08:16 PM
I guess Endless in the secret ending ment that the events of the Keyblade War and Kingdom Hearts will keep going on and on . Xehanort will be reborn into different forms and so will Kairi, Sora , and Riku who I think are just Aqua , Ventus , and Terra reborn .
History will repeat itself , like I said so many times .
Well the theory would work out if Sora and Riku (as well as Kairi even if she's not there) are 4 and 5 years old while Terra, Ven and Aqua are alive and in their teens. It could be as you said though, that 'Endless' refers to an ongoing battle though, otherwise.
Eternal Session
11-07-2007, 11:39 AM
Endless is the amount of Heartless and nobodies, i think..
the new enemy could have connection with the Dark soldier and master xehanort.. maybe they create them
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