RP counted posts

[chula-claire]

I think that the Role Playing section should count posts. Many people participate and it could really boost post numbers. People like to show off how many posts they have :)
Also, some people are only on this forum for RPing. It's not fair for them to have a low post count when they have probably posted hundreds, blowing many braggarts out of the water. Please post your ideas about this suggestion and make a difference!

[Laplace]

Then the RPG section will be full of flamers and trolls, and then they will reach to premiumness without deserving it.

[chula-claire]

Hmm, that is true. Haha, I hate when I am cross examined! :D

But that would give RPers the advantage to report them for spamming.

[Darkwing Duck]

Hell no to this.

RPers are like spammers anyway <_< Do you have any idea how many posts a day the RP section gets?
Why should a person get to premium by posting nonsense?

A lot of us have already posted hundreds, heck even thousands, without these posts counting.

So again, I disapprove.

[Ratchet]

As an RP'er (not a spammer in the RP section) it will never happen. This is not primarily an RP site so RP'ing doesn't have that sort of status here.

[La Sofa]

Hm... I disagree...

[ЯзJзct.çom]

....
That's just like saying posts should count in the spamzone...
Well, maybe not.
But.
No.

[mixt]

I agree with the fact that is posts counted in the RP zone numbers would sky rocket and a lot of people would start spamming in there, but a lot of the RP section isn't spam so i don't think the should count for nothing.

*facedesk* how do i allways end up right in the middle for arguments like this?

Maybe half or quarter posts? That is if the coding can even handle that...

[Laurence_Fox]

I don't think I can say no enough to disagree with this idea.

It would be ridiculously easy to get to Premium with posts from the role-play and some of those aren't even worth is.

Another issue raised is that posts would have to count in the FF or SZ. Which in the case of the FF would never be approved since the Kadaj Family gets 100+ per day.

So no.

[Nanaki]

No, this would be bad. Like...really bad. Because the RPing Section is ment for fun, and not really ment for post count pluses. Too many people would reach Premmy from it, and that would be too easy. I completely dissagree...as a lot of others do.

*Waits for closeage*

[chula-claire]

Thanks for your opinions you guys, I just don't think that the posts should count for nothing. I like the 1/2 or 1/4 post idea, if that is possible (prolly not).

[VideoGameNerd246]

I don't think I can say no enough to disagree with this idea.

It would be ridiculously easy to get to Premium with posts from the role-play and some of those aren't even worth is.

Another issue raised is that posts would have to count in the FF or SZ. Which in the case of the FF would never be approved since the Kadaj Family gets 100+ per day.

So no.
I agree 100%. With what Laurence_Fox said, not this idea.

[La Sofa]

Thanks for your opinions you guys, I just don't think that the posts should count for nothing. I like the 1/2 or 1/4 post idea, if that is possible (prolly not).

Well, well if the post counts .5 of post, it might confuse people. But if is possible, I agree.

[Catch the Rain]

I think that the Role Playing section should count posts. Many people participate and it could really boost post numbers. People like to show off how many posts they have :)
Also, some people are only on this forum for RPing. It's not fair for them to have a low post count when they have probably posted hundreds, blowing many braggarts out of the water. Please post your ideas about this suggestion and make a difference!

Thanks for your opinions you guys, I just don't think that the posts should count for nothing. I like the 1/2 or 1/4 post idea, if that is possible (prolly not).

It's a difficult thing to decide, for sure there are some BRILLIANT RPers whos posts are well deserving of some form of recognition, but there are also some absolutey awful RPers who post things like " Axel nodded his head" which to me is undeserved of anything -__-

I do not see it as possible or even realistic, I am very sorry, because like I say there are some fantastic RPers who I love RPing with ^^ but it is not justifiable for those who are not so *cough* skilled.

[Sara]

Sorry, but at the first site I actually was at a forum at we had posts count, it only lasted a day.

It's too much of a disaster. Members should post in other areas if they want more posts. No forums where I went to where posts counted in the rpg zone had it work for long.

Sorry, but it's the truth. PM me with objections.

-LOCKED-

[Blanc]

I think you should only have the posts don't count rule in the Spam section. I dont think its fair that people take time to post in the role playing forum and it doesnt count.

[Rosey]

Suggested before and it failed.

Answer: No

[Blanc]

Do you mean they tried it, or it was just suggested?

[Rosey]

One of our admins has tried it on another forum and it failed miserably.

So no.

[Catch the Rain]

I think you should only have the posts don't count rule in the Spam section. I dont think its fair that people take time to post in the role playing forum and it doesnt count.

No way xD


"Demyx laughed" <--------- posts like that do not deserve to be credited for xD


They choose to post in the RP section knowing it doesn't count ^^ and sure there are some damn good RPers, but there are several not so good.

Like Rosey says, been suggested before xD and No

[Sara]

Suggested...

I worked at forums where posts count in a rpg section. It never works. Staff close and delete threads for spam, members get pissed off, the staff have to make it so posts don't count so they don't have to lose any more threads...

It avoids a lot of conflict.

-LOCKED-

[Xaerun]

With posts not counting in the RP board, it's a bit tricky.
See, I love posting in RPs, but it means I'm stuck with an annoyingly low post count. Some RPs tend to go off on a tangent, yes, but I don't have much expertise with KH1 and barely any with KH2. The only game I've beaten is CoM/CoM:Re/Rv. Is it possible to perhaps have stricter RP-thread rules and make the posts count?

[Spitfire]

No, because regardless, it is basically a second spamzone with a purpose (almost oxymoron). Anything KH related can be talked about in the KH section other wise you are clarifying things that shouldn't count for posts. Plus, people would just sit in the RP section all day...and become premmy in like a week and that is not what it is about.

[Jordier0xs0x]

Ah ha, having stricter rules wouldn't help, unless there was a rule saying '3 posts per day' or something. The reason why posts don't count is because people post like 10-30 posts, maybe more, a day. So thats why posts don't count, because people who post In the Spamzone and RPG Arena would have posts over 1000 just In the first 3 weeks or so.

I completely disagree with this Idea, sorry.

[Gerdneek]

I have my number of post because I visit the creativity corner. It is like the RPGs but you don't have to do work.

[JellyBeing]

With posts not counting in the RP board, it's a bit tricky.
See, I love posting in RPs, but it means I'm stuck with an annoyingly low post count. Some RPs tend to go off on a tangent, yes, but I don't have much expertise with KH1 and barely any with KH2. The only game I've beaten is CoM/CoM:Re/Rv. Is it possible to perhaps have stricter RP-thread rules and make the posts count?

It's actually not that hard to have a higher post count with literally no knowledge of the KH series. There are many other sections where posts count that have absolutely nothing to do with Kindgom Hearts, like: Music, Books, Intelligent Discusion, Introduce Yourself, Original Work, Anything Else, ect. See you have a wide variety to pick where you would like to post.

In all honesty, I think that would be a horrible idea... the RP Section can be just as worse as the Spam Zone. So I'm going with a big thumbs done, sorry kid.

:/

[Vivi's Dark Side]

Tch, As Spitty said the place is regardless a second spam zone, if you want more posts go to other sections than the crappy RP board.

[Nymph of Destiny]

It's actually not that hard to have a higher post count with literally no knowledge of the KH series. There are many other sections where posts count that have absolutely nothing to do with Kindgom Hearts, like: Music, Books, Intelligent Discusion, Introduce Yourself, Original Work, Anything Else, ect. See you have a wide variety to pick where you would like to post.

In all honesty, I think that would be a horrible idea... the RP Section can be just as worse as the Spam Zone. So I'm going with a big thumbs done, sorry kid.

:/

Basically what JellyBeing said...as much as I love RPing, I have to agree with her.

[Xaerun]

Yikes, that was profound. Can't we just say no and leave it at that? *laughs nervously*

[Vivi's Dark Side]

Yikes, that was profound. Can't we just say no and leave it at that? *laughs nervously*

Nope, when a bad suggestion is made, we like to make sure you know fully why it's bad.

[Jordier0xs0x]

I have my number of post because I visit the creativity corner. It is like the RPGs but you don't have to do work.

Err...Well thats very professional.

[Repliku]

I'd have to say no to this idea. Going through the RPs I can see most of the posts are one-liners and many are not really even complete sentences. Some people also post 10+ one-liners a day and I don't think that's really quality and I see more effort done in the Spam Zone. If people wrote out things as seriously as they do in the Creativity Corner, I could see it but in reality, it just isn't that way for the majority of people who do the rpgs. Try posting around to other areas and I'm sure your post count will improve in no time.

[Peyton]

Guys we don't wasnt to scare him/her away...

Anyway I'm saying no to this suggestion.
1.Many members disagreed
2.RPG section is simply another spamzone
3.It would be a way to cheao way to earn posts
4.Many newbies come to the RPG section and is fully knowledged with rules etc yet.
5.All the good reasons stated by other members above

Case is

~Closed

[P]

In the KH2 forum, I can add to my post count by saying "lol i tink riku iz better than sora" and I walk away merry, one thousandth closer to premium.

In the Extended RP section, there is a minimum of ten lines, spelling and grammar is a necessity and thought is needed.

However, half a fanfic later, I still have nothing to show for it.

If I were to post a fanfic in the creativity corner, I get post count, so Post Count is not only dished out if it is game related.

So why not make RP extended count for posts? Past standards show it is the correct thing to do.

(I considered suggesting all of the RP area, but I think I will tackle the smaller fences first)

[Sexy Sheva]

I Say no... I am a role player and i know that others try hard at those, but then soon, there will be role players going into the Extended section and then they'll start posting smaller and those with bad grammar will keep posting as it is.. And plus, they'll only use the posts to get their post counts up, and they'll probably quit once the requirements are set. I'm not saying everyone will do that, but it's possible.

[P]

Meh. There is still the ten line min. I doubt random people prefer role playing with members who complain about their grammar and mods who delete/warn them about their posts, opposed to posting in Riku V.S. Sora topics.

[Ghetto]

I say no. I will get whored by little "txt tlk" trolls who want to be hot pink faggots. Also, posts count in sections that are beneficial, not purely for fun. If you want to get your posts up, go post some where that it counts. Simple as that.

[Sexy Sheva]

I say no. I will get whored by little "txt tlk" trolls who want to be hot pink faggots. Also, posts count in sections that are beneficial, not purely for fun. If you want to get your posts up, go post some where that it counts. Simple as that.

quoted for the truth

[Revelry]

well Repliku came out with a "little note" 2 or 3 weeks ago. It basically condems all that stuff that people do like "I LIEK RIKUZ DA BEST." And besides, I like the way the post count is now. The most fun places on the site shouldnt have posts that count because it becomes too open for whorism...XD

Imagine the spamzone with post count. I checked, I'd have about 2000+ posts by now...

[P]

I say no. I will get whored by little "txt tlk" trolls who want to be hot pink faggots. Also, posts count in sections that are beneficial, not purely for fun. If you want to get your posts up, go post some where that it counts. Simple as that.

Explain how the Creativity corner or graphics section is different from RP extended.

When you have completed that task, explain how an in- depth analysis of a character's emotions in a post-game scenario is less beneficial or productive than a one line txt-tlk "I lik roxas becuz hes kool."

It cannot be post whored, as all the usual n00bs are not going to be posting ten lines long. Anything that is posted less than ten lines long is deleted, due Catch the Rain's vigilant modship of the forum.

If we are accepting that all the post whores are following Repliku's rules, then we are obliged to accept that they will also follow CtR's rules.

I never suggested the spamzone, that would be insane. If you haven't visited the Extended RP forum, do so and see the types of posts there are.

[Chevalier]

Explain how the Creativity corner or graphics section is different from RP extended.

When you have completed that task, explain how an in- depth analysis of a character's emotions in a post-game scenario is less beneficial or productive than a one line txt-tlk "I lik roxas becuz hes kool."

It cannot be post whored, as all the usual n00bs are not going to be posting ten lines long. Anything that is posted less than ten lines long is deleted, due Catch the Rain's vigilant modship of the forum.

If we are accepting that all the post whores are following Repliku's rules, then we are obliged to accept that they will also follow CtR's rules.

I never suggested the spamzone, that would be insane. If you haven't visited the Extended RP forum, do so and see the types of posts there are.

this sound plausible.

why does everyone think everything gets whored?

okay...maybe most things do but

that just sounds rare in this case.

because the rules that surround the extended RP's are rather strict, so this case seems to be different , in the fact that.people wont really waste time posting ten lines , just to get a post...unless they are into the RP.

so spammers wouldnt go as far as to write that much for a post.

[Destined]

Explain how the Creativity corner or graphics section is different from RP extended.

When you have completed that task, explain how an in- depth analysis of a character's emotions in a post-game scenario is less beneficial or productive than a one line txt-tlk "I lik roxas becuz hes kool."

It cannot be post whored, as all the usual n00bs are not going to be posting ten lines long. Anything that is posted less than ten lines long is deleted, due Catch the Rain's vigilant modship of the forum.

If we are accepting that all the post whores are following Repliku's rules, then we are obliged to accept that they will also follow CtR's rules.

I never suggested the spamzone, that would be insane. If you haven't visited the Extended RP forum, do so and see the types of posts there are.

The Creativity Corner is one person sharing a story that they alone are working on. The graphic section is where artists go to showcase their works and have it commented upon so that they may be able to increase their skill.

The RPG extended section would be the only section I could see this working and not being post whored, but there is a downside. It will mean that members will figure why create a crappy rpg in a section that no one will look at, while i can create the same crappy RPG in a section that counts toward posts? It would work, but either way spam would over flow out the ying yang eventually. I believe that that is why posts don't count in any of the RPG sections in the first place, same with the families.

So i'd say unless there were extremely strict guidelines enforced in the extended section, then i don't forsee this happening.

And we all know how much i love spam....

[Ghetto]

Explain how the Creativity corner or graphics section is different from RP extended.
Well for one, people go to GFX to get CnC and get better, make clans, and do task to improve thier skills. I don't know much about the creativity corner but I know people write poems and songs to express them selves and let people comment on it. Both can actualy be taken into the real world and there are jobs based around that. I know quite a few people who strive to be Graphic Designers. I've never heard of a pro-role playing getting paid.

When you have completed that task, explain how an in- depth analysis of a character's emotions in a post-game scenario is less beneficial or productive than a one line txt-tlk "I lik roxas becuz hes kool."
Well you see, thats the point. It's a game. It's not helping the forum. This is a kingdom hearts forum and yes, there are people whoring posts and your suggestion will only add to it. The RPs don't benefit the forum. This is a KH forum, so KH is the main focus. There will be whores and txt tlkers no matter what. The RP section is full of them.

It cannot be post whored, as all the usual n00bs are not going to be posting ten lines long. Anything that is posted less than ten lines long is deleted, due Catch the Rain's vigilant modship of the forum.
I made an RP in there a while back and it got to around 5-7 pages before we all quit. Most of my posts there were about 4-5 lines. I'm pretty sure the thread is gone now but it sure as hell took them a while. But the length isn't my point, it's the fact that your trying to get rewarded for playing a game. Your RP is helping us. If you can write so much about a fictional character click a few buttons and go to the Creativity Corner.
If we are accepting that all the post whores are following Repliku's rules, then we are obliged to accept that they will also follow CtR's rules.There will always be someone who breaks the rules and not all rule breakers are caught. Rules were made to be broken.

[Laurence_Fox]

The RPG extended section would be the only section I could see this working and not being post whored, but there is a downside. It will mean that members will figure why create a crappy rpg in a section that no one will look at, while i can create the same crappy RPG in a section that counts toward posts? It would work, but either way spam would over flow out the ying yang eventually. I believe that that is why posts don't count in any of the RPG sections in the first place, same with the families.



This is my reasoning entirely. I know CTR has strict guidelines, but can she keep up when the entire basic rpg section migrates over to the Extended rpg section? I mean all it takes is one person to spread the word like wildfire. One mod against say...a couply hundred rpers posting barely 6 words a minute? The Extended RPG section would be overrun by crappy KH goez to College/High School rps in a week at the most.

I say no. And this isn't because of my seething hatred for this site's rpers speaking. This is common sense talking.

[Skittles]

I'd say no hands down. That like saying the spamzone getting post counts. There'd be prems everywhere, and those post would only count for the RPlaying. It's would like, mocking the other people who worked hard for the post count. :/

[Ghetto]

I'd say no hands down. That like saying the spamzone getting post counts. There'd be prems everywhere, and those post would only count for the RPlaying. It's would like, mocking the other people who worked hard for the post count. :/

QFT
We've already got enough people complaining about the amount of prems.

[Skittles]

QFT
We've already got enough people complaining about the amount of prems.

I think they should higher the standards. <:/

But that's also a problem, so the thought is futile.

[Chevalier]

I think they should higher the standards. <:/

But that's also a problem, so the thought is futile.

there's a thread for this already

just try not to spam.

and the extended Rp section, is not a spamzone.

far from it.

and lets try to stay on topic...of course your point is related but not for this thread.

now back to whats important.

i agree with shades....but the rules that are in place in the ERP , are good enough to sustain the post count.


and i understand ghetto's point of view too.

[Skittles]

firstly, there's a thread for this already

why dont you actually...get your facts straight before you talk?

and second the extended Rp section, is not a spamzone.

far from it.

third.....get your act together.....you come here saying "too many prems"

so..what?

you want to be special?....prem isnt something exclusive...so get off your high horse.

now back to whats important.

i agree with shades....but the rules that are in place in the ERP , are good enough to sustain the post count.


and i understand ghetto's point of view too.

Okay, what's with the total flip out?
I use to Rp like ALOT when I first came here then got over it. What the **** is your problem? Getting all pissed? DId I say something wrong here? All I said was "No, it's a bad idea. It's like cheating, posting in the same thread over and over again."And your post count going sky high. Some people enjoy, not have so many post. Half of my friends here RP and they don't mind that they don't have a high postage. If you want it so badly then go post somewhere else. :/

I'm not trying to be mean or anything but god.

[Chevalier]

Okay, what's with the total flip out?
I use to Rp like ALOT when I first came here then got over it. What the **** is your problem? Getting all pissed? DId I say something wrong here? All I said was "No, it's a bad idea. It's like cheating, posting in the same thread over and over again."And your post count going sky high. Some people enjoy, not have so many post. Half of my friends here RP and they don't mind that they don't have a high postage. If you want it so badly then go post somewhere else. :/

I'm not trying to be mean or anything but god.

sorry for the "flip-out"

but you cant go and say

"i dont want this idea, because im a prem and then we will have too many prems"

but of course, and then you go and add to that saying that there are too many prems

the site is growing....just because there are too many pinks , doesnt mean we have to go

"im prem, and i dont want others to be it."

that just sounds downright selfish.

and there was a thread like this yesterday.



now back to the RP thing.

you can go and compare the ERP section to the spamzone.

the ERP , is a place where you actually have to think.

not just write whatever you want.

that comment made it all seem, like you had no understanding of the ERP section.


and im not really enthusiastic about this.


but if we think about it, the ERP isnt just another spamzone, and of course the normal RP section might get post a lot...meaningless posts.

but the ERP doesnt.


and then again, im not so sure we should get posts for something that isnt completly productive

[P]

Short of the Creativity corner, I would argue that RP extended is one of the most creative, productive places on the site.

For those saying that it will be flooded, I think you are over estimating the capabilities of the newb population.

Look at the Anything else forum. If I had suggested that it should exist, I would have gotten flamed, being told that it would become the spamzone with posts counting. But it's not like that, or at least not as bad as you are making out.

Look at the intro area. That used to get spammed, but now the C&P list is a thing of the past.

I vote we trial it, at the least. Too many things are dismissed due to over reacting to rule breakers and post whores.

[Chevalier]

Short of the Creativity corner, I would argue that RP extended is one of the most creative, productive places on the site.

For those saying that it will be flooded, I think you are over estimating the capabilities of the newb population.

Look at the Anything else forum. If I had suggested that it should exist, I would have gotten flamed, being told that it would become the spamzone with posts counting. But it's not like that, or at least not as bad as you are making out.

Look at the intro area. That used to get spammed, but now the C&P list is a thing of the past.

I vote we trial it, at the least. Too many things are dismissed due to over reacting to rule breakers and post whores.

quoted for thruth.

thinking that everything will go corrupt , isnt exactly the way to go in this case.

[Ghetto]

Short of the Creativity corner, I would argue that RP extended is one of the most creative, productive places on the site.

For those saying that it will be flooded, I think you are over estimating the capabilities of the newb population.

Look at the Anything else forum. If I had suggested that it should exist, I would have gotten flamed, being told that it would become the spamzone with posts counting. But it's not like that, or at least not as bad as you are making out.

Look at the intro area. That used to get spammed, but now the C&P list is a thing of the past.

I vote we trial it, at the least. Too many things are dismissed due to over reacting to rule breakers and post whores.

I must disagree, RPE is no better than the GFX forum and the user portal. You can't find the same concepts there that you can in a regular RPG console game. There is a big difference between RP and Intro. The size. The RP section is pretty big and we'd have tons of members flocking to RPs just to increase thier posts while having fun. Anyone can type ten lines if they tried. It's not fair to all of us who had to actualy work to get prem while you get it through playing games that don't benefit the forum. Honestly, I see this as being to lazy to go take your idea and make a story out of it. If you're as creative as you claim you can pull it off. And if you don't want to make a story, use those 'skills' of yours to type up a thoey on the new KH games, or go post in a discussion thread. Not everything comes to you, sometimes you have to go after what you want.

[Chevalier]

I must disagree, RPE is no better than the GFX forum and the user portal. You can't find the same concepts there that you can in a regular RPG console game. There is a big difference between RP and Intro. The size. The RP section is pretty big and we'd have tons of members flocking to RPs just to increase thier posts while having fun. Anyone can type ten lines if they tried. It's not fair to all of us who had to actualy work to get prem while you get it through playing games that don't benefit the forum. Honestly, I see this as being to lazy to go take your idea and make a story out of it. If you're as creative as you claim you can pull it off. And if you don't want to make a story, use those 'skills' of yours to type up a theory on the new KH games, or go post in a discussion thread. Not everything comes to you, sometimes you have to go after what you want.

doesnt the suggestions section benefit the forum?

and we still dont get posts for it.

but i understand what you mean, im 50/50 on this.

on one hand the ERP is something to have fun...not something that benefits

and in the other the grammar and the long posts that are used in it might merit post count.

[Repliku]

As much as I'd say the Extended Rpg area is definitely not like -most- other RPGs because of its very heavy requirements, in one way it would merit the right to have a post count. After all, people do commit a lot of effort to writing things which can be compared to the writings in the Creativity Corner easily. Some of us write several paragraphs a post. The point with the Extended RPG is that it's meant to be a continuous story like a novel, just with a plot and instead of one person writing it, several people are. In that way it really is not so different from the Creativity Corner.

However, the downside is this why I would say no. The RP section as a whole is meant for entertainment. It is meant so that people can come together and RP whether with short posts and text talk and fanboy/girlism or if it's serious RP with long posts and commitment. There are varied styles of RP so that all of us can find something we want or invent an RP. This is entirely up to us. We do what makes us happy.

A few months ago when we voted to even be able to have an Extended RP area it was because the RPGs that people posted slower in but had much longer posts in were being lost all the time amongst the other RPGs where people post several times a day with one or two liners. It also let the area be distinguished separately so that members would know that if they wanted an RP that would be ran slower and yet have more depth and plotline, that they could go there and try it out. It made it so it was easier for us all in a way. It wasn't to be arrogant or say the RPs there were -better- but it was meant to separate them to give them more of a chance of surviving and to offer a different type of RP to members.

So, I would actually lean more to saying since members create the RPs for enjoyment, including the one I made, I recognize that it is still in the RP section overall and so the same rules apply. I spend my time there and all but even though posts don't count, it's because I want to roleplay. I also play a game in the regular RP section and we've gotten quite lengthy in there too. As much as I could in one sense wish posts would count, I can say that no, in fairness they should not since all RPs are meant for entertainment purposes of members so that we can hang out and have something fun to do. I would not say it does not benefit the site as much as some people are saying because unlike them I feel anything that keeps members coming around is beneficial to the site and the RPs do that. However, the RP Extended was never intended to be a 'we're better than you' sub-forum in the RP area so though more work goes into it, we are willing to do so to RP as we choose so I'd have to say no in the end.

Sorry for the lengthy post but I didn't want to just put the same thing others have with that many people would flock there etc because I believe CtR or whoever went in there could just close RPGs that don't belong there and meet the criteria. It's more of a thing to me that the standards don't justify post count because the whole of the RP section is simply for us to entertain ourselves and hang out together. Regardless of the RP itself, that's just how it is. I don't really see why some people are putting down the idea with such negativity but being in the area people post there because they want to and it's not about post count. Roleplayers are creative and quite a few -do- write in the Creativity Corner.

[P]

I must disagree, RPE is no better than the GFX forum and the user portal. You can't find the same concepts there that you can in a regular RPG console game. There is a big difference between RP and Intro. The size. The RP section is pretty big and we'd have tons of members flocking to RPs just to increase thier posts while having fun. Anyone can type ten lines if they tried. It's not fair to all of us who had to actualy work to get prem while you get it through playing games that don't benefit the forum. Honestly, I see this as being to lazy to go take your idea and make a story out of it. If you're as creative as you claim you can pull it off. And if you don't want to make a story, use those 'skills' of yours to type up a thoey on the new KH games, or go post in a discussion thread. Not everything comes to you, sometimes you have to go after what you want.

The Extended rp section "pretty big"? It has five post in it. Including the sticky.

You talk about hard work. At the moment, do you know what hard work is done for premium? Not every one of the 1001 posts are fanfic chapters, nor are they giant, repliku sized posts. The majority of them are spam comments in the creativity corner, (One of destiny's force's fics had 80 pages of spam! No kidding) spammy KH2 questions, (Riku V.S. Sora) or some other, short method.

Taking that into account, I think that any forum with a mandatory 10 lines qualifies for post counting.

I suppose this thread also raises the question "What does a forum need to have to qualify for posts counting?"

[Crumpet]

In the KH2 forum, I can add to my post count by saying "lol i tink riku iz better than sora" and I walk away merry, one thousandth closer to premium.

In the Extended RP section, there is a minimum of ten lines, spelling and grammar is a necessity and thought is needed.

However, half a fanfic later, I still have nothing to show for it.

If I were to post a fanfic in the creativity corner, I get post count, so Post Count is not only dished out if it is game related.

So why not make RP extended count for posts? Past standards show it is the correct thing to do.

(I considered suggesting all of the RP area, but I think I will tackle the smaller fences first)

I'm going to to say no

it's just it will be too easy to get the posts - i would of been prem by my 3rd month if that happened, and if in the rp extended section why not just in the rp section too. Also rping doesn't relate to anything so that's why its in the spam zone because it has nothing to do with global events or artwork or anything.

[Ghetto]

The Extended rp section "pretty big"? It has five post in it. Including the sticky.And here you are wrong. I said the RP section itself is big. All its frequent posters will flock to RPE or what ever the hell you want to call it just to get a chance at a pink name.

You talk about hard work. At the moment, do you know what hard work is done for premium? Not every one of the 1001 posts are fanfic chapters, nor are they giant, repliku sized posts. The majority of them are spam comments in the creativity corner, (One of destiny's force's fics had 80 pages of spam! No kidding) spammy KH2 questions, (Riku V.S. Sora) or some other, short method. I never said the current areas where posts count are perfect. Far from it. I say no to this idea because I'm trying to help cut down on the problem. I see this as adding to it.

Taking that into account, I think that any forum with a mandatory 10 lines qualifies for post counting.I disagree. Length doesnt matter. It's the fact that the section is purely for entertainment and not beneficial to the forum. I could post a one line thread in the discussion section asking "Do you believe in ghosts?" or make a three paragraph essay about the same topic in the same thread. People would still discuss it either way. Length isn't everything.

I suppose this thread also raises the question "What does a forum need to have to qualify for posts counting?"
I suppose it doesn't, I betting he staff took it into consideration when they made the rules and deemed a places full of spam or purely for entertainment and fun aren't beneficial, and decided they shouldn't count, but you can ask one of them your self.

[Royale]

People would begin to whore the section to get posts, I say no

[P]

And here you are wrong. I said the RP section itself is big. All its frequent posters will flock to RPE or what ever the hell you want to call it just to get a chance at a pink name.

Good. Fine by me. More thought put into RPs. As CTR has already said in there, 10 lines, or answer to her. Are you doubting her ability as a mod?


I never said the current areas where posts count are perfect. Far from it. I say no to this idea because I'm trying to help cut down on the problem. I see this as adding to it.

I honestly think that it will not get to be blown up into the whole of the RP zone like you suggest. Look at general/anything else. Now if I were to have suggested those now on the premise "I want somewhere less spamming to talk general" then I would have been told, "No way, it will be a second, post counting spamzone."


I disagree. Length doesnt matter. It's the fact that the section is purely for entertainment and not beneficial to the forum. I could post a one line thread in the discussion section asking "Do you believe in ghosts?" or make a three paragraph essay about the same topic in the same thread. People would still discuss it either way. Length isn't everything.

If it is a post, it is beneficial to the forum. Creativity Corner is purely for entertainment (The readers and the writers) yet both their posts count, and those who debate in the debate corner also do it out of fun. This is a forum about a video game, it is made to be fun. I don't come on here to do my homework, I come on here to screw about and fritter my time. Anything that helps strengthen the community, for example an activity such as Role Playing, is helping the forum.


I suppose it doesn't, I betting he staff took it into consideration when they made the rules and deemed a places full of spam or purely for entertainment and fun aren't beneficial, and decided they shouldn't count, but you can ask one of them your self.
You're betting. From what you have told me, you know just as little as I do about it. You may be right, but so far you have given nothing to prove it, especially considering that many areas on the forum are for enjoyment, but they still get to be post counting. By your logic, since this whole site entertains me, none of it should post count.

[Ghetto]

Good. Fine by me. More thought put into RPs. As CTR has already said in there, 10 lines, or answer to her. Are you doubting her ability as a mod?
No, but I didn't get in trouble for my half assed posts that were about half the required length. I've done two RPs there so I know what I'm talking about.


I honestly think that it will not get to be blown up into the whole of the RP zone like you suggest. Look at general/anything else. Now if I were to have suggested those now on the premise "I want somewhere less spamming to talk general" then I would have been told, "No way, it will be a second, post counting spamzone."You keep bringing up general discussion but I'm not talking about it. I'm also not talking about the spamzone. Someone else brought up the spamzone and was yelled at saying "RP and spamzone arent the same OMFG" so if they aren't the same why bring it up? And how do you know this wont get whored and have people flocking to get more posts? It happens with everything else.


If it is a post, it is beneficial to the forum. Creativity Corner is purely for entertainment (The readers and the writers) yet both their posts count, and those who debate in the debate corner also do it out of fun. This is a forum about a video game, it is made to be fun. I don't come on here to do my homework, I come on here to screw about and fritter my time. Anything that helps strengthen the community, for example an activity such as Role Playing, is helping the forum. Those are things people can discuss. You don't discuss an RP, you play a game. Why should you be rewarded for that? Also, in the debate corner they discuss intelegent topics and important events. Sure they do it because they enjoy it but it's helpful to understand whats going on in the world. RP does not really strengthen the community. If it did, then why do we have so many people against this suggestion?


You're betting. From what you have told me, you know just as little as I do about it. You may be right, but so far you have given nothing to prove it, especially considering that many areas on the forum are for enjoyment, but they still get to be post counting. By your logic, since this whole site entertains me, none of it should post count.I was statting an opinion, does an opinion need hard facts? No. Many of the areas are enjoyable, but they are not a game why is it that you should be rewarded for playing a game? There is a difference between playing a game purely for fun and doing domething you have a passion for and also enjoy and that others enjoy. For example, graphic art takes work. Sure we enjoy it but it's still work. Then there are those who critique our work, some post one or two paragraphs about how we can better our selves. They don't critique our work purely for fun. They do it to help others out so they can better them selves and thier art. Now tell me, if you were to give a post to one and only one, the choice being a post that was done in a game for fun only or a post where someone took the time to write two paragraphs about the pros and cons of someone's art just to help that person get better, what would you choose?

[O R A N G E]

^ The posts above are well thought out and prove why posts should count here, yet they don't because there's other posts that aren't as thorough and we deal with it. I know it hasn't always been that way but we still do. We can stand it there too. There aren't even that many of those kind of RPG's. :/

-everyone accept this moment as orange's most matching post ever as it will never happen again-

[P]

No, but I didn't get in trouble for my half assed posts that were about half the required length. I've done two RPs there so I know what I'm talking about.
Can I please see these threads? I would be interested to see your definition of half arsed.



You keep bringing up general discussion but I'm not talking about it. I'm also not talking about the spamzone. Someone else brought up the spamzone and was yelled at saying "RP and spamzone arent the same OMFG" so if they aren't the same why bring it up? And how do you know this wont get whored and have people flocking to get more posts? It happens with everything else.

I am bringing up general discussion as an example of something that did not get flocked to because posts count. It is the same scenario. Orderly off-topic (General discussion) gets counting posts, but disorderly off-topic doesn't (Spamzone), yet orderly off-topic is not full of disorder like everyone seems to think it should have (I am applying your logic of 'everything spammable is spammed). I see no reason for RP not to follow the same rules, and work out the same.



Those are things people can discuss. You don't discuss an RP, you play a game. Why should you be rewarded for that? Also, in the debate corner they discuss intelegent topics and important events. Sure they do it because they enjoy it but it's helpful to understand whats going on in the world. RP does not really strengthen the community. If it did, then why do we have so many people against this suggestion?
You write a fanfic with more than one person involved. You ask other members for critique of your character playing skills. Seems like work to me.
The reason there are so many people against it is because they seem to either think it is the same as the rest of RP area, or they believe it will be post whored.
But anyhow, you have already stated that this definition is your opinion, and until you can get evidence behind it, it is not a reason to turn down the suggestion.


I was statting an opinion, does an opinion need hard facts? No. Many of the areas are enjoyable, but they are not a game why is it that you should be rewarded for playing a game? There is a difference between playing a game purely for fun and doing domething you have a passion for and also enjoy and that others enjoy. For example, graphic art takes work. Sure we enjoy it but it's still work. Then there are those who critique our work, some post one or two paragraphs about how we can better our selves. They don't critique our work purely for fun. They do it to help others out so they can better them selves and thier art. Now tell me, if you were to give a post to one and only one, the choice being a post that was done in a game for fun only or a post where someone took the time to write two paragraphs about the pros and cons of someone's art just to help that person get better, what would you choose?
Your opinion needs hard facts when you attempt to use it to overturn a suggestion.

Your question? Is the game post a well thought out one like in the RP Extended, or a spamzone game where it is a single word like Banana?

[Repliku]

Well we've heard both sides of the coin. I do think Ghetto downplays the area a lot because the Extended RPG area is just as creative in every sense as the Creativity Zone material is. Also, no one there can spam since if they aren't role-playing there they can't post in the area or it would be deleted. It's actually more controlled in a way than the Creativity Corner is and they too are making a story.

However, Pika...I have to say that I do see also why it wouldn't be right to do. It's like saying the RPG there is more than other RPGs and well, it's not really. We don't -have- to play in Extended. We choose to and we choose to do the extra work because we want a quality RPG that tells a story and is like a novel. Do we really need a 'reward' to do what it is we want to do? Really, I do see the comparison you are drawing on but in the end there's no way to just say -one- RPG section merits points because it would cause problems and soon others from other RPG areas would be pressed to want the same thing.

We make the area what it is. We all do the work. It's our ingenuity and all but it is also for our imaginations and for something for us to do with each other. I don't really think it's right some people say it's 'just RPG' and does nothing for the site, because it does. However, I don't like really thinking that just because I asked some time ago along with others for an extended RPG section that it meant it should get special privileges other than what we talked over with CtR before which is the rules regarding the area. The whole reason the area was even allowed was because those of us who wanted more storyline RPGs that ran slower with longer plots was because they get lost amidst all the other RPGs where people post tons of times throughout the day. It saved on having to always look for them and also made it so that group of RPGs had some set rules to being allowed in that sub-section. So, originally we who wanted the sub-forum were not out to make posts count and didn't care in the least about that necessarily. We just wanted an actual area for it, just like others had anime sections, cross-overs etc. So, though I see in a sense where you are coming from, I have to disagree that we -need- a post count and that it merits one over the other RPGs. The purpose for the sub-section is what I just said and I think this distracts from it. There are plenty of other areas to get post count. We do this for our own entertainment and I don't think anyone requires awards to role-play. The quality role-play in the way we choose to have it, regardless of the section it is in, with good friends should be enough.

[P]

Well we've heard both sides of the coin. I do think Ghetto downplays the area a lot because the Extended RPG area is just as creative in every sense as the Creativity Zone material is. Also, no one there can spam since if they aren't role-playing there they can't post in the area or it would be deleted. It's actually more controlled in a way than the Creativity Corner is and they too are making a story.

However, Pika...I have to say that I do see also why it wouldn't be right to do. It's like saying the RPG there is more than other RPGs and well, it's not really. We don't -have- to play in Extended. We choose to and we choose to do the extra work because we want a quality RPG that tells a story and is like a novel. Do we really need a 'reward' to do what it is we want to do? Really, I do see the comparison you are drawing on but in the end there's no way to just say -one- RPG section merits points because it would cause problems and soon others from other RPG areas would be pressed to want the same thing.

We make the area what it is. We all do the work. It's our ingenuity and all but it is also for our imaginations and for something for us to do with each other. I don't really think it's right some people say it's 'just RPG' and does nothing for the site, because it does. However, I don't like really thinking that just because I asked some time ago along with others for an extended RPG section that it meant it should get special privileges other than what we talked over with CtR before which is the rules regarding the area. The whole reason the area was even allowed was because those of us who wanted more storyline RPGs that ran slower with longer plots was because they get lost amidst all the other RPGs where people post tons of times throughout the day. It saved on having to always look for them and also made it so that group of RPGs had some set rules to being allowed in that sub-section. So, originally we who wanted the sub-forum were not out to make posts count and didn't care in the least about that necessarily. We just wanted an actual area for it, just like others had anime sections, cross-overs etc. So, though I see in a sense where you are coming from, I have to disagree that we -need- a post count and that it merits one over the other RPGs. The purpose for the sub-section is what I just said and I think this distracts from it. There are plenty of other areas to get post count. We do this for our own entertainment and I don't think anyone requires awards to role-play. The quality role-play in the way we choose to have it, regardless of the section it is in, with good friends should be enough.
My point is there is no way -one- story writing place deserves Post count and the other doesn't. If I can get a post for posting a chapter of my story, I should be able to get a post for posting another story.

You who created the forum did not set out with the sole aim of posts counting. You wanted a haven for those RP. Well I think that now they are in the open, those who post in them deserve the norm, which is to have posts count. It is not a reward so much as a convenience. If that area were to count, I could get my three-per-day aim from there, opposed to spamming in other areas that count now.

It is not required, but neither is anything. We could live without KH-vids. Why not press ahead for more, and try to add features to the site, and flesh it out? It could cause better RP, and we need more of them.

Even if my idea gets denied, I want an explanation of what qualifies a section for Postage.

[Chevalier]

My point is there is no way -one- story writing place deserves Post count and the other doesn't. If I can get a post for posting a chapter of my story, I should be able to get a post for posting another story.

You who created the forum did not set out with the sole aim of posts counting. You wanted a haven for those RP. Well I think that now they are in the open, those who post in them deserve the norm, which is to have posts count. It is not a reward so much as a convenience. If that area were to count, I could get my three-per-day aim from there, opposed to spamming in other areas that count now.

It is not required, but neither is anything. We could live without KH-vids. Why not press ahead for more, and try to add features to the site, and flesh it out? It could cause better RP, and we need more of them.

Even if my idea gets denied, I want an explanation of what qualifies a section for Postage.

so to give you a temporary answer , the criteria used for choosing the areas where post would count.

is not really one thing...a lot of things are in the works, and some of them depend on the point of views of our staff members.


now , its all their saying on the moment the section is made.

but since RP are all treated equally, im not so sure.


anyways., youre saying that the RP is almost like a novel,yes?


then what would happen if you moved your RP to the creativity corner and say that its a story were a few people get to write as opossed to one writer.


of course we can say its a novel/RP., but it leans over to the RP side more.

so either the ERP are novels or RP's.

im not sure....but they are currently in the RP an as such will be treated like RP's.

[Darkandroid]

I can totally understand why you would ask this, with 10 lines mininum it is more words what most people say in other sections. Everyone saying it will be whored assumed we won't monitor it, if a mod or another member of staff keeps an eye on it, then the whoring can be averted.

[P]

so to give you a temporary answer , the criteria used for choosing the areas where post would count.

is not really one thing...a lot of things are in the works, and some of them depend on the point of views of our staff members.


now , its all their saying on the moment the section is made.

but since RP are all treated equally, im not so sure.


anyways., youre saying that the RP is almost like a novel,yes?


then what would happen if you moved your RP to the creativity corner and say that its a story were a few people get to write as opossed to one writer.


of course we can say its a novel/RP., but it leans over to the RP side more.

so either the ERP are novels or RP's.

im not sure....but they are currently in the RP an as such will be treated like RP's.

Good logic, but you have an axiom that may not hold up.

All RPs are most certainly not treated equally. If I spam one line posts in the Extended RP section, I will have them deleted. There are labour requirements to join in an RP like this, whilst I can join another RP in fantasy with less work.

But as for your argument, I can see what you are getting at, although I disagree. I would not post an RP in the Creativity corner, because it would be commented on. (Assuming it was good, and not crap. Big assumption.) This would disrupt the story pace. It would not help to have to trawl through a page of comments to find another writer's post.
But let's say comments were prohibited.

So from your post, I gather if RP extended was to be placed in the Creativity Corner, with the title "Multi-man-Fanfiction!" (I've been playing Super smash bros) then it would be acceptable to be a post counting area? If that is what it takes, I suppose that can be suggested.

Your comments have been noted.

Finally, DA! I have someone on my side! This brings the grand total of supporters up to three! You, Chervailer (I think, at least) and I, Pika_power. I don't even want to start tallying the naysayers.

[Chevalier]

Good logic, but you have an axiom that may not hold up.

All RPs are most certainly not treated equally. If I spam one line posts in the Extended RP section, I will have them deleted. There are labour requirements to join in an RP like this, whilst I can join another RP in fantasy with less work.

But as for your argument, I can see what you are getting at, although I disagree. I would not post an RP in the Creativity corner, because it would be commented on. (Assuming it was good, and not crap. Big assumption.) This would disrupt the story pace. It would not help to have to trawl through a page of comments to find another writer's post.
But let's say comments were prohibited.

So from your post, I gather if RP extended was to be placed in the Creativity Corner, with the title "Multi-man-Fanfiction!" (I've been playing Super smash bros) then it would be acceptable to be a post counting area? If that is what it takes, I suppose that can be suggested.

Your comments have been noted.

Finally, DA! I have someone on my side! This brings the grand total of supporters up to three! You, Chervailer (I think, at least) and I, Pika_power. I don't even want to start tallying the naysayers.

well, one thing we have to point out , is the fact that since ERP are so few, and at the moment i think there's only one thats still alive(if im not mistaken)

so keeping the ERP area clean wouldnt be much of a problem.

[Shiki]

Alright I say no. Reason?

Everyone else says it will be whored and it will. Face the fact pika, it most likely won't be accepted seeing that there are many many many people here that would jump at the chance to get posts. I am pointing the finger at the newbies and of course other members too. Besides, do you want a section full of good long thoughtful posts or small not thought of posts? Believe me, it sounds better without letting the posts count.

Besides, the RP section doesn't even contribute to things such as KH or other things. It's all made up. Imaginary. Never gonna happen.


Case closed.

[Repliku]

I'm not saying I'm totally against it. I'm just saying that it is not initially what the RPG Extended was meant for. The reason we asked for the section was so that we could keep track of RPGs where we post several lines once per day and write like novels instead of posting 10 times per day or more in the faster running RPGs that only post one or two lines. The RPG is just different and gets lost amidst the other types.

Having said that, I do see what you are getting at. I'm just not sure how to make it fair considering it is -still- an RPG and not just writing stories which get critiqued. We obviously don't want the RPG critiqued or we'd be bothered constantly with replies that don't matter to the RP itself and would be terribly disruptive. I also see the problem mentioned of what counts as posts and what does not. However, somewhere a line has to be drawn and Extended RPG is just another version of a RPG in most people's eyes. They run a lot slower with more required lines to write but it's still for our personal enjoyment and we don't want praise or ridicule posts etc. We just want to play and do our thing. That's basically where the line has to be at this time unless something changes.

[clawtooth35]

Well for one, people go to GFX to get CnC and get better, make clans, and do task to improve thier skills. I don't know much about the creativity corner but I know people write poems and songs to express them selves and let people comment on it. Both can actualy be taken into the real world and there are jobs based around that. I know quite a few people who strive to be Graphic Designers. I've never heard of a pro-role playing getting paid.


Well you see, thats the point. It's a game. It's not helping the forum. This is a kingdom hearts forum and yes, there are people whoring posts and your suggestion will only add to it. The RPs don't benefit the forum. This is a KH forum, so KH is the main focus. There will be whores and txt tlkers no matter what. The RP section is full of them.


I made an RP in there a while back and it got to around 5-7 pages before we all quit. Most of my posts there were about 4-5 lines. I'm pretty sure the thread is gone now but it sure as hell took them a while. But the length isn't my point, it's the fact that your trying to get rewarded for playing a game. Your RP is helping us. If you can write so much about a fictional character click a few buttons and go to the Creativity Corner.
There will always be someone who breaks the rules and not all rule breakers are caught. Rules were made to be broken.

Role Playing is like acting although it is slightly harder because there's no script. you have to get inside the head of the person who is mostly made by someone else and show how they react in different situations. ever seen Whose Line is it Anyway, it's like that. You are given a scene and then you have to do it. No script no time to reherse. And the nature of extended means that you are building team skills as well so you are working with others towards a better direction of story. It's like being in an Orchestra, each player plays their own part, say the violin. Then they make a sound with the Strings, the Violin IIs the Violas, the 'Cellos and the Double basses. Sometimes they also go off with the flutes or Clarinets. And then all of those sections make a sound of the whole orchestra in unison with everyone watching the conductore all of the time for the speed and the expression. In this sense, the story is the conductor. That is why extended is harder. usually in a regualr rp there are maybe what 3 scenes going on at once but in the extended one that I'm in at the moment each character is important, each thread of story and each group of people is important to the progression towards the story as a whole.

By the way rules weren't made to be broken, rules were made so that we know we're breaking them.

[daxma]

If the staff allowed those posts to count members would be complaining that people that post there are getting unfair posts on their counter and they would ask the staff to allow all the parts of the RPG sub forum's posts to count and that wouldn't be right.I want to gain premium with relevent posts that actually mean something and not just meaningless posts.

[P]

No, just RP extended. Why would we have to allow the rest? If you feel that people who posts ten lines + don't deserve a post count, but people who post one line comments on things in the creativity corner do, you have a strange perspective on effort. I will fight for the rest of the forums when the rest of the forums post developed posts beyond one line.

You talk about things meaning stuff, but I see nothing about what counts as meaning. If it is effort, I again point you towards the creativity corner, and its 80 pages of spam on some threads. If it is KH related, then I find it sad that we need to bribe people to write comments on kingdom hearts. If we are rewarding those who post stories in the Creativity corner, we should reward those who do the same thing, but in harmony with others. No one says "Oh, that Pianist is less skilled that that one, because that other one plays solo, but this one needs other people to play with." It is not logically sound.

[SӓiḺØr N.Ø.I.$.E]

In the KH2 forum, I can add to my post count by saying "lol i tink riku iz better than sora" and I walk away merry, one thousandth closer to premium.
In the Extended RP section, there is a minimum of ten lines, spelling and grammar is a necessity and thought is needed.

However, half a fanfic later, I still have nothing to show for it.

If I were to post a fanfic in the creativity corner, I get post count, so Post Count is not only dished out if it is game related.

So why not make RP extended count for posts? Past standards show it is the correct thing to do.

(I considered suggesting all of the RP area, but I think I will tackle the smaller fences first)

i agree i think that they should be let...because techinaly they DO post more than a

"lolz i love riku he iz my hero"

in a thread that has nothing to do with Riku

rock on Pika!

[Xegreny]

Oh god no.

While serious RPers (Like myself, Cupcake, and many other people I could mention), would move over to the extended area and get their credit, so would all the.. lesser RPers.

Besides. Do you have any idea how hard it is to consistantly come up with 10 lines? -_-

In the beginning sure, you've got a lot to type, with your characters meeting for the first time, and their first challenges and blah blah blah.... fast forward to when your 100, 200, 300+ pages into the RP, can you really keep up typing 10 lines for EVERY post? That's why the Extended RP section is so little used compared to the regular one as it is now. Open it up for posts to count and that'd smash the purpose of that particular section as the non serious people come flooding in. D:

Not to mention all the fights this would cause. Suddenly people would be judged by the staff to see if their posts were "good enough" to be in the Extended Section. :X

EDIT: I just finished readin' the whole thread. You do NOT need a 'good' RP to be creative. Myself and several other members have been all posting in one RP for a long time now. Normally we post below 10 lines. We just have fun. That's what the RP section is for.

Jeez. This entire idea sounds more and more elitist every second. x_x

[P]

Exactly. If it is so hard to come up with ten lines, then surely it shows you are deserving of a post count?

You post in one RP for a long time and just have fun. There is nothing wrong with that. I do that too. My point is that those who go the extra mile and do type out ten lines deserve to get a post count.

[Repliku]

That's exactly my point, Xegreny. To want more in -one- area of the RPG section and have posts counted there sounds elitist indeed. The section was made to find longer RPs with deep storylines easier because people don't post in them but once or twice a day and have less members. So in the end, they were getting lost with the other RPs that post faster. That is the only reason why we asked for the section in the first place and I don't think it merits a post count because it is -still- an RP. RPs are -better- to the people who use them. Certainly those who participate in certain RPs are going to feel they are better than other RPs they don't bother with, whatever type of RP it is.

So it comes down to your preference if you like the types of RPs offered or not. None are more superior from an outside point of view because they are all still RPs. The member decides what he/she likes more. There is NO fair way to say 'your RP type sucks so no points for you' while patting another group of RPGs on the back. It simply is not right. It is just not going to happen.

As for
n the KH2 forum, I can add to my post count by saying "lol i tink riku iz better than sora" and I walk away merry, one thousandth closer to premium.

Ok...I apologize for the tiny rant here. First off, most posts like that I have gone through and personally deleted and threads that are spam get closed, deleted or moved. I'm sure quite a few people noticed that and threads that are open and commonly used get gone through daily. Also, I will point out to you that in the KH section, premiums and non-premiums alike have PM'd me to announce spam in a section, so obviously points aren't their greatest concern and they too would seemingly like the area to be clean of spam because they actually want to chat about the games etc. I think you are being too hard on members, Pika and really I am not seeing these threads and if they do exist anymore and I haven't gotten to them, why are you bringing them up and not PM'ing me or another Mod or Admin? Others do it. The section stays clean with effort from staff yes, but also some members care about the quality too. Otherwise staff wouldn't bother cleaning it up, would we? The whole forum would be a Spam Zone.

[Xegreny]

Exactly. If it is so hard to come up with ten lines, then surely it shows you are deserving of a post count?

You post in one RP for a long time and just have fun. There is nothing wrong with that. I do that too. My point is that those who go the extra mile and do type out ten lines deserve to get a post count.

Not particularly. It just proves that you can type more than other people. If I really wanted to, I could type out all my posts to make them 10 lines long. But I don't want to. Does that mean because even though I am capable, but choose not to do so and avoid the extended area that I should be undeserving of a post count?

When people are presented with an option to post in the normal section and get nothing, or post in the Extended section and get more posts added onto their total count, their obviously going to choose the Extended. They'd go in, and get their posts/threads deleted by Moderators/Administrators/Staff. This could probably bother them if they didn't know the rules. They might even feel singled out. (It's happened before. >_>)

Not only does this seem elitist, it'd cause Drama. Which, is bad. <_>

Besides. It's only a post count. Does it REALLY matter that much?

[Xioayugoth]

Why exactly do posts on RPs not count here...? I think the spam zone having no post count is clearly needed, but some of the RPs on here can scare me, they're so deep. Hence why I stay out of the deep ones.
And, hey, if posts counted on RPs, I'd have a heck of a lot more posts right now.

[Zeonark]

Meh, I say activate 'em there :P

They aren't counted because 1,000,000,000 Post are usually made there. Hence why if that happened, High chance EVERY member who RPs would be a Prem right now.

I wouldn't mind them counting there though.

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[Sexy Sheva]

I actually disagree on this >:

i RP all the time because I enjoy it, and if they started counting posts, then the RP's would be overflowed with people only in it for the posts, which wouldn't be as much fun anymore ;_;

i would agree but i know they'll get post whored all the time, and it's something i rather enjoy and get in real depth with...

There's always the Creativity corner <3

[Xioayugoth]

Good point... There'd probably just be a ton of people spamming/messing up some of the RPs just to get posts...

[Sexy Sheva]

Good point... There'd probably just be a ton of people spamming/messing up some of the RPs just to get posts...

And that would make the cuppycake sad D:


BUT

I don't see why not in the Extended section, for the more serious RP players... Those posts are TEN LINES LONG and they must be descriptive and such. It can only be based on something that could happen also

[Repliku]

RP posts don't count because RP is clearly done for enjoyment. There are some RPs that are surely done very well in which people write paragraphs etc, but there are others where players have much shorter posts etc. There are different preferences to RP and well, that is solely up to the game creators and the players. It would be kind of wrong for us to pick and choose which RPs deserve 'more credit' as far as post count goes because that's rather preferential treatment. So posts don't count on the whole and the section is just there so that people can enjoy an RP experience and have the option of some fun times.

Hope that explains why the posts do not count and won't in the RP section. Basically, the section exists not for the good of the board but instead for a fun option for members to have. So hopefully, you'll enjoy the RPs here as there are some really great ones. Posts don't count but you can post in other areas of the forums for that. Just make sure you read the rules for those sections.

[The Joker]

Suggestions:

Have a member of the moment thing to help some members get known better. I'm not talking about something like the "Welcome to our newest member" thing. I'm talkign about something that does it randomly, and not just tp the newest member. Maybe put it on a page diffrent from the one with the newest member thing.

Have people who have the automatic job of welcoming people that way no one feels unwelcome.


Let posts in the RP zone count. I'm, pretty sure that this has been suggested before, but now that it has the rule that states: "there is now a 20-word minimum for all posts." I feel post should count.

The KH Section has a rule that states "6. Six words per post. (It's also the 6th rule, conveniently) This was introduced sometime ago, but has been enforced infrequently. If members are caught not posting six or more words, staff will most likely delete the post with a message. If you continue to do it a warning will be issued for spamming. Posts count here, so make the post worth it. On the same note, do not copy and paste from someone else's post and put less than 6 words in your own. Their post will not count as words you can type yourself."

Now, if you have to make 20 words in the Roleplaying Arena, and only six in the KH Section per post, shouldn't post count? You could say members break this 20 worde a post rule in the Roleplaying Areena, but members do it in the KH sections also, I think, and there posts still count. You could say you try to enforce this rule in the KH Section, but will every post be found? Also, if every post is found that is marked spam, why can't you do that for the Roleplaying Arena? You could say roleplaying is done for fun and therefore it shouldn't count, but Creativity Corner is sometimes done for fun, I think, and it still counts.

[Cariad]

You have a good point there, but think of the thousands upon thousands of posts in the RP section; you honestly think all of them should have gone towards your post count? True, the 20 word minimum has been introduced to encourage creativity but that doesnt mean people still wont spam in there.

The creativity corner can be sometimes just for fun, but posts are usually much longer than in the average RP post, so most feel the post count is worthy there.

Oh, and you should explain your "member of the moment" thing more clearly.

New members are encouraged to post a new arrivals thread and the majority of them get atleast one reply so I dont think new members feeling unwelcome is an issue.

[The Joker]

You have a good point there, but think of the thousands upon thousands of posts in the RP section; you honestly think all of them should have gone towards your post count? True, the 20 word minimum has been introduced to encourage creativity but that doesnt mean people still wont spam in there.

The creativity corner can be sometimes just for fun, but posts are usually much longer than in the average RP post, so most feel the post count is worthy there.

Oh, and you should explain your "member of the moment" thing more clearly.

New members are encouraged to post a new arrivals thread and the majority of them get atleast one reply so I dont think new members feeling unwelcome is an issue.

I've seen the "member of the moment" thing done on another site. It could have a diffrent name here, to give it some originality if that becomes a issue.

This "member of the moment" thing was no more then a box that appeared on a page, had your username, join date, post count, and avatar on it. Above all this was "Member of the Moment" text. It also linked to your profile, I believe. Perhaps it could be added upon it a optionin the box to befriend the member or PM them, also? It helped members get to know each other better if they forgot to post a introductury thread or something, and perhaps gets them better known if there introduction thread was not widely seen and they stuck to only certain sections and barely/never went out of them. Might help people meet each other easier.

Does that clear up any confusion about it?

[Cariad]

I've seen the "member of the moment" thing done on another site. It could have a diffrent name here, to give it some originality if that becomes a issue.

This "member of the moment" thing was no more then a box that appeared on a page, had your username, join date, post count, and avatar on it. Above all this was "Member of the Moment" text. It also linked to your profile, I believe. Perhaps it could be added upon it a optionin the box to befriend the member or PM them, also? It helped members get to know each other better if they forgot to post a introductury thread or something, and perhaps gets them better known if there introduction thread was not widely seen and they stuck to only certain sections and barely/never went out of them. Might help people meet each other easier.

Does that clear up any confusion about it?


How would the member of the moment be chosen?

It couldnt be random, after all, there are hundreds of members who sign up but are never active.

[The Joker]

How would the member of the moment be chosen?

It couldnt be random, after all, there are hundreds of members who sign up but are never active.

Have a post requirment of a 100 post and make it a privilage? Perhaps lessen the post requirment I stated? Perhaps PM a staff member and they can add your name to a list for it? Make it members that have been active that month/week/day? That way if they sign up and decide to get inactive, there name will only be on there for a month/week/day? If they could make it where a name could only show up one time for you a day, then the inactive/active member could only show up that once to give everybody a fair chance?

[The Other Side]

I like the idea of posts counting in the RP section but then again...look at me. I'm one of the biggest RPers on this site. I'd easily get around 7000 extra posts or something. If there was a way to make RP posts count as...I dunno...1/20th of a post so every 20 counts as a post, then it'd probably be fair but I don't think it can be done. I dunno...Or Extended RP section posts should count. *Shrugs* It's not always fair to see people boost their post counts by spamming the crap out of threads when one of MY RP posts...well, you could tell I put more thought into two sentences than some people do when the post meaningless things in threads and become premium with those posts. >>;

The other ideas...eh...I can't say much about it. <<

[Repliku]

First idea.. I believe we have the Introduce Yourself area for the purpose that people can come in who are new and get to meet others. We also have a weekly questioning of members so that others can harass them for the week. I think making an area for a welcoming area on top of Introduce Yourself which is a welcoming area, kind of is redundant. Not seeing the real need for this. Another way new people can get to be known is through forum families or to join Groups. So there seem to be plenty of options already.

The post counting in RP has been brought up time and again and been denied. It's been explained that the KH section is actually what the site is themed about and that other areas are where things go that are of a more serious nature and/or are support. RP is a voluntary thing, whether people post 4 words or 400. It's your creativity and allows you to have an area to RP in.

So, as has been said before, and will be said yet again... I'm sorry, but I don't see this happening. No one should need posts counting to do RP as it is a fun activity and an extra thing to do. I do realize there are some pretty creative people in the RP section, but in the sections where posts do count they are monitored far more than the RP section for content. It's not really that fair for staff to go in and judge what is fair to count as posts versus what others do in the RP section because then we are seriously getting darn near elitist. In the end, if you want to RP with great detail or post 3 words, it's still the same thing.. RP. If you feel a post is spam in one of the other areas where posts count, you are more than welcome to help the area stay clean by PM'ing a Mod of the section, S.Mod or Admin and we will be glad to get to the spam posts.