Bush isn't SOOOO Bad of a President...

[Advent]

Let's face it- without oil, we are royally boned, so there's a good thing he fought for. And though I'm against this war, I'll admit that us backing down would send a green light message for Al-Quaeda. So even though he's made some bad decisions, and that during his terms the economy has dropped noticeably, he's had a few good calls.

[Donaut]

Yeah, but think about it. Would you rather have a person who only screwed a secretary, or a person who screwed our whole nation?

[Stardust]

Yeah, but think about it. Would you rather have a person who only screwed a secretary, or a person who screwed our whole nation?

I lol'd. XDD

I really have decided not to express my opinion on Bush anymore since I might explode >.>;. But he's probably not the WORST President we've had, and I suppose he has made a few good choices, but in my opinion (here I go...), most of what he's done has been the wrong thing to do, and a few rights won't fix all of his wrongs...He just needs a slight reality check >>;.

[John Clay Rice]

Let's face it- without oil, we are royally boned, so there's a good thing he fought for. And though I'm against this war, I'll admit that us backing down would send a green light message for Al-Quaeda. So even though he's made some bad decisions, and that during his terms the economy has dropped noticeably, he's had a few good calls.
I agree. And the "Bush lied" thing even if we haven't found it, he made a mistake and thought it was real. Maybe it's still out there
Yeah, but think about it. Would you rather have a person who only screwed a secretary, or a person who screwed our whole nation?
I'd rather have a President that is honest with the public and with God and not break 2 of the Ten Commandments. And against killing unborn babies. Jesus is against those things Clinton did and his oponions. I know Clinton is human and made a mistake but so is Bush.

[Advent]

I lol'd. XDD

I really have decided not to express my opinion on Bush anymore since I might explode >.>;. But he's probably not the WORST President we've had, and I suppose he has made a few good choices, but in my opinion (here I go...), most of what he's done has been the wrong thing to do, and a few rights won't fix all of his wrongs...He just needs a slight reality check >>;.

Yeah, but think about it. Would you rather have a person who only screwed a secretary, or a person who screwed our whole nation?

But how has he screwed our nation? True- he had some bad calls and he isn't the sharpest guy ever, but he has made some crucial decisions for this nation that we really needed. I don't think the situation could be much less terrible for us regardless who was president during 9/11 and so forth.

[.Kairi.]

IMO, Bush has done some good things. But I still dont know what to think of him, cause sometimes he doesnt do anything good...

[Advent]

IMO, Bush has done some good things. But I still dont know what to think of him, cause sometimes he doesnt do anything good...

That basically summarizes his presidential career. He has had his ups (his integrity and courage in the U.N.) and his downs (wrongly stating the U.S. had won the war in Iraq, and just how the war in general has been going).

[Darkwatch]

Let's face it- without oil, we are royally boned, so there's a good thing he fought for. And though I'm against this war, I'll admit that us backing down would send a green light message for Al-Quaeda. So even though he's made some bad decisions, and that during his terms the economy has dropped noticeably, he's had a few good calls.1. You posted in the wrong forum. This belongs in debate.

2. He's horrible. The moral and political disposition of President Bush is staggering. If you don't know his history, then please don't call him a good president sheerly on his actions. His grandfather is the one who helped press for WW2, and his intimate ties to the international bankers (whom funded German planes; mainly Rockefeller standard oil) gave WW2 such a long track. Also, our current president ALSO has intimate ties to the bankers. And guess what? He's part of the reason we're fighting this "war". It's not meant to be won, but sustained.

3. Alquaeda(sp?) is not our enemy; while that may be the superficial view, they are not necessarily our 'enemy'. They are merely just the people we'ree 'warring' against.

4. What good calls has he EVER had? If you can give me a good call he made for the entire nation, that was constitutional, I will not bother posting here. lol

[Mirai]

I agree. And the "Bush lied" thing even if we haven't found it, he made a mistake and thought it was real. Maybe it's still out there

I'd rather have a President that is honest with the public and with God and not break 2 of the Ten Commandments. And against killing unborn babies. Jesus is against those things Clinton did and his oponions. I know Clinton is human and made a mistake but so is Bush.

The 10C's have nothing to do with our government. And besides, the Foudning Fathers broke the FIRST Commandment when they allowed complete religious freedom.

Here's the Ten Commandments:

1) Thou shalt have no other gods before me - I'm pretty sure that no omnibenevolent being would throw someone in a pit of fire all eternity to writhe and scream in the greatest pain just because he has a different opinion.
2) Thou shalt not make for thyself an idol - Actors and singers. 'Nuff said.
3) Thou shalt not make wrongful use of the name of thy God - I can guarantee you that most Americans have said "Oh my God."
4) Remember the Sabbath and keep it holy - yet, Sabbath is NOW on Sunday! Plus, most people work on Sunday.
5) Honor thy Father and Mother - Unless your father happens to be an alcoholic drunk that beats you.
6) Thou shalt not murder - Catholics in the Dark Ages must've read this as "Thou shalt not kill, unless the victim happens to worship a different invisible man than you." But, other than that, agreed.
7) Thou shalt not commit adultery - Agreed.
8) Thou shalt not steal - Agreed.
9) Thou shalt not bear false witness - Agred unless it saves the lives of many.
10) Thou shalt not covet thy neighbor's house - Nnnno. Envy is completely natural.

I don't even WANT to list the ignored rules in Leviticus and Deuteronomy!

BUt, on-topic, he's had his ups and downs... mostly downs.

[Very Berry]

Yeah, but think about it. Would you rather have a person who only screwed a secretary, or a person who screwed our whole nation?

yeah good point and he may have done mistakes but with it he brought the country down 2 so it stil makes him bad and a few good things can't rly make up 4 it

[Advent]

I never called him a good president so much as I called him a not-as-bad-as-he's-cracked-up-to-be president. Though I will concede- you know much more about politics than I do, Darkwatch.

[Darkandroid]

I can not take a president seriously when they can't say big words properly. >_>

He made some stupid choices as did Blair for also joining the war. But Blair ran the UK properly and beyond Iraq did a very good job with the country.

While Bush left the Kyoto agreement all because he loves his oil. And many other things you have all mentioned

[Darkwatch]

I never called him a good president so much as I called him a not-as-bad-as-he's-cracked-up-to-be president. Though I will concede- you know much more about politics than I do, Darkwatch.Well, I was just taking the assumption you implied he was good (in some ways). I apologize. xD

I just highly dislike Bush... sorry if I kinda jumped there.

[Advent]

Well, I was just taking the assumption you implied he was good (in some ways). I apologize. xD

I just highly dislike Bush... sorry if I kinda jumped there.

No apology needed- we're all open-minded here.

[Donaut]

But how has he screwed our nation? True- he had some bad calls and he isn't the sharpest guy ever, but he has made some crucial decisions for this nation that we really needed. I don't think the situation could be much less terrible for us regardless who was president during 9/11 and so forth.

Okay, here's my opinion. He took us into a war that was unnecessary. They did what they were supposed to do, so why are they still there? Adding to the fact that he just vetoed a bill, so he's not allowing children life insurance. But he's wanting to add more than 10 billion dollars into the war by the end of January. If that isn't a bad president who is just wanting to keep the fight raging, then I don't know what is. -_-

[Advent]

Okay, here's my opinion. He took us into a war that was unnecessary. They did what they were supposed to do, so why are they still there? Adding to the fact that he just vetoed a bill, so he's not allowing children life insurance. But he's wanting to add more than 10 billion dollars into the war by the end of January. If that isn't a bad president who is just wanting to keep the fight raging, then I don't know what is. -_-

Unfortunately, staying in the war isn't too bad of a decision (though I really don't like it) in regards to our "reputation" in the eyes of the terrorists. And that bill for free health insurance would cost the tax payers A FORTUNE. And as a middle-class American, taxes are high enough.

[Spitfire]

Let's face it- without oil, we are royally boned, so there's a good thing he fought for. And though I'm against this war, I'll admit that us backing down would send a green light message for Al-Quaeda. So even though he's made some bad decisions, and that during his terms the economy has dropped noticeably, he's had a few good calls.

You stated one call, and that was a bad call. Oil sucks I hate it, it ruins society. I don't care how much I rely on it if I could live without I would. People are up in arms about oil and for what killing in the name of a liquid. The U.S. staged a military coup to get oil from chilie back in the day, to get oil that belonged to chilie we over threw teh gov't. There is nothing but death and polution that stems from oil.

And Al-Quaeda can suck it. Once again we gave chemical weapons to go to war with Iran and look where that got us. They turned our weapons on us. Now we can't blame that part on bush I understand, but really the drop in the economy and the rise in unemployment. The billions of dollars spent on a pointless war, I don't think he is good at all.

[MasterNightmare]

well, bush said that there would be hydrogen cars on the roads, do you see any? no...basically, all canidates LIE to get presidency..and he chose economy over slowing down global warming... some people...the love of money is the root of all evil....i cannot believe that, losing some economy (already lost some) was more important to him than saving the earth, the ONLY inhabitable planet in the universe... i wanna hit him so hard >.< *tries to stop himself from wanting to* ...eh...but no, a bad president...

[Donaut]

Unfortunately, staying in the war isn't too bad of a decision (though I really don't like it) in regards to our "reputation" in the eyes of the terrorists. And that bill for free health insurance would cost the tax payers A FORTUNE. And as a middle-class American, taxes are high enough.

The house of representatives even stated that the health insurance would cost way less than what we're supporting the war for.

[8730]

George Bush as I have said before shouldn't have followed in his father's footsteps. He really doesn't seem suited to be president. Presidents are supposed to be charismatic and inspiring, i see him as neither -____-.

His family supported the Bin Laden family, the supposed 'enemy'. They even flew them out of the country >_>. He ran several oil companies that all folded before becoming president (all paid for by his father).

Also, you seem to be assuming that he made all of these decisions on his own. He is not a dictator (although I'm sure he wouldn't mind being one >_>), he is advised as to what decisions to make. He probably rarely makes decisions on his own, and the options he is given are not created by him.

As for the war, although Saddam may have seemed to be a terrible person, he was a pretty good leader really. He stopped the different sides from ripping each other apart and now that he has been removed the country is falling apart and our troops are taking the brunt of it.
I also think that going in for the oil was just selfish, if they were going to war they could at least have been honest. They might have actually got some support and respect then.

As for dragging the UK into the war............no comment >_>.

His track record on climate change has also been pretty poor. Even if it is not as bad as scientists first predicted something still needed to be done. He showed his opinion on the survival of the Earth when he refused to join the Kyoto protocol
Sigh, as per usual I know there is more I want to say but cannot think of what it is.

[Advent]

well, bush said that there would be hydrogen cars on the roads, do you see any? no...basically, all canidates LIE to get presidency..and he chose economy over slowing down global warming... some people...the love of money is the root of all evil....i cannot believe that, losing some economy (already lost some) was more important to him than saving the earth, the ONLY inhabitable planet in the universe... i wanna hit him so hard >.< *tries to stop himself from wanting to* ...eh...but no, a bad president...

You can't say that earth is the only inhabitable planet in the universe, considering how little of it we know of. Not to mention that Mars is theorized to have frozen water beneath the surface.

[Mirai]

\earth, the ONLY inhabitable planet in the universe... i wanna hit him so hard >.< *tries to stop himself from wanting to* ...eh...but no, a bad president...

Ummm... I know this isn't the place but:

You do realize that the universe is infinitely large, and therefore has trillions of galaxies and even more planets, correct? (http://youtube.com/watch?v=GCbWd31mfvQ) There are currently over 200 known extrasolar planets. Most are very close and in this side of the galaxy. That'd be about 500 planets per galaxy, times 1,000,000,000,000 galaxies and that equates to... 5e+17 planets in the seeable universe alone... That's 5 with 17 0's behind it. The odds are we are not alone. I doubt aliens come to Earth, though.

[8730]

Ummm... I know this isn't the place but:

You do realize that the universe is infinitely large, and therefore has trillions of galaxies and even more planets, correct? (http://youtube.com/watch?v=GCbWd31mfvQ) There are currently over 200 known extrasolar planets. Most are very close and in this side of the galaxy. That'd be about 500 planets per galaxy, times 1,000,000,000,000 galaxies and that equates to... 5e+17 planets in the seeable universe alone... That's 5 with 17 0's behind it. The odds are we are not alone. I doubt aliens come to Earth, though.
I think you should read up on the Fermi Paradox (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fermi_paradox), you should find it interesting ^^

Yes, the chance of there not being another inhabitable planet in the universe is so remote there is more chance of me suffering a Total Existance Failure *disappears* ugh -____-.

[Darkandroid]

*Sigh*

I saw another Bush video. He just acts like an idiot. In a press conference he mentioned pig roast over 5 times. >_> And later on attempted to rub the German's presidents back (who is female) apart from the fact that german's don't like to be touched she was one of the only female world leaders there....you do the math.

The things he does is just shocking.

Edit: And in another conference he said Intersexual relations.....when he was ment to say intersectional or something like that.

[Mirai]

*Sigh*

I saw another Bush video. He just acts like an idiot. In a press conference he mentioned pig roast over 5 times. >_> And later on attempted to rub the German's presidents back (who is female) apart from the fact that german's don't like to be touched she was one of the only female world leaders there....you do the math.

The things he does is just shocking.

Edit: And in another conference he said Intersexual relations.....when he was ment to say intersectional or something like that.

... Oh God. America is screwed.

^ Yeah, I'm aware of the Fermi Paradox. I kind of agree with it, at least in this galaxy. Though elsewhere, probably.

EDIT: Darkandroid-sama, where are those videos?

[FUZZY SWEATER]

i think bush is an *** for even saying the date the troops were coming home
he should have kept it private so the iraqs wouldnt find out

[Darkandroid]

Mirai - Here you go. This is not the video I saw as it was on TV, but it's close enough.

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=IBc4FqqSMJw

And here is another -

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=4H_pCd6C_CI

[Mirai]

Mirai - Here you go. This is not the video I saw as it was on TV, but it's close enough.

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=IBc4FqqSMJw

And here is another -

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=4H_pCd6C_CI

Thank you, Darkandroid-sama.

[O R A N G E]

i think bush is an *** for even saying the date the troops were coming home
he should have kept it private so the iraqs wouldnt find out

....Bush is an *** for plenty other of reasons.

He's an idiot. A complete idiot.

I have a countdown calender until he is out of office. In 2004, he made a speech stating that the World Trade Centers were attacked on September fourth, 2001...

I've got plenty more arguments about this guy, but seeing as the entire thread is basically blasting him, I don't see them needed.

>.<

[Repliku]

Bush and Clinton both sucked. Both lied and Hillary is an even bigger liar.

Clinton and Hillary were both involved in a scandal where people were murdered and others were imprisoned but not those two. It's called Whitewater and people should learn about it and get familiar with it. Sadly, the controversy of Bill's stupid relationships seemed more important than investigating a serious corporate issue of fraud where it led to deaths. I am very disappointed because I can see Bill might not have been as involved, but Hillary was. I suppose the 'heart ache' of her man cheating on her made people feel bad so she was never charged and is now a senator in my state and going for the presidency. Clinton also ordered a strike on civilian targets in Iraq rather than hitting military ones. He also cut our military back a lot and though it saved some money, if those places had been kept operational better, things wouldn't have been so expensive with this whole thing either.

Bush should have gone to war, but waited on Iraq and dealt with Al Quaeda and the Taliban scenario. They are -still- fighting in Afghanistan and until we could actually verify what Saddam was doing, we should have stuck to one place and cleaned it up before even considering moving on. I see Bush as a good ol' boy that took things too far. I am annoyed at the cowboy politics done in the name of God etc and we are not justified anymore than those wacky zealots are over there who are willing to behead civilians because they are cowards. Bush made us look like idiots and I am glad to see that there are people in this country and Canada who are looking into producing ethanol from wood chips and other materials than just corn so that perhaps we can become less dependent on oil. Oil companies are very corrupt and it would be nice to move away from them, but that won't happen with the Bush's in power.

So in the end, I wish we would have no more Bushes or Clintons running for office ever. They've both ignored clear signs that we were in for some harsher terms, had funding for their campaigns from sources they should not have, and just led this country into the crapper, despite the minimal good I've seen come from either. What we really need, in my thoughts, is to move away from the traditional old ways and thoughts and start getting some people in there with ambition. Of course, having said this, I realize the presidents are only responsible for so much and that their people on staff, the cabinet, senators etc are also responsible, whether they try to squirm out of it or not and point fingers merely at the chief. Presidents are nearly a few steps from being figureheads at the rate we are going and it's sad to think a lot of those people in power are also big business corporate sorts.

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[8730]

I just remembered a saying, those in politics are the ones least suited to lead. Many people go into politics with good intentions. They want to change the world and make a difference. They want to make the world safer and fairer. But when they actually get into the race, they see nothing is what they thought. They get caught up in the corruption and stagnation that is in EVERY government around the world.

Is it true that some of the senators are there by birth? That tradition has even been removed from the House of Lords in the UK (or is on the way out). People should earn their position for who they are, not by who their parents were (nepotism much?).

[redlion]

Mirai - Here you go. This is not the video I saw as it was on TV, but it's close enough.

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=IBc4FqqSMJw

And here is another -

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=4H_pCd6C_CI

And if you still dont believe in bush Intelligence here another one,

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=5x5SRwFfgrQ&mode=related&search=
no coments..

[Repliku]

haha. I have a whole bunch of quotes from Bush. He really does seem to have a problem with speaking without a script being in front of him. My favorite one recently was he was around a bunch of kids promoting his 'no kids get left behind' thing and he speaks into the microphone and says "Childrens can learn!" That just killed me of laughter. Why am I here...I don't know. I think I revived after putting food on my family.

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[Number13Roxas]

Personally if you compare President Clinton being impeached and his little Military experience President Bush doesn't seem as bad. Bush wanted to get Sadaam out of power and also Iraq really needs the help right now.

[EvilMan_89]

well....he's not THAT bad i guess. i know i wouldn't want to have to make teh descions he does

[Crumpet]

I've never been to America... so yeah

[iwantedtoexplode]

I agree. And the "Bush lied" thing even if we haven't found it, he made a mistake and thought it was real. Maybe it's still out there

I'd rather have a President that is honest with the public and with God and not break 2 of the Ten Commandments. And against killing unborn babies. Jesus is against those things Clinton did and his oponions. I know Clinton is human and made a mistake but so is Bush.

Yes Jesus, we're all very sorry that Clinton broke the Ten Commandments. You even took time out of your busy schedule and came down from the heavens and warned us of his unholy opinions and massive baby slaughter. Those poor babies could've lived such promising lives in orphanages filled with hundreds of people that they could relate to, but no, we didn't listen. Why couldn't Clinton be honest to you and to God, like President Bush? Yes Bush, now there's a fine fellow. He collects taxes from all the unfaithful sinners of America, and with that money, eliminates those demons in Iraq. Did you know that Iraq's population consists entirely of terrorists? Good will always prevail over evil! If only Bush could be President for his entire lifetime. Clearly he is the only one with rational judgement on this earth. I'd love to talk more, Jesus, but now I have to go ignore the First Amendment by treating my religion as if it's the governing law of American society.

[White_Rook]

Yes Jesus, we're all very sorry that Clinton broke the Ten Commandments. You even took time out of your busy schedule and came down from the heavens and warned us of his unholy opinions and massive baby slaughter. Those poor babies could've lived such promising lives in orphanages filled with hundreds of people that they could relate to, but no, we didn't listen. Why couldn't Clinton be honest to you and to God, like President Bush? Yes Bush, now there's a fine fellow. He collects taxes from all the unfaithful sinners of America, and with that money, eliminates those demons in Iraq. Did you know that Iraq's population consists entirely of terrorists? Good will always prevail over evil! If only Bush could be President for his entire lifetime. Clearly he is the only one with rational judgement on this earth. I'd love to talk more, Jesus, but now I have to go ignore the First Amendment by treating my religion as if it's the governing law of American society.

And thank you Little Baby Jesus for showing him those weapons of mass destruction and then quickly making them vanish from reality so that the evil Iraqi demons wouldn't be able to use them.


Anyway, if you support the logic for attacking a country under false pretenses for its resources then you might as well support the slaughtering of fetuses for stem cell research. But wait, isn't that something Bush is strongly against? The man's made himself as guilty and blood drenched as most of the terrorists he's spending America's economy on to "bring to justice".

Meanwhile everyone sees Clinton as a satin worship evil man just because he lied about a blowjob.

[iwantedtoexplode]

And thank you Little Baby Jesus for showing him those weapons of mass destruction and then quickly making them vanish from reality so that the evil Iraqi demons wouldn't be able to use them.


Anyway, if you support the logic for attacking a country under false pretenses for its resources then you might as well support the slaughtering of fetuses for stem cell research. But wait, isn't that something Bush is strongly against? The man's made himself as guilty and blood drenched as most of the terrorists he's spending America's economy on to "bring to justice".

Meanwhile everyone sees Clinton as a satin worship evil man just because he lied about a blowjob.

That made me laugh! Blunt, but very true. Why does the world care so much about this, I mean, yeah, it's a bit immoral, but it's nothing compared to what Bush has done.

Somehow, people still support him with the war even though it's pointless, and it's been pointless since the beginning. Osama Bin Ladin attacks the World Trade Towers and then Bush randomly decides to go after Sadam Hossain. Well guess what? He's dead now! So even if Hossain hiding in Iraq were justified enough to invade it, there's absolutely no reason to still be there now.

But Iraq is still occupied by soldiers, all because Bush likes slaughtering innocent people. I say "slaughtering innocent people" (as opposed to "war") because this has gotten so ridiculus, I'm beginning to suspect he's after a second holocaust, no better than Hitler. The only difference is that he's labeling it as "war" to cover his a** and make it look like he's only doing "what's bestfor the country."

Okay, so maybe those last few sentences were a bit below the belt and based to much on assumption, but the underlying message is that there is no point for this war, or whatever it is. I also agree about how he's guiltier than the terrorists he's chasing. About 7,000 innocent people were killed in the World Trade Center attacks, while about 655,000 innocent Iraqi civilians were killed in the war. That's not best for our country and certainly not theirs. This is why the rest of the world hates us so much.

[EvilMan_89]

ok what you have highlighted in red is SO true

[The Great Gatz]

lol W_R you're making it sound like everybody loves Bush. More people support Clinton than they did Bush. And yes they were both in the wrong. But in Bush's situation he was given incorrect information. If you were a leader of a country and you got intelligence that a country had WMDs and were a threat to your country what would you do? I mean Bush even warned Saddam that if he didn't surrender this would happen. He could have avoided this whole thing. And as for Clinton well lets just say that name is made of pure s h i t.

[EvilMan_89]

Anyway, if you support the logic for attacking a country under false pretenses for its resources then you might as well support the slaughtering of fetuses for stem cell research. But wait, isn't that something Bush is strongly against? The man's made himself as guilty and blood drenched as most of the terrorists he's spending America's economy on to "bring to justice".

i believe they use ALREADY dead fetuses to study this but i not sure

[DrMario64]

Yeah, but think about it. Would you rather have a person who only screwed a secretary, or a person who screwed our whole nation?

LMAO sig'd

[White_Rook]

lol W_R you're making it sound like everybody loves Bush. More people support Clinton than they did Bush. And yes they were both in the wrong. But in Bush's situation he was given incorrect information. If you were a leader of a country and you got intelligence that a country had WMDs and were a threat to your country what would you do? I mean Bush even warned Saddam that if he didn't surrender this would happen. He could have avoided this whole thing. And as for Clinton well lets just say that name is made of pure s h i t.

I never accused or directed it at anyone here. My beef is with the logic that supports the war.

@Evil: I was referring to those that are still alive. The mentality is that troops go in and acquire the resources as a result, and I was making an ****ogous criticism of the administration's hypocrisy; Destroying innocent unborn life is bad, but destroying innocent lives is acceptable.

[The Great Gatz]

I never accused or directed it at anyone here. My beef is with the logic that supports the war.

I am guilty of this. But one thing we shouldn't do is bad mouth the President of the United States. He probably has the hardest job on Earth. He has the toughest decisions to make. I don't think any of us would enjoy if people picked apar everything we said and criticized us for our mistakes. We're all human we make mistakes. Even rulers are humans. And DW he didn't screw our nation. You should do your homework. He made our nation a safer place to live. Our economy is doing better. Bush really has helped us.

[Soushirei]

I am guilty of this. But one thing we shouldn't do is bad mouth the President of the United States. He probably has the hardest job on Earth. He has the toughest decisions to make. I don't think any of us would enjoy if people picked apar everything we said and criticized us for our mistakes. We're all human we make mistakes. Even rulers are humans. And DW he didn't screw our nation. You should do your homework. He made our nation a safer place to live. Our economy is doing better. Bush really has helped us.
Really? The American dollar was worth more before the war started. At one point, it was worth less than the Canadian dollar.

EDiT: As of now: $1.00CAD ~ $1.04USD.

And I like how being the 'President of the United States' means he has the hardest job on Earth. I'm really not fond of how many Americans spout this idea that everything American-related is somehow the most pivotal situation in the world. Stop being so self-absorbed.

[White_Rook]

Really? The American dollar was worth more before the war started. At one point, it was worth less than the Canadian dollar.

EDiT: As of now: $1.00CAD ~ $1.04USD.

And I like how being the 'President of the United States' means he has the hardest job on Earth. I'm really not fond of how many Americans spout this idea that everything American-related is somehow the most pivotal situation in the world. Stop being so self-absorbed.

I'd also like to add that brokers and mutual fund investors are anticipating a sizable decrease in the market come March of 2008, and that's if it doesn't just collapse all together. Mortgages are too high in the states and the number of people that will potentially lose their homes will cause a flux in the market. Not to mention the amount of money being thrown away to sustain the military's occupation and future moevement. This ridiculous spending also happens to be fueling the inflation that has thus resulted in the Canadian dollar not only parring but exceeding the Green back.

[The Great Gatz]

This is something I found the other day.

"The other day I was reading Newsweek magazine and came across some poll data I found rather hard to believe. It must be true, given the source, right?

The Newsweek poll alleges that 67 percent of Americans are unhappy with the direction the country is headed, and 69 percent of the country is unhappy with the performance of the President. In essence, 2/3's of the citizenry just ain't happy and want a change.

So being the knuckle dragger I am, I started thinking, ''What are we so unhappy about?''
Is it that we have electricity and running water 24 hours a day, 7 days a week?

Is our unhappiness the result of having air conditioning in the summer and heating in the winter?

Could it be that 95.4 percent of these unhappy folks have a job?

Maybe it is the ability to walk into a grocery store at any time, and see more food in moments than Darfur has seen in the last year?

Maybe it is the ability to drive from the Pacific Ocean to the Atlantic Ocean without having to present identification papers as we move through each state?

Or possibly the hundreds of clean and safe motels we would find along the way that can provide temporary shelter?

I guess having thousands of restaurants with varying cuisine from around the world is just not good enough.

Or could it be that when we wreck our car, emergency workers show up and
provide services to help all, and even send a helicopter to take you to the hospital.

Perhaps you are one of the 70 percent of Americans who own a home. You may be upset with knowing that in the unfortunate case of a fire, a group of trained firefighters will appear in moments and use top notch equipment to extinguish the flames thus saving you, your family and your belongings.

Or if, while at home watching one of your many flat screen TVs, a burglar or prowler intrudes , an officer equipped with a gun and a bullet-proof vest will come to defend you and your family against attack or loss.

This all in the backdrop of a neighborhood free of bombs or militias raping and pillaging the residents. Neighborhoods where 90 percent of teenagers own cell phones and computers.

How about the complete religious, social and political freedoms we enjoy that are the envy of everyone in the world?

Maybe that is what has 67 percent of you folks unhappy.

Fact is, we are the largest group of ungrateful, spoiled brats the world has ever seen. No wonder the world loves the U.S. , yet has a great disdain for its citizens. They see us for what we are. The most blessed people in the world who do nothing but complain about what we don't have , and what we hate about the country instead of thanking the good Lord we live here.

I know, I know. What about the President who took us into war and has no plan to get us out? The President who has a measly 31 percent approval rating? Is this the same President who guided the nation in the dark days after 9/11? The President that cut taxes to bring an economy out of recession? Could this be the same guy who has been called every name in the book for succeeding in keeping all the spoiled ungrateful brats safe from terrorist attacks?

The Commander-In Chief of an all-volunteer army that is out there defending you and me? Did you hear how bad the President is on the news or talk show? Did this news affect you so much, make you so unhappy you couldn't take a look around for yourself and see all the good things and be glad?

Think about it...are you upset at the President because he actually caused you personal pain OR is it because the "Media" told you he was failing to kiss your sorry ungrateful behind every day.

Make no mistake about it. The troops in Iraq and Afghanistan have volunteered to serve, and in many cases may have died for your freedom. There is currently no draft in this country. They didn't have to go.

They are able to refuse to go and end up with either a ''general'' discharge, an ''other than honorable'' discharge or, worst case scenario, a ''dishonorable'' discharge after a few days in the brig.

So why then the flat-out discontentment in the minds of 69 percent of Americans? Say what you want, but I blame it on the media. If it bleeds, it leads; and they specialize in bad news. Everybody will watch a car crash with blood and guts. How many will watch kids selling lemonade at the corner? The media knows this and media outlets are for-profit corporations. They offer what sells , and when criticized, try to defend their actions by "justifying" them in one way or another. Just ask why they tried to allow a murderer like O.J. Simpson to write a book about "how he didn't kill his wife, but if he did he would have done it this way"...Insane!

Stop buying the negativism you are fed everyday by the media. Shut off the TV, burn Newsweek, and use the New York Times for the bottom of your bird cage. Then start being grateful for all we have as a country. There is exponentially more good than bad.

We are among the most blessed people on Earth, and should thank God several times a day, or at least be thankful and appreciative.

"With hurricanes, tornados, fires out of control, mud slides, flooding, severe thunderstorms tearing up the country from one end to another, and with the threat of bird flu and terrorist attacks, "Are we sure this is a good time to take God out of the Pledge of Allegiance?"

[8730]

This is something I found the other day.

"The other day I was reading Newsweek magazine and came across some poll data I found rather hard to believe. It must be true, given the source, right?

The Newsweek poll alleges that 67 percent of Americans are unhappy with the direction the country is headed, and 69 percent of the country is unhappy with the performance of the President. In essence, 2/3's of the citizenry just ain't happy and want a change.

So being the knuckle dragger I am, I started thinking, ''What are we so unhappy about?''
Is it that we have electricity and running water 24 hours a day, 7 days a week?

Is our unhappiness the result of having air conditioning in the summer and heating in the winter?

Could it be that 95.4 percent of these unhappy folks have a job?

Maybe it is the ability to walk into a grocery store at any time, and see more food in moments than Darfur has seen in the last year?

Maybe it is the ability to drive from the Pacific Ocean to the Atlantic Ocean without having to present identification papers as we move through each state?

Or possibly the hundreds of clean and safe motels we would find along the way that can provide temporary shelter?

I guess having thousands of restaurants with varying cuisine from around the world is just not good enough.

Or could it be that when we wreck our car, emergency workers show up and
provide services to help all, and even send a helicopter to take you to the hospital.

Perhaps you are one of the 70 percent of Americans who own a home. You may be upset with knowing that in the unfortunate case of a fire, a group of trained firefighters will appear in moments and use top notch equipment to extinguish the flames thus saving you, your family and your belongings.

Or if, while at home watching one of your many flat screen TVs, a burglar or prowler intrudes , an officer equipped with a gun and a bullet-proof vest will come to defend you and your family against attack or loss.

This all in the backdrop of a neighborhood free of bombs or militias raping and pillaging the residents. Neighborhoods where 90 percent of teenagers own cell phones and computers.

How about the complete religious, social and political freedoms we enjoy that are the envy of everyone in the world?

Maybe that is what has 67 percent of you folks unhappy.

Fact is, we are the largest group of ungrateful, spoiled brats the world has ever seen. No wonder the world loves the U.S. , yet has a great disdain for its citizens. They see us for what we are. The most blessed people in the world who do nothing but complain about what we don't have , and what we hate about the country instead of thanking the good Lord we live here.

I know, I know. What about the President who took us into war and has no plan to get us out? The President who has a measly 31 percent approval rating? Is this the same President who guided the nation in the dark days after 9/11? The President that cut taxes to bring an economy out of recession? Could this be the same guy who has been called every name in the book for succeeding in keeping all the spoiled ungrateful brats safe from terrorist attacks?

The Commander-In Chief of an all-volunteer army that is out there defending you and me? Did you hear how bad the President is on the news or talk show? Did this news affect you so much, make you so unhappy you couldn't take a look around for yourself and see all the good things and be glad?

Think about it...are you upset at the President because he actually caused you personal pain OR is it because the "Media" told you he was failing to kiss your sorry ungrateful behind every day.

Make no mistake about it. The troops in Iraq and Afghanistan have volunteered to serve, and in many cases may have died for your freedom. There is currently no draft in this country. They didn't have to go.

They are able to refuse to go and end up with either a ''general'' discharge, an ''other than honorable'' discharge or, worst case scenario, a ''dishonorable'' discharge after a few days in the brig.

So why then the flat-out discontentment in the minds of 69 percent of Americans? Say what you want, but I blame it on the media. If it bleeds, it leads; and they specialize in bad news. Everybody will watch a car crash with blood and guts. How many will watch kids selling lemonade at the corner? The media knows this and media outlets are for-profit corporations. They offer what sells , and when criticized, try to defend their actions by "justifying" them in one way or another. Just ask why they tried to allow a murderer like O.J. Simpson to write a book about "how he didn't kill his wife, but if he did he would have done it this way"...Insane!

Stop buying the negativism you are fed everyday by the media. Shut off the TV, burn Newsweek, and use the New York Times for the bottom of your bird cage. Then start being grateful for all we have as a country. There is exponentially more good than bad.

We are among the most blessed people on Earth, and should thank God several times a day, or at least be thankful and appreciative.

"With hurricanes, tornados, fires out of control, mud slides, flooding, severe thunderstorms tearing up the country from one end to another, and with the threat of bird flu and terrorist attacks, "Are we sure this is a good time to take God out of the Pledge of Allegiance?"

I'd like to see some evidence for this, as at the moment it seems to be "You can be whatever religion you want, as long as you believe in a God. Atheism and Agnosticism are religions as well. They are badly tolerated (if at all). Religious tolerance? Bah

Yes they didn't have to go, but if they stayed there would be nothing for them. The American Military concentrates on those from disadvantaged backgrounds who are going to find it harder to move up in the world. They go after these people and give them the illusion of choice when really they have none.

All natural disasters, all caused and preventable by God and yet they still happen anyway. Another case would be the family of seven which was wiped out yesterday morning in a house fire. All five children died, the youngest being 9 months the eldest being 13. You tell me that a kind and benevolent God does something like that. But I don't want this to become an argument about religion so meh.

The reason people are so unhappy is not because of what they have but because of how much better it should be. America has many problems you wouldn't expect to see in a 'superpower'. Maybe the people are ungrateful, but people are selfish it's part of being human. The survival instint overrides all, so people will think of themselves first.

Also you say that he has the hardest job in the world, what about all of the other world leaders? Hmm? Or did you forget there was a world out there? Also, Bush doesn't do it all on his own, he does a lot less than you probably think. His advisors tell him things and he acts on it, usually following what they say to the letter.
Bush has made mistakes, many mistakes, but I am pretty sure he isn't the worst leader that has ever ruled? Please tell me I'm right =/

[iwantedtoexplode]

The Newsweek poll alleges that 67 percent of Americans are unhappy with the direction the country is headed, and 69 percent of the country is unhappy with the performance of the President. In essence, 2/3's of the citizenry just ain't happy and want a change........Is it that we have electricity and running water 24 hours a day, 7 days a week?

Is our unhappiness the result of having air conditioning in the summer and heating in the winter?

Could it be that 95.4 percent of these unhappy folks have a job?

Maybe it is the ability to walk into a grocery store at any time, and see more food in moments than Darfur has seen in the last year?

Maybe it is the ability to drive from the Pacific Ocean to the Atlantic Ocean without having to present identification papers as we move through each state?

Or possibly the hundreds of clean and safe motels we would find along the way that can provide temporary shelter?

I guess having thousands of restaurants with varying cuisine from around the world is just not good enough.

Or could it be that when we wreck our car, emergency workers show up and
provide services to help all, and even send a helicopter to take you to the hospital.

Perhaps you are one of the 70 percent of Americans who own a home. You may be upset with knowing that in the unfortunate case of a fire, a group of trained firefighters will appear in moments and use top notch equipment to extinguish the flames thus saving you, your family and your belongings.

Or if, while at home watching one of your many flat screen TVs, a burglar or prowler intrudes , an officer equipped with a gun and a bullet-proof vest will come to defend you and your family against attack or loss.

This all in the backdrop of a neighborhood free of bombs or militias raping and pillaging the residents. Neighborhoods where 90 percent of teenagers own cell phones and computers.

How about the complete religious, social and political freedoms we enjoy that are the envy of everyone in the world?

Maybe that is what has 67 percent of you folks unhappy.


A very nice list of rhetorical questions, however these issues have squat to do with "the direction the country is headed" which is what the pole was really about. These statements deal with what we have access to at the present. I don't know the specifics of the pole, but it probably involved issues such as political corruption and economic inflation.



Fact is, we are the largest group of ungrateful, spoiled brats the world has ever seen. No wonder the world loves the U.S. , yet has a great disdain for its citizens. They see us for what we are. The most blessed people in the world who do nothing but complain about what we don't have , and what we hate about the country instead of thanking the good Lord we live here.

Being grateful for what you have works well in the comfort of your home, but not for a country. We live in a Capitalist society, businesses compete with each other to make a product that people will buy, therefore, our country becomes more advanced. If nobody complained, if there weren't a demand, we wouldn't be able to move forward. You act like we're so great that there's no need for improvement. So you suggest that we've reached "political nirvana" and that there's nothing left to do but sit around soaking up each other's obnoxious rays, thinking about how blessed we are to live in a Utopia? We have every right to advance ourselves, in fact, if we didn't, other countries would surpass us, and eventually take us over.


I know, I know. What about the President who took us into war and has no plan to get us out? The President who has a measly 31 percent approval rating? Is this the same President who guided the nation in the dark days after 9/11? The President that cut taxes to bring an economy out of recession? Could this be the same guy who has been called every name in the book for succeeding in keeping all the spoiled ungrateful brats safe from terrorist attacks?

We've had other Presidents before that dealt with serious issues, it's part of the job, though I suppose it is a bit respectable when it happens. However, there is no point to the war. We were attacked, yes, but instead of just going after the offenders, we decided to wage war on a nation. We've already killed Saddam Hossain (though I still don't know why we were after him), but troops are still occupying Iraq. That can't be justified by merely saying he did something good, the negative jurastically outweighs the positive.



The Commander-In Chief of an all-volunteer army that is out there defending you and me? Did you hear how bad the President is on the news or talk show? Did this news affect you so much, make you so unhappy you couldn't take a look around for yourself and see all the good things and be glad?

Think about it...are you upset at the President because he actually caused you personal pain OR is it because the "Media" told you he was failing to kiss your sorry ungrateful behind every day.

It's true that America focuses too much on the bad things, making it seem as if the world is evil, I respect that you recognized this very much. Still, you don't give Americans enough credit. We don't always think about ourselves, so it doesn't matter if we've suffered personally, we can still feel sympathy for others. I don't think anyone can honestly say that they don't want seniors to have any money. They might not want to pay for it (though I don't know why they'd prefer to pay the government to make weapons), but I still can't see why they would want old people to be bankrupt. I think it's reasonable for them to have social security after living a long life, and this arangement not to be considered "getting your a** kissed."



Make no mistake about it. The troops in Iraq and Afghanistan have volunteered to serve, and in many cases may have died for your freedom. There is currently no draft in this country. They didn't have to go.

They are able to refuse to go and end up with either a ''general'' discharge, an ''other than honorable'' discharge or, worst case scenario, a ''dishonorable'' discharge after a few days in the brig.

Bunterx said enough about this already, they target people who have no other option but to enlist.


So why then the flat-out discontentment in the minds of 69 percent of Americans? Say what you want, but I blame it on the media. If it bleeds, it leads; and they specialize in bad news. Everybody will watch a car crash with blood and guts. How many will watch kids selling lemonade at the corner? The media knows this and media outlets are for-profit corporations. They offer what sells , and when criticized, try to defend their actions by "justifying" them in one way or another. Just ask why they tried to allow a murderer like O.J. Simpson to write a book about "how he didn't kill his wife, but if he did he would have done it this way"...Insane!

Stop buying the negativism you are fed everyday by the media. Shut off the TV, burn Newsweek, and use the New York Times for the bottom of your bird cage. Then start being grateful for all we have as a country. There is exponentially more good than bad.


We are among the most blessed people on Earth, and should thank God several times a day, or at least be thankful and appreciative.

I talked about this before, I don't think I need to repeat myself.


"With hurricanes, tornados, fires out of control, mud slides, flooding, severe thunderstorms tearing up the country from one end to another, and with the threat of bird flu and terrorist attacks, "Are we sure this is a good time to take God out of the Pledge of Allegiance?"

Right, because leaving God in the Pledge of Allegiance is what America stands for. You said before that this country has freedom of religion, so why is this crap force-fed to us? Because of the "Under God" bulls***, I refuse to say the Pledge of Allegiance. Isn't it kind of sad that the promise to remain faithful to America; a country that supports individuality, subliminally discriminates against all non-christians?

I think I've proven my point.

[Sara]

I think overall...

We're becoming a religious nation. Believe it or not, look at the line of presidents. All of them were Christian. (I think) There was only one who wasn't and that was JFK. The problem is that the Christian branches in some cases is that they're getting so out of control, look at the Evangelical branch...

Well over 50% of the voters right now are Evangelical. My dad being one. There's rarely seperation of Church and state now.

In any case, we're having people DIE over there. And no, I don't believe they're dying for "the good of the country." You have a mother, father, sister, brother, friend, anyone...

Who dies over there and see how you feel.

Bush is spending a fortune on this war while the economy is falling apart, the dollar is going to be removed by the international market if it keeps on going. Economist: "Fall of the Dollar" for more info. And the banks are even giving up on the dollar.

And Bush just keeps on spending, and spending and spending...

And also, the Bush's, (I live in Maine) they just installed a windmill for their house. After Bush denied oil price cuts for the poor people when oil is over 90 dollars a gallon.

There's something seriously wrong there.

[Repliku]

Yes, the nation sadly appears to be becoming this religious nation. The 'God' part in the pledge of allegiance wasn't even instated until 1954 because congress, after a campaign by the Knights of Columbus,which then added the words, 'under God,' to the Pledge. The Pledge then became a public prayer as well as support of allegiance to the nation. We had been saying the Pledge of Allegiance for years prior and the ironic thing is the original creator of the Pledge left the 'God' part out and was himself a devout Christian. He almost added the word 'equality' to the pledge but because women and slaves were not considered equal, it was left out.

Not all Presidents were Christian but the mainstream lately since JFK has been and has been a defining characteristic of someone getting elected, just as much as it is seemingly important that the person be married.

We have a lot of problems with religion creeping in and what should be a personal belief is definitely working its way in nearly all political agendas anymore. Those who campaign to get rid of things of personal freedoms usually are fundamentalist religious groups to majorly include the televangelist sorts. Bush for a long while listened to Ted Haggard, who had at least 30k people in Colorado at his seminars.

I don't believe Bush intentionally 'lied' to us about WMDs etc because there was reason to suspect them with how bad Saddam was acting and what ploys they were doing on the MZ lines. I just think Bush isn't that bright of a leader and has too many people who are ol' country good ol boys helping him make decisions, let alone they are all connected to the oil industry.

Another thing that got to me is that Bush wants to see more of Hybrid cars and Hydrogen cars, but all in the same breath, if Hydrogen cars are made more available to us, he wants to make stations which use 'gas' to power so that people can fuel up and well...we'd still be using gas. This is not the solution, but it seems no matter what we do, we are apparently supposed to use up the fossil fuels before we are going to be truly able to use other things as we want. There are ways to do things without the power grid or support the power grid, such as with wind and solar power, but they cost so much for ordinary folks to be able to attain them. That is the market though that would make more sense for people to start going to, but these billionaires aren't going to drop oil until there isn't anything left. They have the 'old person' mentality of generations which has put us in the state we are in, where they don't care about the future progeny or generations. We just have to hope in the end, we don't end up as bad as Bush and others in power are now, so that the people of our generations that get instilled will have a desire to look to the future as well as present day. This country has really fallen and I just am hoping we can get back on our feet and do what we should. Both Bush and Clinton helped in this.

For those who say Clinton was so great, let's not forget how he was paid off very well by the Chinese for his run for presidency again and now there are a lot of corporations there that took away considerable jobs here. Also, those corps don't have to watch green rules as effectively and China now is worse than the U.S. for pollution and all. So it's a question in the end if China is actually doing better or worse in some ways. The people there can also be hired cheaply and not make what they are worth. Clinton also bombed Iraq and the order hit all civilian targets, and he did a number of other things. In the end, both Clinton and Bush and mainly their administrations are the cause for the state of things today, not just Bush alone, though he's done a great job of 'helping' *cough* us to get to where we are today.