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P
10-09-2007, 07:50 AM
What is Roxas's relationship with Namine and Castle Oblivion? Is he aware of what is happening to Sora?

Also I have found a plot hole! Vexen gives Sora a Twilight town card, meaning Roxas must have been trapped in Twilight town when Vexen did that. BUT! Sora has not gone night night yet, with everyone trying to restore his memories! Meaning Roxas must have been in Twilight town BEFORE castle oblivion. But this cannot be because Haynar, Pence and Ollete did not know him, and he would not be in the data version.

Akino
10-09-2007, 07:56 AM
Yeah. After Sora released his heart back in KH1, Roxas was born and awoken in Twilight Town. Then Xemnas appears and gives him the name 'Roxas', and I guess Axel finds our little keyblade wielder walking around town and picks him up. Invites him in the Organization, and YAY! Organization XIII is finished. x]

EDIT: Now after re-reading this... I'm confused with my own post and yours. @_@

P
10-09-2007, 08:31 AM
Hmmm. Does Zemnas give him the name "Roxas"?

If Roxas gets the clothes, doesn't he get a name?

Oh, and I did not realise that Roxas Materialised in Twilight town.

Now that question has been answered, Does Roxas know about Sora in Castle Oblivion? Also I wonder what his relationship with Namine was prior to imprisonment.

Akino
10-09-2007, 09:03 AM
Hmmm. Does Zemnas give him the name "Roxas"?

If Roxas gets the clothes, doesn't he get a name?

Oh, and I did not realise that Roxas Materialised in Twilight town.

Now that question has been answered, Does Roxas know about Sora in Castle Oblivion? Also I wonder what his relationship with Namine was prior to imprisonment.

Xemnas does give him the name 'Roxas' check the KH2 Final Mix+ videos section on the site.
Clothing? If you meant his organization coat, I think he recieves it from Axel before they meet with the rest of the Organization (Hopefully we'll see it in the game.)

Materialized? Do you mean turned into data? I do believe Roxas wasn't turned into data when he was transported into Data world Twilight Town in KH2, I think he was the only thing living in the town that wasn't made of data.

I don't think Roxas knew about Namine, or Sora during his time in Castle Oblivion. Since in the flashbacks in KH2, Roxas set off to look for why he had the keyblade and search for Sora.

Eternal Session
10-10-2007, 12:40 AM
Twilight Town is the hidden memory of Sora, that's mean sora and roxas are related... i do think that roxas has been converted to data when he was in another twilight town..

Thebazilly
10-10-2007, 03:43 AM
Roxas was born in Twilight Town before he was tranferred into data by DiZ. He had befriended Hayner, Pence, and Olette before he entered the Organization. Watch the subtitled FM+ videos. They're very helpful.

And Roxas didn't know what was going on in Castle Oblivion, I think. He didn't even know Sora, judging by his reactions to his dreams at the beginning of KH2. And also judging by Namine and Roxas' interactions in the beginning of KH2, he didn't know her until then either.

Repliku
10-10-2007, 04:59 AM
Xemnas does give him the name 'Roxas' check the KH2 Final Mix+ videos section on the site.
Clothing? If you meant his organization coat, I think he recieves it from Axel before they meet with the rest of the Organization (Hopefully we'll see it in the game.)

Materialized? Do you mean turned into data? I do believe Roxas wasn't turned into data when he was transported into Data world Twilight Town in KH2, I think he was the only thing living in the town that wasn't made of data.

I don't think Roxas knew about Namine, or Sora during his time in Castle Oblivion. Since in the flashbacks in KH2, Roxas set off to look for why he had the keyblade and search for Sora.

I agree with all Akino said here. Xemnas is the one who gave Roxas his name and anyone in the Org pretty much had their names altered by him. The Org cloak is also an Organization thing so he either received that from Axel but more than likely, probably Xemnas was behind that too. I doubt they just can go around passing out Org cloaks to people without his approval, Nobody or not.

I sincerely doubt that Roxas knew anything of Namine or Sora or of what happened at Castle Oblivion truly or else he would not have been so adamant on leaving and finding out why he had the Keyblade in the first place. He wanted answers and there was no one who would give them. Namine also knew things of Roxas but even with his memory returned he did not really recall her other than the time spent at Twilight Town, which was the fake Twilight Town.

However, Roxas and Axel apparently did spend time in the real Twilight Town dealing with Heartless and such there as is to be seen in this game. This game seems to take place while Sora is at Castle Oblivion and asleep. In Reverse Rebirth, Riku actually goes to Twilight Town (well just imagery of the Castle Oblivion any way) where he encounters the Riku Replica so he's the only one who probably had any clue of what was going on with that and that the real place would be of importance.

http://ff-rpg.net/images/Replikufake.jpg

Luka
10-10-2007, 02:55 PM
I don't think he knows in Kh2 namine says she wanted to meet roxas Once
i mean you got it there don't you ?

P
10-11-2007, 09:54 AM
By materialised in Twilight town I meant made.

But twilight town seemed normal enough when I visited the real one, so if Darksides and such are romping around, how come no one noticed it?

Luka
10-11-2007, 12:03 PM
By materialised in Twilight town I meant made.

But twilight town seemed normal enough when I visited the real one, so if Darksides and such are romping around, how come no one noticed it?

Isn't it just the m,ultiplayer mode i mean it doesn't have to be happening does it ?

koolashley
10-12-2007, 01:23 AM
Roxas would have thought Namine's name familiar in KHII, so therefore couldn't have met her. He also knows about Sora, he explained to Sora about when he lost his heart at Hollow Bastion, and Sora remembered losing his heart.

Got it Memorized? I tried to explain this as best as I could.

Spitfire
10-12-2007, 02:21 AM
Basic Repliku is right, Xemnas choose everyone hands down, well him and the 6 homies. Roxas isn't really aware of Sora or castle oblivion at the time, actually I don't think he ever had anything to do with castle oblivion to be honest that was just something else. Because I think Xemnas finds Roxas after the events in CoM. Cause if not, then Xemnas would have no use trying to control Sora if he had Roxas. Therefore, he must not have found Roxas until after CoM or else he would be wasting his time.

koolashley
10-12-2007, 03:06 AM
Basic Repliku is right, Xemnas choose everyone hands down, well him and the 6 homies. Roxas isn't really aware of Sora or castle oblivion at the time, actually I don't think he ever had anything to do with castle oblivion to be honest that was just something else. Because I think Xemnas finds Roxas after the events in CoM. Cause if not, then Xemnas would have no use trying to control Sora if he had Roxas. Therefore, he must not have found Roxas until after CoM or else he would be wasting his time.

You're right, because he started off in Twilight Town. Then Xemnas found him, gave him a name I believe, and brought him to The World The Never Was. You mainly see his flashbacks in alley ways there, so...there you have it.

Akino
10-12-2007, 03:45 AM
Basic Repliku is right, Xemnas choose everyone hands down, well him and the 6 homies. Roxas isn't really aware of Sora or castle oblivion at the time, actually I don't think he ever had anything to do with castle oblivion to be honest that was just something else. Because I think Xemnas finds Roxas after the events in CoM. Cause if not, then Xemnas would have no use trying to control Sora if he had Roxas. Therefore, he must not have found Roxas until after CoM or else he would be wasting his time.

If Roxas was picked up by Xemnas after CoM. Then one scene in the trailer wouldn't be in there. The one when Xemnas introduces the 14th member to the whole organization. The members from CoM are in the scene and Roxas. (It was written in a article somehere. Oh, here it is. (http://www.kh-vids.net/showthread.php?t=28211)) So, Roxas was picked up before the events of CoM.

The only reason Xemnas was using Sora in KH2, is because Sora was whole when Roxas went to him. Meaning, Sora had all his powers back. So that meant collecting more hearts then all the other remaining members could have done. Which is why when you entered the castle in TWTNW, Saix was rambling to Sora "Oh, you collected the remaining hearts we needed. So you can die now."

Spitfire
10-12-2007, 03:57 AM
If Roxas was picked up by Xemnas after CoM. Then one scene in the trailer wouldn't be in there. The one when Xemnas introduces the 14th member to the whole organization. The members from CoM are in the scene and Roxas. (It was written in a article somehere. Oh, here it is. (http://www.kh-vids.net/showthread.php?t=28211)) So, Roxas was picked up before the events of CoM.

The only reason Xemnas was using Sora in KH2, is because Sora was whole when Roxas went to him. Meaning, Sora had all his powers back. So that meant collecting more hearts then all the other remaining members could have done. Which is why when you entered the castle in TWTNW, Saix was rambling to Sora "Oh, you collected the remaining hearts we needed. So you can die now."

I know why he used him in KH2, but they also had some plan for him in CoM which I can't remember for the life of me, since its been so long. And although he may have got him before CoM, I don't think he was ever intoduced into castle oblivion during CoM's story or atleast whilst Sora was there.

Akino
10-12-2007, 04:03 AM
I know why he used him in KH2, but they also had some plan for him in CoM which I can't remember for the life of me, since its been so long. And although he may have got him before CoM, I don't think he was ever intoduced into castle oblivion during CoM's story or atleast whilst Sora was there.

The plan. I haven't played CoM in a long time to. *brick'd*

Yeah, I bet on that also. I think Roxas was never assigned to be one of the members to stay in Castle Oblivion. I mean, he probably knew about the Castle. But wasn't assigned to go there with the other members. Though, if he did know about it... wouldn't he be curious that only Axel came back from Castle Oblivion. They'll probably clear that out in the game.

Sorry if I don't make any sense, I'm sleep deprived right now.

P
10-12-2007, 07:57 AM
Also, it seems Roxas never met Namine, but he was clearly around during Oblivion. So the Organisation kept info from Roxas. I imagine that will come up in game.

koolashley
10-13-2007, 12:48 AM
If Roxas was picked up by Xemnas after CoM. Then one scene in the trailer wouldn't be in there. The one when Xemnas introduces the 14th member to the whole organization. The members from CoM are in the scene and Roxas. (It was written in a article somehere. Oh, here it is. (http://www.kh-vids.net/showthread.php?t=28211)) So, Roxas was picked up before the events of CoM.

The only reason Xemnas was using Sora in KH2, is because Sora was whole when Roxas went to him. Meaning, Sora had all his powers back. So that meant collecting more hearts then all the other remaining members could have done. Which is why when you entered the castle in TWTNW, Saix was rambling to Sora "Oh, you collected the remaining hearts we needed. So you can die now."

Yeah you're right, but what about the other Organization Member, I wonder what a big deal she's supposed to be?

Anyway, though, does this mean you start from before CoM, or after, I'm confused now.

Akino
10-13-2007, 01:10 AM
Yeah you're right, but what about the other Organization Member, I wonder what a big deal she's supposed to be?

Anyway, though, does this mean you start from before CoM, or after, I'm confused now.


Well we don't know for sure how the game will start. But we'll find out soon enough. Either from the game itself, or Nomura.

And we have no information on the 14th member. All we know is that, she is not Namine. And is female. x]

koolashley
10-13-2007, 02:35 AM
Well we don't know for sure how the game will start. But we'll find out soon enough. Either from the game itself, or Nomura.

And we have no information on the 14th member. All we know is that, she is not Namine. And is female. x]

Yeah, I know the second part (though I don't mean to sound rude). When I read the link you put up it said the others only laughed and were just looking at her in wonder and amazement as she only smirked across the room. But...Roxas was either shocked or confused, Marluxia and Lexeaus are angered, Larxene and Vexen are laughing, and Axel raises a hand to an open (perhaps shocked) mouth. I metioned this for no reason whatsoever, only wondering: does this describe what she looks like, her personality, or just because the others are shocked at her appearance?

Maybe I did have a reason for posting this, otherwise I'm making a complete fool of myself and seem retarded to you all.

Eternal Session
10-13-2007, 08:04 AM
i think Roxas know all the stuff about namine and castle oblivion, but seem that he already lose his memory in Kh2..

Repliku
10-13-2007, 09:49 AM
Roxas I think was picked up during or just prior to CoM time because Vexen nearly gave away to Sora information about Roxas before Axel slew him. They were at that point going to slay Sora any way and Riku because both were becoming major pains and not doing what they intended. However, the point still remains that Roxas knew nothing of Castle Oblivion even if the Org knew of Roxas. Also, Sora and Riku knew nothing of them and Riku is really the only one who saw an illusion of Twilight Town at the Castle. I'm pretty sure with how Namine was, also in luring Sora to the castle in the first place, that Roxas was not even really known to her at the time.

Roxas got his memory back of his time in the Org at the end there and still did not recall Namine as having known her before, so I really doubt he knew of her at all. Namine knew things because she messed with his mind and Sora's. Really, Namine in Kh2 only seemed to communicate with Axel and Riku in KH2, other than her time spent with Roxas which was minimal. Also, in the room in the mansion with the pictures, she's never around him in them. It's Axel, or Sora or others of the Org. If she had known of him she wouldn't say she wanted to 'meet him' for the first time in Twilight Town either when the world froze and she was on the street.

X-thor
10-15-2007, 06:27 PM
Yeah. After Sora released his heart back in KH1, Roxas was born and awoken in Twilight Town. Then Xemnas appears and gives him the name 'Roxas', and I guess Axel finds our little keyblade wielder walking around town and picks him up. Invites him in the Organization, and YAY! Organization XIII is finished. x]

EDIT: Now after re-reading this... I'm confused with my own post and yours. @_@

Yeah for some reason that sounds just about right

The Superior aka Xemnas
10-17-2007, 01:06 AM
the reason why, Roxas was having dreams of Sora and not him is because, he was
Sora.he was not an actual being,he is a nobody.

P
10-17-2007, 07:02 AM
But Roxas IS a real person, because he can feel emotion.

Eternal Session
10-17-2007, 01:48 PM
But Roxas IS a real person, because he can feel emotion.

i think that too.. but maybe he share one heart with sora, but not exactly his nobody.. since he can feel emotion ..

P
10-17-2007, 06:48 PM
Yeah...

But what I want to know, is if you will lose members throughout the org.

KissesOfKunai
10-26-2007, 03:56 PM
Ahem.

Now this getting more confusing. If Roxas came at the exact time as Namine did (Which she probably did) then the Organization members must have knew about it.

So Xemnas picked up Roxas, gave him a coat, saying "WELCOME TO HORRIBLE NON-HEART WORLD SON! YOU'LL HATE IT HERE SO YOU'LL JUST HAVE TO STICK WITH US FOR THE REST OF YOUR MISERBLE NON-LIVES!"

At the same time, the Organization Members must have been planning to go to the Castle because Axel and Roxas (at one point) became friends! In which, meaning that Roxas was here when the Nobodies of Castle Obilvion was in TWTNW. Until Roxas's and Axel's friendship had to be put on hold for Axel's Castle Obilvion mission.

Then after KH:COM, Roxas and Axel is reunited, but wait! Roxas wants to know about the Castle Obilvion mission! But Xemnas told Axel to not tell anything to Roxas. Then Roxas gets all mad and decides that if he's not getting answers by asking, he'll go find answers and leave the Organization XIII. Thus Roxas gets captured by Riku and KH2 starts! YAYAYA!

Now here's a question: If Roxas was born in Twilight town, then why was Namine born in Castle Oblivion? Doesn't make more sense if they were born in the same place?

P
10-26-2007, 11:26 PM
Well, perhaps Namine was born at the same place Roxas was, or somewhere else. She was taken to Castle oblivion, not born there.