Sudden Theory On 14th Member

[Zeftnon - The Superior]

So, last night I lay awake thinking about the new KH games, then I had a sudden brainwave. This might also be 358/2 Days' connection to KH3:

Before, I never believed the idea that the 14th member is Aqua. But remember in the trailer, when Xemnas introduces her, everyone has a different expression, and Roxas' was either surprised or confused. So since Ven is connected to Roxas somehow, perhaps Roxas has a bit of Ven's memories and thought that the 14th member looked somewhat familiar.

Now when Xemnas was introducing her in the screenshot, he kind of had a sinister, satisfied kind of smile - something he doesn't normally have. Plus, he said it was a day they "must commemorate". I don't think he says that EVERY TIME they get a new member, so the 14th member must be someone special.

As for the other members' reactions, it's quite obvious they knew something about Aqua. Vexen and Larxene laughed probably because they thought it was funny seeing Aqua in an Organization cloak, something they've never seen before, and Lexaeus and Marluxia look mad because they know that having another Keyblade wielder in the Organization means trouble. Axel put his hand on his mouth because Roxas probably told him about his memories of a girl called Aqua.

I also think I found an explanation for that new cutscene regarding Xigbar and Zexion. Xemnas must've found Aqua, then started erasing her memories in the "Room Of Sleep" and kept her armor there as well. Aqua's old memories were gone by the time Roxas came into the Organization, so Xemnas let her through the "Room Of Awakening" and made her member number 14; it was such a success that Xemnas said it was a day to commemorate (another reason for Vexen's laugh).

Finally, people say that the 14th member can't be Aqua because her skin tone is darker. Well that's just the hood shadowing her. Remember, in the scene where Roxas is initiated into the Organization, it showed Xemnas face in his hood, and he was quite dark as well, wasn't he?

And all this in one night. XP

[werkku6]

Good theory, now you made me to believe, that Aqua is number XIV in organisation.

[X-thor]

Hmm... Interesting theory but for some reason I don't think it's her...

[Luka]

yeah i dont think she is it interresting though

[Eternal Session]

nice theory anyway ^^.. but when Xemnas in Room of Sleep, he still talking with Aqua armor.. does it mean he bring her back to the organisation?
i thought Room of Awakening is for the other friend, Ven?

[OneWingedHeartless]

Good theory but i still don't believe the 14th member is aqua though

[La Sofa]

Good theory but i still don't believe the 14th member is aqua though

^Detto^
/fillerZ/

[Anderson]

The problem with your theory...is that it's more of assumptions rather than a statement supported by real details.

Of course the possibility of Aqua being the 14th member is there...but there's still no evidence. I think it's because of her body shape, not to be perverted, since KH seems to be stereotypical about them in clothes and stuff.

Ven may or may not be connected to Roxas. Of course, I've been so idle to KH lately, so if they've stated this, I'm sorry.

Of course, your theory sounds very logical regarding the connection of Ven and Roxas to the Organization's expressions towards him/her.

[Thebazilly]

Well, I'll have to agree with Ryuuga for the most part. Nice job on thinking this all over, but there's really not enough facts to support Aqua as the 14th member.

Besides, I really want some new female characters. There's not enough girl power in Kingdom Hearts.

How can you explain that the 14th member looks younger than Aqua did 10 years before the Organization was created?

And I also think that the Keyblade thing is starting to get overused. They're handing out Keyblades left and right now, and the game needs to keep the number of weilders down. Also on the note of Keyblades, why would Xemnas induct Roxas into the Organization if he knew that he was getting another Keyblade weilder sometime soon? It's stated that Xemnas only let Roxas in because he could slay Heartless and help with the completion of Kingdom Hearts.

Anyway, sorry to ruin your work, but I really don't think she's Aqua.

[Akino]

Ryuuga and Theb have their points.

I also agree that Aqua isn't the fourtheenth. *Shrugs* If it isn't her skin. it's her build. XIV seems to have a small and skinny figure than Aqua, IMO.

And if Aqua is the 14th member, would she have a much bigger build and look a bit more mature looking? It's 10 years later after BBS afterall. Unless Aqua can somehow stay the same for a decade. Which would be impossible, since the normal human will have to age over a few years. And Kingdom Hearts does need more original female characters. (I mean, there are four original KH characters.)

AND... I agree with Theb. I don't want anymore keyblade weilders. Square is handing out too much free keyblades to main characters these days. I'll just end up disliking this 14th member if she does turn up to have a keyblade.

There isn't much evidence of Aqua being her. Nor much information about the 14th. But something we all agree on is... she will be a key character for the game.

[Destiny's Force]

As much as I would like to think that Aqua has anything to do with this game, I've got to agree with the majority. The darker skin tone being caused by the hood doesn't really fit. Xemnas was already slightly darker-toned to begin with. (Compared to the other Organization members.) Xehanort's Heartless was even darker.

And I also agree that there's not enough girls in the game. It's pretty much an ALMOST all-guy game, causing all those funny yaoi pairings to pop out there. (No offense to Yaoi fangirls.)

BTW, totally agree on the Keyblade point. In KH, Sora's supposed to be THE Keyblade Master. But by KH2, he's known as A Keyblade Master. Of course, if we bring the whole BBS issue where there was a Keyblade war (hence, multiple Keyblade wielders) into the equation...

For all we know, history is probably just repeating itself. By KH3, Sora, Riku and Mickey won't be the only ones holding the Keyblade and we'll end up with the 1000 Heartless battle all over again only with Keyblade wielders instead of wimpy Armored Knights. ;)

Getting back on topic: Unless Aqua spawned a Heartless somehow, I don't see her as the fourteenth member.

And as for the whole age issue, do Nobodies actually age? Xigbar's been around since the Keyblade war...

Wait, scratch that. Namine's been able to age. Never mind. :silence:

[Eternal Session]

i think Nobodies can be age but they will not getting old..
at first i thought it was Aqua nobody too.. as her memories asleep from the past..
As for her dark skin, i do agree that maybe she cover her face with the hood make her seem darker..
.. maybe she is a new character which have a connection with Aqua
*sigh* Or else, i think she is Xemnas' s sister -_-'

[Nate_River]

what if she is soras long lost, twice removed, annoying, yet somehow "interesting", sister? if she has a keyblade then she MUST be related to sora or riku, like roxas. roxas is sora's nobody so he is a keyblader but rikus just riku... *stab all riku opposers* so if she has a KB she must be related to sora or riku...

[Lithium]

If the 14th member were Aqua, and Xemnas erased her memories, then how do you explain her becoming a Nobody?

[Wabba]

Sorry if this is off-topic, but I searched for the trailer and found nothing, where is the link to the trailer you are talking about?

[Repliku]

I've been leaning towards Aqua being the 14th member for some time, or at least her Nobody. She may also have fallen to Darkness perhaps by the apprentice of Master Xehanort. Terra was not as dark as Xehanort in KH2. The picture of him on the wall shows him well tanned. I believe that is a cause of being linked to Geezanort and having his dark heart within. I am very convinced Terra is tied to Master Xehanort. We don't know what happened to Aqua, but perhaps something with the apprentice did similar or just perhaps she turned out to have darker skin because all Nobodies do -not- come back as exact duplicates of their former selves. This was stated in the KH2 game. They resemble former selves but are not exact copies.

What was said by Zeftnon I have noticed too and I agree with it. I don't see why there's so much mystery about a girl in an Org cloak if it is not Aqua in some fashion or form. It cannot be Namine. There's no other girl that fits in the spot that has been seen. Also, I really did not see the girl as 'that dark' either and assumed it was shadowing, but perhaps I am wrong. I'll have to check out the trailer again. Part of the effects of the cloaks themselves with the hoods up seems to be to make the wearers mostly invisible within. So I assumed it was a trick of the cloak itself perhaps.

[Nate_River]

what if the 14th member is Kairi? it sounds crazy and stupid but think about it... TWTNW... kairi gets KB

[Eternal Session]

Kairi is at Destiny Island that time, i think. I dont think she is Kairi XD.. She get her keyblade from Ansem or Riku...
If she is weilding a keyblade .. maybe she could be connect to Aqua, since she is weilding a keyblade too

[Nate_River]

touche, touche

[Eternal Session]

i think Repliku theory on Aqua is right..
*sigh*

[Jonah]

Didn't read the older posts, so sorry if this has been already said... Anyway, i had that exact theory too, and Nomura has already kind of confirmed Aqua isn't playable in Birth by Sleep (Though it could be her even if she was). But Aqua's age was a problem... So i just came up with this: What if the 14th member isn't actually Aqua, but someone who is to Aqua as Roxas is to Ven? I think that makes sense, and it would make the theory perfect... So discuss

[Number13Roxas]

Interesting, good though. Remember how dark Xehanort's Heartless skin was.

[daxma]

So, last night I lay awake thinking about the new KH games, then I had a sudden brainwave. This might also be 358/2 Days' connection to KH3:

Before, I never believed the idea that the 14th member is Aqua. But remember in the trailer, when Xemnas introduces her, everyone has a different expression, and Roxas' was either surprised or confused. So since Ven is connected to Roxas somehow, perhaps Roxas has a bit of Ven's memories and thought that the 14th member looked somewhat familiar.

Now when Xemnas was introducing her in the screenshot, he kind of had a sinister, satisfied kind of smile - something he doesn't normally have. Plus, he said it was a day they "must commemorate". I don't think he says that EVERY TIME they get a new member, so the 14th member must be someone special.

As for the other members' reactions, it's quite obvious they knew something about Aqua. Vexen and Larxene laughed probably because they thought it was funny seeing Aqua in an Organization cloak, something they've never seen before, and Lexaeus and Marluxia look mad because they know that having another Keyblade wielder in the Organization means trouble. Axel put his hand on his mouth because Roxas probably told him about his memories of a girl called Aqua.

I also think I found an explanation for that new cutscene regarding Xigbar and Zexion. Xemnas must've found Aqua, then started erasing her memories in the "Room Of Sleep" and kept her armor there as well. Aqua's old memories were gone by the time Roxas came into the Organization, so Xemnas let her through the "Room Of Awakening" and made her member number 14; it was such a success that Xemnas said it was a day to commemorate (another reason for Vexen's laugh).

Finally, people say that the 14th member can't be Aqua because her skin tone is darker. Well that's just the hood shadowing her. Remember, in the scene where Roxas is initiated into the Organization, it showed Xemnas face in his hood, and he was quite dark as well, wasn't he?

And all this in one night. XPI've got to hand it to you that is is the solidest theory i've seen anyone around here come up with.your a true Kingdomologist.*takes hat off to him*

[Thebazilly]

I've been leaning towards Aqua being the 14th member for some time, or at least her Nobody. She may also have fallen to Darkness perhaps by the apprentice of Master Xehanort. Terra was not as dark as Xehanort in KH2. The picture of him on the wall shows him well tanned. I believe that is a cause of being linked to Geezanort and having his dark heart within. I am very convinced Terra is tied to Master Xehanort. We don't know what happened to Aqua, but perhaps something with the apprentice did similar or just perhaps she turned out to have darker skin because all Nobodies do -not- come back as exact duplicates of their former selves. This was stated in the KH2 game. They resemble former selves but are not exact copies.

What was said by Zeftnon I have noticed too and I agree with it. I don't see why there's so much mystery about a girl in an Org cloak if it is not Aqua in some fashion or form. It cannot be Namine. There's no other girl that fits in the spot that has been seen. Also, I really did not see the girl as 'that dark' either and assumed it was shadowing, but perhaps I am wrong. I'll have to check out the trailer again. Part of the effects of the cloaks themselves with the hoods up seems to be to make the wearers mostly invisible within. So I assumed it was a trick of the cloak itself perhaps.
I'm not going to disagree with you about not knowing what happened to Aqua, but this doesn't convince me that the 14th member is her.

If I'm interpreting what you posted correctly, you're saying that the 14th member has to be Aqua's nobody because she's a girl, and she's not Namine. Aqua may be the only preexisting female that may fit the description. But that doesn't make her the 14th member. Why can't she be a completely new character?

And about the darkness of her skin thing. It could be shadows from the hood. It can't be proven or disproven until we see another picture, so I'm not going to argue here.

One last thing, you didn't come up with an answer about how the 14th member looks younger than Aqua. It's just not possible. I'd say the 14th member looks about Roxas' age. Aqua, in the time of BBS, looks a few years older than that. Even if Nobodies don't age, that would be impossible. And Nobodies do age, by the way. Namine is distinctly older in KH2 than she was in Re:CoM.

[exile0025]

she could be the enemy kh3

[Eternal Session]

Didn't read the older posts, so sorry if this has been already said... Anyway, i had that exact theory too, and Nomura has already kind of confirmed Aqua isn't playable in Birth by Sleep (Though it could be her even if she was). But Aqua's age was a problem... So i just came up with this: What if the 14th member isn't actually Aqua, but someone who is to Aqua as Roxas is to Ven? I think that makes sense, and it would make the theory perfect... So discuss

it is confirm Aqua not a playable character? XDD
Well, i agree with above post.. maybe she could a new enemy in kh3

[Akino]

Guys, don't get ahead of yourself just yet. Sure, this is a good little guess. But we shouldn't be thinking about Kingdom Hearts 3 just yet. I mean, the three games were just announced!

Back on topic.

I'm not quite convinced either. Aqua = 14th member? IMO, she can look like Aqua just a little bit. But she has to be a new character all together. I mean, KH needs more original female characters. We can't just say Aqua is the 14th just because she's female and she wasn't mentioned in the BBS trailer. Therefore, we can't speculate accurately as we can.

And I agree with Theb on the darkness of her skin. If it is just the shadow because of her hood, then you cna throw as many bricks at me as you want. But yes, we need another picture to determine that she is dark-skinned or not.

[Arcantress]

WHERE CAN I FIND THIS VIDEO?! I haven't seen it yet :( :(

[Akino]

WHERE CAN I FIND THIS VIDEO?! I haven't seen it yet :( :(

No one has. All we have is text. And some screenshots/scans.

I think one (or two?) member here was lucky enough to see them in TGS.

[Arcantress]

Hm

Well dang :(

[Eternal Session]

Guys, don't get ahead of yourself just yet. Sure, this is a good little guess. But we shouldn't be thinking about Kingdom Hearts 3 just yet. I mean, the three games were just announced!

Back on topic.

I'm not quite convinced either. Aqua = 14th member? IMO, she can look like Aqua just a little bit. But she has to be a new character all together. I mean, KH needs more original female characters. We can't just say Aqua is the 14th just because she's female and she wasn't mentioned in the BBS trailer. Therefore, we can't speculate accurately as we can.

And I agree with Theb on the darkness of her skin. If it is just the shadow because of her hood, then you cna throw as many bricks at me as you want. But yes, we need another picture to determine that she is dark-skinned or not.

hm yea..
i saw from those japanese website about the tgs, they still saying it is Namine, i know Nomura has already comfirm it is not

[Sora_Hero_Of_Light]

But she's not a Nobody

[Eternal Session]

who u mean? o.o

[Repliku]

I'm not going to disagree with you about not knowing what happened to Aqua, but this doesn't convince me that the 14th member is her.

If I'm interpreting what you posted correctly, you're saying that the 14th member has to be Aqua's nobody because she's a girl, and she's not Namine. Aqua may be the only preexisting female that may fit the description. But that doesn't make her the 14th member. Why can't she be a completely new character?

And about the darkness of her skin thing. It could be shadows from the hood. It can't be proven or disproven until we see another picture, so I'm not going to argue here.

One last thing, you didn't come up with an answer about how the 14th member looks younger than Aqua. It's just not possible. I'd say the 14th member looks about Roxas' age. Aqua, in the time of BBS, looks a few years older than that. Even if Nobodies don't age, that would be impossible. And Nobodies do age, by the way. Namine is distinctly older in KH2 than she was in Re:CoM.

I'm not saying it 'absolutely' has to be Aqua's Nobody or whatever. I just am saying that with the fact that there are 'no other' eligible females in the KH storyline of the past we know of yet to fit the bill, it seems most likely it could be her. Also, I don't see how she looks much younger. Terra or Xemnas were very tall people and towered over others. She looks small there, but at the same time, she's made to with the way she is standing, and Xemnas is looking down at her and I don't even think he was on the same level of flooring as her, though I could be wrong on that. I haven't seen the video in some time.

I just at this time see no other females that would be in the Organization or have a reason with the evidence of Xemnas having ties to the Chasers of the past and with how Ven looks exactly like Roxas, and Xemnas to me, with some color changes and a bit shorter of hair, looks like Terra. In theory, I think that Xemnas was trying to get his power up and to get his Heart back because he lost it when Master Xehanort merged with him. I think he was out to gather up forces and take revenge on what remains of Master Xehanort. I could explain the whole theory I have that so far sounds good even though there are some holes in it. I might do that soon and see what you guys think. Xemnas definitely was investigating the past and doing a lot and had the armor there in front of him, which was Aqua's. So it just seems to add up unless some wrench gets tossed in.

However, my point was just that at this time, unless some new female shows up in BBS, I am not seeing another option. It cannot be Namine, because Namine was at the Castle Oblivion held prisoner and she was never considered a worthy Nobody, instead called a witch etc. Her powers were useful but she was seen as weak and pathetic. Xemnas never indoctrinated her into the Org and did not give her a name with an X in it, making it an amalgam of Kairi. Simply put, she was never a -member- of the Org.

It cannot be Kairi. Kairi was on Destiny Islands at the time and she was clearly not a Nobody. She only leaves when Axel tries to get her, Riku takes her to Twilight Town and then later Axel snags her again, to be grabbed by Saix. She was clearly in school and living there at the Islands for her year apart from the other two friends she had. She can't be an option.

Olette can't really be either. She's seen in fake Twilight Town and the real one as just some girl with two friends.

So with that being said, it is more than likely, to me, a part of Aqua, or perhaps someone else new altogether. I have thought out that perhaps it was one of the PoHs from KH1, but in the end, that just didn't seem to add up either.

[KATACHI IS KING!!]

well ur theory is very good... i still agree w/ OWH and so i dont think aqua is in Org 13

[Dredica]

The orginaztion 14th member is a girl, some one we have been introduced to, we havn't introduced to Aqua yet, so no it can't be her, we really just saw her in the secret movie, never really in person. And the guy in the cloak who was talking to Roxas, I don't know if this has been confirmed, but it didn't look like much as Xemnas, but more like Ansem from kh1.

[koolashley]

So, last night I lay awake thinking about the new KH games, then I had a sudden brainwave. This might also be 358/2 Days' connection to KH3:

Before, I never believed the idea that the 14th member is Aqua. But remember in the trailer, when Xemnas introduces her, everyone has a different expression, and Roxas' was either surprised or confused. So since Ven is connected to Roxas somehow, perhaps Roxas has a bit of Ven's memories and thought that the 14th member looked somewhat familiar.

Now when Xemnas was introducing her in the screenshot, he kind of had a sinister, satisfied kind of smile - something he doesn't normally have. Plus, he said it was a day they "must commemorate". I don't think he says that EVERY TIME they get a new member, so the 14th member must be someone special.

As for the other members' reactions, it's quite obvious they knew something about Aqua. Vexen and Larxene laughed probably because they thought it was funny seeing Aqua in an Organization cloak, something they've never seen before, and Lexaeus and Marluxia look mad because they know that having another Keyblade wielder in the Organization means trouble. Axel put his hand on his mouth because Roxas probably told him about his memories of a girl called Aqua.

I also think I found an explanation for that new cutscene regarding Xigbar and Zexion. Xemnas must've found Aqua, then started erasing her memories in the "Room Of Sleep" and kept her armor there as well. Aqua's old memories were gone by the time Roxas came into the Organization, so Xemnas let her through the "Room Of Awakening" and made her member number 14; it was such a success that Xemnas said it was a day to commemorate (another reason for Vexen's laugh).

Finally, people say that the 14th member can't be Aqua because her skin tone is darker. Well that's just the hood shadowing her. Remember, in the scene where Roxas is initiated into the Organization, it showed Xemnas face in his hood, and he was quite dark as well, wasn't he?

And all this in one night. XP

It's an awesome theory! Though, I have to say you're right; I don't think the 14th member is Aqua, mainly because I want a new character in the series.

[Ghetto]

I like this. It gives alot of good back up to a very popular theory.

[Eternal Session]

i agree with Repliku 's theory, it make a lot sense

[KissesOfKunai]

Wait, Maybe it is Aqua's Nobody that came ten years ago.

For one thing, I don't think Nobodies aged or age like humans. An example is of Zexion and he looks pretty young to me (around his twenties still), even though his other must have died AGES ago (Maybe Birth By Sleep is at the same time the Radiant Garden disappears!!) So there is a good chance that Aqua's Nobody is the one. But yes, I would LOVE more orignal females in KH.
(Whispers: Maybe then, Riku will have a non-yoai pairing ^_^)

[Larxene25]

Good theory, I didn't know there was a trailer for 358/2 Days, where did you find this trailer?

[Akino]

Good theory, I didn't know there was a trailer for 358/2 Days, where did you find this trailer?

Hm. This trailer was seen at TGS' Closed Mega-theater. Almost everyone (I think...) hasn't seen this trailer and the other two. Though, in the News & Updates section there is a three-second video of the game's game play.

The only way to see the trailer was going to TGS and watched the trailers in the theater.