New Members/Rules

[Laurence_Fox]

Mish sort of had this idea in my new member thread in the Spam Zone.

New members should be sent a copy of the rules when they sign up. It could be sent to the PM box right on the site. That way they'd have one, even though I think it's not that hard to find the rule thread.

Having a copy of the rules in the inbox could cut down on the number of problems with new members and make the staff's job easier, letting them focus more on what they're supposed to be doing and not holding the textual hands of the new members.

But doing it this way might allow them to read the rules. Since we all read when we have a new message in our inboxes.

I realize a lot of people join in a day and I don't know if vB has a mass pm feature or not. It would be nice if it had a way to send it out the day a member joins automatically...but I realize that might not happen. But perhaps say the same week a member joins, a staff member could PM the new members a copy of the rules?

So...what j00 think? I realize this is merely a suggestion that could be reworked if need be.

[Pure Sorrow]

sounds great i support it

[Anderson]

If it was literally possible then yes.

It's not a bad idea since people tend to read e-mails more than posts. >>;

[Mish]

I agree with this suggestion... <_> well, obviously.

I think it is possible. I mean, there are lots of places that automatically send you a welcome message (through email or PM system) upon registration, so I don't see why it would be any different here.

[X-thor]

I agree with this suggestion since some of the n00bs can't find the rules...

I had no idea we even had rules when I first joined =P

[Peyton]

I agree with this, if it is possible that is.
And we have to make sure it isn't like the comfirming mail your supposed to get when you join, since I never got it.
If it is to be sent we have to make it properly so we're sure the members get it.

*Approves*

[Ratchet]

I totally agree with this idea. They would have no excuse not to read the rules. No more 'where's the thread' questions and it is then completely their responsibility to read and obey the rules. :noworries:

[Repliku]

I think it would be a good idea to have an email sent out at the email address we need to register any way to be a member. If you require an email to register in the first place, it may be possible to put the rules for joining on there and say if you click the link to finish activating, you agree to have read the rules or something.

[La Sofa]

I agree 100%. I love this idea a lot. It would help a lot. Because, when I first joined. I didn't even know how to make a thread. So I think it help a lot. Even I would like a copy so I could zip of the rules real quick and fast.
So I agree.

[Rosey]

I agree if its possible xD

[Catch the Rain]

I think it is a good idea in theory, but I am not sure if it is realistic, for one thing the staff have a lot to do anyway without PMing the new members copies of the rules.

There is also the fact of, look at how many members there are, then go look at how many times the rules have been viewed :P lol it doesn't quite add up :P Most members seem to pick up the rules as they go along :P

If it is possible then it is a good idea, but I think it would need to be looked at properly first ^^

[Darkwing Duck]

If it's possible, than I agree with this. It's a great idea, and it'll leave us the annoyance of members asking the same questions 100 times.
Also, if it's possible for someone to be sent a copy of the Faq....Because I'd find it extremly usefull.


EDIT: Now that I think about it, I remember being sent a copy of the rules the second I joined a vBulletin forum a few months back. So I think it's actually possible.

[Rosey]

I remember on another V Bulletin forum I was on I got sent a intro letter >_> So I deffinatly think its possible

And which FAQ <_< >_> There are two xD One made by me, the other by Sara I believe >_>

[Darkwing Duck]

I remember on another V Bulletin forum I was on I got sent a intro letter >_> So I deffinatly think its possible

And which FAQ <_< >_> There are two xD One made by me, the other by Sara I believe >_>

Uhm...both? xD
Your's more specificly though lol. :3

[FUZZY SWEATER]

Mish sort of had this idea in my new member thread in the Spam Zone.

New members should be sent a copy of the rules when they sign up. It could be sent to the PM box right on the site. That way they'd have one, even though I think it's not that hard to find the rule thread.

Having a copy of the rules in the inbox could cut down on the number of problems with new members and make the staff's job easier, letting them focus more on what they're supposed to be doing and not holding the textual hands of the new members.

But doing it this way might allow them to read the rules. Since we all read when we have a new message in our inboxes.

I realize a lot of people join in a day and I don't know if vB has a mass pm feature or not. It would be nice if it had a way to send it out the day a member joins automatically...but I realize that might not happen. But perhaps say the same week a member joins, a staff member could PM the new members a copy of the rules?

So...what j00 think? I realize this is merely a suggestion that could be reworked if need be.

i agree 100% plus tax

[Oerba Yun Fang]

kitty says aye.

[Luka]

i say nice thinking ^^

[8730]

I agree, should hopefully mean more people will actually follow them =_=

But on another vBulliten forum if something was changed in like the rules/announcement section the next time a member logged on a page appeared saying the administration want you to read this page. Would that work? =/

[cronoking]

I agree with this suggestion. It would help make things easier for the new members. Although it doesnt necessarily mean they'll actually read it, it's still a great idea.

[Love]

This sounds like a good Idea , I notice so many new members don't read the rules , and it drives me crazy .

So if this is possible , then I say awesome !!! ;D

[Ashwa <3]

I agree. It seems as if it would make things a whole lot easier...

[Laplace]

Mish sort of had this idea in my new member thread in the Spam Zone.

New members should be sent a copy of the rules when they sign up. It could be sent to the PM box right on the site. That way they'd have one, even though I think it's not that hard to find the rule thread.

Having a copy of the rules in the inbox could cut down on the number of problems with new members and make the staff's job easier, letting them focus more on what they're supposed to be doing and not holding the textual hands of the new members.

But doing it this way might allow them to read the rules. Since we all read when we have a new message in our inboxes.

I realize a lot of people join in a day and I don't know if vB has a mass pm feature or not. It would be nice if it had a way to send it out the day a member joins automatically...but I realize that might not happen. But perhaps say the same week a member joins, a staff member could PM the new members a copy of the rules?

So...what j00 think? I realize this is merely a suggestion that could be reworked if need be.

I agree with this rule, it wouls help the site a lot.

[Darkwatch]

I fully agree with this idea.

Especially because I see it on a lot of forums, and it's very handy.

+vote

[HigherBeing]

Fricken agreed.

I like good suggestions.

Go Mish.

[Laurence_Fox]

I think it is a good idea in theory, but I am not sure if it is realistic, for one thing the staff have a lot to do anyway without PMing the new members copies of the rules.

There is also the fact of, look at how many members there are, then go look at how many times the rules have been viewed :P lol it doesn't quite add up :P Most members seem to pick up the rules as they go along :P

If it is possible then it is a good idea, but I think it would need to be looked at properly first ^^

It's just a suggestion, CtR. Mish and I aren't saying that this is written in stone. It can be worked on to make it work...if that makes ANY sense.

I just think it's ridiculous that the new members get told to read the rules in the intro section and then we get all these problems. Their excuse about 7/10 is 'I can't find the thread.' This way there would be no excuse for them to not have a copy handy.

[Delicious ♥ Ambrosia]

This is a really good idea. I agree 109%

[shadowjak]

Alot of places have bots do this... Here's the thing... Every place that does that almost never has their rules read, I don't even read the rules in those PM's.

I'm not for or against this.

[Mish]

I think it is a good idea in theory, but I am not sure if it is realistic, for one thing the staff have a lot to do anyway without PMing the new members copies of the rules.
The rules would be sent automatically, not by the staff. ;P


@SJ: I'm not saying that every member would read them, I just think that it would be more likely that they'd be read if the rules were in their PM box. :3

[Ienzo]

This is good- genius idea- it would help alot I think for the staff. Good thinking! ^^

[8730]

Just to restate the alternative I suggested (that no-one seemed to notice >_>) what if instead when you log in for the first time it says the administrators would like you to view a thread and then redirect them to the thread? I have seen it done on another vBulletin forum and it works well, it also works for when important threads are updated. It's just I was thinking the mass PM sending may slow the site maybe? Although it probably won't considering the volume of PMs already sent.

[darkslayer]

I agree with this, and I know it is possible because I know other forums that I have been on did it.

[Tonks]

I guess I agree with this...
but then what would the rules section be there for? :/

[Laplace]

I guess I agree with this...
but then what would the rules section be there for? :/

For when a person had a lot of mensages and he had to delete the mensage with the rules maybe?

[Banana Split]

This is a good idea. I've seen this on many forums. It'll make it easier for those people who don't know how to click the "forum rules" section. Damn nubz.

[DarknessKingdom]

I agree.

Not only is it a good idea but now new noobs can't make the excuse that they didn't read the rules.

[Saintlikesgirls]

This is a good idea. I've seen this on many forums. It'll make it easier for those people who don't know how to click the "forum rules" section. Damn nubz.

i agree BUT just lettin you know not ALL us noobs are damned.....er...yeah.. but still i agree

[DrMario64]

Mish sort of had this idea in my new member thread in the Spam Zone.

New members should be sent a copy of the rules when they sign up. It could be sent to the PM box right on the site. That way they'd have one, even though I think it's not that hard to find the rule thread.

Having a copy of the rules in the inbox could cut down on the number of problems with new members and make the staff's job easier, letting them focus more on what they're supposed to be doing and not holding the textual hands of the new members.

But doing it this way might allow them to read the rules. Since we all read when we have a new message in our inboxes.

I realize a lot of people join in a day and I don't know if vB has a mass pm feature or not. It would be nice if it had a way to send it out the day a member joins automatically...but I realize that might not happen. But perhaps say the same week a member joins, a staff member could PM the new members a copy of the rules?

So...what j00 think? I realize this is merely a suggestion that could be reworked if need be.

No, it would not. Just because it's in their inbox doesn't mean they absolutely WILL read it.

[Laurence_Fox]

No, it would not. Just because it's in their inbox doesn't mean they absolutely WILL read it.

it's more to the point of them not having excuse to not have read the rules. Since they'd have one in the inbox besides the one on the site that no one can seem to find. ee;

[Gamefreak103]

I agree with this. (if it's possible)

[P]

Okay, I have seen a lot of noobs around that act like idiots. They advertise, speak in all caps, abuse smilies, don't spell check and are overall a rather big pain. We need to remove them, or at least cut down on them.

The catch is, banning does not seem right. They make a few mistakes, then we smash the banhammer and they are gone. People de-rep them, and they are gone. This is not right. We need to try to teach them! Everyone here has learned about using commas, capitals, periods and smilies. The thing is, the newbs are not so educated in the ways of netiquette. We need to do something to teach them. Not a ruleset, because no one reads them. A help guide to forum life is what I think we should get.

We need to write a guide to netiquette on here, and auto PM it to new members. It would be easy enough to do, and it would help, I am certain. Especially if they had to go to the guide to be able to post.

You get what I am saying, right? I have seen too many newbies do something stupid, like advertising, then it becomes a slippery slope. They get flamed, and they flame back. They get nega-repped. They then make a thread about how sorry they are/how much everyone here is mean, and the fire continues to burn.

I know I am not perfect, I do my share of stupid things as well. I try to rectify my mistakes though. I know my spelling/grammar is not perfect, but I am not asking for perfection, merely newbs that can spell you as you, not "U".

We need to stop this cycle of a slippery slope! I will happily help to write the guide, just please, let me help save the newbs...

That is all I have to say, thank you for reading.

[Xendran]

You really think that they would READ it? i didn't read the rules till about 7 months after i joined.

[Sexy Sheva]

In my opinion, they shouldn't be allowed to post until they have checked a sort of box that they have read the rules... And if they don't, they shouldn't be let off the hook cause of being a noob... It would've been their responsibility to read the rules...

[Delicious ♥ Ambrosia]

&[K i t t y];1740682']In my opinion, they shouldn't be allowed to post until they have checked a sort of box that they have read the rules... And if they don't, they shouldn't be let off the hook cause of being a noob... It would've been their responsibility to read the rules...

XD Ok, I would have checked that long before I read the rules...

Doesn't really change anything...

[Mielé]

You really think that they would READ it? i didn't read the rules till about 7 months after i joined.

dude, i still haven't read the rules i just got told what to do and stuck by that >___>

and to answer to Pika_power, if there's one thing on this planet i hate, it's n00bs that join, stay on for what, 3 days then get owned by a member who's been on the site for more then a year and they never return again so i say, DESTROY THEM ALL

[P]

You really think that they would READ it? i didn't read the rules till about 7 months after i joined.

Perhaps, perhaps not. If it were simple language, and able to be followed easily, then they might.

I still feel it should be there, for those who do wish to learn the ways of the internet. I had to learn what to do and what not to do over time, with experience. Why not attempt to lay it out in a simple format? It could be PMed to newbs on the slippery slope. It might get read then. They would realize that it could be their salvation.

Corny, I know. I would just feel so much better about seeing the newbs get banned if I knew the option for enlightenment was there.

Konoha! You have hit it. That is what happens. If those newbs instead got a regulation to follow, a procedure to use, they may not get owned!

The rules, let's face it, are not what I want. They are not good. They stink. Newbs get given the rules and told to read them. That is it. The rules do not tell you how to be respected. I am hoping the guide would.

[Starry :D]

It's the way of the forum... It's what the newbies do. And we tell it to them straight. It's like teaching a child to walk. Baby steps ^^

[Laurence_Fox]

I suggested something like this a few months ago. I suggested that new members would be auto PM'd a copy of the rules the day they joined. Nothing happened. I don't think a consensus was even reached before the thread was locked.

Simple answer is, it's not realistic. But I agree flaming them isn't the answer. If they advertise etc. then the answer would be to educate them on what they are doing wrong. Repeat offenders should be reported to staff who would decide best what to do with them.

I realize it is annoying when people respond: 'lol I didn't know.' Particularly when the rules are one of the first threads on the front page. That's just ignorance on their part for not seeing a section called 'The Rules' and then blatantly ignoring it.

Educating them before flaming is what I'm saying. Let them better themselves as members of a forum to get past the newbie stage before they devolve into noobs.

[P]

The thing is, we give the baby a rug to learn to walk on, (the rules) then leave it alone. When the baby eventually strays off the rug, we pick it up and hurl it against the wall until it stops breathing, or bounces onto the rug again. Usually it stops breathing first.

I want to give those babies a rail around that rug, something for them to hold onto while trying to walk, and something to help keep them on the rug.

Laurence, I understand what you mean. But the thing is, usually the flamers get there first. I have tried to defend a newb-n00b from a flamethrower. The thing is, the flamethrower burnt them, then a mod came and banned them before I could teach them. I want to teach them before they break the rules.

[Lady Beatrice]

Well, maybe people should just stop replying to their 'Newbishness' in a mean way...Like if they advertise, or write illiterately, we should PM a reply in a NICE way (meaning not: "OH MY GOD YOU STUPID NOOB GO AWAY!!! YOU CANT SPELL, LEARN HOW TO READ! YOU'RE MAKING MY EYES BLEED.)
That way they'll read it and they wont hate it. I think there should be a warning system too, so then if they continue to do it, eventually it will be fair to ban them...

[P]

Or we could have a short and sweet guide to forum life to link to. What person is going to spend time typing out a reply like that? (Fine, a few will, but many won't) People jump on a bandwagon and burn the witch.

We need to teach them before they make a mistake. I know thinking every single one will read it is unrealistic, but if it saves even one newbie, I think we should try it. We can link to it if there is a newbie misbehaving. It could save them from falling further down a slippery slope.

[Hubba-Bubba-Bubbles]

i think this is a really good idea even though i'm probobly one of these people that don't use comas and periods i still think it's a good i dea

[Destined]

At first I thought you were hinting at some sort of genocide and i was going to leave the thread fast, but I agree it's a problem, but I doubt even if there was a guidelines to post for new members that it would be enough. I'm not saying lets ban the new kids, but it's something that we are going to have to just buck up and deal with.

[P]

No, it would not be enough. Nothing will ever be enough.

But it will almost certainly help somebody. Quite often, a newbie's excuse is ignorance. I try to help, but by then, they are being flamed to hell and back.

I just want the opportunity for noobs to better themselves.

It can help normal members too. A year old member can still be a complete... ahem.

Anyway, why not? Is there a downside? I am sure I could find people to help, so it would be next to no effort for the Admins.

Even if it only helps one in ten newbies, that is ten percent less who cause spam, and ten percent more who do good posts.

Contrary to popular opinion, there are newbies who want to learn to become good members. That is how I am here, and how everyone else is. I only wish to make the jump from newbie to respected member easier.

[Vivi's Dark Side]

The thing is, people wont care, it wont be a case of "Oh look, a walkthrough to being smart on the internet," it'll be "hey we think you might be a horrible speller and break rules and stuff, read this or be banned", which personally it would piss me off if i was sent a guidebook as soon as I joined a forum where I'm meant to enjoy my self.


People are bad spellers, this much is a certain, not everyone can word letters together to preform coherant chains of words without there being severe errors in the process, it's a fact of internet life.

People SHOULD NOT advertise, it's in the rules, if they fail to read them this is there problem, we don't just slap on bans to people as soon as they do it, they are warned and hopefully they will stop, if not it's their own fault.

People Like smilies, we wouldn't put them on the site if they weren't intended to be used, and there's no limit to how many you can use in a post or a day, people put as many as they like, sure it seems a little childish when someone puts 20 of the same one at the end a post, but who are we to judge them? If they enjoy it go for it, it's not breaking a rule and it's not making people mad, if it is then those people have severely short fuses when it comes to annoyment.

People are people, people are unique, people will be annoyed but other people won't mind.

It's just a way of life, and you'll have to deal with it.

Beat out.

[P]

The thing is, it would be a guide to tidying up your posts. It need not be mandatory, but I would like somewhere where newbs could progress.

It is only a "Read this or be banned" thing if that is how it is advertised. If it were a suggestion to have a look at it, then it may work.

The smilies are able to be abused, yes. People are allowed to do it too. The reason you put them on is so you can have a ;) every once and a while. Not to have a line of :D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D The guide would recommend against it, if you wish your posts to be tidy.

I suck at spelling. I know this. I have an in-built spellchecker for my browser. In the guide, people could be directed towards one of these.

By no means is it meant to be a second rules. No one reads the rules. It would be a helpful suggestion.

Even without the PM, I still think as a sticky in the introduce yourself area it could do good.

[Vivi's Dark Side]

Again, most people would not even bother to read the sticky, because, well who gives a rats ass? And telling people to go get a spell checker would just be another scenario for this "Hey...You suck at spelling, use this for the love of greyskull" again something easy to be pissed at if said to.

People can make their posts as tidy as THEY want, some can look over before hitting send to fix the small "I"'s and put the "ei" the other way around for all the care, or some can just close their eyes, pray they hit the right keys and smash send not giving two flying pidgeot's, it's again down to basic human variation in the way we go about doing things.

[Fallout]

Okay, I have seen a lot of noobs around that act like idiots. They advertise, speak in all caps, abuse smilies, don't spell check and are overall a rather big pain. We need to remove them, or at least cut down on them.

The catch is, banning does not seem right. They make a few mistakes, then we smash the banhammer and they are gone. People de-rep them, and they are gone. This is not right. We need to try to teach them! Everyone here has learned about using commas, capitals, periods and smilies. The thing is, the newbs are not so educated in the ways of netiquette. We need to do something to teach them. Not a ruleset, because no one reads them. A help guide to forum life is what I think we should get.

We need to write a guide to netiquette on here, and auto PM it to new members. It would be easy enough to do, and it would help, I am certain. Especially if they had to go to the guide to be able to post.

You get what I am saying, right? I have seen too many newbies do something stupid, like advertising, then it becomes a slippery slope. They get flamed, and they flame back. They get nega-repped. They then make a thread about how sorry they are/how much everyone here is mean, and the fire continues to burn.

I know I am not perfect, I do my share of stupid things as well. I try to rectify my mistakes though. I know my spelling/grammar is not perfect, but I am not asking for perfection, merely newbs that can spell you as you, not "U".

We need to stop this cycle of a slippery slope! I will happily help to write the guide, just please, let me help save the newbs...

That is all I have to say, thank you for reading.

Seriously, this has been discussed on various Forums for a long time.

'Newbs' can learn without a silly guide.

Like posted above..who in their right mind would read the guide? xD

[iwantedtoexplode]

We should totally make new members take an oath. Have an image of what they have to type so they can't just copy and paste it....Yes, I am joking, that would be really boring and drastic for just a forum, but I do think it would help at least a little.

[P]

Again, most people would not even bother to read the sticky, because, well who gives a rats ass? And telling people to go get a spell checker would just be another scenario for this "Hey...You suck at spelling, use this for the love of greyskull" again something easy to be pissed at if said to.

People can make their posts as tidy as THEY want, some can look over before hitting send to fix the small "I"'s and put the "ei" the other way around for all the care, or some can just close their eyes, pray they hit the right keys and smash send not giving two flying pidgeot's, it's again down to basic human variation in the way we go about doing things.

But some people honestly do not know the smilie abuse is frowned upon. Some people do not know that making an apology thread is stupid. Some people do not know that making your first post in the spamzone is usually a bad idea.

Just a few examples. People may not know that txt tlk is disliked.

The guide would help. And even if only one person reads it, then the guide has served its purpose.

One last thing, do you really think that the way things are now is good? Give some ideas to change it, 'cause it sure as hell won't fix itself on its own.

[Fallout]

But some people honestly do not know the smilie abuse is frowned upon. Some people do not know that making an apology thread is stupid. Some people do not know that making your first post in the spamzone is usually a bad idea.

Just a few examples. People may not know that txt tlk is disliked.

The guide would help. And even if only one person reads it, then the guide has served its purpose.

One last thing, do you really think that the way things are now is good? Give some ideas to change it, 'cause it sure as hell won't fix itself on its own.


This is one of the best and most popular Forums on the internet. (For KH anyway) Things are great here.



Like Beat said, the 'newbs' won't care. They want to start posting. Even if we PM them constantly with advice. They have to learn on their own time. And, if not, they are banned. That is all that can be done.

[Vivi's Dark Side]

New people are classed into two groups here

Noobs and Newbs

Newbs are the folk who would've read the rules, who do post an intro post first, who will learn from the veterans and become better over time on their own, which is what we strive for, self improvement without outside help

Noobs don't really care, they're here to post and god damn they'll do it in any fashion they want, they wont read the rules or the guide so both are meaningless to them, some might turn out good after awhile, though most suffer from their idiocy of not paying attention and me call them banned members.

Simple as.

[Repliku]

Really, as I've seen, most people get 3 warnings and are then given a temp ban in most cases if it is for something like this. Also, they DO have rules sections in quite a few forums, let alone the area dedicated to them and if they don't read them, and cannot take the warnings well...what's the problem with banning them or they leave?

Also, rep is not something that the admins and mods are doing to people. Heck, I have yet to derep someone either and could care less to. The point is that rep is uncontrolled but if anyone feels they were wronged all they have to do is message one of the admins to check it out. If the rules were read, this would be known too.

So in seriousness, there already is a fair amount of attention that goes to 'training' a person who wants to act silly so he/she knows what is too ridiculous to accept. Some of this is also 'commonsense' so maybe I'm among the few that sees it in a way that they get more than enough leeway to adapt or go. I don't mind new people and think it's great to have new people coming along. However, if someone is going to act the part of a n00b, well they just aren't being very considerate of others at all by not reading the rules and not asking or listening to warnings. New people = great. n00bs = annoying. If n00bs take off, ta ta for now.

[P]

You make it sound so clear cut, Repliku. The only problem is that n00bs came onto the forum to post, but have no idea there is something called netiquette. N00bs are still human, not bots, nor necessarily trolls. They still can be brought over to the good side. The thing is, it is so damn hard to do.


From what I have seen, n00bs post three bad things, then go AFK. They come back to find themselves banned/flammed.

[Repliku]

Well, I guess then that if you want to try to convert a noob to not being such a dork, then by all means try to get them before their time is up. As I said, they do get warnings and such and there is time to act if caught. However, I don't think rules can be modified for them anymore than for anyone else. Perhaps though if someone says 'here's the rules link' and gives it to them, it might deter a couple out of many. Many n00bs don't care.

[P]

But a rules link does little. I really think a guide about how to behave would be better. No one reads rules, because they are just rules. Guidelines are suggestions, and people prefer them.

What about those who do not know about netiquette?

[daxma]

Everyone is always going on about how noobs don't follow the rules.I think the in the first time
a person logs in thast they are automatically directed to the rules section with a small note saying;
Please read these rules before you enter the other parts of the Forum.
Or an Auto PM saying the very same thing instead.What do you guys think.

[Hubba-Bubba-Bubbles]

i like this idea but what if they still don't read them

[daxma]

We could make it compulsory to read the rules before entering the forum.

[Hubba-Bubba-Bubbles]

oh that would work well then i agree on this suggestion

[Dredica]

But, click on it, don't read it, enter forum.

[Hubba-Bubba-Bubbles]

that is true but it's still a pretty good idea beacuae some of them might read it and others won't

[Vivi's Dark Side]

This has been suggested countless times, the matter of the fact is, some people just wont read them, and those who will would've went to find the rules on their own, so there's no point.

[Repliku]

I am confused by what you mean. Maybe some elaboration to explain 'why' the rules exist could be done but a whole guide to making a n00b become a new person people will like because suddenly they use commonsense and show some sign of social skills...most n00bs don't want to learn that or they are just playing around and don't care. They aren't that new to the internet itself if they actually found us and could sign on the forums in the first place. Also, normally after someone is warned, isn't that a good indication that the person needs to shape up?

[Fallout]

But a rules link does little. I really think a guide about how to behave would be better. No one reads rules, because they are just rules.


You just totally, in that post, bashed your idea. No one reads guides to being better, because they're just guides.

I understand your intentions. They're great, but no one would look at the guide. Srry. =[

[Catch the Rain]

You know what? I am going to be very blunt here, this thread pisses me off no end.

How intimidating do you think it would be for people to join up, possibly to their first forum, and be hit by a guide "lol this is because we expect you to **** up".

This place is meant to be friendly, not a boot camp. So what if people use a lot of smilies? It doesn't hurt anyone, so what if some people have a lower ability in spelling, some people have trouble with that.

As long as people aren't offensive or don't blatantly disregard the rules then leave them be.


Who are we to decide who is a noob and who is a worthy member? I will not watch this forum sink into elitist bullshit like a million other sites. Members are members, none are higher or more superior than others. Hell a lot of the higher up members still haven't read the rules.

Unless a "noob" is causing serious damage, then I see no problem.

I commend your intentions and your ideas, but I don't agree.

[daxma]

Sorry Pika but i've Got to agree with my attractive friend here.We aren't
KHInsider who intimidate all the noobs.One of the Main reasons i'm on here
is because i know their are nice people like CtR to Cheer me up when i'm at
my lowest moments.People that will listen to problems and help you fix them
and you in return help them back.This is one time i'm not agreeing with you Pika.

[Nashida]

Reposting this here, but instead of trying to force the rules, how about watching the first few posts?

I may have mentioned something like this in the past (cant remember), but another forum I go to has this policy where, as a newbie, your first 10 posts have to be approved by an admin or a moderator. This is to see that you can actually follow the rules without causing trouble.

I don't know how this would work here, never mind whether Neku or any of the the other admins will be able to enforce this, but that way if the post is irrelevant to the topic, spammy, or advertising, the mod chooses not to have it appear on the thread. There's no flaming, the newbie learns if a note is written as to why the post(s) weren't allowed, and if it appears that this person will be a problem, then they can get banned.

Too harsh?

[Vivi's Dark Side]

You know what? I am going to be very blunt here, this thread pisses me off no end.


How intimidating do you think it would be for people to join up, possibly to their first forum, and be hit by a guide "lol this is because we expect you to **** up".

This place is meant to be friendly, not a boot camp. So what if people use a lot of smilies? It doesn't hurt anyone, so what if some people have a lower ability in spelling, some people have trouble with that.

As long as people aren't offensive or don't blatantly disregard the rules then leave them be.


Who are we to decide who is a noob and who is a worthy member? I will not watch this forum sink into elitist bullshit like a million other sites. Members are members, none are higher or more superior than others. Hell a lot of the higher up members still haven't read the rules.

Unless a "noob" is causing serious damage, then I see no problem.

I commend your intentions and your ideas, but I don't agree.



This is what i've been trying to say D: god damn you people, you only listen to her because she's godessly attractive >.>

[Shiki]

You know what? I am going to be very blunt here, this thread pisses me off no end.

How intimidating do you think it would be for people to join up, possibly to their first forum, and be hit by a guide "lol this is because we expect you to **** up".

This place is meant to be friendly, not a boot camp. So what if people use a lot of smilies? It doesn't hurt anyone, so what if some people have a lower ability in spelling, some people have trouble with that.

As long as people aren't offensive or don't blatantly disregard the rules then leave them be.


Who are we to decide who is a noob and who is a worthy member? I will not watch this forum sink into elitist bullshit like a million other sites. Members are members, none are higher or more superior than others. Hell a lot of the higher up members still haven't read the rules.

Unless a "noob" is causing serious damage, then I see no problem.

I commend your intentions and your ideas, but I don't agree.



I agree with you the most CTR. I wouldn't want to scare away all of the nice people. I mean, eventually they will learn to type good. I even was bad at first but I got better as I learned more from other members. Especially putting and spell checking to see if I spelt "the" wrong. I used to put "teh" all the time before I had gotten the proper etiquette. So please, could this be closed since the suggestion has been declined and given a reasonably good answer to not be taken?

[Catch the Rain]

Post :3

Are you aware how many new members we get? Not to mention the fact that some people don't post at first, they could be a member for like a months before they start posting, I would have hoped that most people know how to act after that long.

Look, the way I see it is, why make EVERYONE suffer and subject EVERYONE to guidelines and strict regiment style introduction, how about we play it how it already is.

If there is a problem, the staff will deal with it, oddly enough guys we do know how to do our job. If you feel someone is a seriously life threatening noob then PM one of us or something, but I am not going to put my backing behind an idea that is so degrading to new members, ecause that is what it is. DEGRADING.

Give people a chance, remember newb =/= noob, not every new person is a noob, likewise not every noob is new.

I say no.



Beat <333

[daxma]

This is what i've been trying to say D: god damn you people, you only listen to her because she's godessly attractive >.>Yes thats exactly why we listen to her because she merely graces us with her Presence.





I agree with you the most CTR. I wouldn't want to scare away all of the nice people. I mean, eventually they will learn to type good. I even was bad at first but I got better as I learned more from other members. Especially putting and spell checking to see if I spelt "the" wrong. I used to put "teh" all the time before I had gotten the proper etiquette. So please, could this be closed since the suggestion has been declined and given a reasonably good answer to not be taken?Yes this should be closed because it serves no constructive purpose.You tell them Silly...I mean "Shiki" *Shifty eye's*.



Are you aware how many new members we get? Not to mention the fact that some people don't post at first, they could be a member for like a months before they start posting, I would have hoped that most people know how to act after that long.

Look, the way I see it is, why make EVERYONE suffer and subject EVERYONE to guidelines and strict regiment style introduction, how about we play it how it already is.

If there is a problem, the staff will deal with it, oddly enough guys we do know how to do our job. If you feel someone is a seriously life threatening noob then PM one of us or something, but I am not going to put my backing behind an idea that is so degrading to new members, ecause that is what it is. DEGRADING.

Give people a chance, remember newb =/= noob, not every new person is a noob, likewise not every noob is new.

I say no.



Beat <333Ya nash i completely agree with my Goddess of Beauty and fairness.You should give them a good chance to grow.If they turn into bad seeds like Boris the Bald i mean, Blade then they'll be banned but other than that they will turn into accomplished members on this Forum.All of us were a noob at one point or another but we grew from Positivity not negitivity.

[Shiki]

CTR you're right about some members not postion for months. I am a guilty one for that. I didn't start posting until about October. And yes, we shouldn't just make all members suffer having to check and read all of the rules. I seriously doubt that some of you that have posted in this thread have touched the rules either. Who's to say that Pika didn't read the rules the first second she had when she joined? So please, don't make our newest members be shot down because of their typing difficulties.

Daxma, learn that my name is Shiki now please? XD

[Neku]

CtR nails it on the head, Not one more of these threads got it?

[Revelry]

no. this is a democracy as far as I can tell.

theres an ignore button for a reason. People follow the rules or they gtfo. So what if they're spammy or what not. We cant force anyone to do anything.

automatically directing people to the rules section is foolish. It'll only make people spite this site.

Its a two way street: we may think they're dumbasses but they'll think we're strict *******s who hate fun, when really people are good around here.

Pika is my friend, but his idea of teaching people (from the other thread) cannot work...the internet is endless...and whose going to do it? I have my fair share of greeting people and introducing myself when they join but I'm not going to list all the "do's and donts", and it would make me look like an ******* if I said "uh ya, can you not smile too much? kthxbai"

i've got no power in this but you should know i dont agree =/

besides...neku said no more threads like this...

[Xegreny]

Lawl.

This is like, trying to lead a horse to water. No matter how hard you try, you can't make it drink. Most of the noobs won't read the rules.

If they do post something foolish, there's this MAAGIICALL little feature that EVERY computer has. It's called scrolling. You can scroll right on past their posts! 8D!