The 14th Member discussion thread.

[Oerba Yun Fang]

This will be the main thread for discussing about the mysterious 14th member. There have simply been too many about it.

All other threads will be closed.

If you have theories etc post them here, but if you think it may be consider a spoiler then please say so.

[#1 DinestyX]

I have this to say...I am 98% sure this 14th member is not Aqua! The 14th member looks around Ven's age (not saying the 14th member is Ven just using him for an example) and we can see Aqua is older, and taller then Ven. I just wanted to say that.

[Paladin12345678]

I agree, it is entirely possible that she is Aqua, most obviously because she has dark skin. THough I really wonder about her significance, and if she's significant then why the hell didn't Roxas remember her?

[Oerba Yun Fang]

I agree, it is entirely possible that she is Aqua, most obviously because she has dark skin. THough I really wonder about her significance, and if she's significant then why the hell didn't Roxas remember her?

Perhaps Roxas never had the chance to met her.

[#1 DinestyX]

I was thinking mabbie she came in after Roxas left the Organuzashon

[Cocohints]

*thank heavens for this thread, Kitty*

I was thinking mabbie she came in after Roxas left the Organuzashon

I thought everyone were present when Xemnas introdused her..?

[HOSPITAL, STAT!]

For the moment the only notable trait which disproves the Aqua being the 14th Member theory is the color skin, like Paladin already brought up. In the scans, the member appears to have a dark tone, much like Xemnas himself.

Will prolly be a link between the two?

[Akino]

Thank you for making this thread, kitty! x]

Anywhoo~
Though the 14th member may have dark skin, maybe the hood has casted a shadow over her face to give off she has dark skin? (Highly doubt it, though.) What makes her more interesting is why she was put into the organization. She must serve a great purpose for the game now, will she?

Paladin, you have a really good point you have brought up. Why didn't Roxas remember her? Maybe DiZ didn't want him to remember her... he was the one who erased all his memories during his time in the organization right?

[Thebazilly]

Just going to put in my two cents on the XIV Member. I do not think she is Aqua. And here's some of my proof:

The proof that most people hang their assumption on is the video in KH2: FM+, where Xemnas enters the Room of Sleep and converses with Aqua's armor. But also in that video, Xigbar and Zexion are talking about the Organization. Xigbar has been ordered by Xemnas to recruit new members. And he says the newest member at that time is MARLUXIA. It's also obvious that Aqua is not alive/a regular human any longer, since Xemnas has possession of her armor and Keyblade. If Aqua had become a Nobody, Xigbar would have recruited her into the Organization then. But the latest member was Marluxia, and not Quaax or something like that.

I have some more evidence as well, if you'd like to argue with me.

[#1 DinestyX]

yah! people that thinks Aqua isn't the 14th member

[koolashley]

Just going to put in my two cents on the XIV Member. I do not think she is Aqua. And here's some of my proof:

The proof that most people hang their assumption on is the video in KH2: FM+, where Xemnas enters the Room of Sleep and converses with Aqua's armor. But also in that video, Xigbar and Zexion are talking about the Organization. Xigbar has been ordered by Xemnas to recruit new members. And he says the newest member at that time is MARLUXIA. It's also obvious that Aqua is not alive/a regular human any longer, since Xemnas has possession of her armor and Keyblade. If Aqua had become a Nobody, Xigbar would have recruited her into the Organization then. But the latest member was Marluxia, and not Quaax or something like that.

I have some more evidence as well, if you'd like to argue with me.

Instead of agruing, I'm adding on...

That all happened ten or eleven years before any of the Kingdom Hearts stuff ever happened.

[DarkRiku416]

I think the 14th member's gonna be the nobody of Aqua's decendent. And she also get's the keyblade cause Aqua chose her daughter, the half of the 14th. Unfortunately, the nobody died as soon as the first mission ended.

[Akino]

^^^

I believe the 14th won't have a keyblade for a weapon, or isn't related to Aqua in anyway. (They can make her look like her just a little bit, not not related.) But if they were somewhat connected, that'd make more sense. Though, Square won't be making her dissapear after her first mission. She is a KEY character in the game, so she'll be hanging on for a very good chunk of the game, or in other words: Until the end of the game.

[koolashley]

^^^

I believe the 14th won't have a keyblade for a weapon, or isn't related to Aqua in anyway. (They can make her look like her just a little bit, not not related.) But if they were somewhat connected, that'd make more sense. Though, Square won't be making her dissapear after her first mission. She is a KEY character in the game, so she'll be hanging on for a very good chunk of the game, or in other words: Until the end of the game.

Hmm...good point there. I also think she will be there for the whole game so we find out what happened to her.

[Sharkleg]

I believe that the 14th member has something to do with Kairi and Namine.

[#1 DinestyX]

I believe that the 14th member has something to do with Kairi and Namine.

I agrea! I was thinking mabbie since there is 4 rouds (light dark dawn and twilight) then mabie there r 4 difrent things...like this

light: sombody= Kiari
dark: heartless
twilight: nobody= namine
dawn: sonpting totaly new= the 14th member???


c what I meen?

[Sora_Hero_Of_Light]

I don't think Aqua is XIV. To be in the Organization you have to be a Nobody and I don't think Aqua will die, or become a Nobody. As for element I think that she could be Cure and at the end she dies because she lacks power and she was out of MP.

[#1 DinestyX]

hmmm...I see what u meen

[Akino]

Well, I don't think Square will make XIV connected with Namine or Kairi at all. I mean, then that would just make Kairi look more of a mary-sue than she already is. (And Kairi really needs to have a good comeback in the next installment, not make it worse.)

Kingdom Hearts also needs more oringinal female characters. And Aqua or her nobody doesn't really cut it.

[koolashley]

Well, I don't think Square will make XIV connected with Namine or Kairi at all. I mean, then that would just make Kairi look more of a mary-sue than she already is. (And Kairi really needs to have a good comeback in the next installment, not make it worse.)

Kingdom Hearts also needs more oringinal female characters. And Aqua or her nobody doesn't really cut it.

Lol that's true, but it would still be interesting seeing the XIV Member being somehow connected to Aqua, Kairi, and Namine (Olette would somehow be acceptible, and Larxene would be enemies with her...). If the XIV Member was Aqua's Nobody, she'd be older, by nine years, probably almost as old as Vexen.

A list of "original" (as you say, Akino) female characters include (in order of appearance):
Kairi, Larxene, Namine`, Olette, Aqua, XIV Member.

There's only six, so I would agree with you.

[Akino]

Lol that's true, but it would still be interesting seeing the XIV Member being somehow connected to Aqua, Kairi, and Namine (Olette would somehow be acceptible, and Larxene would be enemies with her...). If the XIV Member was Aqua's Nobody, she'd be older, by nine years, probably almost as old as Vexen.

Interesting, yes. But interesting to see how Square will pull it off and not making Kairi look more mary-sue. (Chick is ticking me off now.) But, I don't want XIV being connected to any other characters (that are already introduced) in any way. I mean, I want her to be the mysterious character many fans want to know more about.

What I'm saying is, I want her somebody to be someone we aren't introduced to yet. (E.G. - New character that'll be in KH3 or from BBS) That'd make her a whole new female character some fans have been waiting for for some time.

And Ashley... good point...really good point. She'd totally be older looking than what the scans give us. SO adding on to the '14th member not be Aqua or her nobody' list.

[Luka]

I have this to say...I am 98% sure this 14th member is not Aqua! The 14th member looks around Ven's age (not saying the 14th member is Ven just using him for an example) and we can see Aqua is older, and taller then Ven. I just wanted to say that.

I approve this xD
i hope her element is vaccum and she uses two claws as weapons =O

[koolashley]

I approve this xD
i hope her element is vaccum and she uses two claws as weapons =O

Lol like some sort of Black Hole person, and steals Larxene's weapons...I'd like that:sly:

[Cocohints]

I still like the idea of a fan as a weapon, it could introduce a whole lotta different battle than with the others of the Organisation.

[#1 DinestyX]

I still like the idea of a fan as a weapon, it could introduce a whole lotta different battle than with the others of the Organisation.

yah that would b cool

[Ultima Wepon]

that could be awsome though, it would be copywrighting, wait a minute ,that is unnessisery. either way continue.

[Cocohints]

that could be awsome though, it would be copywrighting, wait a minute ,that is unnessisery. either way continue.

..
what would be breaking the copyright? :/

[Wing]

well i don't think the 14th is aqua theres to way to long a time gap for her to look so "young" Now i know we haven't see to much of her, but still you can tell by looking at the other members they are "older" and she lookes like Roxas's age, little older maybe...as fas who she could be? most likly an orig**** character whcich is what we all want lol i mean think about it, all the other Org 13 members were original and only in KhCOM and KH2, so why would she be any different? i'm thinking he element maybe twilight, and her weapon is some sort of sword that will maximize her ability to use the power that all nobodies should be able to control rather then darkness...cause werent they turned away by darkness and light? so they'd all be in twilight...using twilight portals not Dark corridors...anyways, back to the point. The 14th member is not Aqua, Xemnas would have made a much bigger fuss about her if that were the case. I Think she makes it untill Roxas is almost ready to leav the Organization and maybe she gives him the info on sora and such and causes him to want to leave, shes found out and is "taken care of" much like Marluxa....thats my thoguht....

[Xaale]

I think the weapon should be a fan or a whip or something. I don't know how well the whip would suit her but....oh and does it have a U.S. release date?

[Bubble Master Califa]

well i don't think the 14th is aqua theres to way to long a time gap for her to look so "young" Now i know we haven't see to much of her, but still you can tell by looking at the other members they are "older" and she lookes like Roxas's age, little older maybe...as fas who she could be? most likly an orig**** character whcich is what we all want lol i mean think about it, all the other Org 13 members were original and only in KhCOM and KH2, so why would she be any different? i'm thinking he element maybe twilight, and her weapon is some sort of sword that will maximize her ability to use the power that all nobodies should be able to control rather then darkness...cause werent they turned away by darkness and light? so they'd all be in twilight...using twilight portals not Dark corridors...anyways, back to the point. The 14th member is not Aqua, Xemnas would have made a much bigger fuss about her if that were the case. I Think she makes it untill Roxas is almost ready to leav the Organization and maybe she gives him the info on sora and such and causes him to want to leave, shes found out and is "taken care of" much like Marluxa....thats my thoguht....

Nobodies don't age or that's what I read somewhere (sorry if the source is unreliable but I'm doing my best). but this 14th member could have been a nobody for god know how long really so don't say she can't be Aqua because she can but that doesn't mean she will be Aqua either. My money is on a brand new character connected to someone we know well in the game being her identity.

[Twilight's Rose]

Haven't you all wondered whats the 14th member's weapon? We have the choises of a dagger, a bow and arrow, a trident, a whip and a katana. I personally think that it will be a whip.

And the element, she might not have an element and her weapons does all the dirty work.

[Xaale]

Thank you Marluxia Rose. At least SOMEONE else believes her weapon should be a whip. I don't have a playstation, so I don't know much about Kingdom Hearts aside from Chain of Memories and forums. I do know that this person could be Aqua but I don't know don't most Nobodys have x's in their names =P Oh and I'm new. How do you set an avatar?

lol never mind I figured out how to set the avatar!

[Cocohints]

Oh, there's MANY MORE possibilitties of a weapon or element... We've already done pages of discussing, just look and see what I mean. *obviously they're gonna continue here in this new thread*

Weapon (http://kh-vids.net/showthread.php?t=29214)

Element (http://kh-vids.net/showthread.php?t=29195)

[twilightsbringing]

Nomura has confirmed that the fourteenth member is not Namine. And because of that, she probably isn't Kairi either. Nomura has NOT confirmed that the fourteenth member is not Aqua. Therefore, she remains as a possible identity.
In my opinion, I don't think that the fourteenth member is a "new" original character. Why would Nomura create a new character for one game, and then erase her in the next sequel? Seems a little pointless.
Think about this: Xemnas was introduced in Kingdom Hearts Final Mix. He was then mentioned in CoM, and then became a key character in KH2. Namine was a key character in both CoM and KH2. Here's the pattern: when an original character is introduced in the Kingdom Hearts series, they are used in at least two game plots.
Therefore the fourteenth member will make another appearance after the events of "358/2 Days." Or, perhaps she already has made an appearance. Remember, "Birth by Sleep" took place 10 years in the past.
Thus, Aqua is yet again in the spotlight. Also, I notice Nomura hasn't said much about her. Aqua wasn't even in the TGS trailer apparently. What's even more strange is that she was the first knight in the KH2 Secret Ending to reveal her identity. She played a pretty big role in it, too.

[esakrreh]

The 14th member is most likely Aqua, what with Xemnas going to her armor and calling it "friend".

[FoxyGrimReapess]

THIS is only a theory on who the 14th member is.

Do you remember in the FF games where you can change the charater's name? To whatever you want it to be? I think this member is just like that. Where you can name her yourself. True it's going to be a girl, but there were games where your main charater was a guy and can ONLY rename, or name him like that. Link from the Zelda series is the perfect example of that.

I think that's what the name of her is going to be. It might be that she'll look like Aqua, but she ISN'T Aqua. I mean, looks at Ven and Roxas.

[Cocohints]

Wow... I didn't know that was possible in FF games. I do wish that KH would stay away from the renaming option tho, to me it always becomes too.... n00bish. >>;; Not personal at all contrary to what one would first asume.

[Xarsa]

Okay so maybe it is Aqua. In that scene when Xemnas says "friend" to the armour, that sorta makes us more curious. Nomura did say that he was giving sora a break and maybe Aqua will be appearing with Terra and Ven in birth by sleep. So this 14th member is probably someone knew...

about elements....it could be anything. From sound to even...candy. Maybe not. But someone said something about no weapon at all. I agree with that, well actually maybe not. Did roxas have an element? Cause I dont remember...
anyways....

'Roxas and Axel were watching the sunset from their usual spot on the station's clock tower after a long day of collecting "hearts" from the Heartless, as ordered by their organization. When their daily work ended, they often spent their evenings there. They talked about the day's work and other things over ice cream.

"Do you know why the sun looks red as it sinks below the horizon? It's because among the countless colors comprising light, red travels the greatest distance."

"You're just trying to show off, Axel!" '
well I guess maybe DiZ did erase roxas's memory. I mean he didn't even remember his best friend axel, so how's he gonna remember the 14th member whom he probably did not know well enough?

Oh and I just noticed that her coat is completely different from the sides. It looks like.....pockets. But more obvious looking ones. Compare her and larxene, she does seem a bit younger in this one scan. Which sucks. There's only one scan.

anyways its 3:14am here...

I'll be back with more theories!
I hope.

~

[Love]

For the moment the only notable trait which disproves the Aqua being the 14th Member theory is the color skin, like Paladin already brought up. In the scans, the member appears to have a dark tone, much like Xemnas himself.

Will prolly be a link between the two?


I agree with this , this girl , whoever she is , she may be related to Xemnas .

Why would Xemnas be so eager to introduce the girl to the Organization ? As I read the text at the bottom of the scans , I notice this .

Another thing about the girl not being Aqua , her frame is way too small .
Aqua apears to be as old as Larxene in the secret ending .

[celeborn81]

I get the idea that the XIV member will be a new person. Maybe she has an ability rather than an element that makes her useful to the Organization...say, I don't know, clairvoyence. >_< Maybe she ends up betraying the Org in some way too, and that's why she's not around anymore. Perhaps her betrayal was vital in moving the plot in the next games without us knowing it.

I still think it would be really awesome if her element were metal (Toph from Avatar comes to mind). Her weapon could be... a jar of EXPLOSIVE PICKLES. MUAHAHA. JK

She could have a mace... or maybe dual swords or sais or something. Maybe yoyos.

[Megakingdom]

I think it could be a new member too! There are plenty of reasons for her disapearence in KH2. She could have died, Betrayed the organization, disapeared, or...
well i can't think of anything but there are many reasons.
I can't wait to find out.:bounce:

[Bubble Master Califa]

Got a new theory of who the 14th may be but I bet it won't be true and I'll be flamed for the idea but putting it on the table isn't the worst idea right??? (What if she is a Final Fantasy character? It's possible but very unlikely I know but she sort of reminds me of Princess Garnet 'Dagger' Alexandros AKA Sara).

Well I'm ready for people to say it can't be her with evidence (or state it isn't any final fantasy girl).

[Xuan]

Assuming the 14th is a Nobody, she will have an 'X' in her name there. Anyone had any ideas what her name would be?

[Twilight's Rose]

Assuming the 14th is a Nobody, she will have an 'X' in her name there. Anyone had any ideas what her name would be?

Well, assuming that everyone is saying that she is Aqua's nobody, well... Auqax, migh be her name...

[Ghetto]

Well, assuming that everyone is saying that she is Aqua's nobody, well... Auqax, migh be her name...

I believe she is not Aqua's nobody, but actualy Aqua, since she is the only one of the Knights that didn't meet a possible end in the BBS trailer. Ven was frozen and Terra's eyes began to glow yellow and some speculate that Xehanort possesed him. Aqua is the only one who didn't have something happen to her.

[Twilight's Rose]

I believe she is not Aqua's nobody, but actualy Aqua, since she is the only one of the Knights that didn't meet a possible end in the BBS trailer. Ven was frozen and Terra's eyes began to glow yellow and some speculate that Xehanort possesed him. Aqua is the only one who didn't have something happen to her.

people think tha she survived the war but, can't the war be an event thats suppose to happen before the final battle between MX?

[micketymike]

I believe she is not Aqua's nobody, but actualy Aqua, .

i agree completly

[Xuan]

Exactly. If Aqua has a Nobody, her name wouldn't fit either, it sounds so wierd. Base on this, no matter whether its Aqua or Aqua's Nobody that becomes a member of Organization XIII, we can safely rule out Aqua as a possible candidate. Which means we're on a dead end, this is a new character. the 14th member is a new character.

[twilightsbringing]

Exactly. If Aqua has a Nobody, her name wouldn't fit either, it sounds so wierd. Base on this, no matter whether its Aqua or Aqua's Nobody that becomes a member of Organization XIII, we can safely rule out Aqua as a possible candidate. Which means we're on a dead end, this is a new character. the 14th member is a new character.

You're forgetting something: Namine. I don't see an "X" in her name. She is a nobody. Believe me, there are no dead ends.

[Ixenin]

You're forgetting something: Namine. I don't see an "X" in her name. She is a nobody. Believe me, there are no dead ends.
Namine is not a part of Organization XIII.

If it really was Aqua as some people think, wouldn't she look older? BBS is set in the past. The girl in the picture looks too young to be her.

[twilightsbringing]

Namine is not a part of Organization XIII.

If it really was Aqua as some people think, wouldn't she look older? BBS is set in the past. The girl in the picture looks too young to be her.

Good point. Namine is a special nobody. However, she is the only nobody we know that doesn't have an "X" in her name.
I still don't understand why everyone thinks the fourteenth is young. Sure, I wouldn't say she is "old," but I really can't judge her age with her hood up. Plus, the camera is at a downward angle, which tends to make people look shorter. If the trailer leaks, we should be able to get a better idea of what she looks like.
The reasons why a lot of people think she is Aqua:
*She is a "key" character
*Xemnas was talking to her armor in his room (which is really weird) O.o
*Xemnas introduces the fourteenth member to rest of the Organization
*She does not appear in Kingdom Hearts 2, neither does the fourteenth
*Nomura has not confirmed that she is a "new" character
Some reasons why people think she is NOT Aqua:
*Too young (?)
*Why would she know Xemnas? (don't even get me started with my theories)
*Some people think she's dead (no proof behind that theory)

[Xuan]

And the name. Unless Aqua used a fake name like Xemnas (An 'X' in Ansem, but in fact his true name is not Ansem but Xehanort), there's no way we can put an X into Aqua.

And Namine is not even a member of Organization XIII! That's why she's not branded an 'X'!

[#1 DinestyX]

I believe she is not Aqua's nobody, but actualy Aqua, since she is the only one of the Knights that didn't meet a possible end in the BBS trailer. Ven was frozen and Terra's eyes began to glow yellow and some speculate that Xehanort possesed him. Aqua is the only one who didn't have something happen to her.

I have three things to say about this

1. Just because Ven was frose dosn't meen he's dead...we saw him move his eyes showing he's alive.

2. I do not beleave Aqua could have a nobody beacuse maybe this is the part of the game that was in the past...before heartless, because I didn't see one heartless or nobodey. did anyone else?

3. I do not think she could be Aqua because she has darker scin and looks about Roxas/Vens age. we all could tell there was a nice age/hight diffrence betwean Aqua and Ven

[Darkwatch]

Good point. Namine is a special nobody. However, she is the only nobody we know that doesn't have an "X" in her name.
I still don't understand why everyone thinks the fourteenth is young. Sure, I wouldn't say she is "old," but I really can't judge her age with her hood up. Plus, the camera is at a downward angle, which tends to make people look shorter. If the trailer leaks, we should be able to get a better idea of what she looks like.
The reasons why a lot of people think she is Aqua:
*She is a "key" character
*Xemnas was talking to her armor in his room (which is really weird) O.o
*Xemnas introduces the fourteenth member to rest of the Organization
*She does not appear in Kingdom Hearts 2, neither does the fourteenth
*Nomura has not confirmed that she is a "new" character
Some reasons why people think she is NOT Aqua:
*Too young (?)
*Why would she know Xemnas? (don't even get me started with my theories)
*Some people think she's dead (no proof behind that theory)Like Xuan said, because she isn't part of Organization XIII, she doesn't have one. This also eliminates the fact that nobodies don't need X's in their names at all. I still feel like I know some people who think all nobodies need X's in their names. XD; Not any of you, I don't think, though. lol

Well we have to look at her physical traits. She looks rather young due to her skin, and pronounced body. Most body signatures fade with age, such as your hip accents (or the thing that makes your hips stick out a little. This is also one of the reasons people thought Aqua (before we knew it was Aqua) was a girl, and as well as Ven. Which also shows we can't be fully sure.). I am sure the fourteenth is probably a little young. But due to, again, camera angles and poor lighting in the picture, we can't tell if it's Naminé or someone else we already know.

[C r i S]

Come on... It can't be Aqua... I mean, do you think that 358/2 days will tell what heppen to Aqua in BBS? If her nobody appears as the 14 member we will now that she was turn into a heartless!

[Akino]

I still don't think Aqua or her nobody is the 14th, seeming that I agree with Thebazilly (on the first page) with her post.

The proof that most people hang their assumption on is the video in KH2: FM+, where Xemnas enters the Room of Sleep and converses with Aqua's armor. But also in that video, Xigbar and Zexion are talking about the Organization. Xigbar has been ordered by Xemnas to recruit new members. And he says the newest member at that time is MARLUXIA. It's also obvious that Aqua is not alive/a regular human any longer, since Xemnas has possession of her armor and Keyblade. If Aqua had become a Nobody, Xigbar would have recruited her into the Organization then. But the latest member was Marluxia, and not Quaax or something like that.

Like she said, Aqua would have been the latest member and would have a higher ranking number. But seeming that the 14th was the last one to join, this doesn't prove its Aqua or her nobody. Only God knows how long that armor was empty. Or maybe Aqua (or her nobody) was just running around worlds until the Organization found her and invited her to join. *shrugs* By this point, I have no theories or proof to back this one up.

[Darkaeroga]

I think....namines Next form...is gonna be a ORG 14...or somthing///

[i love axel ^^]

i heard that it wasb't namine that it was aqua but then someone else said that it was a totally new member.So i really don't know what to believe

[mrbrightside8313]

Hey we know that Sora, Kairi, and Riku all turned into some form of Heartless but we've only seen 2 of their Nobodies (Sora and Kairi's) so isn't it possible that the 14th member is Riku's Nobody?

[Ixenin]

Hey we know that Sora, Kairi, and Riku all turned into some form of Heartless but we've only seen 2 of their Nobodies (Sora and Kairi's) so isn't it possible that the 14th member is Riku's Nobody?

Riku was never a Heartless. The 14th member is female anyway.

[mrbrightside8313]

Yeah he was. In the 1st game he becomes a Heartless with the blackish Keyblade and you have to fight him. And yeah the 14th member is a girl so it can't be Riku but Riku's Nobody still isn't shown

[Akino]

Riku just gave into the darkness. There was no signs of him losing his heart to the darkness. Therefore, he can't have a nobody. ANYWAYS, back to member XIV.

I just read the new update on 358/2. Seems like Roxas and Axel have different feelings towards her. I wonder why? Argh, the suspense is killing me. (Nomoura gets all the fun...) But it gives me a feeling Roxas or Axel won't trust her throughout the game.

[Sora_The_keyblademaster]

Yeah I read this too!
I neither understand it but I am sure that sometime soon they'll explain it more!

[SImpression]

And the name. Unless Aqua used a fake name like Xemnas (An 'X' in Ansem, but in fact his true name is not Ansem but Xehanort), there's no way we can put an X into Aqua.
Aquax
Xaqua
Quaxa
etc.
It's possible, just most of the names sound gimped.

Anyways, I personally was rather disappointed at the news that it wasn't Naminé. There is so much we don't know about that girl and i'm starting to wonder if they will ever fill in the pieces about her. I mean, she is a Nobody, the org obviously found her, so why didn't she become a member? How did they find out she had these unique abilities? How did she even get the name Naminé. I was hoping the XIV member would be here so we could learna bit more about her, but alas, Nomura as crushed my dreams once again.

I agree though that it cant be Aqua.
One, the XIV member DOES look Young. She looks about Roxas' size/age.
Two, She has that dark Xemnas-like skin that makes me think she is his secret offspring. Hey, what happens when Nobodies mate? I mean, if Dementors can mate, why not Nobodies?
Three, the time thing above. The Org seems to have an amazing ability at fidning Org Memebers as soon as they become Nobodies. I mean, they found Roxas practically right away as they mention him in CoM which takes place right after KH. So i doubt the 14th member could just walk around for over 10 years or so without being found.

I hope it is an original character, not Aqua. Though, you do have to wonder... they are being incredibly tight lipped about Aqua and the 14th member, i wonder why that is. I mean Aqua hasnt appeared in any scans, or trailers (according to the trailer summaries) or anything. Why the secrecy? I didn't even think she was that important... i mean she hardly did much in the battle....


EDIT: Oh and here is a picture of the 14th member just for references.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v474/Exotic_Getaway/img004.jpg

[Xuan]

It sounds all jumbled up in Japanese =.=" We're not just looking into English words.
And Aqua is quite likely NOT to be a real name anyway.

[SpazticFantaztic :3]

Maybe we will find out more about Namine in 358/2. Also, the post above the post above me is right.Aqua really didn't have that much signifigance, so I don't think she could be the 14 org member. Plus she would be really old, like 25 if she was, because she was probably 18 in BBS.

[black_oblivion56]

it is impossible she is aque because kh BBS takes place 15 YEARS!!!! before kh1 . and if it were her shed be older and she seems pretty young [obviosly younger than xemnas] also I believe she is the leader of organization 13 and xemnas was a secondary leader used to make sora confused in other words I believe kh2 was her master plan after roxas left the organization also part of raxas must be in kairi because if you read the ansem reports youd understand why. SHE IS OBVIOUSLY NOT AQUA!!!!!:D

[tacochickenwings]

it is impossible she is aque because kh BBS takes place 15 YEARS!!!! before kh1 . and if it were her shed be older and she seems pretty young [obviosly younger than xemnas] also I believe she is the leader of organization 13 and xemnas was a secondary leader used to make sora confused in other words I believe kh2 was her master plan after roxas left the organization also part of raxas must be in kairi because if you read the ansem reports youd understand why. SHE IS OBVIOUSLY NOT AQUA!!!!!

Uhhh...not sure I'd go that far, but I definitely agree that number 14 probably isn't Aqua. Again, because of the whole age thing. I hope we get a new character.

[black_oblivion56]

yeah I believe its a new character....... also I hope a playable character.

[Geezernorts_Apprentice]

I have had a tiny theory where we might have seen No.14 before.
In the KH2 intro when Sora and Riku are ascending the stairs, just before they fight
Marluxia and Xehanort's Heartless, you can see DiZ and a very femal looking Org member
with hood up. If it was intended to be Larxene, why was her hood up?
Just a minor observation

[tacochickenwings]

I have had a tiny theory where we might have seen No.14 before.
In the KH2 intro when Sora and Riku are ascending the stairs, just before they fight
Marluxia and Xehanort's Heartless, you can see DiZ and a very femal looking Org member
with hood up. If it was intended to be Larxene, why was her hood up?
Just a minor observation

I'm pretty sure that was Riku.

[Bubble Master Califa]

I feel it's a new character or something shocking like Ollete's nobody or something *GASP* like that (it could be Ollete's nobody if she did a kairi heartless, restore thingy-o)

[Akino]

^^^

Oh dang, that's pretty suprising indeed.

But sadly, it won't happen (...hopefully) and plus, nothing new about numero quatorze. God, Square wants to keep us at the edge of our seats for this kid. Well, it's keeping me on the edge of my chair.
Oh yeah, Geezernorts_Apprentice, I think that was Riku. Or...something. Yeah, I'm pretty sure it was him. If it isn't, damn you Nomura for not telling us.

[Aurum-Femina]

I used to not think it was Aqua, but I found this >really great theory (http://forums.khinsider.com/future-kingdom-hearts/95787-possible-number-xiv-identity-evidence.html)< and I'm starting to think differently on the subject.

As for her skin tone, you could think of it like DiZ. Just look at that tan under those bandages! The same could apply to Aqua.

[DuckManDrake]

i hope it's not aqua ;_;

[*TwilightNight*]

Is it just me, or do I see Aqua less fair skinned than Kairi or Namine? Maybe is the dark hue of the Ending Video.

I don't take the "dark tanned skin" of the 14th to heart, because her face is under the hood, which casts a shadow.

Look at the picture or scan again, there's no light coming through, and if it did, it wouldn't pass the collarbone. IMO, she's lighter skinned, and it seems "tan" because of the fact that her head is covered and the light can't illuminate it. I don't know, I just took that in consideration.

[Fuyu]

I wouldn't like the 14th member to be new character...
She would be (maybe) only in one game D :

I don't think its Aqua, she would be 25 or something?
And it can't be Naminé, because Nomura said so, but he changes his mind sometimes..
And I really don't think it would be Olettes or Soras mothers nobody...

I think its better to just wait for more information.

[palxsora]

Well i heard that Aqua was from the past then Xemnas revived her... im not sure

[Ampex]

Maybe AMPEX is the 14th member lol. joke. It logically can't be Aqua for one reason: her name doesn't have an "x" in it. All other orgie names do. If she exists, her weapons are probably two words: dual katanas.

[Twilight's Rose]

Maybe AMPEX is the 14th member lol. joke. It logically can't be Aqua for one reason: her name doesn't have an "x" in it. All other orgie names do. If she exists, her weapons are probably two words: dual katanas.

I do NOT agree with the weapons. Shes a FEMALE! Meaning SE has to give her a weapon that would fit her. And also, I wonder what her orrg name is? The Forgotten Body...

[Yukai]

Maybe AMPEX is the 14th member lol. joke. It logically can't be Aqua for one reason: her name doesn't have an "x" in it. All other orgie names do. If she exists, her weapons are probably two words: dual katanas.

Female Characters CAN use weaponry like that but it's unlikely...

Not sure on my idea of weaponry... But it certainly has to be 'original'...

A Kusarigama, Fans or even a piece Jewelry... Claws can be a sufficient weapon but Larxene's knives already act like claws.

A whip could be a possible one...

[Zeftnon - The Superior]

It can't be a whip. There are gonna be a ton of crudely sexual parodies of her on Deviantart if she did.

[Akino]

^^^

Agreed. Don't want everyone making jokes about her weapon either.

Though, I don't have any ideas on a good weapon. But I'm sure Square has a good idea on that.

[Tib]

I think it's Naminé.
We don't know much of her.
She is starring in COM and RE:COM.
Her weapon could be her sketch book.
I don't saw the trailer when you can see a bit of the 14th member.
but this is my theory.

[Shadow Angel]

I think it's Naminé.

Interviewer: Is the 14th member a new character of the KH Series? It appears as though the character is...a woman?

Nomura: I should bring it up now, that the XIV member is not Namine, since some people believed it to be Namine by seeing the trailer. However it will be explained as to why there's no pillar for this character, as well as why she never appeared in Kingdom Hearts 2.

Nomura stated that it isn´t Namine.
I think it might actually be Aqua´s Nobody, since in the new KH2FM+ scenes we saw Xemnas secret lab and his "old friend" he mentioned.
We all know that the original six org members lead experiments on heartless,etc. So there might be a good chance that they used one of the 3 keybladewielders from BBS and created the first Nobody and kept her in secret? Who knows...

[Tib]

Interviewer: Is the 14th member a new character of the KH Series? It appears as though the character is...a woman?

Nomura: I should bring it up now, that the XIV member is not Namine, since some people believed it to be Namine by seeing the trailer. However it will be explained as to why there's no pillar for this character, as well as why she never appeared in Kingdom Hearts 2.

Nomura stated that it isn´t Namine.
I think it might actually be Aqua´s Nobody, since in the new KH2FM+ scenes we saw Xemnas secret lab and his "old friend" he mentioned.
We all know that the original six org members lead experiments on heartless,etc. So there might be a good chance that they used one of the 3 keybladewielders from BBS and created the first Nobody and kept her in secret? Who knows...

:oops: didn't notice that interview.
But is it possible that it is Aqua's Nobody.

[Zeftnon - The Superior]

Interviewer: Is the 14th member a new character of the KH Series? It appears as though the character is...a woman?

Nomura: I should bring it up now, that the XIV member is not Namine, since some people believed it to be Namine by seeing the trailer. However it will be explained as to why there's no pillar for this character, as well as why she never appeared in Kingdom Hearts 2.

Nomura stated that it isn´t Namine.
I think it might actually be Aqua´s Nobody, since in the new KH2FM+ scenes we saw Xemnas secret lab and his "old friend" he mentioned.
We all know that the original six org members lead experiments on heartless,etc. So there might be a good chance that they used one of the 3 keybladewielders from BBS and created the first Nobody and kept her in secret? Who knows...

I agree with everything.

[Xennex]

OMG WHY DIDN'T I SEE THIS THREAD EARLIER!!! O.O *dies*

aaaanyway...

i've seen the post earlier about a connection between Xemnas and ??? (14th member)...and i had been thinking that a long while ago...sorta... well, that's weird that someone else posted that...to me that ish... >.> nevermind...

i shall post more later...maybe...if i think up some more stuff... woah, random thought already! O.o i was thinking it could be Namine, but i highly doubt that, so don't no one come flaming me for that retarted idea..please...don't... >.>

wait...if a new nobody comes to OrgyXIII, does that mean there's a somebody to follow??? O.o WHAAAAT?!!

. . .

okay...i'm done now...

edit- i just read the comment above me...

now i feel like a retard... *facepalm* -__-

[ibtrippin]

I agrea! I was thinking mabbie since there is 4 rouds (light dark dawn and twilight) then mabie there r 4 difrent things...like this

light: sombody= Kiari
dark: heartless
twilight: nobody= namine
dawn: sonpting totaly new= the 14th member???


c what I meen?

sorry to bring back a post from the first page, just joined and reading everything over ^_^

i think the element/region/whatever dawn wont be introduced until KH3, which is coming out around 2011. awesome. what a long wait.(i heard from some1 idk if its true) anyway, theyve introduced a new...element..thing in every new part of the series so far, not in the semi spinoff things like COM. what im trying to say is, we've seen good guys AND bad guys from dark. (good being roxas, as DiZ says, he resides in darkness, where as sora resides in light, in the beginning when DiZ and Roxas were in Soras sleep..chamber..thing in the beginning?i think?) in KH2 The symbol of the crown, which is confirmed as the symbol that roxas draws at the mansion, is maybe a symbol of light. the keyblade is a weapon of light, so maybe we will see enemys from the realm of light. And possibly allies from the realm of the dark.
this could only be true if the crown really is the next symbol for the main anatagonists

[Absol]

Just as the title says. I think it might be darkness or something like that

[khsuperfan]

if she is any specific element it'll be magic in general, or an ability of cure and shielding.
Why?
cause she's connected to aqua of course!!!
And if water is already taken, then she is also a character of wisdom(according to others theories, she is wisdom, terra is valor, and ven is justice or royalty).
so, she is the element of maqgic itself i guess.
she'll e interesting as a character in the game... I CANT WAIT!!!!!!!(there goes the caps lock....)o_O

[Sodafan89]

hmm wind or fire , ice ????

[clawtooth35]

let's see what is taken:

Nothingness
Space
Air
Ice
Earth
Illusion
Energy/Moon
Fire
Water
Time
Death/Flowers
Lightning
Light

from this you can see that Darkness isn't taken. I think that the 14th member will control darkness. Can you think of any other elements?

[Revelry]

ok look, shes seems to me like an extremely important character to me so she cant go around having some random element like air or rock or w/e I mean, in the end, its Light Vs. Dark. I'm really not sure what ability she could have but it seems that darkness would probably be a good choice. I have a strong feeling that she might not be a nobody at all (since org 13 didnt change into org 14) and perhaps something else like a heartless/ dis-soul (if they exist) and therefore might not have an ability at all...then again, I have another feeling: she might be able to absorb others' powers or she could have some sort of telekinesis ability

[clawtooth35]

what I want to know is why didn't Sora/Roxas remember her when he remembered all the rest.

[Revelry]

like i said in another thread member 14 might not be a nobody. Nomura is all about twists like that. Instead she could be the new monster in the kh series introduced in bbs. I mean bbs was all 10-11 years ago (or 9-10 i cant remember) so she could be the last remaining new monster. If thats true, her powers/look/abilities mght only consist of one thing.
Annnnd she might not even have a power if shes not a nobody, I mean have u ever thought about Org 13's maid or something? Maybe shes xemnas' secretary...nah jk...then again...

[Akino]

Clawtooth35...

You actually have a good point there, why didn't Roxas remember her when he was regaining some of his memories during his week in the Virtual Twilight Town?
Do you remember that little scene in KH2? Where it shows the Oragnizaiton in the meeting room? If you did pay attention to everyone's postion (Axel's in particual) and read the article/blog about the whole organizaiton meeting the 14th member.

o Xemans is talking the white room where the Organization XIII are gathered.
o The Org. members are all with deep expressions.
o Xemnas: "Today is a day, in which, we should be commemorating."
o Xemans: "A new companion came to join us. ....... It is the the 14th."
o The person who is called the 14th in appearance is a girl who is wearing a black hood. She walks towards the center of the room with a smile. Her face isn't able to be seen.
o The expressions of the Org. members varies from each member. Vexen and Larxene laugh. Marluxia and Leaxus express a little anger through their eyebrows. (Tomo's note: Remember, Org. members can only fake emotion.)
Vexen then starts to move. (FF&KH notes that his chair seemed to be awfully low.)
Axel moved his hand to his mouth.
Roxas' expression to be surprised to see the 14th member (or confused).


As I can remember, that little second scene when you got a good view of Axel, his hand was over his mouth. Also Roxas' expression did look a little confused. Could that be the scene where everyone met the 14th in KH2?

[skyone6]

This is really far fetched and probably completely wrong, but could the 14th member be Kairi's heartless or a maybe her actual nobody. I mean that Namine was born from Sora, but she had already lost her heart before that. Think about it took awhile for Sora to get to the spirit of Kairi and KH and how quickly Roxas was born after Sora lost his heart. If not the nobody it could be her heartless. I mean her best friends are Riku, who turned to the darkness, and Sora, who lost his heart and later turns into a heartless aka Anti-form. She also lost her heart and I mean the game sort of revolves around them so why wouldn't she also have a heartless.

o Xemans is talking the white room where the Organization XIII are gathered.
o The Org. members are all with deep expressions.
o Xemnas: "Today is a day, in which, we should be commemorating."
o Xemans: "A new companion came to join us. ....... It is the the 14th."
o The person who is called the 14th in appearance is a girl who is wearing a black hood. She walks towards the center of the room with a smile. Her face isn't able to be seen.
o The expressions of the Org. members varies from each member. Vexen and Larxene laugh. Marluxia and Leaxus express a little anger through their eyebrows. (Tomo's note: Remember, Org. members can only fake emotion.)
Vexen then starts to move. (FF&KH notes that his chair seemed to be awfully low.)
Axel moved his hand to his mouth.
Roxas' expression to be surprised to see the 14th member (or confused).

Maybe they laughed because she was a heartless. I mean she had dark skin just like Ansem the Heartless.

[antiform-roxas]

well since the other thread was closed ima just say it here:

the 14th members weopens will iether be awesome gloves that make good weopan as in more than one
fans
or
nothing

and as for the element it shall be teleportation...

as for who it is since its in kh serease it has to be someone conected to sora or ansem and as for wether we know them or not i say we wont know them

ps:aqua is good and has no reoson to join the organization

[Akino]

This is really far fetched and probably completely wrong, but could the 14th member be Kairi's heartless or a maybe her actual nobody. I mean that Namine was born from Sora, but she had already lost her heart before that. Think about it took awhile for Sora to get to the spirit of Kairi and KH and how quickly Roxas was born after Sora lost his heart. If not the nobody it could be her heartless. I mean her best friends are Riku, who turned to the darkness, and Sora, who lost his heart and later turns into a heartless aka Anti-form. She also lost her heart and I mean the game sort of revolves around them so why wouldn't she also have a heartless.



Maybe they laughed because she was a heartless. I mean she had dark skin just like Ansem the Heartless.

Kairi is one of the princesses of Heart. But aren't all of them full of light and no traces of dark? So when Kairi gave her heart to Sora, she never made a heartless. So the 14th can't be her heartless. But Namine isn't exactly a nobody...she can feel emotions, DiZ/Ansem The Wise even said that in one of the reports. Hopefully, we can find out what Namine really is. Being connected to Sora's memories and all. Though, it seems to far-fetched for 14th to be Kairi's actual nobody. (Seems to cliche to me, IMO.)

And so what if 14th has dark skin like Ansem the Heartless? Xemnas has dark skin, just not as dark as hers in the scan. But it like what other people said, she's wearing a hood, so it could be a shadow overcasting and making it look like she has very dark skin.

[carter719]

will some1 tell me who this aqua person is i played KH1 KH chain of memorys and KH2 and i have no clue who u are talking about will some1 pls tell me who u are talking about

[antiform-roxas]

this girl from kh2 and kh2 fm(+) secret endingg

[xeno]

I am not sure whether this is valid but I remember seeing a still picture (or news thread) somewhere of Zigbar(or another Org.XIII member) in somewhere looking kinda like Olympus coliseum saying something about an "old friend" in KH2:FM.

But this was around the time that Final Mix was still interesting news and it had yet to be released and seeing as how Xemnas refers to Aqua's armor as "an old friend".
(I am pretty sure it was not the room of sleep that this took place in)

it seems though that if this "old friend" spoken of there is Aqua then the 14th cant be Aqua, since the 14th member isint seen anywhere else?

[KWDW]

Could Namine be the 14th member?

That's my thought.

[clawtooth35]

I think that it was confirmed somewhere that the 14th member isn't Naminé and is a completely new character (so than would rule out Aqua's nobody too). I suppose we just have to wait until this Summer to find out.

[KWDW]

Is it coming out for the Wii?

[clawtooth35]

no, only DS.

[darkphoenix1836]

I'm just wondering if she's Kairi's heartless since namine is Kairi's nobody, and we never found out who her heartless was. but i did read that ansem said that when kairi lost her heart, a heartless wasn't made...so...there goes most of our theories (or at least mine)

[Hero Form]

Wait, then did Xemnas defeat Aqua or something?

[antiform-roxas]

Wait, then did Xemnas defeat Aqua or something?


most likly

[Hero Form]

most likly

Alright then.

[Xendran]

he may have defeated aqua, but nobody knows for sure.

[marluxia_rules13]

this girl from kh2 and kh2 fm(+) secret endingg
WHERE WAS SHE AT IN KH2?I NEVER SAW HER!

[Hero Form]

WHERE WAS SHE AT IN KH2?I NEVER SAW HER!

She's in the secret ending.

[*Hippie Jesus*]

just curious if she is apart of the orginization she must be a nobody so who and where is her whole????

[Sora_The_keyblademaster]

just curious if she is apart of the orginization she must be a nobody so who and where is her whole????

You are right but then think that in the Secret Ending of Kingdom Hearts II Final mix Xehanort was trying to kill them so why be in the Organization?

[ramzab876]

I believe the 14th member is a manifestation of Xemnas (Xehanort Terra's) memoires. This manifestation is Aqua. I find this theory possible because Malificent is revived by the three fairies memoires.

[antiform-roxas]

You are right but then think that in the Secret Ending of Kingdom Hearts II Final mix Xehanort was trying to kill them so why be in the Organization?

meybe the organization XII was made to kill the three keyblade chasers becouse they thought they new about there hearts and how to get becouse they had the'' keys to there hearts'' and xeanort managed to
kill them and find his answer and they said u must find enough hearts and make kingsom hearts and thus making a new organization goal

[ben2708]

Something i thought should be brought up,
Someone mentioned how Roxas did not remember her, yet remember all the others?
It's either really strange, or a coincidence that NONE of the Org. mention her?
It's quite possible that all of the Org. forgot.
But that's just one theory.

[DuckManDrake]

Maybe she got the darkness element ;3 and how about a mace?

[twilightsbringing]

Something i thought should be brought up,
Someone mentioned how Roxas did not remember her, yet remember all the others?
It's either really strange, or a coincidence that NONE of the Org. mention her?
It's quite possible that all of the Org. forgot.
But that's just one theory.

That's exactly what I am thinking. (Is that why the memory pods exist in the basement of the Twilight Town mansion?)

[werkku6]

I have a theory, why member XIV is not in KH2.
If i remember right, didnt Xemnas have power to turn organisation members to lesser nobodies?
And you remember Twilight Thorn from KH2?
So, my theory is, when member XIV betrayed organisation, Xemnas turned her into a Twilight Thorn.
And, just before Twilight Thorn battle, you can see character, who is wearing organisation cloath.

[Shadow Angel]

Something i thought should be brought up,
Someone mentioned how Roxas did not remember her, yet remember all the others?
It's either really strange, or a coincidence that NONE of the Org. mention her?
It's quite possible that all of the Org. forgot.
But that's just one theory.

That could be posible, but then why and who made them forget?
Or maybe Xemnas made them all forget about her, maybe she really was the manifestation of the memories he had of Aqua.
Remember when Xigbar mentioned the Room of Awakening? Probably there she was created...

[Hero Form]

I have a theory, why member XIV is not in KH2.
If i remember right, didnt Xemnas have power to turn organisation members to lesser nobodies?
And you remember Twilight Thorn from KH2?
So, my theory is, when member XIV betrayed organisation, Xemnas turned her into a Twilight Thorn.
And, just before Twilight Thorn battle, you can see character, who is wearing organisation cloath.

I REALLY think that is possible.

[Akino]

I have a theory, why member XIV is not in KH2.
If i remember right, didnt Xemnas have power to turn organisation members to lesser nobodies?
And you remember Twilight Thorn from KH2?
So, my theory is, when member XIV betrayed organisation, Xemnas turned her into a Twilight Thorn.
And, just before Twilight Thorn battle, you can see character, who is wearing organisation cloath.

Oh yeah. Twilight Thorn had a bigger upper body than a lower body, totally female. xD *brick'd*

But that cloaked organization person looked more like a dude. Maybe I think that is because I didn't see that scene in a long time. Can someone get a screenshot, please? Well I think it might be possible!

[Hero Form]

Oh yeah. Twilight Thorn had a bigger upper body than a lower body, totally female. xD *brick'd*

But that cloaked organization person looked more like a dude. Maybe I think that is because I didn't see that scene in a long time. Can someone get a screenshot, please? Well I think it might be possible!

It didn't show anything but the feet and lower cloak. That is, if I remember correctly . . .

[13draconus_maximus13]

Well, Square confirmed no. 14 wasn't in KH 2.
Maybe that's some kinda 'drive form' she has and they don't count that form as her. Nice theory, I kinda hope it's true, that's all I can say.

[Zeftnon - The Superior]

I have a theory, why member XIV is not in KH2.
If i remember right, didnt Xemnas have power to turn organisation members to lesser nobodies?
And you remember Twilight Thorn from KH2?
So, my theory is, when member XIV betrayed organisation, Xemnas turned her into a Twilight Thorn.
And, just before Twilight Thorn battle, you can see character, who is wearing organisation cloath.

I think I can tell which member is which by looking at their cloak, and that looked a lot like Roxas because his back was arched; that's him seeing a memory of himself for a second. And Nomura confirmed that the 14th didn't appear in KH2.

[Ghillie in the Mist]

It cant be... Twilight Form is the darkness in Roxas heart, parralel to the Darkness in Sora's heart being Dark Side.

However, because Roxas is made of nothing, his darkness is made of nothing... making it a nobody.

Twilight Thorn is basically a giant nobody.

Also, I'm pretty sure that what Roxas sees is actually his Organization 13 self.


So... any theory that the 14th member is Twilight Thorn, is just empty speculation.

[Captain Hero]

I don't know if this has been brought up at all, but ever think that XIV might be Riku's Nobody? I know that XIV is a girl and Riku's a boy, but did they ever say that a guy had to turn into a male nobody and vice versa? Plus, when Riku was overtaken by Xehanort's Heartless in the first game, wasn't he technically a heartless, and his strong heart thereby created a nobody? It makes sense time-wise, because XIV shows up shortly after Roxas is found. And XH Riku is there before Sora's a heartless. I know it sounds very skeptical, but it's just a theory I was pondering.

[Ghillie in the Mist]

I don't know if this has been brought up at all, but ever think that XIV might be Riku's Nobody? I know that XIV is a girl and Riku's a boy, but did they ever say that a guy had to turn into a male nobody and vice versa? Plus, when Riku was overtaken by Xehanort's Heartless in the first game, wasn't he technically a heartless, and his strong heart thereby created a nobody? It makes sense time-wise, because XIV shows up shortly after Roxas is found. And XH Riku is there before Sora's a heartless. I know it sounds very skeptical, but it's just a theory I was pondering.

Riku never lost his heart... he lost his body. His soul and his heart stayed connected, so he was never a heartless.

And Riku's nobody being a girl... I realy doubt it. That would be pretty wierd. *shivers*

[AnimeLuver1998]

I heard its a girl and her name is Mars because I remember seeing a Kingdom Hearts CoM Final Mix video and it said theres a new member and that persons name was Mars... Ooooh planets! :)

[Crumpet]

I have this to say...I am 98% sure this 14th member is not Aqua! The 14th member looks around Ven's age (not saying the 14th member is Ven just using him for an example) and we can see Aqua is older, and taller then Ven. I just wanted to say that.

umm just wondering, why would it be Aqua

1. Aqua don't have an X is her name
2. Aqua does seem older
3. She seemed to care about Ven so yeeaaahh.... Nobodies dont have hearts

[Shade Tail]

I heard its a girl and her name is Mars because I remember seeing a Kingdom Hearts CoM Final Mix video and it said theres a new member and that persons name was Mars... Ooooh planets! :)

I don't think it would be Mars cos that doesn't have an X...
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It might be Aqua's nobody or some relation to Aqua, mainly because Xemnas had her armor in the Room of Sleep and has called Aqua his 'friend'.
It may be someone new but I believe that it's Aqua.

[Captain Hero]

I heard its a girl and her name is Mars because I remember seeing a Kingdom Hearts CoM Final Mix video and it said theres a new member and that persons name was Mars... Ooooh planets! :)

Doubt it, but if you want us to believe you, show the video.

[Mexony]

I'm not quite sure about the 14th member. It really confuses me, maybe this new character is the key to something in Kingdom Hearts. I probably won't be right but there is a chance to that.

[Hero Form]

umm just wondering, why would it be Aqua

1. Aqua don't have an X is her name
2. Aqua does seem older
3. She seemed to care about Ven so yeeaaahh.... Nobodies dont have hearts

You are correct. That officially means it can't be Aqua. But what if Aqua has a Nobody?

[Jordz]

well.. Doesn't BBS earlier than 358/2days. Aqua would either be dead or very old!

to be honest. I think ORG member 14 is some random that convinces or scheme with or against roxas to leave the organistation.

[Sora_The_keyblademaster]

You are correct. That officially means it can't be Aqua. But what if Aqua has a Nobody?

OMG you are right nobodies don't have heart that means they don't have feelings!!!
By the way anyone knows why all of The ORG. XIII members have an X in their name?????????????

[Hero Form]

OMG you are right nobodies don't have heart that means they don't have feelings!!!
By the way anyone knows why all of The ORG. XIII members have an X in their name?????????????

Maybe it's because they are not whole.

[Shadow Angel]

well.. Doesn't BBS earlier than 358/2days. Aqua would either be dead or very old!

to be honest. I think ORG member 14 is some random that convinces or scheme with or against roxas to leave the organistation.

I also think now that she maybe a complete new character and makes Roxas leave the Organization for whatever reason.
Oh, well, ok, Roxas wanted to meet Sora, but for ONE WHOLE YEAR he stayed in the Org! He could have looked for Sora sooner if he would have wanted so

[Ravaan]

Not sure if I'm just repeating anything someone else has said here, sorry if I am. Got bored of reading after the first 4 or so pages. D:

I'm backing the XIV =/= Aqua horde. It'd just be silly, since I think Nomura has stated somewhere that the video BBS will be the unplayable ending of the game BBS. Don't remember where though. Personally, I'm not so sure Terra, Aqua and Ven make it past that point alive/whole. :/

I'm gonna go out on a random limb and say I want her to have a lantern as a weapon, and act as a long-distance magic caster for the most part. Fill the lantern with some form of ominous lavender flame and give her spirit/mind/soul as an element or something. Or the reflect element, 'cus that'd be an annoying/complected battle.

Or a swordstick. Swordsticks are awesome, 'specially in the form of a staff. A mirror of some form?

lol@fistpostinoverayear. >:

[Sora_The_keyblademaster]

Not sure if I'm just repeating anything someone else has said here, sorry if I am. Got bored of reading after the first 4 or so pages. D:

I'm backing the XIV =/= Aqua horde. It'd just be silly, since I think Nomura has stated somewhere that the video BBS will be the unplayable ending of the game BBS. Don't remember where though. Personally, I'm not so sure Terra, Aqua and Ven make it past that point alive/whole. :/

I'm gonna go out on a random limb and say I want her to have a lantern as a weapon, and act as a long-distance magic caster for the most part. Fill the lantern with some form of ominous lavender flame and give her spirit/mind/soul as an element or something. Or the reflect element, 'cus that'd be an annoying/complected battle.

Or a swordstick. Swordsticks are awesome, 'specially in the form of a staff. A mirror of some form?

lol@fistpostinoverayear. >:

I think I read this somewhere else... anyway!

[aias13aura]

hhmmm...
i'm being intrigue because of this nobody(who is she trully? wanna know)
i think i need to buy a nintendo ds...(poor me...can't even buy a cellphone)

[Sora_The_keyblademaster]

hhmmm...
i'm being intrigue because of this nobody(who is she trully? wanna know)
i think i need to buy a nintendo ds...(poor me...can't even buy a cellphone)

I wanna learn like a crazy too who's this org. 14 member is???????????

[Ampex]

She's Aqua, of course! What might be her element, though?

[Akino]

^^^

We can't really confirm that it's Aqua. Right now, she's a mystery to us. All we can do is make up theories and speculate on little evidence. There isn't no proof who she is for all we know. All we know is, the fourteenth is a key character and influenced Roxas to leave Org. XIII. (Either in a bad way or good way.)

[Sora_The_keyblademaster]

She's Aqua, of course! What might be her element, though?

Actually I believe it too!
Well many say that she doesn't have an "X" in her name so what maybe she has changed it and many other says that as we saw her in the Secret Ending Of Kingdom Hearts II Final Mix she had feelings when Ven died so what! In 358/2 days maybe Aqua have died and left her Nobody behind so it joined the Organization!

[aias13aura]

hmmm...
i think it is not Aqua...
and Ven is not dead!
( he just turn into ice but he is still alive...and yeah! he looks like Roxas!)
but maybe it is Aqua and maybe not

:ff10sora::woohoo::unsure:
:rockband::poke:

[13draconus_maximus13]

I just thought of something:
I think everyone's memory was erased after the Keyblade War. Ven joined Ansem's team (together with Xehanort)

Then, they both turned heartless and nobody.
Org. names are their original names with an X in it.
Ven->Vexn (doesn't sound that good)
->VEXEN

And, other evidence: Ven turned into ICE!! Vexen's element !!

[Sora_The_keyblademaster]

I just thought of something:
I think everyone's memory was erased after the Keyblade War. Ven joined Ansem's team (together with Xehanort)

Then, they both turned heartless and nobody.
Org. names are their original names with an X in it.
Ven->Vexn (doesn't sound that good)
->VEXEN

And, other evidence: Ven turned into ICE!! Vexen's element !!

Holy **** I never thought of that!

[Hero Form]

I just thought of something:
I think everyone's memory was erased after the Keyblade War. Ven joined Ansem's team (together with Xehanort)

Then, they both turned heartless and nobody.
Org. names are their original names with an X in it.
Ven->Vexn (doesn't sound that good)
->VEXEN

And, other evidence: Ven turned into ICE!! Vexen's element !!

Umm, that's an okay theory, but Vexen has TWO e's.

[Sora_The_keyblademaster]

Umm, that's an okay theory, but Vexen has TWO e's.

Come on no one knows who the really org. XIV will be! But all these theories are awesome!

Now I want to tell you something guys!
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[Delicious ♥ Ambrosia]

Come on no one knows who the really org. XIV will be! But all these theories are awesome!

Now I want to tell you something guys!
Thanks all of you who visiting my blog! If you wouldn't visit it, it probably would be... dead!!!
Thanks

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But anyways, I think the 14th member will be....














a girl! XDDD and that's all I care to speculate for now

[NeoCloudstrife]

I just thought of something:
I think everyone's memory was erased after the Keyblade War. Ven joined Ansem's team (together with Xehanort)

Then, they both turned heartless and nobody.
Org. names are their original names with an X in it.
Ven->Vexn (doesn't sound that good)
->VEXEN

And, other evidence: Ven turned into ICE!! Vexen's element !!
bad theory. vexen is the nobody of a man named even, who used to work for ansem. sorry to burst you bubble...

[Sora_The_keyblademaster]

Nice video you've got Cloudstrife out in the main page!

[XIVforXIII]

New theory about Number XIV:

There was never a fourteenth member.

In truth, she is just an artificial construct, ploy by Xemnas to manipulate Roxas into fulfilling his predetermined role. She's someone Roxas can relate to, a newbie like him; but like Namine, she's just a tool, not a real member. That's why she doesn't get a marker at Proof of Existence or the Garden of Assemblage, or even a merit addition to the name "Organization XIII".

Towards the end of the game, XIV disappears and Roxas learns that she was never hsi friend, that she was never really here, that he was just a tool all along, that the Organization would never give him the answers about Sora that he sought, and that even Axel (his best friend) was in on it the whole time. Feeling betrayed and alone, he leaves forever for parts unknown. Quoth he, "No one would miss me."

[Sora_The_keyblademaster]

New theory about Number XIV:

There was never a fourteenth member.

In truth, she is just an artificial construct, ploy by Xemnas to manipulate Roxas into fulfilling his predetermined role. She's someone Roxas can relate to, a newbie like him; but like Namine, she's just a tool, not a real member. That's why she doesn't get a marker at Proof of Existence or the Garden of Assemblage, or even a merit addition to the name "Organization XIII".

Towards the end of the game, XIV disappears and Roxas learns that she was never hsi friend, that she was never really here, that he was just a tool all along, that the Organization would never give him the answers about Sora that he sought, and that even Axel (his best friend) was in on it the whole time. Feeling betrayed and alone, he leaves forever for parts unknown. Quoth he, "No one would miss me."

Hm! You are new here right? Well welcome!
Nice theory! And I am sure that the Org. XIV will disappear in the end but I think the story ends later when Riku attacks to Roxas and put him in Twilight Town

[00Roxas00]

Hey, i saw that Yoko Shimomura Releasd the bgm song for the apearance of the XIVth Member, maybe if we listin to her background music we can figure out her personality a little bit right?

[Zeftnon - The Superior]

Hey, i saw that Yoko Shimomura Releasd the bgm song for the apearance of the XIVth Member, maybe if we listin to her background music we can figure out her personality a little bit right?

Are you talking about The 13th Anthology? If so, that's not the 14th member's theme music; anthology means a collection of things. The 13th Anthology is just a collection of all the Organization XIII related music.

[00Roxas00]

Are you talking about The 13th Anthology? If so, that's not the 14th member's theme music; anthology means a collection of things. The 13th Anthology is just a collection of all the Organization XIII related music.

No, i'm not talkin about the 13th Anthology, i'm not stupid you know, its really the bgm for the 14th member wait i'l post a link:14th Member BGM (http://www.kingdomhearts3.net/)

[draik88]

No, i'm not talkin about the 13th Anthology, i'm not stupid you know, its really the bgm for the 14th member wait i'l post a link:14th Member BGM (http://www.kingdomhearts3.net/)

Actually that was just an April Fools day joke, put on by kingdomhearts3.net. Although it would have been really interesting to hear if it wasn't!

[Day~Dream]

:nono:It can't be Aqua because she's from Birth by Sleep, and last time I checked Birth by Sleep takes place 10 years BEFORE Kingdom Hearts when sora and riku are 4 and 5. And it's not namine either. I read it in the interview. Tetsuya says she is a key character and will explain why she wasn't seen or heard of in kh & kh2 and probably khcom later on.

[Sora_The_keyblademaster]

Actually that was just an April Fools day joke, put on by kingdomhearts3.net. Although it would have been really interesting to hear if it wasn't!

OMG I never saw that track... hahahahahahahahaahahahhahahaa nice joke!!!!!!!!!

[UzumakiRage]

No, i'm not talkin about the 13th Anthology, i'm not stupid you know, its really the bgm for the 14th member wait i'l post a link:14th Member BGM (http://www.kingdomhearts3.net/)

Hey, this song is too funny:laughing-smiley-004:rofl:Nice joke:D

[*TwilightNight*]

You know, it's quite interesting that while Nomura denind that the 14th member was Naminé, he didn't take out Aqua as well out of the count. I'm sure anyone with common sense would think that if it's not Naminé, then Aqua would be the next speculated, yet, he didn't give a answer. It was possible for him to deny that Aqua was the 14th as well, considering that was the topic despite it not being asked.

[Sora_The_keyblademaster]

You know, it's quite interesting that while Nomura denind that the 14th member was Naminé, he didn't take out Aqua as well out of the count. I'm sure anyone with common sense would think that if it's not Naminé, then Aqua would be the next speculated, yet, he didn't give a answer. It was possible for him to deny that Aqua was the 14th as well, considering that was the topic despite it not being asked.

Yeah maybe many now say that the XIV member will be Aqua but No one is sure maybe the XIV member is a new character who still has something to do from the past! I mean that maybe I must play BBS first to see all the characters of the game (If you haven't noticed all the pictures until from BBS none of them show Aqua) and the story because 358/2 Days is after Com that means after BBS so maybe there is a new character we still don't know!

[TheWertle]

http://www.jeux-france.com/afficher_images.html?Image_big=Webmasters/Images/61161020070926_104501_1_big.jpg

this image has an interview with nomura and they ask about the 14th member. Nomura makes a distinction saying that she is not Member XIV of Organization XIII, but she is labeled as the 14th to appear.

He also says she's not Namine.

Don't know if this is news or not, just browsing and found that picture.

[Sora_The_keyblademaster]

http://www.jeux-france.com/afficher_images.html?Image_big=Webmasters/Images/61161020070926_104501_1_big.jpg

this image has an interview with nomura and they ask about the 14th member. Nomura makes a distinction saying that she is not Member XIV of Organization XIII, but she is labeled as the 14th to appear.

He also says she's not Namine.

Don't know if this is news or not, just browsing and found that picture.

It's kinda old but it's ok for a reminder

[Hero Form]

http://www.jeux-france.com/afficher_images.html?Image_big=Webmasters/Images/61161020070926_104501_1_big.jpg

this image has an interview with nomura and they ask about the 14th member. Nomura makes a distinction saying that she is not Member XIV of Organization XIII, but she is labeled as the 14th to appear.

He also says she's not Namine.

Don't know if this is news or not, just browsing and found that picture.

What do you mean by "the 14th to appear"?

[Sora_The_keyblademaster]

What do you mean by "the 14th to appear"?

I think he means (I think) that it's possible it's not a female!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I think

[WhispersInTheDarkxx]

Either way, this is going to get good!!!!

And the thing is, well, the question really is, who's Nobody could she be? Roxas was Sora's Namine' was Kairi's, and the first 6 members of OXIII were Ansem's understudies.

so, we need to think, could there be anybody that we know that might've lost their heart? Or is she just going to be one of those #s7-12 unknown Nobody people?

I don't think it's Aqua. :\ It seems to obvious, like how Roxas was Sora's. And she seems to be on the good side, remember the spolier? With the kid-that's-not-Roxas-but-looks-a-hell-like-him and the kid-that's-not-Xehanort-but-looks-a-hell-like-him..... Terra and Ven.

And what's so important about her, what's her purpose being Number 14? Why was Xemnas trying to hide her???

[Sora_The_keyblademaster]

Either way, this is going to get good!!!!

And the thing is, well, the question really is, who's Nobody could she be? Roxas was Sora's Namine' was Kairi's, and the first 6 members of OXIII were Ansem's understudies.

so, we need to think, could there be anybody that we know that might've lost their heart? Or is she just going to be one of those #s7-12 unknown Nobody people?

I don't think it's Aqua. :\ It seems to obvious, like how Roxas was Sora's. And she seems to be on the good side, remember the spolier? With the kid-that's-not-Roxas-but-looks-a-hell-like-him and the kid-that's-not-Xehanort-but-looks-a-hell-like-him..... Terra and Ven.

And what's so important about her, what's her purpose being Number 14? Why was Xemnas trying to hide her???

Hmmm... You've got a huge point there! Now I see it like this I really don't think it's Aqua! And really why Xemnas trying to hide her? And as we all know she didn't mentioned to neither of KH games until now! And that's the sure that she comes and leaves only in 358/2 Days

[jsko90]

What do you think the 14th member's powers and weapons are?

Personally I'm betting on either poison or some sort of healing power and probably either a bow, whip, staff or a katana. Other possibilities could be an axe or mace but I think that's unlikely because Square Enix never gives their female characters heavy weapons like that, so sexist.

[Sora_The_keyblademaster]

What do you think the 14th member's powers and weapons are?

Personally I'm betting on either poison or some sort of healing power and probably either a bow, whip, staff or a katana. Other possibilities could be an axe or mace but I think that's unlikely because Square Enix never gives their female characters heavy weapons like that, so sexist.

I think it will be something like psysic!!!!!!

[LegendaryXIII]

well in the secret cutscenes in final mix 2 they talk about gathering more meber possible Terra or Aqua is one of them

[00Roxas00]

well in the secret cutscenes in final mix 2 they talk about gathering more meber possible Terra or Aqua is one of them


Could be, but they are Keyblade Masters like Roxas, why didnt they take them instead of all those other members?

[rikubastien]

I think she will be very cool!! Awesome even I mean sweet, hot, nice voice.

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[fireflame]

if there's 14 members then it wont be Organization 13 anymore

[Xegreny]

if there's 14 members then it wont be Organization 13 anymore

....

>_>

Lol.

Then they'd be Organization XIV. 8D

[Sora_The_keyblademaster]

....

>_>

Lol.

Then they'd be Organization XIV. 8D

Yeah but not forever because she never mentioned in KH2 so she maybe join the org. for a while or maybe Xemnas keeps her secret so she will come back in the next KH games!

[Xegreny]

Yeah but not forever because she never mentioned in KH2 so she maybe join the org. for a while or maybe Xemnas keeps her secret so she will come back in the next KH games!

Or, maybe she dies. >_>;;

Since this takes place, before KH2 and all. :P

[Friendly_Heartless]

Meh, I don't know really what to say about the fourteenth member. Just that I'm wondering why she isn't on Chain of Memories or #2.... it's kind of odd.:blink: And it makes you wonder what happened and stuff. I wish it would come out already! The suspense is intense!!! (Hey that rhymed... lol)

[Sora_The_keyblademaster]

Or, maybe she dies. >_>;;

Since this takes place, before KH2 and all. :P

Maybe if she will be a boss in 358/2 Days

[La Sofa]

Meh, I don't know really what to say about the fourteenth member. Just that I'm wondering why she isn't on Chain of Memories or #2.... it's kind of odd.:blink: And it makes you wonder what happened and stuff. I wish it would come out already! The suspense is intense!!! (Hey that rhymed... lol)

But I thought they said the fourteenth member was a newly added one to the organization right? So that would at least explain why she isn't in in CoM and KH2 eh? Unless im wrong.

[Sora_The_keyblademaster]

But I thought they said the fourteenth member was a newly added one to the organization right? So that would at least explain why she isn't in in CoM and KH2 eh? Unless im wrong.

She wasn't in KH:COM because she still might didn't the org.XIII! and she didn't appear in KH2 because she might kept secret or died in KH: 358/2 Days!
But wait now why we always make the XIV member bad? Maybe she is a good person... nobody!

[La Sofa]

She wasn't in KH:COM because she still might didn't the org.XIII! and she didn't appear in KH2 because she might kept secret or died in KH: 358/2 Days!
But wait now why we always make the XIV member bad? Maybe she is a good person... nobody!

So your saying that she might have been in CoM and KH2 also? And Sora simply just didn't find out about her for a reason? If so, it could be. Theres just so little info on the member.

But yeah that would be cool if the were a nobody that were on Sora's side for once.

[Sora_The_keyblademaster]

So your saying that she might have been in CoM and KH2 also? And Sora simply just didn't find out about her for a reason? If so, it could be. Theres just so little info on the member.

But yeah that would be cool if the were a nobody that were on Sora's side for once.

No I mean she wasn't in neither of KH:COM and KH2 and I am saying that she might be kept secret 'til now or joined the org.XIII in 358/2 Days and died in 358/2 Days!

[SeanyBoy]

I think that the 14th member is going to be Aqua's nobody. I mean, in that one cutscene that was only viewable in the final mix+, you see Xemnas going to the "Room of Sleep" and sit in that chair. Then you see him talking and next they show what appears to be Aqua's soldier suit from the Birth By Sleep video.

Thats just my take on it. Nomura said it'll be explained in the organization game thats coming out so we shall see.

[Sora_The_keyblademaster]

I think that the 14th member is going to be Aqua's nobody. I mean, in that one cutscene that was only viewable in the final mix+, you see Xemnas going to the "Room of Sleep" and sit in that chair. Then you see him talking and next they show what appears to be Aqua's soldier suit from the Birth By Sleep video.

Thats just my take on it. Nomura said it'll be explained in the organization game thats coming out so we shall see.

WOW I didn't noticed that! When I saw it for first time I thought it was Terra's uniform! But you are right and then he says "Welcome back my old friend". But actually it's odd too just think of it the storyline of 358/2 Days was before KH2(FM)

[erkansilk]

WOW I didn't noticed that! When I saw it for first time I thought it was Terra's uniform! But you are right and then he says "Welcome back my old friend". But actually it's odd too just think of it the storyline of 358/2 Days was before KH2(FM)

he said old friend cuz xehanort is terra....and he gets his memories back from namine...
or not im not sure;)and xehanort has the same memories like xemnas

and i think that number 14 is aquas nobody cuz......then all knights would be in the org 13/14
xemnas- terra?
roxas- ven?
aqua- 14?

[SeanyBoy]

he said old friend cuz xemnas is terra....and he gets his memories back from namine...
or not im not sure;)

and i think that number 14 is aquas nobody cuz......then all knights would be in the org 13/14
xemnas- terra?
roxas- ven?
aqua- 14?

Hm, I'm not too sure about that. In KH2 final mix, you're able to fight Terra. That experience with Terra is meant to get your mind thinking about him and his story (Birth By Sleep). Think back, remember in the first KH game (not the one America got, the later version. I dont know if it goes by final mix too) but in that version, Sora stumbles upon Xemnas (Of course, he's hooded so you can't see him plus we wouldnt know about him at that time anyway) and had to fight him. Its the same thing, basically. The secret fight with Xemnas in KH 1, and the secret fight with Terra in KH 2 were both thought up so we could spend out time anticipating the resolve of the next game to come.

In KH2 final mix+, you can fight Terra. I don't believe he's Xemnas because, going by that instance, both he and Terra were both existing at the same time. So, it would be impossible for Xemnas to be Terra.

If you ask me, I think Xemnas was, like the game said, Xehanort's nobody. If you look even closer, you can even see a pattern within the antagonists of the game.

Kingdom Hearts 1 - Xehanort's Heartless (Self-proclaimed "Ansem")
Kingdom Hearts 2 - Xehanort's Nobody (Xemnas)

So, for the last installment of the KH series, I believe the antagonist will either be a new form of Xehanort or Xehanort himself (somehow still alive or something).

For all we know about Terra, he could still be very much alive. He was in the KH game afterall. Now, whether they specified if he was a lingering spirit or just there at the time of Sora's arrival is unclear to me so I cant say anything on that.

But I think something has happend to both Ven and Aqua, however. I believe Aqua was transformed into a heartless and probably killed. Along with that, her Nobody is probably the 14th member. Xemnas probably found her Nobody before the events of KH2 (So, during 358/2 Days) and gave her some kind of top secret mission which would explain her absence in Kingdom Hearts 2. Nomura stated in an interview that there's a reason Organization XIII didn't become Organization XIV so we'll know that soon I suppose.

But if you ask me, I think the antagonists of the final game will be Xehanort in some form and/or the 14th member (whether Aqua's nobody or not)

[erkansilk]

Hm, I'm not too sure about that. In KH2 final mix, you're able to fight Terra. That experience with Terra is meant to get your mind thinking about him and his story (Birth By Sleep). Think back, remember in the first KH game (not the one America got, the later version. I dont know if it goes by final mix too) but in that version, Sora stumbles upon Xemnas (Of course, he's hooded so you can't see him plus we wouldnt know about him at that time anyway) and had to fight him. Its the same thing, basically. The secret fight with Xemnas in KH 1, and the secret fight with Terra in KH 2 were both thought up so we could spend out time anticipating the resolve of the next game to come.

In KH2 final mix+, you can fight Terra. I don't believe he's Xemnas because, going by that instance, both he and Terra were both existing at the same time. So, it would be impossible for Xemnas to be Terra.

If you ask me, I think Xemnas was, like the game said, Xehanort's nobody. If you look even closer, you can even see a pattern within the antagonists of the game.

Kingdom Hearts 1 - Xehanort's Heartless (Self-proclaimed "Ansem")
Kingdom Hearts 2 - Xehanort's Nobody (Xemnas)

So, for the last installment of the KH series, I believe the antagonist will either be a new form of Xehanort or Xehanort himself (somehow still alive or something).

For all we know about Terra, he could still be very much alive. He was in the KH game afterall. Now, whether they specified if he was a lingering spirit or just there at the time of Sora's arrival is unclear to me so I cant say anything on that.

But I think something has happend to both Ven and Aqua, however. I believe Aqua was transformed into a heartless and probably killed. Along with that, her Nobody is probably the 14th member. Xemnas probably found her Nobody before the events of KH2 (So, during 358/2 Days) and gave her some kind of top secret mission which would explain her absence in Kingdom Hearts 2. Nomura stated in an interview that there's a reason Organization XIII didn't become Organization XIV so we'll know that soon I suppose.

But if you ask me, I think the antagonists of the final game will be Xehanort in some form and/or the 14th member (whether Aqua's nobody or not)

no they dont exist at the same time.terras battle is in the past(sora use the portal like the balck-white world)
and i said that xehanort is terra not xemnas
xemnas is maybe terras nobody
and remember the first xemnas form....it was a armored knight

[SeanyBoy]

no they dont exist at the same time.terras battle is in the past(sora use the portal like the balck-white world)
and i said that xehanort is terra not xemnas
xemnas is maybe terras nobody
and remember the first xemnas form....it was a armored knight

Oh! Okay, then. I just misread you, then. But you know, that is something I have always been pondering about the fight with Xemnas and the armor suit. I'm not saying it's because he's apart of Terra (not saying I think your theory is wrong, because we are all just guessing at this point) but that is an interesting point, though. As for the time portal thing, I've never seen the whole clip before so I don't know about that but did they specify that it was a time portal in the clip?

[erkansilk]

Oh! Okay, then. I just misread you, then. But you know, that is something I have always been pondering about the fight with Xemnas and the armor suit. I'm not saying it's because he's apart of Terra (not saying I think your theory is wrong, because we are all just guessing at this point) but that is an interesting point, though. As for the time portal thing, I've never seen the whole clip before so I don't know about that but did they specify that it was a time portal in the clip?

thats right we are all just guessing
but it makes fun:):):)

[Sora_The_keyblademaster]

thats right we are all just guessing
but it makes fun:):):)

It sure is!!!!!

[Dragon #13]

I think the 14th member might be an original character. She isn't remembered by Roxas or mentioned or anything because she joined as a secret member to bring back the Organization if they were to fail. She would have to be a secret so Sora didn't come hunting her down or something like that( probaly the reason they weren't called Organization XIV). It's just a theory anyway.

[Insane_Squrriel]

no they dont exist at the same time.terras battle is in the past(sora use the portal like the balck-white world)
and i said that xehanort is terra not xemnas
xemnas is maybe terras nobody
and remember the first xemnas form....it was a armored knight

Actually, Nomura has stated that the Terra Battle is non-cannon.

[Fallout]

I think it was kinda stupid of Square Enix to reveal a fourteenth member. I mean, doesn't that ruin the whole title 'Organization XIII'?

But, I hope the XIII member is cool or I'll be mad. =p

[Sora_The_keyblademaster]

It's actually XIV member XIII is 13! Maybe they did not ruined it Nomura would never say something to ruin the whole thing!

[Enigmatic XIV]

Riku never lost his heart... he lost his body. His soul and his heart stayed connected, so he was never a heartless.

And Riku's nobody being a girl... I realy doubt it. That would be pretty wierd. *shivers*

O_o; I thought Riku's nobody was Axel.
Their eyes are the same, so is their attitude.
Riku gave his heart to darkness in KH 1, becoming Xehanort's Heartless, but before that had a heartless form himself. Like Xehanort's heartless, couldn't Riku have kept his form?

Though to argue my own point, Axel should have been able to weild keyblades if he was. And from sources, everyone in the organization but Roxas remembered who they were before they were nobodies.

So I confused myself and wasted some space. On to XIV
Girl? Sure
Who is it? I bet someone Roxas ends up being close too seeing as she is a so called key element in 358/2. But I don't think we've met her before, nor do I believe she is Aqua or Aqua'a nobody. 358/2 is focused around Roxas story from when he joined Organization XIII, to when he left. Roxas must have met her during that time, and for the first time during that game. Therefore, she is a complete enigma that the only thing we have to go on is scans of her and what Namoura(sp?) says.

I think it was kinda stupid of Square Enix to reveal a fourteenth member. I mean, doesn't that ruin the whole title 'Organization XIII'?

But, I hope the XIII member is cool or I'll be mad. =p
Sorry if this double posts but I have to say something.
Enix said they had 14 member's but kept their name 13 for a reason, why we don't know.

[Sora_The_keyblademaster]

Enix said they had 14 member's but kept their name 13 for a reason, why we don't know.

Maybe she dies or maybe she is kept as secret by Xemnas even now! Because that the tittle didn't change!

[Hayabusa]

I think Organization XIII didn't include the 14th member cause of heresy or something. Ya know, they wouldn't want to be affiliating a traitor with them.

[The Other Side]

I think Organization XIII didn't include the 14th member cause of heresy or something. Ya know, they wouldn't want to be affiliating a traitor with them.
What about the whole Castle Oblivion thing? Marluxia the leader of the whole rebellion thing. He was a traitor and yet they kept their name as XIII...Maybe number XIV was never innitiated or something...What if she isn't a nobody and is some kind of spy(sounds kinda stupid but it makes sense to me)? Then near the end of the game the rest of the organization finds out and Roxas/other member is sent to kill her. Then either she dies or she gets away and isn't seen again...or is erased from existance and memory...

[Kaiionel]

That is possible--her being a spy, I mean. Since she isn't mentioned in any of the other games (as far as we know), maybe the Organization wanted to forget about her for some reason. Or maybe all memories of her were wiped because of who she was or something she did...there are endless possibilities here. I just get the feeling everybody did or wanted to forget about her.

My sister and brother and I are just calling her Joeexa until we know what her real name is. XD

[00Roxas00]

A spy huh? Well that sounds lika possibility but i still go with the Aqua theory.

[Sora_The_keyblademaster]

A spy huh? Well that sounds lika possibility but i still go with the Aqua theory.

Yeah me too!

[Enigmatic XIV]

That is possible--her being a spy, I mean. Since she isn't mentioned in any of the other games (as far as we know), maybe the Organization wanted to forget about her for some reason. Or maybe all memories of her were wiped because of who she was or something she did...there are endless possibilities here. I just get the feeling everybody did or wanted to forget about her.

My sister and brother and I are just calling her Joeexa until we know what her real name is. XD
*itchs away form changing her name to that* XD
I doubt she is a spy, Xemnas can obviously tell who is and isn't a nobody, being the strongest nobody.
However, reviewing some theories, it could actually possibly be Aqua. Seeing as Xemnas goes a speaks to Aqua's armor directly in the Room of Sleep. Birth by Sleep and 358/2 will foreshadow the most for KH3(which obviously has to come out on PS3). That armor scene wasn't created without reason. It may just be her. INFACT, the reason they didn't change their name is because maybe Aqua was not like the rest of them. Its a little difficult to explain.

Of course I'm not believeing much of what I say myself, theories are theories.

[The Other Side]

Well I doubt Xemnas would know anything. He isn't Darth Vader. He didn't know about the whole Marluxia getting people to rebel against him(if he did there would be no COM game most likely). Aqua...well she's 10 years before KH and number 14 is a new member entirely. Too young to match up with the timelines.

[khmaniac101]

yea unless your nobody can be younger I doubt its aqua

and also my theory is that ven and aqua die at the end of BBS (yet I still support venxaqua) and the organization wasn't formed till xehanort (terra?) was turned into a heartless and nobody and if it is terra than it would have had to been at least 9 years ago which rules out aqua unless the nobody can be younger but I'd say it was later or they would have made themselves known beforehand.

[Brexen]

O.K to start off Roxas is the 14th Member if Aqua is the 13th Member because Roxas wasn't even created yet. So Aqua being the 14th Member would be scrapped. So it would have to be someone who was once in the Org who quit in come back to be possible. However this may of been a mistake by the creators.

[The Other Side]

Hmmm...I'm just wondering what could she have done to be erased from the org. I think she was alive during COM(they didn't call themselves organization XIII 'till KH2...I think). She must have either done something worse than Marluxia, not have been innitiated, or wasn't what she seemed to be. Unless (insert completely new character here) took her/killed her and erased her from memory of the Org.

[Sora_The_keyblademaster]

Hmmm...I'm just wondering what could she have done to be erased from the org. I think she was alive during COM(they didn't call themselves organization XIII 'till KH2...I think). She must have either done something worse than Marluxia, not have been innitiated, or wasn't what she seemed to be. Unless (insert completely new character here) took her/killed her and erased her from memory of the Org.

Yeah I think you are right. In COM they called themselves just Organization!

[Axelrific]

Hmmm...I'm just wondering what could she have done to be erased from the org. I think she was alive during COM(they didn't call themselves organization XIII 'till KH2...I think). She must have either done something worse than Marluxia, not have been innitiated, or wasn't what she seemed to be. Unless (insert completely new character here) took her/killed her and erased her from memory of the Org.

From what im certain, sounds weird but, she must've tried to seduced Roxas and Axel was jealous and he decided to make a "move".

[The Other Side]

From what im certain, sounds weird but, she must've tried to seduced Roxas and Axel was jealous and he decided to make a "move".
That...actually makes sense. Although that is a little overused(bad girl seducing the good guy to get what they want). So...I think it's interesting that she is the only organization member that we've seen that doesn't have a magic cloak. We can actually SEE part of her face through the hood.

[Axelrific]

That...actually makes sense. Although that is a little overused(bad girl seducing the good guy to get what they want). So...I think it's interesting that she is the only organization member that we've seen that doesn't have a magic cloak. We can actually SEE part of her face through the hood.

And in the game's trailer she took of the part blocking the head but that cameo rapidly changed. But, expecting from Nomura he will just make 14 to seduce him to kill Xemnas.

[Sora_The_keyblademaster]

And in the game's trailer she took of the part blocking the head but that cameo rapidly changed. But, expecting from Nomura he will just make 14 to seduce him to kill Xemnas.

We really don't know about that maybe Xemnas keeps her secret and who knows even now (I mean Sora's time) she might be still alive and that would make a nice new journey for Sora and his friends!

[DeadHeart]

Hmmm...I'm just wondering what could she have done to be erased from the org. I think she was alive during COM(they didn't call themselves organization XIII 'till KH2...I think). She must have either done something worse than Marluxia, not have been innitiated, or wasn't what she seemed to be. Unless (insert completely new character here) took her/killed her and erased her from memory of the Org.

She was alive during COM(At least on the end).
And maybe she become whole again that's why she was erased from the Org.

[Sora_The_keyblademaster]

She was alive during COM(At least on the end).
And maybe she become whole again that's why she was erased from the Org.

Hmmm... maybe! But how? Kingdom Hearts wasn't complete, that's what all the org members waited in KH2 so they could get their hearts back, so how she could do this?

[The Other Side]

Hmmm... maybe! But how? Kingdom Hearts wasn't complete, that's what all the org members waited in KH2 so they could get their hearts back, so how she could do this?

Exactly what I thought. Plus if she went normal the Org. would be after her to find out how she did it.

[DeadHeart]

Hmmm... maybe! But how? Kingdom Hearts wasn't complete, that's what all the org members waited in KH2 so they could get their hearts back, so how she could do this?

Maybe she found her original self like Roxas and was still wearing a black coat,preventing the Org. from finding her.

[Enigmatic XIV]

*walks in with theories in hand* JEBUS!
Aqua being miss 14, the seducing of Roxas, it all makes perfect sense seeing as its near obvious that Ven and Aqua had something going. Ven looks like Roxas, and Aqua's nobodiy(or Aqua herself?) comes onto Roxas for just looking like him, maybe even calling him Ven from time to time in the game.

Everything is adding up to Aqua being miss 14. But i also suspect, the reason why Roxas left the organization wasn't because of knowledge of Sora, but knowledge that Aqua gives him on keyblader Ven, who he looks exactly like. My mind is racing here and I can't put it all down in time, but use you imagination. XP

[Sora_The_keyblademaster]

Maybe she found her original self like Roxas and was still wearing a black coat,preventing the Org. from finding her.

You might be right there! I mean Namine and Roxas are nobodies but they really didn't turn themselves into darkness!

[Random Angel]

I agree with DeadHeart

@ Enigmatic XIV Those are some pretty good thoeries. But it is possible that Ven and Roxas are only look alikes or that Roxas either don't know Ven or remembers him

[The Other Side]

I agree with DeadHeart

@ Enigmatic XIV Those are some pretty good thoeries. But it is possible that Ven and Roxas are only look alikes or that Roxas either don't know Ven or remembers him
They are more than look a likes. Also, why would Aqua have a nobody that is that young? She looks Roxas' age which doesn't make sense. Also she would have had to have been an early Org. member since Aqua is in BBS and that is 11 years before KH2. I think she's a new character that will have a connection to someone else...but...there is a tiny chance that it could be Aqua's nobody(not Aqua herself though unless she used magic to get into the...DAMN!).'

New theory. Aqua could be the XIV member! She somehow...didn't age or something due to an event at the end of BBS(maybe went into a deep sleep?). Uses magic to disguise herself and go into the Org.XIII. Xemnas eventually finds out and we find her armor laying on the ground with Xemnas talking to her. But...it's so unlikely...it has a lot of holes so far in that theory(I had never read a Aqua=XIV member theory so I didn't steal).

[khmaniac101]

They are more than look a likes. Also, why would Aqua have a nobody that is that young? She looks Roxas' age which doesn't make sense. Also she would have had to have been an early Org. member since Aqua is in BBS and that is 11 years before KH2. I think she's a new character that will have a connection to someone else...but...there is a tiny chance that it could be Aqua's nobody(not Aqua herself though unless she used magic to get into the...DAMN!).'

New theory. Aqua could be the XIV member! She somehow...didn't age or something due to an event at the end of BBS(maybe went into a deep sleep?). Uses magic to disguise herself and go into the Org.XIII. Xemnas eventually finds out and we find her armor laying on the ground with Xemnas talking to her. But...it's so unlikely...it has a lot of holes so far in that theory(I had never read a Aqua=XIV member theory so I didn't steal).

well I think xemnas visits aqua's armor because he is terra's nobody (xehanort and terra look ALOT alike besides the hair color) but a good theory but why would xemnas have that kind of affection for a new recruit?

[Enigmatic XIV]

I agree with DeadHeart

@ Enigmatic XIV Those are some pretty good thoeries. But it is possible that Ven and Roxas are only look alikes or that Roxas either don't know Ven or remembers him
I never said they were the same person, just that they looked alike. As for the magic theory, the is quite possible, but I support the deep sleep theory better...

But keep oin mind we could ALL be wrong. Since Aqua ia the only barely tapped female character, we are associating her with XIV. She could just be someone completely different.

But I can't help but feel there is a reason Ven and Roxas look alike....They are somehow connected?

[Deathsight44]

After kingdom hearts, BBS comes out, I am sure that they will begin to develope kingdom hearts III.

I am quite certain that she will appear in that one, and surely will have some sort of a grudge against sora. Until then though, I doubt that anyone will be able to get any information on who she is, and what her purpose was, though I can assume that she most likely was a secret agent for xemnas or one of the others who was meant to carry out certain plans which were unrelated to becoming whole.

For all we know, the orginization may have had more enemies then simply the do gooders who put an end to them.




I am simply stating an oppinion. You all most likely had an idea like this already, so I'm just gonna leave you all with that

[The Other Side]

After kingdom hearts, BBS comes out, I am sure that they will begin to develope kingdom hearts III.

I am quite certain that she will appear in that one, and surely will have some sort of a grudge against sora. Until then though, I doubt that anyone will be able to get any information on who she is, and what her purpose was, though I can assume that she most likely was a secret agent for xemnas or one of the others who was meant to carry out certain plans which were unrelated to becoming whole.

For all we know, the orginization may have had more enemies then simply the do gooders who put an end to them.




I am simply stating an oppinion. You all most likely had an idea like this already, so I'm just gonna leave you all with that
Well...I doubt she would be a secret...DAMN! Another theory. This one might be completely wrong since I can't remember something...and that something is the major flaw.

So let's say she's Xemnas' "secret apprentice/secret helper" (Force Unleashed anyone?). Xemnas only exposes her existence to a few members and keeps it quiet to the others. That's why he didn't change the name, because only a few trusted members knew about her. So she goes of and does his dirty work(maybe like how Namine was used except this one is willing to work for the organization). So yeah...The thing is. I don't know if he reveals her existence to everyone or not, and if Namine might have been involved to make everyone forget about her(Number Fourteen).

[DeadHeart]

Well...I doubt she would be a secret...DAMN! Another theory. This one might be completely wrong since I can't remember something...and that something is the major flaw.

So let's say she's Xemnas' "secret apprentice/secret helper" (Force Unleashed anyone?). Xemnas only exposes her existence to a few members and keeps it quiet to the others. That's why he didn't change the name, because only a few trusted members knew about her. So she goes of and does his dirty work(maybe like how Namine was used except this one is willing to work for the organization). So yeah...The thing is. I don't know if he reveals her existence to everyone or not, and if Namine might have been involved to make everyone forget about her(Number Fourteen).

Just remembering but,she doesn't exist if she's a nobody.

And what are your guesses for her weapon?
Nobody thought about it yet.

[gamefreakabby]

ok I'm new here but i have a thery I leared from resurch.

the 14th member is what's her face and she thinks Roxas is (bad at names) and canvinses him to leave and is killed.

[The Other Side]

Just remembering but,she doesn't exist if she's a nobody.

And what are your guesses for her weapon?
Nobody thought about it yet.

Don't be smart with me! xD

Her weapon...time?...Luxord never actually had time as a power(it's actually...luck or something).

[Solid Snake]

Don't be smart with me! xD

Her weapon...time?...Luxord never actually had time as a power(it's actually...luck or something).
That secret aprintice crap you wrote is a total rip from Star Wars: FU lol

My thoughts on this enigma are as follows:

1 She betrayed them and showed Roxas something to make him feel as she did

2 She didnt last long and parished too soon to change the name

3 She isnt a nobody, just a sort of spy (My dumbest idea so far)

[The Other Side]

That secret aprintice crap you wrote is a total rip from Star Wars: FU lol

My thoughts on this enigma are as follows:

1 She betrayed them and showed Roxas something to make him feel as she did

2 She didnt last long and parished too soon to change the name

3 She isnt a nobody, just a sort of spy (My dumbest idea so far)

Yeah, I know but it made sense.

1. No comment

2. Or she was a rip off of TFU and was a secret to almost everyone

3. Yeah, I had that theory too

[Solid Snake]

Yeah, I know but it made sense.

1. No comment

2. Or she was a rip off of TFU and was a secret to almost everyone

3. Yeah, I had that theory too
TFU? OMG WTF?

[The Other Side]

TFU? OMG WTF?

TFU=The Force Unleashed...
wtf? you spammed...>_>

Okay...Now do you people think all the KH1 spells will be around or are we going to get new spells instead of gravity, stop, and aero? Roxas seems to be the best balanced character...

[DeadHeart]

TFU=The Force Unleashed...
wtf? you spammed...>_>

Okay...Now do you people think all the KH1 spells will be around or are we going to get new spells instead of gravity, stop, and aero? Roxas seems to be the best balanced character...

I wish he learns the Nobody Rays.
And instead of Gravity they could put Reflect.

[Random Angel]

I wish he learns the Nobody Rays.
And instead of Gravity,Reflect.

Gravity and Reflect are pretty much usless

[DeadHeart]

Gravity and Reflect are pretty much usless

Gravity is,but Reflect is good.

[The Other Side]

Gravity and Reflect are pretty much usless
Why would you say Reflect is useless!!! It's probably one of the best spells if used properly...
I want Roxas to learn how to do that move in KHFM+ where he shouts, "Come on!" and floats in the middle of the screen. Also for him to use those...laser beams...
Xemans...I want him to use those "thorns" that you have to use Reversal on.
Those are some of my dream moves. Other than Roxas going all out with both keyblades.

[Sora_The_keyblademaster]

Why would you say Reflect is useless!!! It's probably one of the best spells if used properly...
I want Roxas to learn how to do that move in KHFM+ where he shouts, "Come on!" and floats in the middle of the screen. Also for him to use those...laser beams...
Xemans...I want him to use those "thorns" that you have to use Reversal on.
Those are some of my dream moves. Other than Roxas going all out with both keyblades.

I really agree!
When I got KH2 I thought Magnet and Reflect were useless but now I use them all the time!

[kingdomhearts123]

ya dude reflect is hecka helpful on septhiroth

[gamefreakabby]

I also heard a romur that 14 is Anson's little girl. Can it be true?

[DeadHeart]

I really agree!
When I got KH2 I thought Magnet and Reflect were useless but now I use them all the time!

The same here.
You can't beat KH2 FM without using them.

I also heard a romur that 14 is Anson's little girl. Can it be true?

If he has a daugther,maybe.

[The Other Side]

How can she be a daughter of anyone? Nobodies don't have parents...although their others could. I doubt it'll be like that though. Not many families in the KH universe. Even less likely for an important character.

[Allstargamer]

I also heard a romur that 14 is Anson's little girl. Can it be true?

There's also been rumor of Kairi being Ansem the Wise's Daughter, doesn't make it true though. I'd wager that 14 has no connections what so ever.

[kingdomhearts123]

if they do get a 14th member it might be riku. idk y i thought of that its just that prolly who its going to be.

[Allstargamer]

if they do get a 14th member it might be riku. idk y i thought of that its just that prolly who its going to be.

Uh


A: The fourteenth member has already been confirmed to be female.

&


B: How could he join if He and Sora destroyed them?

[What?]

Uh


A: The fourteenth member has already been confirmed to be female.

&


B: How could he join if He and Sora destroyed them?

For B, I believe you are talking about the Organization, when you mean "them"?

358/2 Days takes place before KHII and after KH1 (I think?), when Roxas is in the Organization. None of them are actually dead yet.

[DeadHeart]

For B, I believe you are talking about the Organization, when you mean "them"?

358/2 Days takes place before KHII and after KH1 (I think?), when Roxas is in the Organization. None of them are actually dead yet.

When Roxas enter the Org. they are all alive,but some time later 5 of them die by the hands of Sora and Riku.