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khsuperfan
04-04-2008, 06:43 PM
Why are ancient religions gone? I ask this as a rehtorical question to see what u'll all say about it, but do any of you pay attention to that kinda stuff? just asking, so don't nobody freak out on me ( i'm primarily talking to athiest there, because u guys tend to do that on religious topics, so take a chill pill^__^).

Dredica
04-04-2008, 06:44 PM
'Cause Christians forced most people to believe in Christianity so that's why.

DPWolf
04-04-2008, 06:49 PM
Another reason is that empires collapse and civilizations disappear, and their religion goes with them. Though there's still people that believe in some older teachings. I want to be Shinto one day, though I don't really know how that'll work out with my heritage. ._.

Dredica
04-04-2008, 06:52 PM
I think you can pretend to worship one religon, but worship another one for real. Thus bringing back ancient religons. And what DPwolf said.

Xendran
04-04-2008, 09:42 PM
Or people just don't believe them anymore.

Darkwatch
04-04-2008, 10:13 PM
Why are ancient religions gone? I ask this as a rehtorical question to see what u'll all say about it, but do any of you pay attention to that kinda stuff? just asking, so don't nobody freak out on me ( i'm primarily talking to athiest there, because u guys tend to do that on religious topics, so take a chill pill^__^).@ bolded: lol wtf?

Anyway, not all ancient religions are gone. Judaism is still around. That's been around since before the common era. =) We create new religions, and thus we can shed the old ones that are no longer able to explain things as in depth.

And I think ancient religions ended because they become obsolete over time. We are constantly seeking truth, and different theisms are started to try and explain these things profoundly. And also, because our technology, via telescopes, satellites, and the like, has shown us the Earth and the universe from a broader perspective. We no longer need to just "look up at the sky" and make up a hypothesis about how everything started. In a way, theism and ancient religion (and religion in general) has become obsolete.

Erkz
04-04-2008, 10:26 PM
People find logical, more practical answers in experimentation and science. So, they shift away from the illogical answers that religion gives to them, and find more acceptable ones in science.

=| Also, you do know that ancient religions were tyrannical, and would execute you if you didn't believe in them, right?

Zandyne
04-04-2008, 11:54 PM
People find logical, more practical answers in experimentation and science. So, they shift away from the illogical answers that religion gives to them, and find more acceptable ones in science.

=| Also, you do know that ancient religions were tyrannical, and would execute you if you didn't believe in them, right?

Name a large organization, belief system or group that really follows its doctrine or creed wholly and doesn't discriminate outsiders in some way, shape or form. (The very existence of Hell or damnation is a good example of this, even if you are still a good person you are promised an equal fate to the "truly evil" just because you didn't follow the same divine being.) So to say that ancient religions were tyrannical and execute you if you didn't believe them, although true in some cases would be a far cry from saying it as the whole truth of all ancient religions. Technically Buddhism is an ancient religion and they never killed anyone, nor was it tyrannical.

In other news, Religion in general is a beautiful and complex device often used in ancient times to unify, stupefy and keep the general populous controlled as well as have a healthy economy due to an availability of being able to exchange money for keeping the local faith healthy! (Polytheistic faiths would have sacrifices, charms and other such things, Monotheistic would be donations, text purchases, "investments" and other such purchases!)

People also change religions due to Paradigm shifts in culture and social changes. If you haven't noticed the current trend is simplicity in terms of religious faiths. I also wonder what the next trend of religions will be when our current "top Five" are replaced with new doctrines if they come about in our lifetime.

Crumpet
04-05-2008, 12:55 AM
im guessing no boday believes in them anymore... because people want to go there own way now

Xegreny
04-05-2008, 12:57 AM
Because back in olden times, freedom of worship was not a common concept. The Roman Empire converted most of Europe/Asia Minor to Christianity at fear of death.

Sanda
04-05-2008, 01:00 AM
Why are ancient religions gone?

Not gonna lie; I haven't got much to offer on this subject.
What I will say is that they obviously didn't work for whatever reason. So, there must've been large flaws in them overall. Also, as times change, certain ways of thinking fall in & out of style so I imagine this would be another reason for it.
Interesting thread...interesting replies thus far.

DPWolf
04-05-2008, 01:44 AM
I think another reason is probably that over time, religions got sort of "mixed" together over time. The religion that had more people following it overtakes the other religion and it sort of fades away.

Repliku
04-05-2008, 02:00 AM
The reason for many religions being gone is Christianity, though other religions such as Islam and Judaism and Egyptian mythos also absorbed many groups or squashed them out. This is always a controversial topic since many people either aren't informed and believe less happened or some people believe it is far worse than what I post here so if I offend anyone, I apologize ahead of time. It is what I've learned over the years being a history buff and I'm really shortening a lot of it but trying to give the main ideas on what transpired through records.

Egyptian religion early on was highly adaptable and blended with other groups that were local in areas as the Egyptian Empire took many territories. Many Polytheistic faiths would as seizing territory take in the local deities of the regions as well to worship and use the new names as well as former ones of deities that had the same functions so some deities just blended or merged in. Those with different functions were also taken for the whole groups. Hinduism, Egyptian, Roman and Greek mythos did this often. Also, some areas in the Mesopotamian regions collapsed and rose on their own or through wars and catastrophes which wiped out local beliefs. Jewish followers of the times also wrote the Bible and collected, finishing it in Babylon and took some ideals from the areas such as Ziggurats, making events different from the local religious beliefs. Then comes Christianity, which either absorbed religious ideals and traditional holidays etc or deleted them, killing off those who were extreme in other beliefs to quell others and take over as the religion and land requirements grew. Egyptian, Celtic, Norse, Germanic, Roman etc Mythos all went the way of the dodo pretty much because of Christianity, inspired by the Romans that had converted. Islam is another radical religion that duked it out with Christianity and these other groups too. However, the Muslims of course fared much better and are the second most powerful religion today.

Wars and expansions happened all through the Dark Ages and prior. When Rome converted to Christianity, the old habit of expansion was still in progress. The only difference between the Roman Empire's expansion is that they did not particularly care as much what religions or traditions people had. As a matter-a-fact, a lot of these religious ideas even ended up in Rome and colored up their own beliefs or non-beliefs, for they had non-religious too and philosophers. Christianity changed a lot of those ideals. So with the Roman way of life and territory claiming coupled with the Christian opinion that there is only -one- true religion, other religious groups suffered that were already under Roman rule and then after that nations began doing their own spreading of the religion after it was embedded into them when the Roman Empire had fallen.

Then you have eras like the Crusades and Inquisition periods and laws made in places pertaining to 'disbelievers'. The religion traveled through Russia, north also into England, Norway, Sweden, etc and again there was resistance. However, since some of these groups were more strong at resisting and the weather conditions made hard for war but for some of these groups and other reasons, people tried new techniques. It went back to the 'Romanizing' ways of thought with Monks and others who traveled north and did not consider 'war' a viable option since they were more peaceful. There was war so don't get me wrong there, but often monks would go to these areas and convert some groups more peacefully. They absorbed holidays to work along with Christian days because people were very adamant on not giving these up. The north was cold in winters and needed something to do than be grim. So Easter and Winter Solstice/Yule ended up being accepted in Christianity but with Christian overtones instead of the northern Celtic and Norse beliefs amongst some others and days were shifted around to be compliant. This is why we have additional holiday festivities that originally were not Christian such as the Yule Tree, Yule log, mistle toe, easter eggs, giant festive meals, etc.

Also Christian monks did write down some tales such as Beowulf which were told by mouth for generations, albeit adding Christian undertones again to them so they would endure and not be destroyed by the Church. Some monks really took chances doing this because they were more benevolent than the churches they associated with and took up causes of some of the less violent Saints. The Christian movement by the monks was not so hard to accept as the message the people would bring was one of peace and hope for people some of the time by monks after military had seized areas. Adaptation was a big thing that was kind of forced on people and at the same time incorporated days and local events of each area so they could still have some of their cultures.

So, all in all it comes down to the basics that land was taken and seized by powerful people who had beliefs in Christianity often back when it was a very violent religion. Islam had its influence too and some places that did not want to convert to Christianity went that way instead and rebelled against it. This sometimes also caused wars and skirmishes because the Muslims were also violent. Influence of the 'West' was a big thing to the countries to the east as well. When the church split to Protestant and Catholic ideals, many Protestants came to the Americas and the same process transpired there with the Native Americans as the Europeans sought to expand land and spread the word of their beliefs. So land and then settlement to regions with people of solid beliefs motivated change.

Again, I apologize if I offended anyone because I realize it's a touchy subject.

EvilMan_89
04-05-2008, 04:27 AM
i'm not entirely sure and i dont' claim to be an expert or anything on religion (heck, i couldn't care less about it) but i would guess that they just died out becuz they either found their beliefs to be disproven or false. or no one really accepted it and it just died form lack of interest.

DPWolf
04-05-2008, 06:01 PM
Or hostile takeovers. As people have said, Christianity has its hands stained with blood of a LOT of people.
Another example is the Spanish invastion of the Aztecs. No more sacrificing people after they took over. D=

Incipiency
04-05-2008, 07:06 PM
The victors write the history books. Plain and simple. When Christianity began to come about in force, (mostly because of their belief in one true God) it began to "rub against" the other religious communities. Some of those communities believed that there were many gods, or none at all. It infuriated the Christians. Back then, they didn't have a television, or a computer to distract them from what was going on around them. It was hard work, and good faith that kept them going. So everyone was very devout to whatever personal beliefs they had.

Now, if someone who didn't believe in "God" walked up to these dudes and said "Pfft. One God? I piss on your God!" (I'm a free thinking Christian. This is all theoretically said, I don't feel like starting a flame war on my first day here. . .), then I could understand why they suddenly became filled with religous fervor, and then ran about converting nearby people, eventually threatening those remaining, and then finally attacking them.

Christianity in general easily has one of the most bloody histories. It was their way, or you get burned at the stake/decapitated/stoned/if-your-lucky-you-get-exiled. . . You get it. Several someones wrote down stuff, but most of the people who could read and write back then were clergy! So, let's say they sugared the events a bit, emphasizing and exaggerating on "the fact" that they were all heathens, with demonic gods and primitive customs. I guess burning people alive isn't primitive.

Others outside the range of this spreading violence heard news of it, and either ran, or converted on the spot when those missionaries showed up. I'm in no way saying that there were no genuine conversions, but compared to the amount of people who were forced... And, its rather ironic. "Back then", Islam was coming about as well, and compared to what the radicals are doing today, they were saints. Very few kings who followed Islam forced their people to convert (the people they conquered). Now, within their own kingdom, they were to either convert, or get exiled for the most part. Islam was very appealing to the lower classes (as was Christianity), promising a better life after you die, and the lower class in all societies had the biggest population. ****, another thunderstorm in Florida... I;ve gotta get off. I like this topic, I'll edit this later with more stuff.

Xephos
04-06-2008, 04:48 AM
I'm still forced to follow christianity the old school.

khsuperfan
04-07-2008, 12:31 PM
The reason for many religions being gone is Christianity, though other religions such as Islam and Judaism and Egyptian mythos also absorbed many groups or squashed them out. This is always a controversial topic since many people either aren't informed and believe less happened or some people believe it is far worse than what I post here so if I offend anyone, I apologize ahead of time. It is what I've learned over the years being a history buff and I'm really shortening a lot of it but trying to give the main ideas on what transpired through records.

Egyptian religion early on was highly adaptable and blended with other groups that were local in areas as the Egyptian Empire took many territories. Many Polytheistic faiths would as seizing territory take in the local deities of the regions as well to worship and use the new names as well as former ones of deities that had the same functions so some deities just blended or merged in. Those with different functions were also taken for the whole groups. Hinduism, Egyptian, Roman and Greek mythos did this often. Also, some areas in the Mesopotamian regions collapsed and rose on their own or through wars and catastrophes which wiped out local beliefs. Jewish followers of the times also wrote the Bible and collected, finishing it in Babylon and took some ideals from the areas such as Ziggurats, making events different from the local religious beliefs. Then comes Christianity, which either absorbed religious ideals and traditional holidays etc or deleted them, killing off those who were extreme in other beliefs to quell others and take over as the religion and land requirements grew. Egyptian, Celtic, Norse, Germanic, Roman etc Mythos all went the way of the dodo pretty much because of Christianity, inspired by the Romans that had converted. Islam is another radical religion that duked it out with Christianity and these other groups too. However, the Muslims of course fared much better and are the second most powerful religion today.

Wars and expansions happened all through the Dark Ages and prior. When Rome converted to Christianity, the old habit of expansion was still in progress. The only difference between the Roman Empire's expansion is that they did not particularly care as much what religions or traditions people had. As a matter-a-fact, a lot of these religious ideas even ended up in Rome and colored up their own beliefs or non-beliefs, for they had non-religious too and philosophers. Christianity changed a lot of those ideals. So with the Roman way of life and territory claiming coupled with the Christian opinion that there is only -one- true religion, other religious groups suffered that were already under Roman rule and then after that nations began doing their own spreading of the religion after it was embedded into them when the Roman Empire had fallen.

Then you have eras like the Crusades and Inquisition periods and laws made in places pertaining to 'disbelievers'. The religion traveled through Russia, north also into England, Norway, Sweden, etc and again there was resistance. However, since some of these groups were more strong at resisting and the weather conditions made hard for war but for some of these groups and other reasons, people tried new techniques. It went back to the 'Romanizing' ways of thought with Monks and others who traveled north and did not consider 'war' a viable option since they were more peaceful. There was war so don't get me wrong there, but often monks would go to these areas and convert some groups more peacefully. They absorbed holidays to work along with Christian days because people were very adamant on not giving these up. The north was cold in winters and needed something to do than be grim. So Easter and Winter Solstice/Yule ended up being accepted in Christianity but with Christian overtones instead of the northern Celtic and Norse beliefs amongst some others and days were shifted around to be compliant. This is why we have additional holiday festivities that originally were not Christian such as the Yule Tree, Yule log, mistle toe, easter eggs, giant festive meals, etc.

Also Christian monks did write down some tales such as Beowulf which were told by mouth for generations, albeit adding Christian undertones again to them so they would endure and not be destroyed by the Church. Some monks really took chances doing this because they were more benevolent than the churches they associated with and took up causes of some of the less violent Saints. The Christian movement by the monks was not so hard to accept as the message the people would bring was one of peace and hope for people some of the time by monks after military had seized areas. Adaptation was a big thing that was kind of forced on people and at the same time incorporated days and local events of each area so they could still have some of their cultures.

So, all in all it comes down to the basics that land was taken and seized by powerful people who had beliefs in Christianity often back when it was a very violent religion. Islam had its influence too and some places that did not want to convert to Christianity went that way instead and rebelled against it. This sometimes also caused wars and skirmishes because the Muslims were also violent. Influence of the 'West' was a big thing to the countries to the east as well. When the church split to Protestant and Catholic ideals, many Protestants came to the Americas and the same process transpired there with the Native Americans as the Europeans sought to expand land and spread the word of their beliefs. So land and then settlement to regions with people of solid beliefs motivated change.

Again, I apologize if I offended anyone because I realize it's a touchy subject.

The victors write the history books. Plain and simple. When Christianity began to come about in force, (mostly because of their belief in one true God) it began to "rub against" the other religious communities. Some of those communities believed that there were many gods, or none at all. It infuriated the Christians. Back then, they didn't have a television, or a computer to distract them from what was going on around them. It was hard work, and good faith that kept them going. So everyone was very devout to whatever personal beliefs they had.

Now, if someone who didn't believe in "God" walked up to these dudes and said "Pfft. One God? I piss on your God!" (I'm a free thinking Christian. This is all theoretically said, I don't feel like starting a flame war on my first day here. . .), then I could understand why they suddenly became filled with religous fervor, and then ran about converting nearby people, eventually threatening those remaining, and then finally attacking them.

Christianity in general easily has one of the most bloody histories. It was their way, or you get burned at the stake/decapitated/stoned/if-your-lucky-you-get-exiled. . . You get it. Several someones wrote down stuff, but most of the people who could read and write back then were clergy! So, let's say they sugared the events a bit, emphasizing and exaggerating on "the fact" that they were all heathens, with demonic gods and primitive customs. I guess burning people alive isn't primitive.

Others outside the range of this spreading violence heard news of it, and either ran, or converted on the spot when those missionaries showed up. I'm in no way saying that there were no genuine conversions, but compared to the amount of people who were forced... And, its rather ironic. "Back then", Islam was coming about as well, and compared to what the radicals are doing today, they were saints. Very few kings who followed Islam forced their people to convert (the people they conquered). Now, within their own kingdom, they were to either convert, or get exiled for the most part. Islam was very appealing to the lower classes (as was Christianity), promising a better life after you die, and the lower class in all societies had the biggest population. ****, another thunderstorm in Florida... I;ve gotta get off. I like this topic, I'll edit this later with more stuff.
skimmed over both quotes a bit, but your both right. History is written by the victors, and thats the problem with our historical records. Thats why peole need to look outside there little box of info, and find the truth. But, i'd have to say, bravo to both of you.

kaseykockroach
04-07-2008, 12:34 PM
This has probaly already stated by now, but...
Most of those people have converted to Christainity (forgive my spelling. It's 7 am here, so I'm sleepy) due to peer pressure. Almost EVERYBODY I know is Roman Catholic now.

Advent
04-07-2008, 08:40 PM
Because the civilizations that practiced them are almost entirely destroyed, or radically reformed.

khsuperfan
04-07-2008, 08:58 PM
and thats what I despise..........

White_Rook
04-08-2008, 06:45 PM
and thats what I despise..........

It was simply the process of how the world works in its barest of forms. Strong majorities survive and the minorities eventually trail off into nothing, if not very little.

khsuperfan
04-08-2008, 08:02 PM
It was simply the process of how the world works in its barest of forms. Strong majorities survive and the minorities eventually trail off into nothing, if not very little.

And that more so happens due to the fact that some generations are dumber than others. With one dumb generation, an entire empire of righteousness could in fact collapse. This is true! ^__^

DPWolf
04-08-2008, 11:28 PM
I don't think there's ever a "dumb" generation. There's only ignorance. Ignorance may be confused with stupidity, but there's an ocean's difference between them.
Changing of customs from one generation to the next can cause a downfall, but influences in other cultures in the sense of language, science, and religion are there. Take the Roman Empire for example. Even though it collapsed due to the sheer size of the empire and poor border defenses, Latin and Rome remains a HUGE influence on pretty much everyday life. Rome had spread Christianity under fear of death, and Latin is now the base of scientific words and started the six Romantic languages.
So I don't believe that the ancient things are really gone; more like they're hidden under modern cultures and customs.

White_Rook
04-09-2008, 02:57 AM
And that more so happens due to the fact that some generations are dumber than others. With one dumb generation, an entire empire of righteousness could in fact collapse. This is true! ^__^

Your opinion, seeing as your apparent faith is a source of bias. Most people however, would see such conquering as a sign of superiority, strength, and intelligence.

8730
04-09-2008, 06:22 PM
Fads end, people move on to the next "big thing" whether voluntarily or by force.

Thereby killing the old religion which at the time was considered the one and only truth.

Funny how fickle humanity is when it comes to religion.

khsuperfan
04-09-2008, 07:58 PM
I don't think there's ever a "dumb" generation. There's only ignorance. Ignorance may be confused with stupidity, but there's an ocean's difference between them.
Changing of customs from one generation to the next can cause a downfall, but influences in other cultures in the sense of language, science, and religion are there. Take the Roman Empire for example. Even though it collapsed due to the sheer size of the empire and poor border defenses, Latin and Rome remains a HUGE influence on pretty much everyday life. Rome had spread Christianity under fear of death, and Latin is now the base of scientific words and started the six Romantic languages.
So I don't believe that the ancient things are really gone; more like they're hidden under modern cultures and customs.this is very true. That would be the plus side of it....converting the victor to the defeated culture.

Your opinion, seeing as your apparent faith is a source of bias. Most people however, would see such conquering as a sign of superiority, strength, and intelligence.not neccesarily. I do think that the Romans were smart at all, the one who were smart were either evil, or if right killed by the evil ones. Persians were superior to someone like the Romans, and they lost due to one bad generation

Laurence_Fox
04-09-2008, 08:06 PM
this is very true. That would be the plus side of it....converting the victor to the defeated culture.

not neccesarily. I do think that the Romans were smart at all, the one who were smart were either evil, or if right killed by the evil ones. Persians were superior to someone like the Romans, and they lost due to one bad generation

The Roman Empire ended when the Visigoths and the Ostrogoths banded together and sacked the city of Rome. But much of Rome had already converted to Christianity by that point if I recall correctly. Since when Rome fell, began what is known in history as the Dark Ages, when humanity descended back into myth and supersition. When the devil and evil spirits ran rampant in Europe.

Though I am interested in what you mean by 'the evil ones'. If you mean the Gothic Tribes, then say so. And you have to remember that evil is a point of view. The Goths didn't see themselves as evil I'm sure and they only wished to reclaim their lands.

It's just a progression forward...or perhaps in this case a regression.

Xephos
04-10-2008, 02:06 AM
Right now my parents are saying old things die quickly if not done correctly these days. Example, in the isrealites time, they had to sacrafice a small lamb to their god everyday. Then they can't eat bread with yeast in it and then offer the young lambs blood to teh altar. They then carry the altar whenever they move to a different location. They would never work on Sundays, they wouldn't offer infected lambs, they wouldn't even sin. If there was a sinner with them, they are punished by sending them out of teh grounds, or they are stoned to death or they can't go home for 7 days. Those are lost because they are too strict these days.

khsuperfan
04-10-2008, 08:01 PM
"no matter how far away the light is, its never gone really gone."
-Kinda of a quote from Kingdom Hearts eh?
Ancient religions never truly die, as long as one person believes in them.

Destined
04-10-2008, 08:16 PM
i believe that the reason that ancient religions are gone, is because of war. War or conquests back in the olden days would pit different cultures against each other, usually with different religions, the 'winner' being given the right to choose how and of what faith the victimized civilization is to believe.

So I feel that this is why a number of religions have gone the wayside.

Xephos
04-11-2008, 01:16 AM
Well when you said that Destined, it reminded me of when Germans hated Jews and then WWII stopped all of that so I wonder if that even had to do with this anyways?

Tikem
04-11-2008, 12:39 PM
War is only one answer to the question. Sure Germans slaughtered millions of Jews but as said before, Christians have converted members of now extinct religions with force. Wich leads us to the war back again. Take the Inkas (or Maya, can't remember witch one is it) for example. The Spanish crusaders totally annihilated them. A whole religion in a ALMOST single blow. I know I'm making no sense but in conclusion I've come to this answer: The ancient religions most likely vanished, becouse of Christianity spreading so wide with basicly one kind of way. Convert or die. So either way, the religions falled.

khsuperfan
04-11-2008, 01:15 PM
War is only one answer to the question. Sure Germans slaughtered millions of Jews but as said before, Christians have converted members of now extinct religions with force. Wich leads us to the war back again. Take the Inkas (or Maya, can't remember witch one is it) for example. The Spanish crusaders totally annihilated them. A whole religion in a ALMOST single blow. I know I'm making no sense but in conclusion I've come to this answer: The ancient religions most likely vanished, becouse of Christianity spreading so wide with basicly one kind of way. Convert or die. So either way, the religions falled.

so, does that make Christianity evil?

Repliku
04-11-2008, 01:37 PM
so, does that make Christianity evil?

No, it makes people who use Christianity as a means of justifying their acts of war evil. Just like a gun isn't evil. The person using it to shoot someone and hold up a store is using it for a bad act.

Darkwatch
04-11-2008, 08:55 PM
War is only one answer to the question. Sure Germans slaughtered millions of Jews but as said before, Christians have converted members of now extinct religions with force. Wich leads us to the war back again. Take the Inkas (or Maya, can't remember witch one is it) for example. The Spanish crusaders totally annihilated them. A whole religion in a ALMOST single blow. I know I'm making no sense but in conclusion I've come to this answer: The ancient religions most likely vanished, becouse of Christianity spreading so wide with basicly one kind of way. Convert or die. So either way, the religions falled.You were right. The Inca's. :P

so, does that make Christianity evil?It is not "Christianity" which is bad. It is the act of the people, using the sword to convert others by force for a means of private justice, which is bad. Christianity alone is not evil or bad in any form. It's the people, the human, portraying the religion by a certain action, that could therefore portray the religion as bad.

DPWolf
04-11-2008, 11:21 PM
Let's not forget about disease, either. With the arrivals of the Spaniards in Central America also came the arrival of numerous diseases, most of them effective in killing of large numbers of people. So the Spaniards come with say, smallpox, and come in contact with the Incas. The Incas, who, up until this point, had never come in contact with this disease before, have absolutely no immunity to it.
So the disease spreads from person to person until most of the civilization is wiped out, and then when the conquistadors decide to eliminate the culture, the Incas had no chance, seeing as disease wiped out most of them. Again, the end of a civilization brings upon the end of a religion.

Same thing goes with several Native American tribes. White settlers come, bringing with them disease that the Native Americans had never come in contact with, and the process goes on. In fact, during the French-Indian War (during the time of the Seven Years' War), several French generals decided to make victory easier by giving blankets infected with smallpox to the neighboring Native American tribes.
Sure enough, most of them died and were then defeated by the French. Another culture goes out.

Another example is the Black Death epidemic during the Middle Ages. That wiped out a lot of people from ALL religions, though it was probably a majority of Christians, since around that time in Europe most of the population was Christian, thanks to the Roman expansion.
I've obviously been reading too much of The Demon in the Freezer. But still. It gets the point across. xD

Repliku
04-12-2008, 02:50 AM
Let's not forget about disease, either. With the arrivals of the Spaniards in Central America also came the arrival of numerous diseases, most of them effective in killing of large numbers of people. So the Spaniards come with say, smallpox, and come in contact with the Incas. The Incas, who, up until this point, had never come in contact with this disease before, have absolutely no immunity to it.
So the disease spreads from person to person until most of the civilization is wiped out, and then when the conquistadors decide to eliminate the culture, the Incas had no chance, seeing as disease wiped out most of them. Again, the end of a civilization brings upon the end of a religion.

Same thing goes with several Native American tribes. White settlers come, bringing with them disease that the Native Americans had never come in contact with, and the process goes on. In fact, during the French-Indian War (during the time of the Seven Years' War), several French generals decided to make victory easier by giving blankets infected with smallpox to the neighboring Native American tribes.
Sure enough, most of them died and were then defeated by the French. Another culture goes out.

Another example is the Black Death epidemic during the Middle Ages. That wiped out a lot of people from ALL religions, though it was probably a majority of Christians, since around that time in Europe most of the population was Christian, thanks to the Roman expansion.
I've obviously been reading too much of The Demon in the Freezer. But still. It gets the point across. xD

The other thing about people coming to the Americas wasn't just disease...it was their mindsets. For example, religion justified stealing stored foods from the Native Americans. The settlers would -find- *cough* food stores the Native Americans had and thank God for them figuring they were blessings and stole them, which caused strife when the Native Americans grew angry. The Europeans truly came with the belief they had divine inspired rights to steal and take what they wanted from the lesser people they met. They also did warfare differently and fought with superior weapons. Native American cultures tended to be more 'spiritual' with how they warred and had their own rules.

You are right though that disease is a big factor since many Native Americans and also Africans fell to diseases that Europeans had grown more adjusted to. 80% or so of the Incan and Aztec populations may very well have fallen to disease brought by the settlers. The Spanish though were also very nasty with their tactics while looking for their gold. They weakened the Aztecs and Incas in quite a few ways through nasty warfare. Small Pox was perhaps the biggest infectious disease though at the time. There was also biological warfare through using blankets with Small Pox exposure and giving them to Native Americans in Pennsylvania area etc. Another reported possible biological incident may or may not have happened when Spanish and British soldiers possibly poisoned water wells of the Native Americans by livestock that were ill using them. Disease may have been the route that quite a few of the Native Americans, Caribs etc died. Some of it though was intentional though most probably was not. Slavery and such of Native Americans because the Spaniards did not believe they had 'souls' for some time, and putting people together in tight areas probably also could be a contributing factor of disease spread.

In South America and Mexico as well as some south western states also had poor food growth that if threatened by outsiders was tilted and broke up communities of Native Americans too. This had an impact as well but you are right. Disease coming along with the settlers was a major reason for decimation of their numbers.

An interesting thing to note, since you brought up the Black Plague, though is that the Black Plague may not have spread through Europe so badly had a city not been attacked by the Mongols who tossed their diseased mostly dead or dead people over the walls with catapults and infected the people there and some managed to escape taking the disease with them, and ferrying the rats along on their ship. How guilty people are of spreading diseases can be debated. We like to believe that the past soldiers were dumb and yet these things did go on with intent if people were that desperate to use them. Though many Christians were taken out in Europe, most of Europe at the time of the Black Plague were Christians and of course, the religion itself wasn't weakened in any way, even if there was a life expectancy for clergy men of 3 weeks when the disease was really running rampant.

Pyrɸ
04-12-2008, 08:50 AM
I don't know if this had already been covered yet... but HINDUISM still exists... and that is the most ancient one of all... worshiping idols... filled with gods and goddesses...

not ALL ancient religions are gone. HINDUISM is still going on strong.

but the reason for their disappearance... like everyone else before me have said... it's due to the top two religions of the wrold. CHRISTIANITY and ISLAM

khsuperfan
04-14-2008, 12:37 PM
No, it makes people who use Christianity as a means of justifying their acts of war evil. Just like a gun isn't evil. The person using it to shoot someone and hold up a store is using it for a bad act.this is true ^__^

I don't know if this had already been covered yet... but HINDUISM still exists... and that is the most ancient one of all... worshiping idols... filled with gods and goddesses...

not ALL ancient religions are gone. HINDUISM is still going on strong.

but the reason for their disappearance... like everyone else before me have said... it's due to the top two religions of the wrold. CHRISTIANITY and ISLAM
true, and Judaism claims they've been going on forever to, but the aren't at the top like you stated. Hinduism is awesmoe non the less^__^

P
04-27-2008, 11:38 AM
Well I can only have the guess that the new ones just outlived the old ones. Just like life.

Christianity appealed to the masses. Anyone could be a christian. It was not an exclusive club; anyone could join. So when Zeus was being forgotten along with his people, christianity was telling people "forget about them, our new club lets anyone in. Only one true god! Anyone can be one!"

Pretty much the more accepting and benevolent religions survived. The harsh ones were good to control a civilisation, but when the cilvilisation died, the religion went down with the ship.

Mythos
04-28-2008, 12:34 PM
Well I can only have the guess that the new ones just outlived the old ones. Just like life.

Christianity appealed to the masses. Anyone could be a christian. It was not an exclusive club; anyone could join. So when Zeus was being forgotten along with his people, christianity was telling people "forget about them, our new club lets anyone in. Only one true god! Anyone can be one!"

Pretty much the more accepting and benevolent religions survived. The harsh ones were good to control a civilisation, but when the cilvilisation died, the religion went down with the ship.true, but does that make Christianity liberal? They wouldn't want to hear that......