Why did no one but Japanese gamers get it?

[Number13Roxas]

Nuff said.

Okay, stupid quote. Why do you think that SE was so lazy that they couldn't afford 5000 dollars to pay voice actors and make five million?

[Anderson]

Nuff said.

Okay, stupid quote. Why do you think that SE was so lazy that they couldn't afford 5000 dollars to pay voice actors and make five million?

Maybe it wasn't laziness. It could have been time constraints due to other SE projects.

[Sora_The_keyblademaster]

And it's not the only game there many! Final Fantasy, Dragon Quest and Legend of mana

[Advent]

Nuff said.

Okay, stupid quote. Why do you think that SE was so lazy that they couldn't afford 5000 dollars to pay voice actors and make five million?

First off, your pricing is way off (too low). And second, its not a financial problem. In fact, there's no problem at all. It's a way of Square Enix giving extra perks to gamers from the same country as them. If you want it that bad, get a Swap Magic (here (http://www.swapmagic3.com/)) and the game from the internet.

[Dredica]

Well, dur, because we don't need it. We are lucky enough we are getting all the other games, I think released in America, and who knows? It might actually be released in the US/NA.

[Advent]

Well, dur, because we don't need it. We are lucky enough we are getting all the other games, I think released in America, and who knows? It might actually be released in the US/NA.

I can say with about 99% confidence that it won't. Square-Enix is too busy with other projects to make regional versions of the game, plus look at KH1 FM.

The other 1% is if Square-Enix drops one of their original projects and dedicates their time to translating it. But odds are it won't happen.

If you want, import it. It isn't too expensive.

[Hayabusa]

I can say with about 99% confidence that it won't. Square-Enix is too busy with other projects to make regional versions of the game, plus look at KH1 FM.

The other 1% is if Square-Enix drops one of their original projects and dedicates their time to translating it. But odds are it won't happen.

If you want, import it. It isn't too expensive.

That.

And why would Square-Enix spend time making and sending us a remake?

[Number13Roxas]

That.

And why would Square-Enix spend time making and sending us a remake?

Because the remake is awesome, it looks really fun.

[Hayabusa]

It doesn't matter that its a good game. Have you even seen the amount of great games exclusive to Japan?

[Advent]

That.

And why would Square-Enix spend time making and sending us a remake?

Exactly. I don't think it would make that much money because most other people would just think "Oh, I already have that game", then overlook it.

[Keyblade Spirit]

There is a rumor on KHInsider that SE is going to release all three games for the PS3.

[Number13Roxas]

There is a rumor on KHInsider that SE is going to release all three games for the PS3.

Where did you see that.

[Advent]

There is a rumor on KHInsider that SE is going to release all three games for the PS3.

Umm, yea that is definitely fake :P. Square-Enix wouldn't screw over Nintendo again.

[Number13Roxas]

Umm, yea that is definitely fake :P. Square-Enix wouldn't screw over Nintendo again.

Eh, who knows. Doubt it.

[RoxaSora2010]

not only Japaneses gamers get Re:CoM. i'm Italian, but i have it:D

[Advent]

not only Japaneses gamers get Re:CoM. i'm Italian, but i have it:D

He meant why was it only produced and intended for the Japanese gaming community.

[RoxaSora2010]

He meant why was it only produced and intended for the Japanese gaming community.

oh, srry i don't understand the thread:sweatdrop:
well, in an article, i read that they create KH 2 FM and KH Re:CoM only for Japan, because they wanted to be the only ones to possess a better game of those that the other states have and because they wanted to distinguish themselves

[Advent]

oh, srry i don't understand the thread:sweatdrop:
well, in an article, i read that they create KH 2 FM and KH Re:CoM only for Japan, because they wanted to be the only ones to possess a better game of those that the other states have and because they wanted to distinguish themselves

Hehe, that sounds about right. Sounds really selfish when you read it doesn't it? xD

[Number13Roxas]

Hehe, that sounds about right. Sounds really selfish when you read it doesn't it? xD

sure does, sometimes US gamers get the plus side, Dirge of Cerberus and KH1 good examples.

[Chevalier]

well, i would have enjoyed to have it come here

and, yea , that sounds selfish

but i doubt it would make much sales, it didnt sell that much in japan either.

[Advent]

well, i would have enjoyed to have it come here

and, yea , that sounds selfish

but i doubt it would make much sales, it didnt sell that much in japan either.

Kingdom Hearts 2 Final Mix+ was the number one PlayStation 2 game in sales during the week of its release in Japan.

Hehe, yea. It would've sold well here too. It's really a national pride thing. The Japanese made the game, they feel they deserve the better version.

[Zeftnon - The Superior]

I don't really care; we can already order the FMs online. 358/2 Days might have the CoM members' voices in english anyway, which is the main thing people are looking forward to if Re:CoM ever came out internationally.

They might release the FMs in english when they're finally done with the KH series (when Nomura has nothing else to do), but then again, I don't think too many people would be interested by then.

[RoxaSora2010]

Hehe, that sounds about right. Sounds really selfish when you read it doesn't it? xD

Yeah, it sounds very selfish, but it's right:(

[Haseo]

Because the Japanese are selfish.

[Soushirei]

Because the Japanese are selfish.
I love this response, because it's absolutely ignorant.

Did it ever occur to you to remember that the developers of KH are Japanese? This game is made in Japan. How is it selfish for the Japanese people to make a game just for themselves?

It's their choice if they want to expand the game overseas, but bear in mind that it costs a substantial amount of money to do so. There is no selfishness is making a game for just your country if you cannot afford the time or money to bring it to anyone else.

Their resources. Their money. Their time. Their country.

If you want to play this game so bad, *you* get off your behind and import the game. Square-Enix has *no* obligation to bring it over to North America.

As for the point of them 'making more money' if they brought it here, that's underestimating the resources that goes into bringing a game overseas, as well as overestimating the North American appeal for remakes.

[Haseo]

Did it ever occur to you that I'm not a retard?

[Soushirei]

Did it ever occur to you that I'm not a retard?
Could've fooled me with a hilarious one-liner like that, striked out or not.

[Advent]

Did it ever occur to you that I'm not a retard?

Could've fooled me with a hilarious one-liner like that, striked out or not.

Ok, stop the flaming. >_>

I love this response, because it's absolutely ignorant.

Did it ever occur to you to remember that the developers of KH are Japanese? This game is made in Japan. How is it selfish for the Japanese people to make a game just for themselves?

It's their choice if they want to expand the game overseas, but bear in mind that it costs a substantial amount of money to do so. There is no selfishness is making a game for just your country if you cannot afford the time or money to bring it to anyone else.

Their resources. Their money. Their time. Their country.

If you want to play this game so bad, *you* get off your behind and import the game. Square-Enix has *no* obligation to bring it over to North America.

As for the point of them 'making more money' if they brought it here, that's underestimating the resources that goes into bringing a game overseas, as well as overestimating the North American appeal for remakes.

I think that is being a bit selfish to be honest.

[Soushirei]

I don't flame.

F**k off you stupid b**** a** c*** motherf***er.

The above is flaming.

I think that is being a bit selfish to be honest.
The Japanese have every right to do what they want with things they own/make.

They have no obligation to service us in North America if they don't want to.

On the contrary, it is selfish of us to assume they need to cater to us.

If you made a video game in your basement for you and a bunch of your friends, then someone in China goes "Wow, I heard about your game and it looks awesome. Can you translate it in Chinese, redo the packaging for Chinese audiences, have it rated in accordance to our national laws and then ship it to me?"

If you said no because:
a) You do not have the funds to develop the localization
b) You don't have the time to make the localization

How is that selfish?

Kingdom Hearts is made by Japanese people using Japanese resources by a Japanese company. It is their choice and their right to only release their Japanese-made game on Japanese soil. Also considering that releasing Re:CoM in NA would most likely cause them to lose money, I really don't see how it's selfish for a company to consider their well-being.

If you want the game, import it.

[EvilMan_89]

I love this response, because it's absolutely ignorant.

Did it ever occur to you to remember that the developers of KH are Japanese? This game is made in Japan. How is it selfish for the Japanese people to make a game just for themselves?

It's their choice if they want to expand the game overseas, but bear in mind that it costs a substantial amount of money to do so. There is no selfishness is making a game for just your country if you cannot afford the time or money to bring it to anyone else.

Their resources. Their money. Their time. Their country.

If you want to play this game so bad, *you* get off your behind and import the game. Square-Enix has *no* obligation to bring it over to North America.

As for the point of them 'making more money' if they brought it here, that's underestimating the resources that goes into bringing a game overseas, as well as overestimating the North American appeal for remakes.

what you said was true, but c'mon dont' be so confrontational when you're telling someone they're wrong, making someone look/feel stupid isn't the right way to get someone to listen whether it was intentional or not.

anyways back on topic, Square Enix's response was that they were too busy with too many projects at the moment which is true because they ARE developing 3 new KH games simutaneously.

[Soushirei]

what you said was true, but c'mon dont' be so confrontational when you're telling someone they're wrong, making someone look/feel stupid isn't the right way to get someone to listen whether it was intentional or not.
Being part Japanese, how would you like it if someone took a stab at your nationality?

If you want to criticize me for being 'confrontational' (when I dealt with the matter quite cleanly if you ask me), then I'll criticize Haseo on the notion of being racist.

You'll spare no word for the racist comment, but banter on me about correcting others?

And on the contrary, I provided factual information and a clear-cut basis for my claims. I took no personal stabs at anyone's race, culture, nationality (which can't be said for what I quoted against "The Japanese are selfish"?), nor did I cuss or swear out anyone out.

What I posted is what you'd find in any typical debate.

The problem here is that a crap load of people on KHV are so soft-skinned and get all worked up over any comment that disagrees with them. I throw facts in people's faces and somehow that means I'm 'making them look stupid'? Please.

[Revelry]

I love this response, because it's absolutely ignorant.

Did it ever occur to you to remember that the developers of KH are Japanese? This game is made in Japan. How is it selfish for the Japanese people to make a game just for themselves?

It's their choice if they want to expand the game overseas, but bear in mind that it costs a substantial amount of money to do so. There is no selfishness is making a game for just your country if you cannot afford the time or money to bring it to anyone else.

Their resources. Their money. Their time. Their country.

If you want to play this game so bad, *you* get off your behind and import the game. Square-Enix has *no* obligation to bring it over to North America.

As for the point of them 'making more money' if they brought it here, that's underestimating the resources that goes into bringing a game overseas, as well as overestimating the North American appeal for remakes.

They can afford to bringing it here. And they dont have an absolute obligation, but they have to compete with other games and titles. They can make much more money if they bring it overseas, regardless of cost.

Being part Japanese, how would you like it if someone took a stab at your nationality?

If you want to criticize me for being 'confrontational' (when I dealt with the matter quite cleanly if you ask me), then I'll criticize Haseo on the notion of being racist.

You'll spare no word for the racist comment, but banter on me about correcting others?

And on the contrary, I provided factual information and a clear-cut basis for my claims. I made no personal stabs at anyone's race, culture, nationality (which can't be said for the poster I quoted against "The Japanese are selfish"?), nor did I cuss or swear out anyone out.

What I posted is what you'd find in any typical debate.

The problem here is that a crap load of people on KHV are so soft-skinned and get all worked up over any comment that disagrees with them. I throw facts in people's faces and somehow that means I'm 'making them look stupid'? Please.

No, hes telling you to lighten the **** up. Haseo didnt mean to "take a stab at your nationality" and was most likely joking. It was a spam post indeed, but thats probably why he said he was not a retard.

And your calling us soft skinned? Your the one going nuts here. If you don't like something why do you put yourself through it? Log off of khv for christs sake instead of arguing with us soft skinned people.

[Soushirei]

They can make much more money if they bring it overseas, regardless of cost.
Not really.

I've mentioned this months ago, but it's cultural statistics. Japanese gamers are far more into collector's items than North Americans. This is why Japanese people shell out hundreds of dollars for limited edition 5" figurines while most North Americans don't bat an eye.

Director's Cuts versions are optimized for Japanese audiences because the ratio of gamers in Japan who would bother to purchase a revamped game at the price of a full new title is substantially higher than here in North America. Also, the development of the game is localized (made in Japan, sold in Japan) which dramatically cuts costs for production.

Bringing any game to North America is a substantial feat and costs a ridiculous amount of money in comparison to a JP localization. Why do you think there are hundreds upon hundreds of titles that never make it to NA shores every year? Japanese developers only bother to bring their A-list games to North America because they're certain that their returns will meet the costs it takes to bring a game overseas.

When you bring a game over to another country as drastically different to the origin such as JP > North America, you're dealing with a whole set of expenses that are mandatory to go through. Hiring English voice actors, redoing lipsyncs, the game needs to be screened by the ESRB, and even after getting it screened, any corrections that must be made will then have to be redone/removed/edited which also requires time and money. Finally the repackaging and the sheer cost per capita of shipping each individual game overseas (something which is nonexistent in a Japanese localization) is another marginal cost that needs to be made back.

The hype for Final Mix+ is just not high enough for SE to profit from bringing it here in North America. Most people who bought KH2 probably don't even know Final Mix+ exists because only the fanatics would've bothered to go online and search hard enough to find out about it.

No, hes telling you to lighten the **** up. Haseo didnt mean to "take a stab at your nationality" and was most likely joking. It was a spam post indeed, but thats probably why he said he was not a retard.

And your calling us soft skinned? Your the one going nuts here. If you don't like something why do you put yourself through it? Log off of khv for christs sake instead of arguing with us soft skinned people.
My point exactly. I've been nothing by civil but yet the people telling me to lighten up are the ones cussing in my face, lol. Rethink your cognition there, please.

Also, why do you assume I'm the one going nuts? Is it uncommon to thoroughly express one's opinion? I don't think so. Rather, detail is one way to eliminate questions that don't need to be asked later on.

More words on a post =/= "Omg, I'm sooo pissssed."

"If you don't like something, why do you put yourself through it? Log off khv for christs sake instead of arguing with us soft skinned people."
Nah. Evidently you haven't come across me enough on this forum because this is just typical Soushirei.

EDIT: And oh, I never specifically called you soft-skinned, LightningAmbition. I said a 'crap load' of people on KHV are, but you are the one who decided to involve yourself with that group. That insinuation has nothing to do with me.

[libregkd]

Oh dear ****ing God. People are still complaining about this?

Its not coming because Square knew they wouldn't make the money back. As Soush said, the cost it would take to bring the game over here (voice actors, translators, advertisements, distributing, etc.) would not be balanced by the amount of sales. The US market just isn't interested in paying 50 bucks for the exact same game with a few perks at a later date.


Stop beating a dead horse.

[EvilMan_89]

Oh dear ****ing God. People are still complaining about this?

Its not coming because Square knew they wouldn't make the money back. As Soush said, the cost it would take to bring the game over here (voice actors, translators, advertisements, distributing, etc.) would not be balanced by the amount of sales. The US market just isn't interested in paying 50 bucks for the exact same game with a few perks at a later date.


Stop beating a dead horse.

well according to Square Enix it was because they were actually busy with other projects, not being a money issue

Being part Japanese, how would you like it if someone took a stab at your nationality?

If you want to criticize me for being 'confrontational' (when I dealt with the matter quite cleanly if you ask me), then I'll criticize Haseo on the notion of being racist.

You'll spare no word for the racist comment, but banter on me about correcting others?

And on the contrary, I provided factual information and a clear-cut basis for my claims. I took no personal stabs at anyone's race, culture, nationality (which can't be said for what I quoted against "The Japanese are selfish"?), nor did I cuss or swear out anyone out.

What I posted is what you'd find in any typical debate.

The problem here is that a crap load of people on KHV are so soft-skinned and get all worked up over any comment that disagrees with them. I throw facts in people's faces and somehow that means I'm 'making them look stupid'? Please.

i'm JUST saying there's a friendlier way to talk but fine, and at the "racist statement", it looked like a joke to me. but while reading stuff on the internet, context gets VERY subjective, like this


Did it ever occur to you that I'm not a retard?


Could've fooled me with a hilarious one-liner like that, striked out or not.


and yes, the racial statement looks that way too

i'm not saying you're insulting anyone, i'm just saying it LOOKS that way.
like you getting all offended at the racial statement? what i just said looks like i'm getting in your face doesn't it?
i'm really sorry for being confrontational as well, i dont' like doing that to people. i'm not trying to pick a fight here, i just want a friendlier discussion because clearly i'm not the only one who thot it wasn't friendly.

Anyways, I digress, that's all I have to say.

[libregkd]

well according to Square Enix it was because they were actually busy with other projects, not being a money issue.
Square says alot of things. If they actually went out and told the American audience "We're not bringing it over because we are afraid of losing money on it." Do you realize the backlash that would receive?

[EvilMan_89]

Square says alot of things. If they actually went out and told the American audience "We're not bringing it over because we are afraid of losing money on it." Do you realize the backlash that would receive?

but it takes significantly less money to translate a game than it takes to build one from scratch so they can still profit even off crappy sales. especially since KH2 FM is already dubbed, tho they WOULD have to dub RE: COM for English. that might be what costs the most money. but it still costs less money than it costed for the Japanese release one. so i really don't think the money is the issue. tho it probably won't be a popular game because of it's huge cost to buy the game first of all (assuming the pricing would be the same as the expensive $70 for the Japanese version), and the fact that no one would think it's worth paying to buy the same game again, but i still think they can profit simply because it costs much less to translate it for the English version. i think the amount of people who buy it will be small, VERY small, but enough for a profit.

[Advent]

I don't flame.

F**k off you stupid b**** a** c*** motherf***er.

The above is flaming.


The Japanese have every right to do what they want with things they own/make.

They have no obligation to service us in North America if they don't want to.

On the contrary, it is selfish of us to assume they need to cater to us.

If you made a video game in your basement for you and a bunch of your friends, then someone in China goes "Wow, I heard about your game and it looks awesome. Can you translate it in Chinese, redo the packaging for Chinese audiences, have it rated in accordance to our national laws and then ship it to me?"

If you said no because:
a) You do not have the funds to develop the localization
b) You don't have the time to make the localization

How is that selfish?

Kingdom Hearts is made by Japanese people using Japanese resources by a Japanese company. It is their choice and their right to only release their Japanese-made game on Japanese soil. Also considering that releasing Re:CoM in NA would most likely cause them to lose money, I really don't see how it's selfish for a company to consider their well-being.

If you want the game, import it.

Ok, ok jeez. Though you did make a good point.

[Repliku]

I fail to see how they would have lost money putting out KH:FM+ with RE:CoM because practically everyone I talk to in here or other places on line or in RL wanted the game. Even if they had just put it up on the SE site for people to buy and would ship it, they could have made a killing if they didn't want to bother with distributors and take the risk that way. Also, I think CoM would have done really well considering that many people didn't get the GBA version because it looked lame. Having this new updated fresh version to play on a home console made the game look like a whole new game really and it's more entertaining. I was pretty eager to see it come out in English.

However, even though I wish the game would have come out in the U.S. and other countries because I think it would have done well and I'd rather watch and play the games than just see cut scenes and dream or have to go out of my way and buy swap magic etc to play it...I am not going to call SE selfish for keeping a game in their own country. There are games made that are only distributed to single countries mostly due to the necessity of translating the stuff and note that they left a lot of the KH2 game with a lot of the English voices, probably to let the Japanese people hear them. If only we knew Japanese as well as they know English, huh? It's their right to keep the game and distribute it as they want and though it is a disappointment for those of us who really would have liked it, we have some options we can use and should be grateful we have them. It's kind of time for us to just let it go. I really think Nomura ought to just have given us all the KH2:FM extras in KH2 and as a bonus tossed in RE:CoM in some bonus package thing when KH2 was first released but ah well, he seems to be on this kick anymore. KH:FM wasn't really that great but this had quite a bit of info not included in KH2 and it should have been there. Any way, we can beat a dead horse to oblivion and it doesn't matter. Also, it's not the 'Japanese' are selfish, so I see why a couple people are getting offended by that. It is a Square Enix decision and it's a gaming corporation. We should blame the right people if we are going to get hostile. :)

[libregkd]

I fail to see how they would have lost money putting out KH:FM+ with RE:CoM because practically everyone I talk to in here or other places on line or in RL wanted the game. Even if they had just put it up on the SE site for people to buy and would ship it, they could have made a killing if they didn't want to bother with distributors and take the risk that way. Also, I think CoM would have done really well considering that many people didn't get the GBA version because it looked lame. Having this new updated fresh version to play on a home console made the game look like a whole new game really and it's more entertaining. I was pretty eager to see it come out in English.

You're right, it would be CoM that would take the most money out of the two games. As that is the game that needs to have translated text and have voice overs. But there is still shipping and distributing the game and the advertising (which takes ALOT of money if they want it to actaully sell decently) Like you, most people I talk to on the internet want it, but nearly half the people I talk to IRL either A) Didn't know about it or B) Didn't want to shell out 50 bucks for the same game plus extras. You have to think, there is going to be atleast less than half the people who bought KH2 that would be willing to buy FM+ especially now since its been over 2 years since KH2 came out.

[Advent]

Being part Japanese, how would you like it if someone took a stab at your nationality?

If you want to criticize me for being 'confrontational' (when I dealt with the matter quite cleanly if you ask me), then I'll criticize Haseo on the notion of being racist.

You'll spare no word for the racist comment, but banter on me about correcting others?

And on the contrary, I provided factual information and a clear-cut basis for my claims. I took no personal stabs at anyone's race, culture, nationality (which can't be said for what I quoted against "The Japanese are selfish"?), nor did I cuss or swear out anyone out.

What I posted is what you'd find in any typical debate.

The problem here is that a crap load of people on KHV are so soft-skinned and get all worked up over any comment that disagrees with them. I throw facts in people's faces and somehow that means I'm 'making them look stupid'? Please.

Come on, he wasn't being racist. One corporation doesn't represent the entire Japanese culture. Now let's stop the flaming, this is pointless.

[LongAndRandomUserNameFTW]

It's because it only comes in Japanese versions so far, I think.

[sorarxs1]

1 ill start with kingdom hearts final mix japan got that because a lot of stuff they didnt 2 kingdom hearts 2 final mix could be changed to just rechain of memories im pretty sure a good amount of people would buy that atlease

[Mehgahtraun]

I think during the time between the making of BBS and 358/2 days they will make an english version. Just be patient.

[Skylight_Defect]

There was something that was posted on KH-Vids today, I don't know if it's a rumor or what but it said that they were hiring voice actors for the Vexen, Lexaeus, Zexion, Marluxia, and Larxene so there might be a Re:CoM English Version. Personally, I think there will. We just have to wait for a while.

[Number13Roxas]

There was something that was posted on KH-Vids today, I don't know if it's a rumor or what but it said that they were hiring voice actors for the Vexen, Lexaeus, Zexion, Marluxia, and Larxene so there might be a Re:CoM English Version. Personally, I think there will. We just have to wait for a while.

Well, if it's true... it's awesome. If true mind you.

[Charmeleon]

Laziness? Nah, I don't think so. But still, you got a point there... I dunno.

[OblivionRoxas]

There was something that was posted on KH-Vids today, I don't know if it's a rumor or what but it said that they were hiring voice actors for the Vexen, Lexaeus, Zexion, Marluxia, and Larxene so there might be a Re:CoM English Version. Personally, I think there will. We just have to wait for a while.
This is probably true. Since their hiring those voices for 358/2 days they won't need to get others for Re:CoM. So that means that they now have english voice actors for Re:CoM.

[santa_sora]

i know right its not fair i think sience they played final mix that they know all about the next three kh's comin out i had to figure that out and it took a long time to

[Cherry Pie Pwns]

Well, the companies don't look at the games in america as good investments, because the people who like KH is a lot less than in Japan. And if they don't think they'll make X amount of money on it, they wont bring it over. Now I'm not saying that they wouldn't make a profit off of it, but they are just greedy pigs in the end, out to make money. But that's what they make games for...

[DPWolf]

Well, Re: CoM has been confirmed for release in the US, so if you're in the US you should be getting it.

I'm gonna lock this, so PM with questions.

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