I dare you to respond to this

It does not matter to me if a majority accept it. I may be seeking to please a minority.

There is something similar to the Rule of Cool called the Rule of Funny. It is just like it says on the tin. If someone is funny, it doesn't matter what it is, it is acceptable because people will laugh at it.

However, this joke was badly done, so I can understand the problem.

 

Hahahaha

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I could post a lot of offending pictures of 9/11, but I already went through one shitstorm this week with that starseeker incident.​

 

.2% of all Jenga games were played on 9/11.

The problem with many American citizens is that they can joke about Osama and things that didn't have anything to do with them. Turn it around, and you will be called insensitive etc.

You can joke about anything.

Absolutely everything. It all depends on the joke. This was a bad joke; not bad in the sense it used 9/11, it just is an unfunny joke. If you are offended by the joke, you're being dumb.
Make a similar joke with the holocaust, and the reaction would be so insignificant that you wouldn't even think twice about it.

 

That's the glory of it. The fact that I have no invested interest in what happened, therefore, I don't give a shit.

Not giving a shit is so great.

 

I would like to quote myself and onto a VM to Amaury about a derep he gave me for my first post in this.

I do not consider it tragic. More than three thousand people die every day. I did not know of those people. No one who did not know them should feel affiliated with those people. They certainly should not feel more familiar with the less than 3,000 who died in the events on 9/11 than the the more than 100,000 documented civilian deaths in Iraq.

100,000 - 3,000 = 97,000 civilian deaths.

Those deaths were at the hands of soldiers. The large majority of them were killed by individuals rather than a few people on crashing planes. I consider cold-blooded murder worse than getting caught in a building that someone wished to destroy. Don't you agree? Added onto the difference, the greater tragedy should be obvious.

Frankly, the friends and families of those 100,000 have far more reason to be offended by defenses of the war than anyone who cares about 9/11—even the friends and family of those who died on it. Come talk to me about tragedy when you have personal stock in it. Blame others for getting offended, not those who offend them. They have no basis for offense, after all.​

 

Makaze is good at writing down my thoughts.

 

To people who understood the joke and are not butthurt:
Thank you, at least someone understands.

To all people who do not get the joke:
[video=youtube;rAlTOfl9F2w]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rAlTOfl9F2w[/video]

 

You misunderstand me.
I have no investment in the lives that were lost, because I knew no one to have died in the incident or anyone directly affected by it.

What I invest in is what a mark it is on humanity. What it is a symbol of. That day the world and its reality was shifted. The whole world watched and waited for the events to unfold before them, either right in front of them or on television screens around the world. People stopped, and watched. It didn't matter what you were, how you felt or not about it, you stayed to watch what would happen. What in history has ever made us all stand back and watch the tragedy occur before us on a global scale? Nothing. It was defining in that very day and moment linked every person across the globe together in one single unity. To be a part of the September eleventh attacks.

It changed our politics not just in America but every UN country in the world. Racial abuse against Muslims, Hindus and Sikhs grew, violence in the Middle East grew, the aggression of soldiers grew, the sympathy of the world was together. fear around the world was high, sadness for all flourished in this environment, and we still haven't fully recovered from the damage it left. Around 80% of people from New York who were there during the incident or days after now have some degree respiratory problems from inhaling the smoke, lives were lost, jobs were lost, hope was lost.

Not to say that the cruelty America has inflicted upon the world is justified. Their military forces are the most destructive in the world, the biggest in the world, the most hate filled in the world. They have invaded country after country in the last 100 years to lay claim of right, or ownership, or some justification in their actions. Vietnam, Afghanistan, Iraq, the occupation of Japan, and worst of all the only country to use Nuclear weaponry by attacking Hiroshima and Nagasaki. For such a young country they have but tripled the violence and death of some countries that have been around five time their age. It is sad to see such an aggressive and violent country to act the way it does.

But does either side deserve the cruelty they are inflicting on each other? No. But it is what happens. Does either side have the right or justice to take revenge on what has happened to their people? No. But it is what happens.
In the end, it is the civilian, and the innocent who suffer greatest from all this fighting. Neither side should be doing this. But it is what happens.

This is why I feel so invested. My race, the human race has such capacity for cruelty and destruction it is hard to see the parts of kindness and creation it can bring.

 

Yes, indeed I did.

However, I find it entirely ridiculous that the world was watching that moment. I find it entirely ridiculous that they cared. If I had my way, those two towers would have been owned by a company or two and nothing more. It would only have affected those in the area and it would be up to that company to take care of recovering losses. Imperialism and occupation is what provoked the attacks, and nationalism and imperialism is what resulted. It was all a farce to my eyes. I cared not for 9/11 when it first came about, and I have not cared about it even once since that day.

I fail to understand why people would hate an entire region of the world because three thousand people were killed by less than ten of them, and yet not care in the least about thirty three times as many deaths at the hands of those who were suffering from a 'terrorist threat'. I hear people getting offended about 9/11 all of the time. I do not hear many people getting offended by defenses of the wars. It is baffling.

 

Any moment in history you care about at all? Any stmbolism in history you care about?

 

Hold up, you seem to assume nobody cares about those people getting killed in the wars. Yes I care about the people who died in 9/11. That does not even one tiny bit lessen what I feel, the sadness and pain and regret that I and many others have about the suffering happening all around the world. However that's not what the joke was about. Rest assured I would have just as quickly spoken out against a tasteless joke about the deaths of anyone, including those involved in the war.If you had your way, you would have it that 9/11 was just a monetary loss? I would wish it had never happened at all. Where is your sense of compassion? Every single one of those people had a life, had a family and friends. You can go on to youtube and listen to the terrified screams of people phoning the emergency services just before the tower collapsed, and then suddenly the phone goes dead. You tell us how bad it is that no one seems to care about those that have dies in the wars. Before you lecture us, try having a little compassion yourself.

 

I like how the joke isn't even about 9/11, and yet everyone is arguing about that

 

Compassion would ruin the lecture in this case. The lecture is about how you shouldn't have compassion for others, and that the deaths in 9/11 are just as meaningless as the deaths on the battlefield.

 

Yes, there are several things that I care about. I care about military invasions. I care about individuals raping other individuals. I care about when people are arrested on drug charges or beaten down while protesting. I care about the lives of individual people, not for the affairs that occur in gang turf wars. I do not care about nations. I care about specific people. I care about victims of individual action. Being caught in a building that it was bad to be in does not make you a victim of murder. At best, that is accidental manslaughter. No, I am more concerned about someone being intentionally killed, singled out and gunned down.

Rape is easily the worst of all acts in my book because there is no circumstance under which rape would be necessary. I would allow those three thousand to die to stop one rape, I think. Life and death mean less to me than an act of rape. If I knew more about it, you could say that the Rape of Nanking is one of the true things that I care about.

Another is the burning of the Library of Alexandria. Ancient and modern sources identify four possible occasions for the partial or complete destruction of the Library of Alexandria: Julius Caesar's fire in the Alexandrian War, in 48 BC; the attack of Aurelian in 270 - 275 AD; the decree of Coptic Pope Theophilus in AD 391; and the Muslim conquest in 642 AD or thereafter. I consider this the greatest travesty in the history of mankind.

Is that caring enough for you?

I suppose you could say that I care not for history beyond learning from it. The relations between one tyranny and the next do not rile me because I know that tyranny itself is my enemy, and it always will be.

 

What I meant was that it seems hypocritical for Makaze to keep bringing up the deaths of all the people in war and saying how nobody cares about them as opposed to the 9/11 victims, when he doesn't seem to care about anybody at all. I can honestly say I never thought I would have to argue the case for feeling sorrow for other people's deaths.

 

The argument is not less valid due to that. He is pointing out that there are more people dying from what the US is doing than what it was terrorists did. However, people seem to complain about making jokes about 9/11, but people don't complain when making fun of the civilians being killed outside of the US.

Now that is being a hypocrite.

 

Did I say that it would be just a monetary loss? I wish only that it would affect only those who were directly involved with the events. There should be no 'national' threat, only a 'personal' threat. I hope that you find that clearer than my last iteration.

I can do that and still not care about them. As I have already said, far more than three thousand people die every day. And they have been suffering. They have been starving, many of them have been tortured, and yet others are dying from painful illnesses. And then you have the many killed by invading armies and other murderers. What of the people being raped around the world? There are far more than three thousand children being raped at this moment. Trust me when I say that I do not pity the dead on 9/11, nor their families. Their deaths were neither especially painful nor especially tragic compared to other deaths, and they do not move me more than the deaths of anyone I have known of.

Compassion upon a specific group is worthless. When you show compassion to some because they are close to you, you insult your own intelligence and ability to observe. There is absolutely no reason to mourn those who died on 9/11. They did not live in fear. They must have been well off to be at the towers, in fact. What makes them special? Are you going to cry every day because people are dying? Where do you find time to post and eat while you are so busy being compassionate for all of humanity?

Move on from the dead. I say this to the families of those on 9/11 as well. They are dead. People are still dying. You are dying. Find out what to do about it instead of getting your pride hurt over those who have already been lost. Hopefully I will not have to speak on the matter again.

 

How rich or poor they are, how well they lived or how painfully they died does not make them any more or less special.
I'll say this to you, and nothing more. I pray nothing bad happens to you, and that you have a long and happy life. But most of all I pray that you have people close enough to you to mourn you when you are gone. My compassion may be worthless to you but it's my own. Pain of loss is the proof of love and I would rather live the rest of my life filled with sadness than not have loved enough to care to begin with.

 

I just don't get what you care about some time. You quantify things so easily it is hard to really tell over the internet what compassion you have to anything but knowledge.

You might also care about the My Lai Massacre and The Siege of Sarajevo, wherein the library and over 700 manuscripys were lost, I suppose?

But my point and yours has been made clear enough I suppose, so no point discussing it.

Man, how **** has your day been so far to make you think like that?

When I thought that I was in high depression and suffering scizophrenic delusions. It's weak to simply think death is the be all and end all of your existence.

Do you simply not get attached to people so it won't hurt when you lose them, is that why you think about **** like this?

Talk to someone about this. Please.