Great idea there. We'll have to keep this in mind for the Make Up KH3's Storyline Thread. Bosses that appear this way, and also vanish this way, will look awesome. This makes me think, there could a consistency with the appearance and death. Desouls could, for example, appear out of flames, and die likewise. Or maybe appear as many shards who unite, and die by shattering back to pieces. and likewise for every death in this poll.
And we're getting excieted here. Our ideas have a lot of video game potential (hehe, maybe we're the next Square-Enix employees). You made me think of another idea. It goes really far, so I'd like your opinion on it : What do you think of making the game "fork" when either world must be destroyed? Meaning that either TWTNW or the Desoul world can be destroyed, because Heartless and Desouls are wreaking havoc. Once one is destroyed, the enemy coming from the other world will be more common than before, and the other enemy rarer. However, this idea will basically have 1/2 chance of preventing the most epic final battle ever (Xehanort in the Desoul world), and both battles must be close to the end. The Disnet worlds should remain unchanged storyline-wise, but with the enemy modification. Hm... the more I develop this idea, the less I like it. I thought I'd mention it anyway. But regardless of what comes of this idea, we could use Storyline Forks for more minor cases. I find those interesting, as they make the game more replayable... ... And here's my second proposition, that I just thought of : How about, sometimes, choosing WHO will be your character, for a tiny part of the game? Take 100 Acre Wood, for example. What if we could choose to do that "mini-world" with Sora, Riku or Kairi? Of course, we couls also apply this to real "big worlds". Finally, for a touch of humor more than anything else... remember when I said that I imagined Kairi fighting? Well, I wanted to visualize her doing so, so I fired up Paint and PhotoLine, and made THIS : ***See attachement*** Oh noes, it's Final Kairi! With floating Keyblades! ... Don't take this too seriously, it was made for fun, but now I really want to see Kairi as a playable character...
They really changed the way I look at them (the few I've seen at least). I was watching Fantasia, and came to the Nigh on the Bald Mountain part... without knowing that Chernabog from KH1 was there. And when I saw him, I was like "No way, it's that black dragon thing I beat the crap outta!". As for those I know are in KH, it's fun to compare the differences. Disney Mulan =/= Kingdom Hearts Mulan. And I need to get used to a staff-less, magic-less Donald and shield-less Goofy.
As of now, I haven't been around here for long enough to give much reputation, but I noticed that I usually give it when I see several intelligent posts from the same person. Not many posts are really awesomeness incarante. If one single post is really awesome, I'll give rep. If it's very good, I probably won't. 2 or 3 very good posts and I will. Also, a little question : Can you give Rep more than once to someone? From what I've seen, you can't, but I'm just asking.
There's actually known answers to "why" we are evolving. It's very simple. When a new trait is acquired by an individual, if that trait is good for him, it will give him better chances of survival... therefore, better chances of transmitting its genes. In the end, after millions of years, those who have been born with special talents are those who are present, because those withotu the talents are "left behind". The common misconception that I see when people talk about evolution is that it happens magically. For example, many people see evolution as "if we live for a million years on an island, isolated, we'll eventually grow wings to escape". This is false. Wings would make life easier, but being born with wings is as unlikely as being born with horns, say. However, IF a child is born with wings (which is as likely for people wanting them and people hating them), then it's likely that everyone will have them eventually. The winged individual, being superior, will be able to escape the island, go eat on another island, have desecndants, etc etc... and if his descendance also has wings, they will get the benefits too, until everyone has wings. So, to sum this up, WHY are we evolving? Because of random occurence. Be it random, the birth of an individual with new, superior strengths, can be the announcement of evolution in Humanity. Whoops, got a little carried away here. So yeah, I voted Evolution. I can visualize this concept, whereas no matter how hard I try, I can't justify the existence of a all-powerful deity.
My first impression is that making the Desouls become the real enemy at midpoint in the game is too late (read the last paragraphs of my post though...). Think of the players who will wonder why they feel like playing KH1 all over again. I do agree with Maleficient boss though, and you point something me and Pezz missed, with the Heartless being darkness. However, how come they weren't Heartless before KH1? People still ahd darkness in their hearts. I guess that the reason they became so abundant is because Xehanort's Heartless mass produced them. So therefore, the Emblem Heartless, those who were created in laboratory/whatever, can be killed off. Maybe. I originally thought that it WAS yellow, and appeared blue because of the night sky. But KH seems to be a light emmiting aster. Therefore, unlike the real moon, who just reflects light, it emits its own, of its own color. Xehanort, be him Terra or Master Xehanort or whoever, appeared after "People with the blade of keys stopped fighting". He's definitely a Keyblade bearer. Everyone in the KHU eventually becomes one :xp: Your idea is, as always, very cool and original. Xehanort under a disguise. Plot twist incoming. You, sir(?), are a genius. This idea is awesome. A world that becomes more grotesque as its soul fades... this is promising. It should start like a cohesive world, then become more erratic, eventually looking like the End Of The World in KH1. Only it will get worse. Probably is freaky as we can in a "Rated T" game. The light purple moon sound great, and, more importantly, it could serve as some sort of "Realm of the Dead". Remember that long conversation about that Realm? Although this isn't the exact same thing, the concepts are similar, so we should find something useful in the other Thread. By the way, Xehanort will acquire power from the Desouls, although we don't know how yet. But as you said, his power will be incomplete. But, as long as this will, first of all, allow him to defeat the Keyblade masters, and especially Sora, he won't mind. As for what happens to the Desoul Kingdom Hearts : Simply "defragmentating" along with the World's death is plausible as it is. The Hearts, still incomplete because their will has been eaten, could scatter back into the "normal" realm. However, haivng the Desoul KH linger in space allows more twisted scenarios. The will-less Hearts of the Desoul KH will seek the will of normal's Kh Hearts (ok, that sounds weird). Should TWTNW be destroyed too, the real KH will also linger in space, meeting his counterpart soon. The two Kingdom Hearts should then actually fight. After all, logically speaking, the Hearts of the Desoul KH, stripped of their will, should seek the will of the normal KH. They may not be able to "want" the will, but thye know they'll be complete if they get it. Now, let's fit this into a video game. A KH3 game. TWTNW should be destroyed when Maleficient is defeated, since she resides there. Finalform32's idea of beating Maleficient at mid-game works better than my idea of beating her early. That's because when TWTNW is destroyed, soon enough, the two KHs will meet in... hyperspace, or whatever realm they are in. So TWTNW should endure most of the game. Finalform32, I have an idea as to how putting our concepts together. What if Maleficient is beaten, as you said, in the mid-game... but the Desouls are KNOWN to be the main enemy beforehand? Not just mentionned, but really known to be dangerous, with Keybladers uniting to defeat them (and Pezz's idea joins the fun too). What do both of you think of this?
The King Sora idea is a bit harsh, because, as you said, i'tll force us to include Disney elements. As much as the idea of mixing Disney and Final Fantasy was original, everyone seems to enjoy the FF style moer than the Disney style. Whereas having Disney worlds still makes the game interesting, I too thing that Donal d and Goofy following you EVERYWHERE is getting old. So, we could ignore the King's letter, or perhaps explain it later, when we have more of the storyline made. Maleficient is now residin in the Caste That Never Was, and she did say that she planned revenge. So, once again, she would cause harm. She should be the one leading the remaining Heartless, which will serve as the enemy until the Desouls take over (which should be early in the game). Who' leading the Desouls? I have an idea. What about Xehanort? His Heartles sahs been defeated, and now, his Nobody as well. However, we can justify that his Heart migrated to Riku, trying to corrupt him. When Ansem exploded Kingdom Hearts, only then did Riku regain his appearance, so therefore, Xehanort's Heart was released shortly before Xemnas' death, and was released in an unheard-of event. For this reason, we could say Xehanort became a Desoul... if it's not because of his obsession for Darkness... we can also say that his Elements acted as if his Nobody aws defeated BEFORE the Heartless (the contrary happened, but remember what I said in the last paragraph). There are theories that Terra = Xehanort. I agree with them, but we would be pushing things a little far. If it's not Xehanort or Maleficient, then we must introduce a new villain. Anyone got any ideas as to who it'll be?
And the adventure begins... First, I will gladly help you manage this thread and the Wiki, so yes, I'm still interested in helping you. :woohoo: Before I go all spruced up with Desoul ideas and the storyline, I'd like to think about the beginning, as if "Where KH2 left off". Sora and co are on Destiny Islands. Not much happening there. However, there's the King's letter. I have a theory in which Mickey made Sora his successor (Sora's a Prince Of Heart!!!:wow:). Being his successor, he needs to help the worlds, should a new menace ever arise. Now, however, with the Desouls, Mickey's letter could just as well been a warning that they're coming. Or both. "Sora, I make you my successor. Also, some things we call Desouls are rampaging and destroying new Disney worlds. Take care." If Sora is Mickey's apprentice, he then obviously will, as you said, hunt down the remaining Heartless. There must still be a few of those around. And what about Kairi and Riku? I would really love to have Riku as a Party Member as much as Donald and Goofy (oh yeah, what about those?). Having Riku and Sora would give a more FF feel, since they're both human and powerful (no offense to Donald&Goofy fans). As for Kairi, believe it or not, I actually tried visualising her fighting. I even want to make a Signature picture with this idea (but for some reason I'm limited to 1000 Bytes images). Having a Sora, Riku and Kairi party would be awesome. So awesome, that it might be better not to make it accessible forever. Sora would alternate between Donald and Goofy and Riku and Kairi. So yeah, that's it for the moment. I don't want to overfill my posts yet. One thing though : I'm really tempted about the idea of trying to have the "perfect" Desoul. It's made by merging the "perfect" Heart, Body and Soul. This started as the idea to revive someone by finding its life Elements. But we can have a villain try to create this ultimate Desoul, or perhaps DesoulS. For what reason, it's still to decide. "Taking over the known universe" DOES get a bit old.
Good idea there, maybe you should mention it on the Poll Pezz made yesterday. Search the Forum for "Desoul" and it will be one of the 3 results. This sounds cool, but maybe it'll overload the player's vision. Nothing would be more suitable for boss Desouls though. Your Thorn idea makes sense... Darkness seems to be, in the KHU, a great force. Take Heartless, for example. They make a body out of Darkness. Also, Darkness can be used to travel ; aside Yen Sid, I never saw anyone teleporting thanks to the power of Light. So the Thorn is some form of Darkness. We all saw what Darkness can do, so we already know that a creature gaining it as a fourth Element is serious news. As for the name... Here's a little idea : What if it begins or ends with "Atrum", which is Latin for "Dark" (not "Darkness" though)? I tried using an automatic translator to get the word "Thorn" in Latin, but it wouldn't recognize it.
I can't believe I haven't thought of exploding! I'm glad to see people are voting. And yes, mixing several deaths together can be fun, as long as it's not an extremely long death. While I still prefer goign up in flames, if not shattering, explosion sounds great. What about an enemy that quickly explodes, and leaves a few flames on the ground? And a few very short-lived flames in the air. It would look cool to see the flames fade away for a second or so, and it won't overload the player's vision. Not to mention mass-killing Desouls would temporarily set the ground ablaze. This will also work if we replace the explosive death with the shattering death. Keep the votes and ideas flowing, everyone!
Hooray, you made the Poll! I gotta say, Replicloudstrife came up with a great idea. I'm the one who thought of those types of death, but it never occured to me that we could use several at once. I voted "Going up in Flames", because it sounds cool, and we could also have different flame colors depending on the enemy. Mixing the flaming and the shattering death would look nice as well. The shards light up!
