Oh, I haven't ran out of ammo, I do have enough left, I just decided not to use it and shoot anymore, because there's been no point to it, and is just wasting bullets that keep hitting a strong shield, and I'm sure is the same for the opposing side. After twenty-three pages of constant debating and repeating ourselves, we'll never reach a exact end, and nobody is convincing anybody else (though some have been swayed a little), so is better to end my cycle there. Though I hope you are aware that the Goofy thing is really out there for a example, especially as that was a stray rock, he didn't really die, and it was all done on purpose for the LULZ. But, I'll leave it. I would, if I didn't say that was my last debated post here, and it is. I'll remain with it this time, especially since it wasn't directed at you precisely. Though you best be prepared for a fanfic if I was continuing, because that's exactly how the quantity is going to end up if I write said scenario since it bothers me when I don't describe things well. Alas, I would bid my last song *melody of the Star Spangled Banner starts playing*. I wish you good luck, ICSP, as you are willing to continue with Pika_Power (or anyone else), and may your running battle be strong. Of course, I will be watching, but the thread for me is over with, so...so...*stops Star Spangled Banner record and throws it out the window* It was getting annoying -_- . Anyway, so...let your fine strong will go on, soldier *salutes, only to get shot and booed for lame humor*. Other than the fact that that sucked, in all seriousness, it was a nice debate xP. Let's see how much is left for the thread to keep running.
Larxene just scoffed at Xaldin's comment from the shelf she was leaning on, not caring if this Seifer guy wanted payback, he brought it upon himself for shooting at them in the first place, he had to be stopped from being annoying and for harming a customer, who didn't even have nothing to do with this. Even if he missed, he shouldn't have taken that type of action in the first place. Hopefully, if the customer survives, she could file a lawsuit on KMart. Hearing now that she's burning up, there was no choice, but to call a ambulance. "Not even a first aid kit can fix a infected wound...and if we take the bandages off, the blood will flow out again. Whatever action we take, will just lead to negative circusmtances." "Then there's no choice, we have to get her to a hospital," Marluxia finished, now sitting right up on the floor, and overlooking everyone. What a problem. With what Xaldin said to Larxene though, he had added seriously, "And is your weapon, Xaldin, you can summon it back or make it disappear back to darkness as it's a part of you. No one can have that power, so I don't know any reason why you can't get a lance back when we can all do it when it's in the wrong hands." "The ambulance is on their way." Larxene looked up at the interruption, and she could see Marluxia gazing at their boss as well. Though, if anyone heard the walkie talkie, they knew he was coming, though she didn't sense him there. Xemnas just shook his head as he stpped more forward to the group, putting away his cell, having some type of premonition that they will need the help of the hospital for this situation. He frowned when he saw the unconsicous customer on the floor, and already heard the ambulance getting nearer from far off. KMart had really done it this time. He went to look at Saïx sternly, giving him a nod. "Do the worst that the MPC could do, and that's not all we're going to plan. I assure you. If the wound has a chance to be infected, there's nothing else we can do, this is germs we're talking about. Not even Roxas can do anything."
Axel let go of her without any problem absentmindedly, his eyes set wistfully on the fading black swirls of the portal as it shrunked into disappearance, leaving him in the castle of Shrouded City with Xangel, though he wasn't going to stay here long, just give her back. He sighed as he now looked at the empty white wall, wondering if he should've really gone instead of staying there and confronting her like he truly wanted. Still, he guessed he made the decision.... Shaking his head, he turned to the situation at hand, and looked down at Xangel, closing his eyes for a moment tiredly, before opening them to search the surroundings of the castle. They were in a hall, but that's as muich as he knew. Scratching the back of his head, remmebering back on her answer from before, he smirked, saying simply, "He's risked his butt to keep you alive in there for the past few days, but he's the reason why you were kept there in the first place, especially with agreeing to take my place, where you know is not going to be taken lightly." Now with that out of the way, he gestured to the place they were in. "Welcome back to Shrouded City....and the building that's your home. The least you can do is face your friends who care and really want you back and say a full explanation, and if you're so dead set on staying on our castle were nobody, pun not intended, likes you, then be my guest. Just don't complain, whine, and 'feel' sad...because you brought that upon yourself when given reasons not to stay." He blinked for a moment as he studied her face, before frowning and glaring at her as he recalled what word she used, "And don't call me 'Sir'. Makes me sound old. It's Axel."
Larxene just frowned, listening to him answer to her problem with Axel, but he was wrong on the fact that they both don't remember how it happened, because she sure as hell did, guess that accounted for the acute memory. The first time she ever had the displeasure to talk to Axel, was the first he remarked and insulted her hair right off. And he was doing it on purpose. Not that she cared anymore, because from now on, Axel didn't exist for her, except in times when she had to pass him in halls and see him in meetings. Yeah, she was that mad, and he didn't even apologize, so fine. Zexion was another thing, but she had a feeling she wouldn't be able to successfully ignore him...though she did wonder what was really wrong with him. Le sigh. She simply watched Xaldin toast to her and her problems and his fading sanity, in which she grumbled sarcastically, "Cheers." While she thought about what he said, a sudden sneeze caught her off guard and she shut her mouth as to block it from going anywhere...though she didn't know why, as she could doom everyone in the castle by passing on the cold. Sniffing as her nose became stuffed again, Larxene didn't mind that much because the headache was less brutal in her skull now, even if it wouldn't disappear, and she was so tired. Rolling her eyes at his comments, she simply answered in a congested voice, "If you keep pitying us, then why are you still here?" She raised a eyebrow weakly at that as her eyes go tears from the cold, but she ignored it. "Not all women are like that, not all of us go shopping, and we only have acute memories because men don't care about remmebering crap when it happens to them and their low IQ might be at fault to that. There are ways to comfort women in their 'mood swings', is that men say the most stupidest and wrong things at the same time while doing so. And males aren't good either...I mean, if you supposely love, care for, and want your girl, then why go off and cheat on her and still staying? Hell, there's a thing called 'breaking up' if you're tired, and if you loved her, you wouldn't have unfaithful to her in the first place. But noooo...they keep going when they know they might get found out. And when they finally do get caught, they're like 'OH I'M SORRY ,BABY! SHE'S NOTHING TO ME! OH MY GOD, PLEASE DON'T LEAVE ME! I LUUUV YOU!' B**tards. Complete and utter b**tards, and you know that's true. I've still to meet a guy who's actually decent." She sneezed again and had to cover her mouth once more, only for her to scoff as she crossed her arms, her whole expression frowning and pissed off...and somewhat with another mood that couldn't quite be placed. Her eyes narrowed. "We should be happy not to have hearts, that way they can't be broken or hurt by anyone..."
Recovering from pushing herself back in her seat from Axel getting closer enough to pass her personal bubble, she glared sharply at him, still not changing her sarcastic tone, though sounding more irritated and aggressive. "You wish that it was love and I was advertising my body to you. And while my skinny is right for a woman, you're close to resembling a anorexic, if you aren't already, and your curves are more questionable than the rest of the Organization. Be proud of that if you want." Of course, to admit, she had seen herself that it didn't mean he didn't have muscles, or abs, or a toned chest, and the black made him seen thinner, but she was suppose to insult his negatives, not positives. Larxene didn't even know if he was listening as he had discovered who the shaving cream culprit was, so she simply set her eyes outside the window (at least she had nabbed the window seat), wondering how long until they leave and what other disastrous destination they'll go in.
Wow. Apparently, you've missed the point entirely too, especially mine, which I definitely have to respond to. While I have ICSP, most of the points we get through differ. I never said Sora was "ZHEEVILZ", nor that the Org. were "ZHEANGELZ". If that was the case, I would've defended Xaldin and Luxord to the point where I die. What I'm trying to get through, this is my objective, is that their actions aren't as horrible as the level you and others place them to be, and I find it unfair. That is my battle. Is more on the fact that their actions, minus like one with Beast, does not constitute for them all being annihilated when working towards a goal whose power they wanted was obviously for them to obtain hearts, and to be complete, while all the while, no harm ever came to anyone from it. And by harm, I mean, the KH, nothing life shattering to the worlds happened all the while with this essence, including when Xemnas even charged up, so what was the danger? If Xemnas had other plans that he kept to himself, then that is Xemnas's own, and doesn't go with the others, and he was the one that needed to be destroyed. I'm sure he doesn't share alot of information as we've seen, even with his old research partners, which in turn, made the Org. he ruled over oblivious. They weren't killing people, you don't see them killing them in the game, you don't see any signs of killings, the characters themselves never mention that they were killing said people, and therefore, they were not. If that was the case, people playing the game would've been repulsed, and the Org. perhaps wouldn't be as popular. Your own thoughts about the loss of a heart and the way you view it (which we've all heard) does not mean it goes with the game canon or its view. Nomura seems to work throughout the games for Nobodies to be nonexistant, refused by light and darkness, and incomplete beings without hearts to be pitied or at least understood to the audience, or else those KH2 Novels wouldn't have driven that point home even in greater depth to the point fans are swayed. "Killing" humans were to defeat his point completely. Back to the point, the hearts came from the already swarm of Heartlesss themselves, which Sora constantly kills, not from any humans on the said places. In fact, as Sora kept destroying Heartless, said Heartless kept depleting, which is good for the environment, isn't it? Anything wrong there? They were having the help of Roxas, but as we all know, he had left, trapped by Diz, and ripped off of his memories. Thus, now Sora was the chance for them to get their main objective. I would've thought you'd gotten this, because it is mention in the Novel translations I even posted, and the game, which I hope I don't need to point out. Why do you think they were trying to get Roxas back? (though I do believe they were also giving him a chance as to not mark him a traitor just yet amongst that, which I posted examples of with my post above yours). About the Nomura point, how does that make sense? If they didn't know they couldn't go back to their original selves, why couldn't they think the only choice left was to get hearts, and to become their own Somebodies? And while Saïx did prove the Org. could have called Heartless around, and summoned them (because is been said that they go with who's the strongest), it does not mean that they were responsible for the Heartless that were attracted to the Keyblade and kept popping out. It is doubtful they would do menial work and simply sent Heartless when the creatures naturally appear to Sora effortlessly. They did not want MORE Heartless, what they wanted is less, because the more that were destroyed, the more hearts that were freed. Is blatantly contradicting because Heartless that are existing were plentiful enough to get the work done, as everyone playing the game could see. Point in fact, they weren't creating more Heartless, the Emblem Heartles themselves were already in existence too (excluding the fact that the respective members used three. THREE, which were killed after and didn't cause any enormous damage, if not, more of a side distraction, and is questionable whether on those three were created by them), which makes the rest of your words moot after, including screwing "tons of places", which again, is overexaggerating their actions to appeal of the eviler kind. The six disciples got into the situation first, yes, but as said, the Org. weren't killing, nor creating MORE Heartless. As for other finding ways to work, perhaps they couldn't find another. This is research, they get a hypothesis, see if it works, and if it can be successful by simply collecting Heartless' hearts, as well as getting the power to get their own hearts with a faux KH, why not go for it? The more they spend on it when they already hit a discovery, the more time is wasted. They were determine to see it done, because they couldn't feel anything else on that matter at hand either. I'm sure if they had hearts, they will think twice before coming to a decision such as that, unless they were some type of street gang. They didn't have hearts as they were, being Nobodies, and even then, it's been proven, and something that you didn't disagree with, that they weren't fond of the idea of the decision on Roxas. Demyx got remedial tasks because other than the fact that he didn't want to do missions, he perhaps couldn't handle the bigger ones. They weren't "killing" (the game does not follow your view on heart loss, or else, actions and characters themselves would've revealed otherwise), they weren't making more Heartless, or else they would've been speaking on the matter their own selves instead of other ones, their goal of KH was nothing wrong to go all the way to the point they had gone to (just to repeat, the game never gave an exact explanation to what was so horrible, if at all, in the plot, in the characters, or in official information, and this is fact. You never countered this) and their actions (which weren't even that bad if you look at it) aren't on the top of the awful pedestal you put them in to make Sora appear more justified than he is meant to be, or even is. Both sides were wrong at least in one account. In my opinion, and if the plot was any different, there was a hole for a type of agreement in there, but that didn't happen, and we have to take it as it is as that is the game (which also in my opinion, was poorly plotted than the last two). I stand on the fact that I don't agree with the badness you're putting the Org.'s methods in, and that's where it will remain forever until any other real sources say me wrong (and if they do, then I know I was wrong, and take the fact right in. I mean, I'm even convinced that 358/2 Days will give more answers and finally tell me properly what were their true workings, which I'm seriously looking for), not others' views. I have told you why I think this above, and since I won't change my mind...then...I don't know who you're trying to convince, because I'm really done after this one, and yes, this time it would be pulled through ^^;. I just needed you to know where my argument stands since you've seem to gotten your interpretation wrong.
I'm also another member going to Florida for the awesome Spring Break parties in the beaches of Miami, with only me, myself, and my best best friend, who is like the sister I never had, to be better placed. All alone, and free to do unmentionable things that my parents will never hear. Okay, okay, just kidding, I'm not that crazy xD, but still. Is wonderful to have freedom. I can't wait.
"Aw, you break my heart, Rexwand," Axel simply countered sarcastically as he feigned sadness, carrying the stretcher now out of the hold, which was hard, as they had to climb up. Keeping the focus of his job, as well as his mouth, he also added, "And I make friend b ecause I'm cool as hell and everyone likes me. How? Don't know, but apparently, I'm not doing anything wrong to gain that. And you're taking it too seriously anyway, it was only a joke to lighten things up....as funny as it was."
OOC: The Larxene clone disappeared the moment the sword hit...the real one is back at the store. "Nothing to tell, except that I'm coming over anyway to check over things," Xemnas stated simply, because there was no sure way that there was a customer shot in his store, and he wasn't there to cover the situation, whether it was solved or not. If KMart had gone this far, and wanted this kind of war were even the customers were in danger, then they shall have it. His expression darkening as he opened the door to his office and leaving as he shut it behind him, he spoke back to the walkie talkie for the last time as he walked, "Keep everything under control, and Larxene and Marluxia's raise just doubled over what they are going to do tonight. That is all." He turned it off. Marluxia just simply let Saïx talk to their boss, yet he couldn't help but raise a smirk at the fact they will get another raise by the end of this week, this is probably the best he had ever on owning such a paycheck. However, that was something to think over later, as he opened the first aid kit, and started to unroll the bandages the moment he grasped the roll in his hands. After taking a good calculated amount, he cut it off with the utensil there, as well as got the holder that grasped the bandages together, and began wrapping it around the wound on her arm as best he could. He wasn't a professional. "I hope you know, that the culprit is still around, we might've have gotten prove, but..." Larxene began, only to trail off, as she was not sure whether they should infiltrate KMart and find what else they were keeping, because she was sure that wasn't the end of this Seifer. Sighing, she leaned back on a aisle shelf, watching the whole scene as Marluxia tended to the girl, while Saïx finished talking to Xemnas. She smiled triumphantly, hearing she got another raise on top of the other one.
OOC: Maybe if sorarulz comes in, you have somebody to talk to...but everyone is away either at the beach or a store :/.
OOC: Trust me, I know EXACTLY how you feel. Back in the days of constant Database Errors, I have lost long posts and couldn't have it back. I was disappointed, sad, and pissed off, because then I couldnt' find the inspiration to write another just like it. Hate that just as much as you do. So, now, I copy what I write before replying, just in case.
Larxene just simply glared at Axel, and at Vexen for butting in, before speaking harshly to them all, "I might've eaten, but unlike you chauvinistic pigs, I don't make a mess all over the table, chair, and floor, I eat my food with a SPOON, or any eating utensil, which is less than I can say for any of you disgusting men, and I also don't eat with my mouth open. So I'd say, save your pointless argument back on the a** it came from." With that said in a huff, she also added as she crossed her arms, saying softly now with a scoff, "And as you can see my body is slim, has not fat whatsoever, flat stomach, and otherwise, healthy, so you can't hold that against me. And the only thing I really eat is sweets, anyway." She relaxed back in her seat, before remembering back on Axel's last words, and giving a small chuckle, she gazed at him with a dry smile, stroking his chin on purpose with her hand as she spoke with the same sarcastic tone, if not more overdramatic, "Le gasp! Axel...it surely...surely it can't be, can it? Oh, oh my goodness gracious! Is that a suggestion?" Her smile banished as her expression changed to give him a dry blank stare, before rolling her eyes, her hand already back in place with her.
Axel did ignore her, but he did hear her, as he still wasn't certain whether to go or not. "Are you leaving or not?" He glanced over at Roxas, who was looking at him curiously, and his words weren't hard and quick like before, but soft, and understanding. Axel's jaw tightened as his mind wrecked with indecision, but with some force on his body, he simply grabbed Xangel softly by the elbow again and headed to the portal as he blocked his thoughts blindly, throwing back to Roxas, "Meet me in the clock tower later." After, he went through the dark void and disappeared inside it. On the other side, the place where he took her to was obviously known the moment people who had lived there checked their surroundings: the other Organization's castle in their world of Shrouded City. Roxas watched Axel stepped through reluctantly as the portal swooshed away, and he sighed. Will doing something to Zexion really be worth it? There wasn't a reason on why he had to run away from the girl he loved...with a shake of the head, he composed himself and concentrated on the kitchen, beginning to walk to it.
Just to say, ICSP, isn't it cool that the way you write your fic with the Org. members is the same with the novels? (the seats and numbers :D) You seemed to miss all the small facts there, Repliku, you're just simply pointing out all the bad points. My whole argument in that the Org. were misunderstood by Sora and the rest, and they are. Throughout the novel, it is said that their goal was to obtain their hearts, their main objective, which I said was all they working towards to. The Emblem Heartless, just to add, were done way before the Org. (except for the six disciples in the group), and they appear everywhere regardless as they had spreaded around all worlds, if anything, Xigbar, Xaldin, and Luxord simply used one of them, not create one. The machine that creates them is gone (is it? I never truly found out in KH1...), doesn't mean the Emblem Heartless aren't still around. Also, there's no proof that they used humans for their work (and is in fact stated in the Ansem Reports, unless I missed it, that they came to use themselves as experiments). And in other information that I now found out, the Emblems were created by machines that reproduce (keyword here) the process of a heart being consumed by darkness. Other facts is that the disicples were discovering the Heartless and their nature. They constructed a large factory that could reproduce the creation of Heartless, thus making Emblem Heartless. Not that they have to take one from a human to make them. The only thing bad that happend is that the Heartless began to come out after that. But before you argue about the first six, I will post my thoughts back on it that I wrote before: There isn't just "evil" and good". You have to look in between the lines, and see it form their perspective if you care about why characters do what they do, even for "villains". Axel had the pleasure of this development, and so did Naminé and Roxas, so we feel for them. Back to the Nobodies, they don't have hearts, they can't cry, they can't feel sad for Roxas or feel guilt, they just needed to complete what they wanted, is not like they were exactly human....if they had hearts, and were simply being cold and cruel to be that way with that organ in there beating and finding no sympathy, then we can truly say that they are just plain evil. Other than Axel, Naminé, and Demyx (who was more softer than the rest, while the other two before had their reasons for questioning their existences because of what they went through. The others didn't have the same self-discovery), the rest never contemplated because they all strived on the thought that they can't feel. If anything, their tragic characters, period. And despite that, I still don't find what was overly wrong with the Kingdom Hearts they were making, it wasn't exactly dangerous, and other then to obtain hearts and create a world, nothing there suggest they will use it, concerning their discussions, for anything else. Diz, nor Yensid, nor Mickey, even truly explain what is it that is so wrong about them doing so. All we get from Riku is "messing up our worlds", which can count for the three Emblem Heartless that were summoned. Point to me, please, especifically, where in the game or information or the characters, does it say what's wrong with their Kingdom Hearts (which isn't even the real one) and the need to be stopped for? So, other than Xemnas, it still doesn't justfify the reason why Sora had to go all the way and destroy them all, along with KH, when the game doesn't explicitly state the reasons why. He heard from Phil that Demyx attacked him, but as you can see if you read, that wasn't really the case, and it was more a mistake, then anything. Not to mention, Diz appears biased, redeeming in the end or not, he didn't say his exact reasons, except I can guess is to stop Xemnas and his former reaseracher from going any farther in their reasearch. But again, where does it say anything about their KH? The Org. fought and worked for that goal, and now I figured out that the Org. weren't even concentrating Heartless on Sora at all, but in fact, just letting him kill them like he did every time, not make more (which would explain Saïx's "Just keep killing Heartless"). Saïx only summoned the Dusks, and the only time, as I mentioned, where the Org. had something to do with Heartless, was Luxord's Reaper Heartless, and the Dragon with Xigbar (which isn't even that worse, The Land Of Dragons was mostly defeating that Disney villain who's name escapes me right now. If anything, the Dragon was a mere distraction). Xaldin did it his own way with Beast. They didn't wreak havoc in all worlds. And since we're on the topic of Roxas, you can see in that same discussion the awkwardness of what they were going to do: Is not like they cheered on killing him, but in their case, Roxas was branded a traitor, and in Xemnas's words, needs to be taken care of, as is their rule since Castle Oblivion appeared. And you can see by interactions that they weren't cold to each other either, and that the news of what needed to happen to Roxas left them to a utter, heavy silence. And they weren't wanting to destroy Roxas because there were something's hidden or that is bad, is because they had no more use for him. They tried to give him chance to come back, but that wasn't the case, and it ended on that decision. They can't feel anymore more than that, so that's what it comes to. At least they aren't complete robots to ban one of their own a traitor right away unless it becomes to that point. In the beginning they were also working againts Diz than anything else, and what he was doing, which by agreement to most fans, he was, to put it plainly, a b**tard. This shows the fact on that they are contemplating what to do with the current situation and how to fix it, and they even ask Axel on some add ins for any ideas since he knows Sora and co. best. Too bad it ends there, and we don't know the finale of how that meeting went. This also explains my argument on Xemnas's unbreakable rule said by Xigbar to Demyx. Demyx didn't want to do his assigned mission, but him, and Xigbar knew the consequences if they didn't. Xigbar and Luxord had their orders, not everyone has to run away, is not like they had the self-discovery of their wrongs like Axel did to think otherwise (and that only started because Roxas left, if not, he was a loyal member), is not like they want to die, they want their hearts. Apparently, they don't know the Nomura interview, so they can't see that being destroyed might lead them back to their original forms (remember, most of this is reasearch by them). And this can explain it all on Roxas's side: Not to mention, the MAIN REASON ROXAS LEFT, he wanted answers, and he wasn't going to find them in the Organizaton: Also: While you may have your amo in some words, you're missing other words that go against them. We'll probably find more out as the translations keep coming, and when 358/2 Days comes out. But to me, the Org. will remain misunderstood until it fully convinces me differently. I'm not replying to you exactly (only to the fact there are other inserts in the Novel that's not negative), but since you posted your opinion, so will I...for a last time. I mean, it's been what, 22 pages? o.O I didn't place the links to be debated, but more for people to get a chance to read the translations themselves.
Vexen took this in carefully, simply deducting that Max shall be ignored, but if they do...then what? That guy was definitely more trouble than he thought, and he didn't know just what he was trying to get at. Perhaps he was just pullling their head, making them think to something that wasn't there, play around...well, that wasn't going to happen. His thoughts were sharply broken through, though, when he heard Zexion continue about what he had done. So, he did do something to aggravate Axel...yet what? He kind of waited for him to mention this, but it seemed to be something private as he didn't clearly expanded on it. What did he do to get Axel to retaliate to him...? Away from that...since he knew Zexion wasn't going to spill easily and he could take care of it later, his next words shocked him a little as his eyes widened. Instead of being mad, however, he snapped his fingers as a manic grin crossed his face. "I knew it! I should've known he was messing around with us...Axel doesn't even have a Heartless, unless he took care of it, which is doubtful. Max, that impudent little...can't believe this...." While he muttered and swore under his breath, he process edeveything else Zexion said, and he looked at the Cloaked Schemer questionably. "Roxas...what do you mean, he's 'returned'? And Axel...why would they be doing around there, and with Xangel no less..." Just what was Axel doing, period? He didn't want to be found out, or else he would've made himself known by now...so what was he doing in the castle, of all places? Axel just took in what she said silently, his brows furrowing in thought, before a smile sinisterly curved unto his lips as he gaze at her sharply....no, wildly. "Well, then, if you broke half the promise, I don't see why you couldn't break the other half, not like it makes a difference. There's a contrast between a real and truthful promise, and a promise that in itself is manipulated and not really your doing, you weren't thinking straight at that time. In other words...the promise was made to the one without her memories...you have them back now, don't you? The girl who didn't know who she was and lost is gone, and so is that promise...get my drift? But if you're too good not to find holes, try this...Zexion used and tricked you, utilized your lack of memories for his own gain, whatever that is...if you want to leave and don't feel at home, then go back, that shouldn't stop you. You don't need to be held on by that kind of oath. You owe NOTHING to him...and I'm back to get my rightful spot, anyway." And despite that, he was actually speaking the truth, not simply for her to get leave. However, before he could continue, he froze....as through the silence there was the echoing sound of high heeled boots stepping out of the kitchen, and his eyes went to set on the entrance as he saw the shadow of a female figure move. Holy... "You have to go, Axel, she can't know you're alive yet..." Roxas hissed as he unsuccessfuly tried to push Axel to the wall, also hearing the same thing, and his eyes focused on the kitchen as well. Larxene seemed to stop at the edge for some reason, but that was enough to buy them time. He wanted to hear what else Xangel had to say to Axel's response, as he agreed with it, but he was still hungry, and he can simply meet them both later after he got his food. That's the reason he was even here for: food. Letting go of Axel as his friend shoved his hands away, he simply added as he glared up at the redhead, "I'm going to stay for a meal....hurry up!" "Hold on to your boxers, Roxas, geez..." Axel remarked snidely, rolling his eyes as he got away from Roxas's range so the kid wouldn't go pushing him again. Instinctively, Axel raised his hand to make a portal....though nothing appeared in the wall as he hadn't summoned it yet...where to go? Looking at Xangel....his green eyes filled with realization after studying her for a second, and soon, a corridor of darkness appeared to a destination, though he didn't move, and hesitated. Honestly? He didn't want to leave...he wanted her to see him, for her to know he was alive...to finally hold her again, but if only...if only he could...yet he didn't know how will that affect the plans. Will it? Could he speak and be with her now...?
Anyway, before all this continues, I've...FOUND THE KH2 NOVELS TRANSLATIONS AFTER SEARCHING! They're split between people, but my favorite has to be turkish_delight's translation, since she understands the Japanese and the meaning of their language more. I can't wait to read more from her. I have to leave pretty quick to take...the exam o.o, so I'll just post this and go. Anyway, here they go (it seems most of us were wrong in a few accounts): turkish_delight http://turkish-delight.livejournal.com/275153.html#cutid1 http://turkish-delight.livejournal.com/277201.html?#cutid1 http://turkish-delight.livejournal.com/282032.html?#cutid1 http://turkish-delight.livejournal.com/284521.html#cutid1 I have to agree with people there), it seems Roxas and Axel were kind of pals with Demyx xP. And Axel and Roxas friendship goes deeper, seems to be more like family and brotherly love. Other Translations (from members vulchu and linnen): http://vulchu.livejournal.com/236081.html http://vulchu.livejournal.com/235591.html http://linnen.livejournal.com/640432.html (Demyx is in here) http://linnen.livejournal.com/641608.html (Riku and Saïx interaction, Axel gets pwned by Saïx) http://linnen.livejournal.com/642784.html - Friend's Cut: (Extra) http://linnen.livejournal.com/639319.html#cutid1 (ZOMG!, Demyx ad Xigbar Friendship thing o.O. Man, in the novels, the Org. are actually normally cool) Should I make a thread for it so all those who haven't read it has the chance to?
The one in Ansem The Wise's study weren't the Org., except when they turned into Nobodies, and those were only six. And I already gave my opinion on this before, I don't need to start it with you too. And remember, that he was alone in some battles as well. Sora is not weak, nor useless, nor inept, to his power or what he can do. While some of them do help, he doesn't really need his friends to help him out of a situation, unless it puts him in danger himself where he doesn't expect a attack or is in trouble, which in game play, is hard to guess because is you who's playing. If he could take care of Luxord and then Xemnas alone, then there's no doubt he couldn't take care of the rest one by one, except for Final Form Xemnas. He's not incapable of completing it on his own. Soem fans have even complained about Sora being overpowered in KH2. Roxas (which qualifies as Seifer and gang, although not armed or skilled, and had to be saved) was attacked by Dusks as well for no other reason, and Axel appearedd right after doing the same thing Saïx had done to Sora: Compliment their fighting, and clapping. So, in that case, since Axel could control Dusks, do you think he will send them to attack his suppose friend? If so, why? I don't think Axel had a good reason to. The two scenes are paralleled, and all those ended with casual conversation like nothing happened. After all, Dusks are not incapable of acting on their own, they can be controlled, but they can act on their own too. The whole scene doesn't make sense in actuality, because Saïx's character doesn't resolve to him using a bunch of wannabe street kids, especially on how he knew Sora was in Twilight Town in due time unless he can sense him, which I doubt. There's also no explaining how he could guess Sora will know since it isn't like he can retrace the wielder's steps and know where he is going, Sora might not even appear on that said spot for awhile, and I don't think Saïx would wait either. Vivi is also questionable, since the thing could've ran anywhere else, and unless Saïx told it to fetch Sora, I don't know how Saïx could've also predicted him coming down that path. Either way, another good thing to point out in that scene, is Saïx at the time when he confronted Sora was calm, and even giving a few tips off, they were even discussing. That was another chance Sora could've taken to get some information since you were talking about chances before, but he was instead blabbing off. I already stated my reasons on helping the Org. in other posts as well, among possible reasons why, so I don't need to repeat myself in this since is going to be the same response, so look for it. Sora only knew he was being used later in the game when Axel had revealed to him that the hearts the Heartless he killed are freed, go to the Org. What was the reason, then, other than meeting Saïx, perhaps Xemnas and Xigbar, that he had before all this? He barely even knew that the more Heartless he killed the more hearts were released to go to the heart shaped moon. The only connection he had to the Org. was the Dragon, and the Heartless Luxord summoned, and...Xaldin. Emblem Heartless are eveywhere due to the past, along with natural Heartless to fight, so I don't think those were completely brought upon him, but more on the fact that they were attracted to the Keyblade, yet either way, he seemed to take the "chaos" normally. Most of his fights (or "chaos") in KH2 were also the Disney villains, so the Org. had no fault in all that was happening to overwork him. The load to "increase" were taken care of by Sora, and "the load" isn't that much either, maybe not at all, as some Heartless naturally pop out by themselves like usually in all the KH games, so the Org. didn't need to concern themselves with that fully, if even. Saïx told him to just keep killing Heartless, as they always come around Sora. The only times where I could think of the Org. giving him "more" work, was with Luxord and the Reaper Heartless, and the Dragon. Otherwise, nothing else. The rest of the time was spent, again, fighting Disney villains. And Xaldin and Luxord were talked about, not to you, but once more, I don't see a need to go all over this again. He was merely following orders, like all the rest did. The point is, while the Org. did a job on sending one of the members to do a specific mission, which is basically what they all do, so it wasn't like it was that "sacrificially evil" as you're trying to place it as (it was like the others, killed in the line of duty. They are Nobodies, not some kind of brotherly gang that feel for their members if they get killed. The Org. can't feel, so they go on with their daily lives). Fact is, Demyx didn't do anything so wrenching to have Sora bully him and egg him on. That isn't the Org.'s fault. Even if Roxas wasn't destroyed, how could he be, since the fight was inside Sora, and Roxas was already fused with him? And that finishing slash blow looked lethal, though it wasn't like Roxas could "fade", and if he wasn't Roxas, it would've "destroyed" him. I still don't see the point on the "destroying" and "defeating", it still amounts to the same action on doing so in attacking. Even if you defeat somebody, severe wounds could kill him/her, and the defeat could end up being "destroy" in a lot of cases if it goes too far.Tthe difference is small, even tiny. As said by ICSP, Sora managed to defeat Xemnas by himself, which is indeed, greater than Saïx. The fact is, Sora doesn't need Donald and Goofy, and that window of opportunity could be blocked, in which in turn, can knock out the two animals. Sora's not invincible, but he's no pushover (it's been said he's even really strong) that he couldn't handle anything by himself if the occasion calls for it in KH2, don't make him appear any weaker by him using the help of his friends to make it seem like the Org. were overworking him. The kid can take care of himself, especially on little Heartless and lower Nobodies, and other creatures of the sort, which has nothing to do with bosses or even as hard. Fact is, if Jafar was on the ground, he still had the power to defeat it and the outcome will be the same. The circumstances were still small, Heartless are everywhere, it wasn't like the worlds would implode, there wasn't any true difference, the only ones so far were the bigger Emblem Heartless, and Sora had to deal with that only...three times or so. You're making it look worse than it is, when in the honest truth, it isn't. It might've been selfish, but hearts were what they really all wanted in the end, they couldn't feel any emotion, they were incomplete, there were creations with a part of them missing, and they needed that again. If you were in their place, and had no feelings to hold you back such as regret, sadness, sympathy, or guilt, there's a sure chance you would've worked for it, unless you found something fishy and didn't like the sound of it. But you still came on board in the beginning for the goal either way, and knew how to achieve it. It all falls in misunderstanding. And even then, nothing truly occurredn to stop the goal completely that they had been working on so far and perhaps for months spent on it...is not like all the worlds had suffered from Xaldin, Luxord, or Xigbar's Emblem Heartless or the members' actions, just the one the individual members appeared in. And in those times, it wasn't even impossible to reverse the situation. Jack Sparrow might have morphed skeletal, but he could turn back and knew how to (and did in the end), it was even used to his advantage as it saved him from Barbossa's gunshot, Xaldin was eradicated, all he acted on his own and was quite cruel, I never disagreed with that, and the Heartless dragon was taken care of in time. Yes, Sora has destroyed a boss without assistance, including Xemnas, and Luxord (I don't see why he can't count), which were greater bosses. And Mickey only appears if it was by the player keeping on losing, not Sora's own...as in himself, we know he has to win the battle, but how, depends on the player. The only time in pure canon that Mickey appeared was in Twilight Town, and Sora had just woken up after a year of sleeping, it didn't take long for him to stretch his muscles and get back on track on his strength. I never bothered because I thought I had your gender with your avatar and sigs, and I gues I was...wrong. I never read your stories either, so I guess that played a part. Alright. Just don't expect me to reply after this post (and I won't, as much as it will kill me), because I have too much to do to take on you and Pika_Power (though I think we can come to a agreement now) at the same time, and it takes long to reply to posts as it is. I got into this because of answering a question, when I should've ignored it and left it to ICSP (tag teaming for the winzors!). The point is, I'm already getting tired of debating this (and here I thought the thread died) and I've been wasting most of the time here, when I know I have to do other things in my studies and wake up early (it's 3 o' clock in the morning here). I rather not get into another one now. Probably when I'm less busy we might continue, Destiny. **************** I'll do the same, because it is getting tedious. Despite this being Xemnas's plans, if he was taken out, the Org. wouldn't be trapped, but more like there was nothing they could do if all the events of what happened to their KH has been done (which it would've, because if they were after Xemnas, he would've used the power up either way and Diz's machine still would've been there). The rest didn't have the type of scientist brains to start over or the power to fix up KH or even make another one (I have no doubt it was Xemnas who put up the moon). They wouldn't be trapped, but more like disbanded (and I still don't think the hearts were used up either). Also, the other didn't die or fight for him, they chose to die for their goal and try to stop Sora from proceeding further on destroying it, otherwise, Saïx wouldn't have asked for permission from Xemnas himself if he had ordered it. What would I do? I would scoff at them, and if I didn't like it, I wouldn't go and do the same to someone else. Sora didn't try to chat at that point, because Xemnas was talking, and they all laughed after, and left quickly. There wasn't a exact chance there, especially giving away information with Xemnas there, and I'm sure he would've disagreed. And Xemnas wasn't attacking Sora's friends, his friends just followed him. Xemnas wouldn't have let that power go, true, but the fact remains that it didn't work out and he lost it due to Diz's machine. The hearts were absorbed, but it wasn't like they couldn't be freed either. I know that it doesn't justify their actions completely (the fact that they can't feel just makes the fact that they can't see or perhaps care what they were doing, as they were just empty voids. I still think it was more on misunderstanding them), especially when a few acted for themselves, but the said actions weren't as horrible and bad as in the pedestal they are placed, is not like they worked to destroy a world or take over. Some of the actions were mostly simple, and could be taken care of. As I said above, Sora had just woken up after a complete year of sleep, and he didn't have enough energy or had stretched his muscles to take care of the problem, which is why he collapsed. Later on, you could see, after working out, that he had no problem handling the Nobodies and even more of them than before. Anyway, other than that, and the whole hearts and KH that we have contrasting views on, it seems there's nothing much that we could talk about anymore and we seem to agree in the end that it was mostly Xemnas (though the perspectives are just a little different). I don't really see a reason to go on when is just going to end up repeating ourselves again. I think we both had driven the point home, and we reached a conclusion together (all that's left is ICSP and Destiny's Force, lol xP. J/k). So, truce?
That's weird, I mean, how you can pronounce it. I like "Three Hundred Fifty-Eight Days Over Two", since it flows better and easier, though I guess there's a reason for that. I thought that the "358" are the days Roxas was alive in the total of the year. It might be that still, but it will take awhile to get used to... "Three Five Eight Days Over Two".
"I do not sound like a garbage truck in the morning, Axel, I know, don't make things up. I've been told I don't snore, and if I do, is rarely even heard," Larxene answered simply and easily, she had nothing to hide or deny exageratingly, so she remained calm. He was just trying to get a rise out of her, though she did narrow her eyes in irritation, and her next words were more hard , "And I doubt your wife will love your drool when it gets to her side of the bed when sleeping." Despite herself, she gave him a big smile back as she looked up at him innocently, though her blue eyes had a devious glint to them, "Oh, and my man will be more than satisfied. I assure you on that." There wasn't any need to explain the hint on that one.
No, he has never abused his powers. Let's see where you're going... Other than the Heartless or Xemnas, not really. Year advantage over Sora or not, the boy could still handle his fights anyway, it wasn't like he was weaker, except in the beginning of the game. He would've lost. In the end, he perhaps gained more skills (The Forms), as well as more strength. The Org. never used any technology on him anyway, so there's no argument in that (and technology in what, exactly?). Together as a whole Organization, of course they can overpower him. But individually? No. The Keyblade isn't the ONLY weapon that release hearts, true, but the Heartless are more attracted to the Keyblade than any other weapon, as well as the one who wields it, which is why Sora always gets attacked everytime he's walking compared to other people. Supposely, the Heartless were attracted to him or the weapon, because they feared it, and try to attack Sora even with their lives in stake (not that they can even think), so if the wielder is gone, they wouldn't be killed. It was along those lines...I think it was from information on the Heartless or the Keyblade...it was probably KH1 info, can't remember well. Yeah, it was KH1. Perhaps even in the game itself when everything was explained to Sora for the first time. Gotta see the script. Anyway, what that means is, more Heartless go to Sora, hence, works for the Org.'s favor. As explained above, they weren't really abusing it, so there's no reason to answer more on this. Cannot defeat most enemies on his own? But those enemies were simply Heartless or either lower Nobodies, not the greater power boost. This was something he had progressed over and done every usual journey. If there is a Emblem Heartless, Org. or not, he will defeat it with no problem. He defeated Saïx alone as well, including Luxord as you said, most of the times he has friends, yes, but even without them, you could obviously see that he could handle himself as he defeated them by himself. Even with Donald and Goofy, he does most of the work. Sephiroth is considered a God (okay, exaggerating, but if you played FF7...), so he's unbeatable except to Cloud, and the fight with him is simply a spar every time, because none are hurt, and none win. Even with his friends, Sora wouldn't win. In fact, Sephiroth will KO Donald and Goofy first, then he's on his own anyway. All the carpet did was fly him around to reach the opponent...the carpet wasn't the one to attack, hit, and defeat the genie, was it? The carpet wasn't where the power was coming from. It was Sora's strength in itself. Is like you're using a car. The Org. knew Sora could defeat Heartless and Nobodies, as he had battled greater than that. It wasn't impossible, and nothinb that Sora wouldn't do on normal circumstances. Unless there's a battle on his own that he couldn't win, the whole point is moot. And no, Final Form Xemnas is the exception. Kairi doesn't know crap, and that was merely a offhand comment that wasn't true. Lol. People even complained before about why the hell she said that when it wasn't the case. Sora can rely on his friends, but when he doesn't have them, he has to rely on himself. And he did so successfully. You're...not? o.O And I read them in a livejournal website where they translate the Japanese into English (as well as the manga). Mind you, they only translated some parts of the KH2 Novel. There was Axel and Saïx, where the redhead ran away, lol, then there was a scene where Rikunort and Xemnas meet and have battle, though it blacks out, so we didn't know how it went. Riku fougth Saïx, Axel got knocked out and saved by Naminé, but his ribs hurt, there was another scene where it was explained why Riku, in the Land Of The Dragons, was battling Sora in the snow that time. It was kind of funny. Turns out he was simply reminiscing on the time back on the island, when they use to spar. He wasn't attacking him, honestly. And the rest follows Axel and Naminé's constant angst. Demyx get some chapters about his time in the Underworld, and there was a meeting with the Organization added too. If I remember the site, I'll give it to you.
