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"Apparently, sarcasm is lost on her, but your questions to her does me interest. Is along the same lines I was thinking," Axel told Roxas, who he stopped by his shoulder from following after her in a angry stomp. Doesn't mean she was going to walk away that easily. He took it upon himself to walk the few quick steps to her, and grasping her elbow to stop her from going any further, though not grabbing her that hard to hurt her, and forcefully with a pull, dragged her back without a word, ignoring whatever struggling she did, is not like it was affecting him. It was only when they reached back to Roxas that he let her go, and he simply looked down at Xangel seriously, composing himself. "You're not going anywhere, because I need to see how you became Zexion's puppet, who is obviously behind this, just like everything else these days...so, go ahead and explain to see where you stand."

Roxas didn't say anything, and decided to listen, since Axel did the job of telling her to answer the questions for him. So now, along with his friend, he stared at Xangel as well, waiting for her to explain her side of the story, and see why, now that Axel was here, she couldn't go back where she belonged.

I didn't cry. I mean, I just simply watched their deaths, and that's it, it wasn't emeotionally heartbreaking for me, and I think Axel's death was pointless anyway. It made me say "aww, noooo...", but nothing else.

Marluxia had reached back to Saïx and the customer, in certain time first aid kit in hand, only stoppin gwhen he was in front of them. Looking at the girl, he noticed she was slowly losing consciousness, perhaps from the blood loss, so they need to work fast. The first was to stop the blood flow so she wouldn't be devoid of any more of the liquid. He had tried to find Roxas, a long time, which was why he had lasted a while, but he didn't know where the kid was at, so until the blond appeared, this was the best they could do for now. And that meant bandage it close. Ignoring the fact that Saïx was on the walkie talkie, he stated, "Sir, I couldn't find Roxas, so we have to block the blood flow until he appears."

Larxene had joined the rest of the group not a minute later, watching Marluxia and Saïx hustle over the girl, while the blue haired man was talking with someone of the walkie talkie, which sounded like Xemnas. Still with the gunblade in hand and over her shoulder, she dropped the weapon to the floor, making it give a loud clank, before placing her hands on her hips, about to report. "This is the weapon the guy was using, and I knocked him out. Don't know for how long, but this was the tool that was being utilized to shoot us. His name is Seifer, who works as KMart's janitor. If there is any more trouble from him for the same reason, at least we know what source to destroy to end it."

Her eyes were sharp as she frowned. She really meant it. Try anything, and he won't be so lucky.

Axel just chuckled and snickered, enjoying the jump the doctor did in the process, though he was merely amusing himself. It can't be all that sorrowful here, couldn't it? And it was funny...to him. Beginning to carry out the stretcher outside without saying anything yet, when they were on their way, he remarked, "If he was alive, it will be a struck of luck. Or a zombie."

Hmm, okay.

Then the reason it was unstable was because of Diz, not because of anything else. But...okay.

Have you ever thought that the hearts are simply used of their energy, but it doesn't exactly make them expended or gone? There's been cases were some use that type of essence, but where the energy comes from, is fine. They cannot simply be destroyed or "used up". Energy is not unlimited, there's a certain amount of power, yes, but just because it is utilized, does not mean that it will be used up (especially when they were still glowing bright pink), when in fact, there is possibility of a recharge due to the natural flow of the said hearts. What happened to the remaining hearts? We don't know, is not like the battle took place around the heart shaped moon, but we do know that they kept falling down in showers to the ground, where Heartless and Nobodies were celebrating (not exactly taking them, more like dancing).

As you can see, actually, when Xemnas powered up from the KH, there weren't any hearts falling anymore before he did that, so we could also assume that the energy needed remained there even with the hearts freed, but since the source was gone, Xemnas was only able to use what was left before the lingering energy was completely vanquished, hence, why he wasn't that powerful in the way he should've (I'm sure if it was complete before Diz took action, Sora and Riku wouldn't stand a chance).

And that's the thing. It wasn't that outrageously, outrageously, powerful (the faux) except for the the use it was made for, so it wouldn't really have the power to destroy everything, a copy is not better than the original, and the real one is sure as hell important. Doesn't mean is the same for its fake imitation. Nothing in KH said that there would be a "cost" that a Nobody would gain back their heart, because despite not able to use it, Nomura wouldn't have given the interview saying that Nobodies could return to their original forms then, if it was costly.

Not to mention, it was never said that it will be their heart, but rather "a heart", so the flow wouldnt be broken.

That doesn't really say anything, though.

Fact is, every world as much as every power has darkness inside them, it could mean anything, even the darkness of your own self. And it was proven by Sora in KH1 that he was wrong, that not all ends in darkness, and there is also light. Or maybe I missed the point of the game....

Since this is merely talking about the mystery of KH, we can drop this one.

If it was fused, there wouldn't be any hearts. You do know what fusion means, right? Means that they come together to make one, permanently. That didnt happen. If the moon is destroyed as they are one, so will the hearts go with it.

No, they didn't, all we saw was that the hearts were falling down to Heartless and Nobodies, and who knows if they caught it, or they simply vanished magically (like they usually do). There's nothing there to suggest that it turned back into Shadows, as remember, if the Heartless is killed, the heart is released, and goes into a state of suspension. They migth've went into that suspension, since the Heartless they were residing in was destroyed.

Also, just in case, I think that the Heartless don't simply take the hearts either, but more like get obesessed when they "smell" it, and rip it out from the human, though it doesn't really "eat" them, or else each Heartless would've have had more than one heart freed. Don't you think?

But is it their fault they had no choice, but to obey? It was either do or die. Remember, this is made of members who were picked up and perhaps convinced of the fact that joining might give them their hearts back, they maybe didn't even meet Xemnas or knew what his rule was. From there, it was a bit too late. That, and is not like Xemnas tortured them either, so they stayed to work on getting back a heart, which is what they all desire, some bigger than others, but still remains the same. I think the Organization was fine in the beginning, but when members started rebelling, maybe concerning Xemnas, that's where it started to fall.

Nothing else to say about Demyx and Luxord, at least you're getting they weren't that bad...hell, Demyx wasn't bad, period.

What I'm getting is this type of view of "evil". Even villains have their set of stories and background that made them what they are today, or led them to what they do now. The Six were too obsessed and concentrated on their work to the point were they didn't want to stop, and wanted to discover more secrets of the heart. Is not like they worked to be evil, and even the game hints this, but they got too involved, too focused on the studies to notice anything else of what they were doing to figure the heart out. They lost themeselves. In the end, it backfired on them all, especially on Xehanort, who was perhaps borderline dangerously obsessive than the rest. Diz got out of it before it was to late for him, but he did took part, and maybe even did experiments with them. He got redeemed, so that means that the other disciples are capable of doing the same. The thing is, will they? Or are they still involved in research to stop?

Just to say, I'm not really defending them, not even part of my argument cause what they did in their research was really out there, just giving a more in depth fact to the situation that doesn't outright yell "EVIL!", because I see it in all sides of the view, and not just simply blindsighted into one. The world isn't simply made of "evil" and "good", as they say, "the world is not black and white", is not that simple...a dictionary can't answer the meaning, it goes deeper than that (and I also think that's what KH tries to represent as well), it also depends on the person's actions and history. Even the difference of evil and good is still heavily debated. And is not up to you to say that they don't deserve salvation, you're not God, and neither is Sora. The disciples are nothing more than a example of human weakness and what happens when you let it overtake you. That isn't evil.

Put yourself in their place, be one, focus and concentrated on finding out more information and discoveries, in your current mind set, would you consider what you were doing wrong? *raises eyebrow* And speak the truth...in your current mind set?

Larxene really didn't do anything except play around with him, but that was in her nature and her personality. She was the resident b*tch, and the world is full of them. There's not alot to defend about her, honestly, but we also don't know how she got the way she is. Do you think people are born with sadism?

Marluxia had his own plans, and they were stopped. Nothing else more to say, he did even worse in the manipulation department, but that was his own plot, not the Org.'s.

Saïx was simply being a loyal puppy because he truly wanted the heart he was suppose to gain in the end of it all. I saw this was made clear when he was fading. Is not even really evil, more of the desire of something that was missing and making you incomplete. Even Sora was sad to see it (a little too late to understand them, I see).

I guess this also answer's the post after about the single Org. members, except for Demyx I think...I probably missed Xigbar and Luxord, though I already set out my opinion on Luxord on previous posts...so I missed Xigbar...

You agreed that it wasn't "evil" right, not that much? I don't know, other than a insult, stating that he wasn't good with other like past wielders is because Sora wasn't. He's basically saying the truth, that he wasn't as good as the other wielders. Would you kill somebody for that?

And Xigbar attacked because Sora was going to destroy what they were working on (KH), especially since Sora was in their turf, and not exactly there with his friends for tea and cookies. He was sad as well for fading away. Saïx went to do the same (and we know he was protecting KH with his last action). Luxord too.

But I don't know how many times people are going to explain Demyx. Destiny's Force post is simply her opinions on the Org. members, so I think that doesn't need to be answered, unelss ICSP wants to.

Sora can handle lower Nobodies just fine. They didn't attack Hollow Bastion themselves or directly (it was Xemnas that really summoned something dangerous to Hollow Bastion later in the game). Another swarm of Nobodies? It didn't seem like "fear us, we are evil", it more seemed like they were just introducing themselves with some added mockery on Xemnas's part. And is funny how Sora didn't like his picking on him, but when he does it to Demyx later, the water guy deserves it, right? (and I'm only saying this because it brings the same situation) Xaldin, again, does not make for every member's opinions and personality. He was his own independence in action.

Becoming almighty? How the hell were they to become "almighty" by gaining a heart? The only one who seems to want "almighty" is Xemnas, and it was proven by his later actions of sucking up the energy. Candy does not constitute for a heart. You're saying these Nobodies can't have their hearts? Are you serious? Hearts are not candy, candy is something you eat and is good, and you can get it everywhere. I can't believe you're comparing hearts to candy. Hearts is what make you feel emotions, a important part of you.

If you were devoid of feelings and felt incomplete because of it, you're actually telling me you wouldn't want it or desire it back?

And if you don't, then that's your decision to live as a empty shell. The Org. members didn't want to.

The hearts are not in danger, as I already explained a million times, and is pointless to repeat myself over again. The members weren't going to get any power (again, where does it say it in the game?), if anything, Xemnas will make sure they got what they were promised, and perhaps do something else with KH by himself (after all, who do you think would've handed out the hearts to them or know how to use said KH? The Leader usually gives the honor), in which he did when Sora and co. reached him. And I already kind of explained my reason on the Disciples part above, and BBS hasn't even concentrated on the researchers or anything yet, so you can't really add that in.

Not really.

What can you do? Demyx only stole it, used it so he'll be able to use his powers in the Underworld (which was advice giving by Xigbar or someone in the KH2 Novel...yes, there are Demyx chapters. Could you believe he got freaked out by Phil and ran away? xD), and he returned when he was finish using it. Is not like he took it permanently.

Roxas was there, yes, they are connected, but not in the way that Sora remembers what he went through and got his memories automatically.

Believe his friends with no sure explanation of why is so bad what they were doing? There's a difference there. If someone is going to say something bad about the other person, they give reasons why. Yensid, Mickey, nor Diz ever truly explained it, simply saying is "OMGZZHEEVILZ!" without further facts about their KH. End of story. If my friends told me something like that without a reason that I can't agree with since I don't understand, I would say is more of their bias and opinion than anything. That's why I think KH2 wasn't perfectly plotted. No reason is ever given throughout the game except the whole Heartless focus on Sora thing in worlds, as I said already.

Correction, the Org. are capable of controlling the Dusks, not that all were in their control, so they are "Rouge Nobodies". The only ones who weren't were the ones that took after them, which is Sniper Nobodies, Berserkers, etc.

Well, at least you agreed on the Xemnas thing, yet...

Why would they need to die? They can simply go rouge, unless they have no option but to be killed.

Nobodies easily taken care of, and there weren't even that much. Big deal, yeah, but not their doing, but rather his.

Exactly, so there's nothing wrong as to why they couldn't succeed with their goal of gaining hearts.

They weren't attacking "places", but the places were Sora went, there's a contrast where they just attack a town for the hell of it and for fun, and a contrast when they were just focusing on a the goal at hand without doing much else. Good enough reason to fight them on the outside, but when you get their goal and what they were trying to gain back, it changes.

Even with a a heart achievement in mind, they had it coming? The point is, the Org. didn't know they were wrong, right? So how does that make them evil, if not, more misunderstood?

That was the only time though, and it also makes up for what Sora did to insult and trash talk to Demyx. Xigbar was the only one that stated that. If Sora didn't like how they were laughing at him, why do the same to someone else? Which just makes him a hypocrite. Just because he's "that age" isn't a good excuse to what he did. Might as well just simply take in the argument quietly already that the Org. were innocent because they didn't have hearts and couldn't feel, instead of gravelling down on them.

I already explained that they didn't need to, and Sora showed not signs of wanting to find out the truth either, so why do they have to for no reason given? The Org. didn't see any police men, just the person that they needed to use coming, or "police man", and they continued because of the goal that I also explained a million times about and why, while the "police man" had no clue into really knowing what was going on truthfully.

And police men don't simply shoot. They arrest, and take them in for questioning, something Sora did not do. He just shot.

The game makes it that way, whether is canon or not. Everyone followed him without a choice, but they didn't die for him, they died for their goal. Why would they die for Xemnas, when they can't feel or desire him in any way other than the leader?

Remind you please? Again, it was Xemnas, not the Org., so there's no need for reminding.

Not in the memories department.

Yeah, but the dog doesn't know better and think is simply being threatened. Sora has something called a brain, as little as it is. There could've been other ways to handle it than simply "KILLEZ", and he got her back anyway before he could go on any further in the castle or even fought Xigbar. To attack them for finding Kairi was over then, and it was mostly Saïx who came up with that plan on his own (which I'm sure it wasn't disagreed with), and Axel also told Sora the same thing. Saïx.

You mean Xaldin?

If losing you heart is not a pleasant experience and you know this, then you could also understand where the Organization comes from as being Nobodies with their hearst absent, now, wouldn't you? Losing your heart is not like having your arm broken, except the fact that it makes you incomplete and a piece is missing, but it isn't as painful, or it isn't impossible to get another back. They never showed how they really lose their hearts of how Heartless attack, except for the manga, but even then is questionable if it was painful, as Sora didn't seem to be in pain when he jabbed that black keyblade into his chest in KH1. Not part of the point, but something to bring up, since you seem to be aware how hard is it to lose a heart, when the Org. suffered the same thing, and you still hammer them down.

Xaldin wasn't even trying to cut Beat's heart out, just giving him enough depression and stress so his heart might give in to darkness, and then he can have his Heartless.

Beast isn't even my part of the argument or about "fixing", so talk to ICSP for that since I'm not sure what is it that's the point (I merely skimmed over other posts and didn't really read it well).

Didn't know you were bringing Castle Oblivion into this when it wasn't even remembered in KH2. But these were simply traitor's actions that went againts the group itself and the group's goal. What Zexion, Vexen, and Lexaeus were trying to do and how they went about it is also debatable on another topic, because they were trying to find a way to counter Sora to Marluxia's Sora, thus, Riku was needed. If you want to make a thread to discuss this, be my guest.

The full information he got was that they were collecting hearts, and what they were doing on bringing Heartless to him. Not exactly "full information", is it? Sora also made no effort to enlighten himself about the workings of what they were doing, he never tried, and didn't bother either, so if he is justified for that, then so is the Org.

"I think is stupid and worthless, if you ask me, little kids. Nothing original," Larxene sniped as she kept her stare back at the seat behind her, looking and listening to everyone else, and Demyx complimenting Roxas on his childish behavior. Then again, he was fifteen, and Demyx was short on fuse anyway. Looking over at Axel, who was thankfully now awake (she had had enough of his less than pleasing sleeping and drooling), she watched him fall back on his seat and find the discovery of the shaving cream on his face, before simply remarking, "I'll feel sorry for whoever marries him, his wife will probably barf everytime she sees him drooling all over the pillow, and snoring like a thunderstorm was headed their way. That kind of lowers his attraction..."

"Well, the way you were coming in and back from the kitchen is questionable concerning anything sane, but either way it doesn't matter," Larxene said quickly, shutting her mouth and stopping her breathing for a little second to halt another incoming sneeze. Rubbing her nose, as if that was going to ease the stuffiness, she merely gritted her teeth at what Xaldin questioned, her eyes narrowing dangerously as she glanced at Axel once more, before placing her gaze on Xaldin. "Why I hate him? There are many reason why, but for today, is the fact that he kept insulting and bothering me when I told him not to mess with me since I'm not in the mood, he kept going, and going, and so when I was finsihing my soup, I threw a little to his face, and he kicked my stool hard, and made me fall down on the floor, which made me bang my head...which was painful, alright?! And now I have a bump and bruise because of his damn stupidity..."

She let out a strong breath, appearing like she was huffing, shaking her head to clear the pounding ache that was still there. "As for Zexion, yes, he keeps hitting and touching me. I warned him so many times until the point where I had it! I kicked him hard with my heeled boots in the stomach, I palced a kunai through his throat and made a small cut, makin ghim bleed, then I threw him to the floor, where he hit his head hard and got knocked out. And he still wouldn't give up. Next time I'm not going to be so merciful...and all because he has these memory lapses that changed his personality a little....what the hell is wrong with the male species? Seriously..."

She said the last part begrudgingly to herself.

OOC: Back to memory lane -

The irony from all that is actually quite funny, isn't it? :D

BIC:

Axel placed a hand over his mouth to stop the chuckle, utterly entertained and amused by the girl. He looked over at Roxas in question with a wide smile, in which the boy just shrugged as he was starting to walk over to them. Turning his head back on the girl, Axel simply studied her for a moment with the smile reverting back to a snide smirk, crossing his arms. After a moment, he easily spoke with a dry voice, "Hmph. I think those accusations should be reversed back to you, Xangel. What did I do? What did I say or make apparent that I hate you, or don't care or bother to hear part of your story...?" He took a sarcastic pause there, as in going into thought, before shrugging in defeat. "Okay, well, fine, I don't care, I don't even know you...still, you're getting ahead of yourself when I didn't make any statement of the sort now, right?

He raised a slick eyebrow in question, his amused expression never changing, though something dangerous glinted in his eyes and his tone tightened. "You should watch your mouth, because so far, you're not making a effort on me not disliking you."

"Fine, then if you don't want to be a replacement, and if you don't like it or want to be here, why are you still in this castle then?" Roxas added in, getting into the conversation as he stood beside Axel with a frown on his face as he eyed her sharply, Chelsie yet to be moved from his arms as she kept on sleeping. He tried not to say anything, but then what was keeping her here? He didn't bother about the Mountain Dew, they weren't in the kitchen anyway, just in the hall...and he didn't know whether to enter since Larxene was there.

"One day..." Aerith muttered and whispered to herself quietly, not knowing in what way she would ever reveal it. She saw him go to Tifa from the corner of her eye, but like always, it didn't bother her, Tifa was quite standing alone there. Placing her attention elsewhere as she waited for her butter roll to be done, she went to look at her other companion, Yuffie, but she seemed a bit...abashed. Smiling at her, she waved the girl over, "Come here, Yuff! Pick out what you want to eat..."

Tifa looked up at Cloud, a bit startled at his question, yet she smiled nonetheless, shaking her head. "Nothing's wrong...I was just looking over the chocolate bars to see which one I want...I think I'm going to choose Twix." Staring down at the floor in embarassment, that he was here with her, she also admitted in a low tone to him, "And I was listening...Aerith's been saying she left without telling anyone for some reason, and I don't want to butt in...yet it got my curiosity. Whg would she ever leave like that?"

She was truthfully wondering, even concerned as if maybe there was something wrong that made her act on that decision.

OOC: .....? o.O

Roftl! xDD I swear when I read that I cracked a rib from laughing, lol.

Anyway, I could really answer anything, not even in RPing cause I was so busy, not to mention I had to study. I only logged in once to read, before getting out again, and going to vacuum the carpet on my father's job for twenty bucks, and then we went out to eat to Red Lobster (and I hate sea food, but there's chicken anyway), and I didn't get home until ten. So there you go for why I lasted long today in case anyone wondered xP.

And for some reason, my brain works better at night.

OOC: I don't even know how to answer what he took from her pocket, because she doesn't have a pocket (remember, harem outfit? Bedsheet as a cloak?) Anyway...

Xemnas sighed as he kept going over some papers he had ignored until now in his office, not wanting to suffer again through agreements and bills, so he was grateful when Saïx's voice resonated through the speaker of the walkie talkie. Placing the pen down gladly, he picked the sound box up, and placed it close to his face as he pressed a button to answer back, pondering over what could be wrong....Saïx sounded almost...worried?

"Yes, this is Xemnas speaking. Tell me what is wrong."

He got up from his chair to head outside anyway, something telling him this was a type of emergency, judging from his worker's tone.

Marluxia was already on the staff lounge in short time the moment Saïx had said the word, as that was what he was waiting for, and he immediately went to the closet without any other thought, the place were most personal items were kept by the employees, and of course, the first aid kit. Opening the door, he looked at all the shelf levels, pushing and reordering objects to find where was the box, and it wasn't until the lower shelf that he found the first aid. Grabbing it by the handle, he simply shut the door closed, and walked back to head out, wondering briefly what Larxene was doing.....

Larxene simply looked down at the knocked out guy in front of her, now trying to think how to get him down to the earth, after all, as much strength as she had, she couldn't carry both weapon and added body weight when jumping down. So, planning to get information first before anything, she crouched down and explored his vest, taking out the added kunai he had from his hand and making it disappear. She studied his wallet, as well his ID, and other necessities, and found that his name was Seifer and he worked as KMart's janitor, blond hair, eyes a dark blue....nothing genuine. Good enough, nothing more to find out.

Straightening back up, leaving him abandoned there on the roof until he woke up, she reached down for the dropped weapon that he had and lifted the heavy thing up, studying it from both her hands curiously. Nice. Both a blade and a gun...she never seen it before. Too bad he was never going to use it again for wielding it for the wrong reasons, in which he might've killed someone. Glancing back at the falling form, she giggled amusedly, before resting the weapon on her shoulder and jumping off the roof gracefully into the ground in a fearless leap, her cloak billowing upwards in the rush and wind as her stomach tickled and flip-flopped to her throat, but she was too used to the sensation of free falling for it to affect her. Landing nothing short of resembling a cat in her feet, she composed herself, and not a while later used her speed to get back to WalMart quickly.

Nothing to say here, except we didn't know what his goal was exactly, except to stop his apprentice from going any further. We know in the beginning that he simply wanted revenge, but he came to regret it. I'm guessing the machine was built around that time, or either reworked to fit the situation and ruin the faux KH.

But wait, this is another different topic o.O.

The hearts were not unstable. Nothing showed that they were, they were the same as you would've taken it out of a pure Heartless. The machine did nothing but release the captive hearts in the Org.'s KH by the light beam from the machine hitting the moon, therefore, depleting the source of energy, which ruined it with a hole. The hearts were...what? Fine. Crystal. Perfect. No pieces broken. Prove me otherwise.

Okay, so it was a power-up type of thing, I never denied it, that's why they needed to collect more hearts....what does this have to do with anything? The fact is, no harm came to those hearts except for the use of energy, and they could've been freed cleanly, considering Xemnas charged up and nothing truly awful happened.

We don't know what Kingdom Hearts is, most of us, even the die hard fans, haven't truthfully figured it out, and keep speculating just what is it. Mystery still surrounds it. The explanation we have so far is that "is the heart of all worlds", as well as having both light and darkness (of course, this is coming from what happened in KH1 in the end), and from the CGI BBS ending: where a blue heart-shaped essence is in the sky...that may be KH. We don't even KNOW where the hearts really go to since the Nomura interview said that when the heart is freed, "it goes into a state of suspension", until the Nobody is killed. What suspension is that? Does it say anything in print that's where all hearts go? (I'm actually serious...is there?)

For all we are sure of, the Org. may have simply made their KH suck up hearts to power it up, instead of redirecting them from where they are "suppose to go". Of course, the Org. XIII's KH wouldn't be considered the real KH, just a false one that was hand made. I'm sure it doesn't have the greatness that the real would.

Again, even if they did this, nothing happened to anything in the universe from those actions in-game, so it wasn't "bad" precisely. Is amazing how much people put this into the pedestal when is not even such a big deal in the first place. The only thing that would be "bad" is Xemnas having unmeasurable power from it, which might have been the reason to stop what he was doing and his creation. But is just him that's the main problem then.

Might not be the best idea, but as you said yourself, is one man, does not constitute for the rest. That one man is taken out, everything will be over. You have to remember the members were under his control, and as someone pointed out, not listening equals automatic betrayal and death, or turn into a Dusk in the case of Axel. Xemnas was the most powerful member of the Org. and their leader. Whatever he said, goes. Period.

The Org. never attacked Sora directly (except for Xaldin, and Demyx...but that one was kind of uncalled for) until he made it to their stronghold (which would constitute them to protect it and stop him from ruining their goal, which is the whole reason he was there, wasn't it? They were going to let him get away with what they had worked so hard for?), they were just giving him Heartless to destroy and to speed up the process (which again, Sora always does). Nothing has ever been stolen from Sora, what? The Olympus Stone? It wasn't even his, and it was returned. Placed on the floor for him to get it. In fact, it was, you could say, borrowed without permission, but not used as a excuse in this case, since it was given back.

Well, then, I sure didn't sense it.

Once more, they were working for the goal and following orders. Sora kills Heartless. Everytime he moves a step, they jump him. Right or not, fact is, Sora could handle it, so it wasn't as over the top wrong as some try to make it seem, especially if they can't even feel anything. As you could see, Kingdom Hears was almost done, hence, they needed to gather hearts quickly, and did what they could to accomplish it in time. Do you get that desire? You're so close to that goal and what you wanted most that it only needs just a bit more to reach it while you keep working for it?

Blocking Sora from the millions of hearts in danger? The hearts weren't in danger as I already explained above. Whether they would've been freed iof Xemnas and Org. succeeded, is another story that didn't end that way.

Sora had no obligation, but how is creating a world selfish? I don't understand that type of logic, The World That Never Was is created as well. Nobody complained about that.

Of course not, I was just trying to point out that he was enjoying destroying them for that while, is not like he sinned. He sounded arrogant, and blood lust isn't anything good either, so is not to be considered "saintly".

No, I can't. First off, Sora never remembered anything from Castle Oblivion, subsconciously or not, or else he would've known that the guys in cloaks seemed familia, what they are made of, what they did, and who Naminé was. And it would've been mentioned in the game as well. Second, Roxas's memories were never transferred to him, or else he would've known who the blond guy was plus everything else that needed to be known. And while Roxas did act on bodily functions (that time when Sora shed a tear), I'm sure he wasn't present (as in the essence of him, since he's now more like a spiritual and unnoticed part of Sora now) from the rest of the battles, as Diz himself was apologizing, saying if he could hear him.

Nobodies, as in Dusks, that were attacking him, who were simply just like Heartless with no sense of self at all? And that accounts for the human forms? >.< That sentence just proves how much he followed others people's words and opinions instead of getting his own outlook.

Attacking Hollow Bastion how? The Org. in Hollow Bastion merely first appeared to introduce themselves and leave. The only one who truly attacked it was Xemnas by summoning his thousand Heartless. Demyx didn't do anything except having his final battle there. And Saïx was just hunting down Axel. And once more, Sora follows other's advice about why the Org. is bad, and is soooo funny...because they (Yensid, Mickey, or even Diz) never explained what exactly were they doing so wrong in acquiring the goal the group had set out for themselves. I could understand how they keep summoning the Heartless in a specific place on a world for Sora to kill, but otherwise, what? "Messing up our worlds", which can be added for the same fact as having specific Heartless at one spot, when nothing horrible and irreplacebale happened to the said worlds or its people? I mean, hell, I don't see worlds exploding or having some type of space effect of a black hole anywhere. Is even obvious that the plot changed from "stopping the KH collecting hearts" to "stopping Xemnas".

I think the Org. perhaps didn't take in that they needed to ask (and really, how odd would that be?), as they already had a plan set in their minds and were following it, and there was also the chance the thought telling Sora would or may ruin their plans depending on his reaction that may be refused (is the same way why they never told Roxas anything in case of what he might decide).They could have thought of that option at one point, but came to rest that it may not work, or else, I'm sure it could've been settled with a type of agreement. But you also have to keep in mind that Xemnas had his own plans for himself (as you could see from him sucking up the power for himself and to create a "new world", then again, hsi members were all gone), and since he's the boss, may not have given that option to the rest because of his own goal. A group like the Org., depends on their leader for guidance and explanations, and I'm positive they were aware that it wouldn't be a good idea to cross him at all either way.

Who knows? *shrug* Is not clear how this all ended to be, so I might have to wait for 358/2 Days and see, which has to have more info into their workings. They weren't going to risk it, so they did the second best thing, and simply made Sora do what they would've asked of him without his knowing.

And Demyx told incoherent things (it wasn't even that much, really), how can that stop anyone from asking? Demyx sure made sense later on and was speaking correctly. And Demyx also didn't battle him until Sora just kept running his mouth on and on, and they were even making fun of him (yes, they were, calling him weak, how someone like him ever got to the Organization lol, etc). True or not, that was cruel.

Good. We're getting somewhere on distinguishing who.

From the outside it might look the same, so I do understand, yet going deeper, the difference is that what they were executing was a way to simply gain something they had lost and to feel emotions again, not for anything of "take over the world and rule" like what Heartless Ansem was planning.

Sora does get the chance to kill Xemnas, in the end with Riku. And you're forgetting this is a RP game. Xemnas as all powerful Leader = Last Boss. No matter what. It was merely plotted that way. Is still not clear if he did order the remaining members to take care of it (as Saïx had to ask), but again, I don't see what that has to do with the topic at hand other than hinting Xemnas is a coward?

Sora never bothered to ask anything of that matter, so why would they out of nowhere speak? Was it to be expected and believed that they appear and blab everything off to him right off? They didn't even know whether or not he wanted explanations. Both parties were at fault in that case.

The only time he ever questioned anything to them was with Xigbar where he asked who was Roxas and the guy was fading . How the hell is he suppose to explain that clearly when he's perhaps in pain and about to go push the daisies? The best is he could've done is yell concerning the time he had left "Roxas is your Nobody", which knowing Sora, will leave him even more confused. Xigbar didn't even bother to answer, because from the look on his face, you could see he was sad. I'll even post the picture so you can see into his eyes...sorry, eye and expression.

Again, Sora did NOT remember Castle Oblivion, so that whole argument is moot. Only in FM+ it was hinted that he might have have remembered (and he was already battling Xemnas's second form with Riku by then), because he didn't remember to "thank Naminé" (I was wondering what was up with that, since in the game, the Journal had said "Thank Naminé" and even when she told her name, Sora didn't do anything. I'm glad they fixed that up by adding that small tidbit). But that doesn't say much except for him forgetting to thank her from what was said in the Journal to do.

Oh, you do remember correctly, and I'm sure you figured that by Destiny's Force's post somehow. The whole thing actually made me laugh because it was so cliché. But is good to notice that only Xemnas was speaking, and the rest just followed his laugh. Could you imagine if one of the members spoke out about not doing that, and Xemnas giving him the glare of doom with a added threat? Coudl you imagine a Org. member agreeing with "Alright! Le'ts have some fun and laugh! Whoo!" (the whole thing was tedious and unneeded, in my opinion) They were simply following Xemnas, to whichever personal reason they had to do so (I could Demyx was because of fright). The only thing I think all the members agreed with was the chance to get their hearts back by their plot, but other than discussing about it in the Throne Room, is Xemnas that calls what to do in the end after hearing.

Saïx kidnapped her to simply ignite Sora's fire, and therefore, willing to fight more. No harm came to Kairi. Yes, she was locked up so she wouldn't escape (how else can you be able to keep her?), but did they torture her? Hurt her? Did anything eeeevilz? No. End of.

If losing your heart (which let me remind, is a pink glowing thing that floats) is like death, then they wouldn't be able to return, and as we already made fact from before, they can return. Dead means...you're dead. You're gone. Never coming back. Is even explained that in KH, dying is simply when both your heart and soul leave the body like a normal death usually is. The process of Nobodies and Heartless is simply those parts separating to their own entity, not that they are completelygone. It's like death, but it isn't at the same time.

Anyway, it seems we can drop this as it's not really adding anything further to the topic, right?

What...split? The experimentation is talking about the first six, but otherwise...I don't get what it is you're trying to get through.

My main reasons are, is that what the Org. did isn't that atrociously evil that would deserve them death in the hands of Sora (making him somewhat unjustified in that direction. It would've been fine if he understood from the beginning, and explained why the Org.'s goal was such a horrible thing that it needed to destroyed, other than Xemnas using it? In other words, KH2 should've been plotted better), taking in who they are, what type of creatures they turned out to be, human form or not, and the fact that they are not capable of regretting or feeling guilty, hence, no clear view of what they were doing...which wasn't even that much in reality.

Added to this, I do think that some of KH2 plots have holes in them that contradict each other (I think there was a thread for this, though it probably took its death), and believe it or not, there was room for a agreement, but since this is a game...what fun would that be? xD Of course, this is different since we are simply diving into the KH universe and its concept (at least I'm thinking so...), but is food for thought anyway.

Actually, I really don't mind, because is in the same lines I was thinking of, though a bit more soft on his reasons why. You have to give him credit that he was the only Org. member that actually did the right thing in the end by finding his wrongs, yet he didn't redeem himself that much in my eyes. I don't think he even did it truly for Sora, but much more for Roxas since he lives inside him. People mostly feel sympathy for him because of what he went through, but as a person...eh, I'm not convinced.

And his death was so questionable. Like, if Sora can defeat a thousand Heartless, he couldn't defeat the Nobodies in Betwixt and Between? o.O

Larxene watched as she saw the guy attack the other Larxene in the parking lot, standing behind him on the roof, trying hard not to give herself away by laughing as she simply stood there, watching as the wooden sword struck her very still and unmoving clone, making her dissappear. It was so easy, after her words, she simply made one with her ingenious speed and climbed and jump herself to the roof like a cat in just those quick seconds, getting to where she was now. Leaning down her head, and placing her mouth close to his ear as she kept staring at the spot where herself once was, she whispered sweetly, "Hmm, what do you know? What a little aim to hurt, isn't it?"

The moment her sentence finished, or rather, much sooner than that, before he could do anything if he had sensed her, she grasped the top of his head hard and made sure it was the type of grip that was painful, and in a quick jolt, sent electricity spiraling down to his brain cells and nerves, shocking him as his body convulged from the electrocution, though she calculated enough electricity so it wouldn't kill him exactly, or affect his brain by avoiding certain spots, just paralyze him or....

She let go of him as she watched him fall down to the ground unconscious with a smile.

OOC: I added the last sentence cause he couldn't escape that kind of attack, so I just made him faint...if you don't like that, I could let you do it or something, or change it. And yes, before anyone says anything, she can make little Lar-Lar clones due to her massive speed xP, watch her fights.

Aerith head perked up at the word he couldn't finish, and she went to stare at him deeply, not knowing what to think, because he had said it clear enough for her to understand. Obviously, this made her curious, more than she liked to, and for a second, a sudden wamness filled her...something that came with hope. However, that wasn't the case she was concerned about as he asked the question she had been wanting to ignore, but she guessed she had walked into that one with what she said. Not answering as she stepped up to the counter to order a butter roll first, she simply said in a low voice, "Nothing...is just something..."

Tifa listened carefully as she looked over the candy bars, stealing a couple of glances now and then at Aerith. Now this just made her more interested on what was the reason, and it was't she wasn't willing to let out.

Roxas jumped at the new voice, for a moment freezing as a sense of fear wrecked through him at being caught and Axel here alive, though then he remembered that Larxene was the only female in the Organization. Creasing his eyebrows, confused, as his best friend was busy oggling Larxene in a daze, he turned his head around to see who was it asking for a Mountain Dew, only to spot the person he disliked from the beginning. Lowering his eyelids in realization, though his gaze was dark, he simply said boredly, "Oh, it's you."

What was she doing here? Now she'll probably snitch to Zexion and Vexen, and then they will really get into a situation that wasn't needed. And he was still hungry.

Axel was busy staring at Larxene to notice anything just yet, easily watching her intently without her knowing, at her every move, at her every action. Before, he had been contemplating about mixed feelings on how to act when he sees her after being dead, and he thought that with the whole Zexion kiss in mind that he would somehow reject her and walk away, or be awkward. That wasn't the case though, because seeing her right now made him want to embrace her tight like he would never let go again, and kiss her senseless and passionately, making up for the time lost. And he wanted to right now...as his eyes took in her figure, her soft curves, her assets, her beauty...he wanted so badly to right now...get her from behind, surprise her, and just take her mercilessly, but the fact was that he couldn't. Not yet, as tempting and as desired as it was, and how it warmed him inside. All he could do was...watch from afar, her still thinking he was dead and never to return. If only he could...what would happen if he did? Will it change any of their plans?

Studying her more, his eyes grew wide in surprise when he just spotted that she had a furry Moogle...and she was feeding it food, the thing was obviously the creature being from Traverse Town. Was Max giving free pets away now? He was startled that she didn't even massacre the thing already and it was still breathing, so....as much as she wouldn't like to admit it, she was fond of it. Smiling at that, before he could think on it more, he heard a voice and Roxas speaking, in which it snapped him out of his spying and made him turn his own head around, but sharply. Though what he saw was better than he expected.

Delighted, a smirk grazing his face as he straightened up, he tilted his head slightly at the girl, before beginning to step up to her form, keeping his voice low so Larxene wouldn't hear him in the kitchen. "Well, well, if it isn't my little replacement. I feel so, so honored to meet you face to face...I've only seen you far off when you were fighting Larxene, but goodness...this was unexpected, right?" He took a pause there as he stood in front of her, his green eyes narrowing as the smirk evolved into a jackal like grin. "The name's Axel. Got it memorized?"

OOC: She should know, remember back when Vexen described him? xP

They put the man easily on the stretcher, himself making it comfortable for a fit, before grabbing the end of the two poles to hold it, sending a look to Rexwand in a serious manner. "Grab the other poles, and we'll carry him away. Then we will return for the mother after searching for the preservation room in the infirmary, and that would be it. Got it memorized?" As he studied the doctor a little, seeing him wince and his expression any less thrilled to do this, he simply looked at Shigiku's father, and jumped at what he "saw" in utter fright, his eyes widening in fear as he yelled, "HOLY SH-! IT MOVED!!! IT MOVED! IT'S ALIVE!! LOOK OUT!

Marluxia dodged the incoming bullets easily, finding this more annoying than dangerous, though nothing hit Saïx and the girl as they were taking cover. And for a moment, he thought that human stupidity will become less, but that shooter obviously proved him wrong. "Quiet,you're a customer in our store, and therefore entitled to protection, just as long as you spread around all the things KMart is doing to give a bad reputation to them after you get out, is fine."

He was mildly not serious, but he was giving the hint of what she could do either way.

Larxene was not standing in the ground on another side of the parking lot, her speed obviously getting her there in less time, and was looking up at the man who was causing all the commotion back at her store, smiling cruelly. She had seen him, and she simply took her arm from under her "cloak" ,and waved cheerily at him, mocking and sarcastic as her eyes narrowed in pleasurable delight at the many torturous things she could do to him. Oh, she was going to have fun. "Hey, s**t for brains, bet you can't shoot me now, can you? Don't worry, I won't even move, let's see how much of a shot you are since you seem to be enjoying aiming at others."

What would cause all worlds to self-destruct leaving paradox to the space-time continuim? There was nothing, nothing in the game that said that type of thing and consequence will happen at all, this is merely a assumption that you got yourself. The Kingdom Hearts universe, isn't our universe, not to mention you're putting physics into a fictional game. That's why I didn't answer. Xemnas used Kingdom Hearts, he did so, done deal, nothing happened. The worlds didn't disrupt, nothing was done, people didn't die.

There's nothng wrong with the members using a energy powered KH moon to get brand new hearts, is not like the worlds are going to be affected, but merely the Org. Nobodies themselves. Their goal didn't disrupt anything except for the actions they took to gain it, which weren't even really that bad save for two or three members, they just simply quicken up the pace.