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"You suffer but why?"


Are the lyrics to "You Suffer" by Napalm Death which is the shortest song in the world (slightly over 1 second long) according to the Guinness Book of World Records.

Topics are overrated. Enough said.

As long as it's tasty...

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Author is drunk. Be careful what you read!

That's just it. He can do it but he doesn't. Why not? I as an atheist am really interested in that.

Not if they are responsible. And I do hope that they are responsible.
As a matter of fact I never said that they shouldn't. But being responsible doesn't necessarily involve marriage, as you probably already know.

Same with marriage. Married couples still find out that their husband/wife "wasn't the right one" after they have sex (or worse, after they have a child). Marriage is by no means a guarantee for true love.
Marriage leaves its own set of problems on top of the ones relationships have at all.

Indeed they do. But what good is marriage in this situation? You don't necessarily reduce the chances of an unwanted child. You just make it harder for the guy to leave. Which makes marriage a contract.
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I'll try to explain this one more time...
A guy is looking to score. He starts talking to a girl and the both of them get along. They want to have sex. Either of them says: "I'm not in love with you. I'm just looking for some fun." The other one shrugs or says "Works for me." or "Me neither. Let's go for it". They use triple protection (condom + pill + morning-after pill the next morning). The guy had fun. The girl had fun. No harm was done whatsoever. But they were clearly not married. How is that wrong?

Which brings me to the point I've been trying to defend all along. Forbidding premarial sex would be "punishing the good ones along with the bad ones"
Which isn't a solution. Removing the consequences instead of the cause is a half-assed solution if anything. Teaching the youngsters about responsibility by showing them a realistic vision of the future is another.

False. If any of the parties have an STD the partner has a chance of getting it, and the child has a chance of inheriting it.
There is no difference between a married couple and a responsible couple who have lived together for several years in this case.

In other words; they stick together because of a contract.
Truth be told, I don't know much about love. But what I do know is that it should never be a contract. Which is exactly what marriage offers over any alternatives.

Your quote from the Bible did not mention anything about marriage.
Game, set and match. ;)

You implied I stated that God doesn't want us to have sex, which I never did.
I think you'd understand by now. Maybe I should use easier words? :)

Oh right. Because you can't be committed to one another without being married. Living together for several years and loving eachother for several years simply doesn't cut it. :D

Granting yourself an easy ride: achieved.

I've never denied that my dear wish is for people to stop believing in faith and start believing in science/maths/logic.

There is indeed a difference between offering a replacement and not doing so.

Yadda yadda yadda yadda.

From my very first reply I had hoped that someone would explain to me the difference between a married couple (read: those who have signed a piece of paper) and an unmarried responsible couple who has lived together for years (read: those who have not signed the same piece of paper).
Sadly, no explanation has been given as of yet. *dancewaterdance* has continuously avoided the point I have hinted at, but has never answered. I shall be forced to conclude that there is no difference and that I have been right all along. :)

If God really is omnipotent then he'd be able to make sex pleasurable for married couples only. Just a thought on that, but I'd like to see your explanation nonetheless.

Yes please.

Actually, I made no mention that they shouldn't think of the consequences. You just made that up on the spot. :) Nice try though.

Yes. Yes, they do.
I don't see marriage providing immunity for STDs. I don't see how marriage is a safeguard against unwanted children (You do realize that a lot of married couples still come across that problem right?).
It's the couple's sense of responsibility that determines whether or not they'll have to cope with these problems, not the fact that they are married or not.

You seem to have a knack for twisting my words and hoping I don't see through it.
You also seem to have a knack for failing at that. :)
You said yourself that the Bible says that married couples are the ones God wants to have sex. Do you want me to quote your exact words?

I said people can live together without getting married when they are in love. Many people think that marriage is unnecessary protocol and think that they don't need such a charade to prove that their love is true.
And yeah, that is more common then a few decades ago.
Marriage is still a tradition nowhere near dying, but there are alternatives. And according to you, people who choose those alternatives have no right to have sex.

The Bible is, as you said yourself, the word of God. So information on him would be found there. How would your acquaintance know that it was God that she discovered if not for the description the Bible gave of him?

Awww. Struck a nerve, did I? How cute. :)

Very well. Allow me to rephrase with this new information (yes, I admit it was somewhat new to me).
Tons of people wrote the Bible, which is the word of God. And how do they understand God? How can they comprehend the creature that works in "mysterious ways"? Because he spoke to them? Some lines in the Bible are directly spoken by God. But a lot of them are spoken before those writers were even born. Before scripture even existed. Then how do you expect me to believe that those writers preach the true word of God as he would have wanted it?

Completely clueless, aren't you? :) I find it hilarious how you call me ignorant while you don't have the slightest idea how atheists think but pass judgement on their evil, yes evil goals nonetheless. :D
But I'll help you out.
Indeed, I do hope that more people will stop believing in time.
I don't hope to "crush" faith or take it away, I'd much rather replace it with a more pragmatic view on the future. The way I see it, faith and prayer is how to do nothing and still think you're helping. A realistic view on the future and the will to do whatever's in your power to avert its less pleasant facets is more helpful than just faith in something vague.
But thanks for cracking me up. My mood has improved dramatically because of your post. :)

Actually, the Mayans had multiple calendars. When one comes to an end, another one begins.

Oh, I'm sorry. I forgot that a couple that has lived together for years without being married can't possibly dream of raising a child properly.

Actually, it is an accepted standard that many rapists commit these acts because it makes them exert power over their victims rather than the pleasure itself. But I'm sure you just pretended not to know that and gave a bad example on purpose for reasons I fail to grasp. :)

Because it's also done for pleasure.

The Bible doesn't evolve with the other trends. At the time it was written it was traditional for a couple to get married, and for teenagers not to have 10 boy/girlfriends before the one they're supposed to marry.
But times have changed. Man and wife can live together without ever getting married and according to the Bible they're not supposed to have sex, which is of course rubbish. :)

You don't know how he is created, you don't know how exists but you do know what he wants for you because of some ancient book written by four evangelists. And how did those evangelists know what he wants? Beats me, but I'm sure it makes sense somewhere deep down inside. ;)

I'll consider that. :p

Your username looks like a bar code and you type in pink and you still expect me to take you seriously?