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o_o Nope. Availability mod froze me. I just changed Ally Sora's status to Riku's. 8D

Thanks. ^.^

... Please don't. Even if it is his fault for not being online.

Wow, thanks dood. Hey did you know your sig blinks. *Goes back to looking at your blinking sig.*

Come now ICSP... You think I wouldn't be expecting something like that? <_<

*Reads the logo*

Kingdom Hearts - Three-Five-Eight Days over Two.

o.O

... There's something unsettling about this theory... It seems plausible, but there are one or two things that strike me as odd. I shall return when I find out why.

... There's a symbol, that Roxas draws on the table in the mansion...

Taking a look at that one thing that had it's mouth open, the symbol that Roxas drew can clearly be seen...

Can it be? Are these creatures really complete beings that have descended into the depths of darkness and despair.

If so, they truly aren't heartless or nobodies... They are whole... yet missing something... Could it be the same thing that Ven has lost? Is Ven destined to degenerate into one of those things?

Dropping in for a -short- while to post this.

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And I will help, because the power of Skeith compels me. *murdered*

<.< Actually I just like objecting to things. *points at sig.*

And I believe Ven is Xehanort. lol. I mean the whole "Ven's Identity + Xehanort's Memory = Birth By Sleep" has been nagging at me for a while.

Well, it's either him or the DS. *bricked*

Please, for my benefit also, explain it Daxma.

X-Breaker!!! *Shattering Glass is heard.*

Having evidence is one thing. Having evidence that supports your theory is another~.

We know this. He wanted back his memories.

Yeah, helping Xemnas get back his memories.

Ditched? Is that moonspeak for "Continuing with your plan til the very end"? You do realize all nobodies instinctively feel the need to be complete, right? 'cept Roxas, cuz he thinks Sora's a sap. *bricked*

Destroyed? Hardly, else he wouldn't be the twilight wielder anymore, now would he? The most I'm willing to give with regards to that is 'forced repression'.

... Durr? Couldn't it be that Xemnas was just that powerful that he could use clones? I mean, Larxene can, and she's a b- I mean, lower ranked member.
Don't see what this has to do with Terra though, seeing as the Final Mixes made you beat the game to fight the spoiler boss IIRC.

... -.-;
Terra was friends with Ven, who looks like Roxas, who looks like Sora. Make sense now?

... -_-;

Um, what? I'll let this go for now because I keep getting all sorts of errors trying to load that pic. =.=

... Uh, he wanted to know why Axel chose to die for Sora and not him. You did watch the additional Final Mix material regarding that right? Where Xemmy said that Roxas came back because of Axel's death, and Axel and Roxas made peace at the clock tower?
Not seeing your point. o_o;

... Ugh, this is heading toward another Terra is Xehanort debate... I'm so not in the mood for another of those. -_-;

Sadly, I'm going to have to call this unintelligible gibberish that leads to no conclusion, and is therefore automatically moot. Of course the other apprentices knew more about the past than Xemnas. They kept their memories remember? What they didn't know was what happened in Xemnas's past. That's why they even bothered to continue the experiments back when they worked for Ansem the Wise.

Either way, I still don't really see what your theory is trying to prove that we didn't know already. You might wanna revise it a bit. =.=

... *smacks you*

Did you ever stop to think that the weapons disappeared because the wielder was near-death? It actually kinda makes sense. It also explains why there are Absent Silhouettes, which are the weapons that take the form of their wielders when they engage in battle.

...

*bites you*

It's a free-for-all. That's what forums are for. =P

... *cough*

Go look at yourself in the mirror. Most people stand like that. Especially if they happen to be right-footed.

... I would call them "Incomplete" Keyblades. They are Keychainless after all. Possibly, Master Xehanort figured out how to make them complete, and did so for himself and his apprentice...

But you're right. There's something fishy about them...

... o_O Quite the slip-up there ICSP.

... hahaha... Pika_Power's theory explains this. It's not the power of the memories, it's the power of the person in the memories! Cloud is one of the strongest people, non-keyblade-wielding people Sora has ever met. I mean, even Metal Chocobo was a formidable Keyblade back in KH1.

Nooope. IIRC, Leon and Crew are from Radiant Garden, the only outsiders being Cloud and Tifa. Hence, Sleeping Lion would represent Radiant Garden if that were true, but no, it represents Leon.

Tut tut tut. Out of line there, ICSP. If it represented the World of Darkness, Nomura would have said it represented the World of Darkness, and not "Sora's memories of Riku". Even though the World of Darkness is a real place, Oblivion is not a representation of it.

Aside from the contradiction Pika_Power pointed out, the Organization made both the Proof of Existance and the Garden of Assemblage. And on both the identifier is their weapons. Now why would this be? Seeing as they saw themselves as "Flurry of Dancing Flames", "Key of Destiny" and "Whirlwind Lancer", I doubt they chose the weapons to represent themselves. Rather, it's the Organization that chose to use their weapons to identify them. And about Zexion not having a weapon, Nomura said if they weren't making FM+, he'd have come right out and said Zexion's weapon was a Lexicon, but he didn't, because he didn't want to spoil the game for anyone.

S'ok. Just, during a debate, you should point out why you believe what you believe. Otherwise, people won't hesitate to rip your theory to shreds. A heads up for the future. d(^_^)b

Just my 99 cents.

EDIT - Way to post right before me ICSP. <.<;

I pointed out why already. Ultima is, and always will be, the only exception to the rule. There's a reason why only Moogles can read the recipies yannow.

... =.=; Now I'm confused. The absent silhouette which, are their weapons, can assume their wielder's form and structure. Seems like Keyblades aren't the only weapons based on memories.

While true, a little knowledge of how tracks work would reveal that pulling the lever half-way would result in the trolley getting stuck in the fork, thus killing no-one. It's one thing to choose one of two obvious choices, but when more effort is put into looking past the obvious, the results can be quite unexpected.

Again, you're being bound by the obvious. Using the dynamite would cause a cave-in, killing everyone anyway. A simple drop-kick to the fat man's persona would be enough to liberate him with naught but a few scratches and a bruised behind... And again, everyone survives.

There's a difference between acting, and acting hastily. Why take comfort in the death of one person when no-one had to die?

Frankly dood, you scare me. o_O

... Okay, now I agree it was out of desperation.

... Besides the obvious problem with that statement, I don't see how OoT was referred to in a game that was released before it was even conceived. o_O

... Hmm... Could it be possible that Sora's memories of Kairi and Riku were strong enough to keep Oblivion and Oathkeeper unchanged? I mean, if you think about it, even Ultima Weapon changed.

Best theory ever. Only one that explains why Oathkeeper is so bloody weak. But... It assumes that all keyblades represent a person. Just who exactly- o_O Holy crap. They can all represent a person besides Ultima.
... D: Maybe that's why Nomura said that Oblivion and Oathkeeper were Sora's memories of Kairi and Riku. He was hinting at the nature of keyblades. Good show, dood.

Officially revised into the "Any old trinket that bears strong memories of a person dear to the keyblade wielder" theory.

I'm going to bite my tongue on that last part until I see Terra Dual-Wield.

... Sorry to say this, but, if that were true, then Oathkeeper and Oblivion's stats would be reversed.

... Exactly. So I guess it's back to the "Any old trinket that holds dear memories for the keyblade wielder" theory then.

... That's the thing. The only techniques that Roxas uses that are different from Sora's are his Nobody based powers. And besides, if he didn't want to fade into Oblivion, why not just reject DiZ's offer, and walk right back out of the Virtual Twilight Town alongside Axel? And while I agree he fought in a berserk rage, I don't agree that it was out of desperation. He wanted answers. Answers he could only obtain by fighting Sora one last time.

... I'll let this rest for now... War is war, and as such, has an ambiguous meaning. We'll have to wait to see what Nomura means by it.

... Kairi's Good Luck Charm. The keychain you always have. Oathkeeper.
... and the black version of Sora's pendant, the Dark Crown. The keychain you never have. Oblivion.

... Exactly. It CAN be any old trinket. Though the number of memories seems to affect the strength *points at Sweet Memories*, as long as Sora can recall some sort of... familiarity from it, he can turn it into a keyblade. Ultima Weapon and Fenrir flabbergast me with regards to this though...

No. Roxas's weapons are bona-fide Keyblades. Riku did attest to this upon fighting Roxas himself. And party members disappearing is the result of Sora driving, not specifically Dual-Wielding. *Points at Wisdom Form.*

... List? Oh. XD