http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y196/tigheizkool/ghfghgf.png That the pic you were looking for, iwantedtoexplode? As for 'dis-soul,' it is probable that these are the 'third enemies' that have been speculated. And, is it really all that surprising? The trinity (an interconnected, symbolic threesome) is a recurring motif in Kingdom Hearts, and is most recognizable with Sora, Donald, and Goofy. This 'enemy Trinity'...could these parts perhaps make a person? Heartless are the darkness in the heart, Nobodies are the body and soul, and 'Dis-Souls' are...what? The light of the heart, perhaps? http://forums.khinsider.com/kingdom-hearts-ii-final-mix/85069-dis-soul-renoath-etc.html This person on KH Insider brings up something that he found on the Japanese side of the Internet. He makes note of three 'groups': the Renoath, Tearsh, and Menas. ALL of these can be rearranged into something (Renoath = Another, Tearsh = hearts, Menas = names). And can't Xehanort be rearranged as 'Another' (minus the x)? It also appears that 'dis-soul' are what happens when a Nobody is defeated...but their corresponding Heartless is NOT. It's even less than a Nobody apparently...just a body now.
That symbol is not official (sorry to burst your bubbles). The third symbol (which resembles an 'm' sort of) can be seen after you pick up Namine's sketches and return to the room leading to DiZ's computer (Roxas draws it on the table and his hand sort of obscures our view). I own the strategy guide too and all it's used for is to show non-Heartless and Nobody baddies. :l And the knights all have 'm' like symbols on their chests too, may I remind you.
You did post that, Seek? I'm so sorry :( I thought that it was an original line of thought (I haven't been on here in a while). So once again, I apologize.
Hey everyone, just thought I'd pop in here and let you guys think of what I found here: http://s5.photobucket.com/albums/y196/tigheizkool/?action=view¤t=Picture1-8.png Check out the symbol emblazoned on the knight's chest plate; look familiar? It should. http://s5.photobucket.com/albums/y196/tigheizkool/?action=view¤t=ghfghgf.png Look at the third symbol on there, doesn't it look similar to the symbol on the knights' chest?
Hey everyone, I'd just like to bring some stuff to your attention: 1) Did you know that the mysterious figures we see (the one who has the Heartless emblem), it seems there are TWO of them! http://s5.photobucket.com/albums/y196/tigheizkool/?action=view¤t=Picture1-5.png http://s5.photobucket.com/albums/y196/tigheizkool/?action=view¤t=file-1.jpg One's chest is black, the other's red. Also, notice the kid in this picture...doesn't he look like Xehanort, a little? Perhaps this is Xehanort, before he came to Radiant Garden/Hollow Bastion... http://s5.photobucket.com/albums/y196/tigheizkool/?action=view¤t=file.jpg
E.S. stands for the boss that's (supposedly) tougher than Sephiroth, it's one of the armored knights. E.S. is the name that Nomura's given him (E.S. = 'Enigmatic Soldier). :)
I'm not sure how much I'd like it if the knights were to become new characters (unless they become more than just people in the background), but I don't really know what they're like, so I'll remain neutral until I see the final product. As for your e-mail/chat group suggestion, if you want, I can PM you and give you my e-mail address if you wish. And last statement, I'm not totally sure, but isn't there a rule that states that threads (unless in the spam section) aren't supposed to deviate from the original topic? Just making sure. Thanks for the link, that video is making me scratch my head even more now at what this all might mean, but that's Nomura's way, so I suppose I can't complain too much. :p As for your idea, it might be possible, I mean, this might also be a reason that Roxas was brain-washed of sorts (i.e. he loses his memories and his 'stored' in Twilight Town), to prevent him from possibly seeking out the knights, perhaps? As for Roxas attacking Sora, this might be both right and wrong. I think (remember, this is just personally) that Roxas was just testing how strong Sora was, there wasn't really any bigger rhyme or reason to it. But that's just my two cents on it.
I don't think that Xehanort can have a Chaser, and here's why: the definition of a Chaser isn't like something from the body. A chaser, by definition, is one who carves intricacies into keys (i.e. designs and shapes). So perhaps 'Chasers' are the ones who craft the appearance of Keyblades.
Hm...after reading what you've had to save, Zeftnon, I'd like to see that video, do you know of the link to it on YouTube? This actually makes me think of the knights now as some sort of...law enforcement. Perhaps they're trying to keep the ability of wielding Keyblades to those who're few? You know...that's a very well thought out explanation. :D And I think you actually may be onto something here. I'll have to rewatch the video though, because I can't recall the knights have 'm's on their chest plates. And Roxas' idea is probably right, I mean, if everyone on different worlds had Keyblades, then no one would be in any real danger (okay, that'd put Sora out of a job, but I guess you've got to crack a few eggs to make an omelet, right?) Hm...okay, then that differs from my idea few posts above, but I have to interject something: the new secret boss we fight in KH2: FM+ is not colored the same way as the first knight we see. So think you might be a little off base here. I actually like it, and I think that it's probable that this will happen in the next game, though the extent of your guesses is unknown to me, I feel that this will probably be proven right. You know...I just had a recent thought: if this is indeed in the past, then couldn't we think that perhaps Sora, Riku, and Kairi are just reincarnations of the knights we see? We all know that hearts return to Kingdom Hearts (even the ones Heartless steal), so I think that some element of reincarnation must be involved, I believe it was even stated before that Kingdom Hearts is a akin to a recycling plant, or something. This might also be true too, and would make some sense, at least on the surface. But I think that Keyblades probably 'disappear' if their owners choose them to. Then again, if you're right, we don't know how far into the future this is. 50 years? 100 years? 700? It's impossible to tell. So the gang, as we know them, could actually be dead around this time. And, like I said before, maybe this 'Sunset Horizons' (I believe this is what it's being called right now), is where the Keyblades will all come to rest, at some point or another.
You know...if the secret movie takes place in the past, then this could possibly mean that the man we see in that picture could be something like Ansem the Wise's ancestor, or something. I mean, the Ansem we know in the 'now' was interested in Heartless, and this guy seems to have a Heartless-type creature with him (I'm not calling it a Heartless, check out its helmet, that seems very Nobody-like to me...)
SEVENTEEN bars?! Are you *sure* Axel's#1FanGirl? I can't really make them out that well. As for the knight's coloration...does anyone else notice that it doesn't resemble any of other knights in the secret movie? Just thought I'd bring that up.
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Perhaps...and for all I know, I'm wrong about all of this. But, however, this does not exactly address WHY the knights are there; nor does your statement answer as to why they look battle worn (if this is indeed in the past) and why they look brand new in the first Kingdom Hearts.
Well...I'm not actually sure on this part. But, if you ask me, I think that perhaps it might be that there might be parts where you 'visit' different time periods, besides the present. But that's just a guess.
I'm actually surprised no one has this on their pet peeves list: Fergalicious by Fergie. 'Nuff said.
I've never actually read the series, but it sounds highly interesting, I'll be sure to try to get it from a bookstore or some place else! :) Yeah, that's what I was trying to allude to: that it's highly probable that there are other, unknown Keyblade-wielders out there (could this even be what King Mickey's letter was about...? The discovery of another wielder? Perhaps this is even one of our knights) Hm...that's a very good point, though I'm not totally sure I'd accept that. For one, just because we don't see them at the same time, doesn't mean that they don't individually own one. Roxas could wield two, so I think it would stand to reason that Riku could also. I'm not sure though, I could be wrong. Thanks for contributing to the thread! I enjoyed giving your thoughts responses, let me know what you think. Hm...you know, I'd like to add something to this, perhaps you agree with me. Okay, let's say I'm wrong and that they aren't from different time periods, but, like you said, different factions from when they were in the war. Let's look at it, alluding to my time period theory. From Kairi's grandmother's story, it would stand to reason that it seemed extremely prosperous, and, well more aligned with the 'light' than the present, this could represent a group perhaps that wants to support a peace between realms. Now moving onto the 'present,' the present seems to be in constant flux over what side will dominate the other; there seems to be no end, and one could call this 'neutrality' or perhaps, more accurately, 'twilight' (a sort of in-between state between good and evil). The one of the knights of the group could be fighting to try to keep peace between the other two sides. And lastly, the 'future.' Let's assume this: the darkness eventually wins at some point, either due to inexperienced Keyblade-wielders against the Nobodies and Heartless, or by something else, maybe no new wielders appeared; this helps the universe fall into disarray. The third participants may be fighting for a constant war, a never ending one, with good. I think I actually believe that it's somewhere within Kingdom Hearts itself, look at it this way. We all know that hearts originate from within it, and if a heart is good, a Keyblade is awarded to the person for their righteousness. Though it's not really clear what happens when the wielder dies. So...is this the place where they go? A sort of mass grave where all the weapons are kept, and will be? Just some food for thought. Also, I think to think that 'birth by sleep' is perhaps a literal statement, not an allusion to something. I believe that this could actually refer to the rifts between worlds, or perhaps the ending movie is set even before the worlds split off from one another. Thanks, Zeron Strife. :) And you actually got me thinking about something: is it possible that this is what's happening during Sora's slumber after CoM? Kingdom Hearts '3' could actually be set after Chain of Memories, but before Kingdom Hearts II, maybe the knights have been brought together to try to save the worlds from falling into war (this does not explain the 'Keyblade' part of the title though), since Sora was incapacitated. Hrm...I'm not exactly sure what that has to do with it though. Unless that means that Sora is going to stay with Kairi on Destiny Islands?
Render- Character-wise? Midna from Legend of Zelda: Twilight Princess and Ryoko from Tenchi Muyo! Colour - Not really sure, whatever I suppose Matching Avi - No thank you Text - My name in blue and white Size - Default Sorry about not being able to supply the renders. But there aren't very many good ones that I could find, I don't really care when it's finished, so take your time. :)
Well...not to sound bigoted, but I seriously don't think the world will end in 2012. I mean, wasn't everyone saying that 2000 would be the end? That never happened. Humanity is a species that knows it will die one day, I think that's why we like to predict our doom so much (I don't believe we could actually end the world along with ourselves).
Those are some very interesting thoughts, Shadow Tactician! :) I'll try to give you my thoughts on the subjects. "Xemnas Regaining His Memories": It would probably stand to reason that, yes, Xemnas got all of his memories back at that point in time, and the question is: what does this say for other Nobodies, is it possible that they get their memories of being human back too? "The Keyblade wasn't/isn't a rare weapon": This is a spot-on observation, since we did see all of those Keyblades. So if this place is in the past/future, this might even further support the idea that it's somewhere beyond time. So I suppose we're to assume that it isn't common in the 'now,' the present, but it will/was once a upon a time. "Where did Riku get the extra Keyblade?": You know, I always just sort of figured that he could have two, like Sora can, but I'm interested to see what your opinion on the subject is. "Is DiZ/Ansem dead?": You know...I don't think I have an answer for this one, I seriously never considered it until you brought it up. Who knows? You might be right, DiZ/Ansem might be still alive somewhere, albeit as something...different perhaps? If the Heartless are the heart, and the Nobodies are the body and soul, where does that the leave the mind? Thanks, Twilight'sBringing. :) I actually couldn't read the text either, so you and I are in the same boat. And I'd like to hear about your time symbolism theory! Sounds pretty interesting (though I'm not sure you can post a totally separate idea in a 'main' thread, if not, could you PM me?)
