Birth by Sleep Ven IS an Unbirth

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  1. Noise For Love and Justice

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    Ven IS an Heartless

    ok so i just watched this vid
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1us0KFcrCYM
    for kicks...and i listend to the part at 2:23

    and if you think of Master Xehanort is talking to his aprentice...and if you believe that Master Xehanort took Vens heart (at 1:15) then hes telling his apprentice that those who have "submitted to darkness are not fit to weild the keyblade"

    maybe thats why Vens Keyblade in the secret ending breaks...cause its not real...and thats why Terra is trying to save Ven, cause hes becoming a Heartless, and THATS! why Ven wants Terra to erase him.


    Maybe Terra doesnt turn into the Xehanort we know and hate....

    Maybe its Ven, who takes the shape (somewhat) like Terra...(But that last sentence is totaly an idea)

    but im like 75% sure im right on this...giving the information.

    basically this game is going to be Epic
     
  2. Radiowave ITSA PIIINCH

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    Yeah but in the gameplay vids of Ven Ven kills unbirths...why would he weild the very weapon that kills his kind? And Ven being an unbirth wouldnt explain why Roxas looks like him if Roxas himself is a nobody...

    I can't be sure Ven is a human, but I doubt hes an unbirth...

    Although I do agree this game is going to be epic, lol.
     
  3. Noise For Love and Justice

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    sorry, i ment to say hes a Heartless
     
  4. Radiowave ITSA PIIINCH

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    I think I could agree with that...but its one of those just wait and see sort of things. I have absolutely no idea what the story could be, lol.
     
  5. Noise For Love and Justice

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    i know!...but i think thats one of the good things about KH you really never know what they're going to throw at you...
     
  6. Boy Wonder Dark Phoenix in Training

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    It's Aqua that Ven tells to erase him, look carefull at the shadow, it doesnt even look like Terra.

    And I think this game has to do with memories
    "erase me" why use the word erase instead of destroy or kill?
    And the emblem for Unbirths resemble the Castle Oblivion cards.
    but that's just a guess.
     
  7. Vaxing Twilight Town Denizen

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    sorry I just don't see the glue that holds the theory together. I can't say for sure if Ven is human or not but he is definately "special"
     
  8. Noise For Love and Justice

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    im pretty sure its Terra...but whatever the point is he wants to be erased

    its disney...they dont say kill

    what does this have to do with my thread
     
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    This can't be the case because Nomura (or whatever the creator's name is) already stated that Heartless will not play a role in this.

    Besides, If i'm not mistaken, the existence of heartless was discovered one year after the events of BBS
     
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    maybe an unbirth are those born of weak souls? if a nobodie is that of a strong soul... wait would that be a heartless? i dont remember Dx
     
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    It's Aqua, i'm 100% sure. I even read somewhere it was her, not sure where though.

    Well, they should have come up with a better word. Erase sounds out of place. That's why I believe it.

    and the Emblem thing I thought I put more in my post, I believe Unbirths have something to do with memories because of that. It has nothing to do with this thread but still..


    It's a Heartless. If they have a strong soul, they become a Heartless AND a Nobody
     
  12. Defame King's Apprentice

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    We all have opinions.
    You could think that, but then Nomura can just trick us all and have us thinking something completly different.
     
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    Hey noise old friend sorry i haven't replied to your theories lately.
    I think that you might have a point with the heartless thing there's one thing thats in your favour, people have the theory that a keyblade is formed from the persons heart.Xehanort took vens heart and as he plummeted the keyblade shattered because it's master no longer had the heart to wield it. Without the heart the keyblade loses all of it's power.
     
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    The main things we known about ven are that
    A) He has some relation to sora/roxas
    B) He's special...in some way.

    Using this as a basis, is it possible to say that at least Ven is a keyblade-er who has "lost his light" per say, b/c as Xehanort says "you're beginning to lose it" or something along those lines, then proceeds to talk about eliminating him b/c he's darkness and stuff, so I believe for the time being that Ven is simply a fallen keyblade wielder, and maybe his power is passed on later to Sora? I don't yet know, also there is that scene where Terra sees riku and sora on the beach, I don't know how much significance it has though.
     
  15. Noise For Love and Justice

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    Daxma! i see you have changed your avi and sig :0

    lol

    and yes, i do believe he is a Heartless, it just fits the information we have gotten thus far on BBS...however how Roxas looks like Ven is a mystery still
     
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    How could he become one if Heartless didn't exist?

    He asked Aqua not Terra


    True that.
     
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    The only thing I want to say is that everything can exist even if it is not specifically discovered.
     
  18. WilliamTheWise Hollow Bastion Committee

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    Nope if you look at the shadow closely, It's got Aqua's shape.
    http://comenzarjuego.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/06/Ven_BirthBySleep2.jpg

    http://images1.fanpop.com/images/ph...dom-hearts-birth-by-sleep-2016232-657-373.jpg

    Look you can see her little arm sleeve things clearly. And what looks to be the shadow of one of her breasts that extends beyond her arm.
    If it was Terra we'd see his hair sticking up and that shadow on the beach
    http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1311/1443658341_b94bad5b56_o.jpg

    Why can't we post pics?

    Unless it was created. Then it cannot exist before that point.
     
  19. Boy Wonder Dark Phoenix in Training

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    Emblem Heartless were created.
    Pureblood Heartless have existed in the Realm of Darkness.
    Xehanort DISCOVERED them and named them Heartless
    HE then made a machine to reproduce the effect of a heart going to darkness without using a heart and Emblem Heartless were created.
     
  20. Toshi Banned

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    I thought it was Terra because in the video it describes Ven and Terra as friends and gives more emphasis on that, than Ven and Aqua's friendship.