A message to all members to chat on.

Hey all. I'm going to post here something serious, though yes, I realize once again this is the Spam Zone. Most of you check out this area more than any other so it's fair game at the moment. Please read this and I hope we all will try to quell the drama and tensions that are going on together.

Lately, few people seem to be following the rules and yet some members are saying the staff is doing nothing about trolls and troublemakers. Maybe if I explain a bit more in detail on the rules, it will help.

We want to stop troublemakers and trolls when they start things up. If you see threads that are suspicious or flaming, receive nasty messages in PM or pictures etc, PLEASE report the thread and/or forward that PM to a staff member so that we can help you asap. If you can help it, please do not draw others in or send a PM to someone else who will hop in and 'defend your honor'. By doing so, you involve other members who can only in their power PM the person back with threatening and flaming messages. This has never helped the situation and it makes it hard for staff members to decide what to fairly do about the scenario because some of the flaming messages or posts in threads by members are even worse than what the original person did.

Backseat modding is not helpful either. Some members will harass others and tell them where to put threads, say their ideas are stupid, or they will accuse someone who shows up as being another member that was formerly banned. This -seriously- impedes progress of staff helping members, both new and old. You may not think so, but we are not half as harsh over small things and I believe personally all members deserve some respect. If you suspect someone of being a former banned member, please follow the rules and PM a staff member and we -will- check into it. You don't have to tell others so they react because again, all backseat mods can do is flame others and challenge them. Do you want honest help or just to let some people here go to town on someone that could potentially be just a new person that is looking for somewhere to chat? I'm really kind of tired of backseat modding and will start being more aggressive towards it as I see it. It's not right for some members to feel they are above others when the staff ourselves do not consider ourselves to be so and yet we have the ability to do more than just attack people with lameness.

The last thing that bugs me is when members say the staff members are not doing their jobs. When backseat mods take over things because we are not even told of the situation, we have to fix up a mess that is 10x larger than it was to begin with. We want your help but the rules were designed to make it so there are not too many chiefs around so that others feel humiliated or afraid to even speak out without fear that someone is going to say something rotten to them every other day because that person doesn't 'like' them. Everyone currently on staff really tries to work with you. We aren't trying to be above you. The rules in place are there for us -all- to follow and if staff breaks those rules, we are also in some deep doodoo.

Basically, please have consideration for each other and realize that this is not school and we don't need gangs, groups (other than those forum groups we get now) and cliques here. If you suspect something is off about a member, PM a staff member and be assured we will check into things and watch things. Think about it this way. What if someone is not as bad as you -think- he/she is? There are some members here who can easily attest to when they joined and they were treated poorly because of a couple innocent blunders. I don't think all new people should feel so unwelcome here or that they need an 'initiation' period before others get off their backs. Are some people that come here in the beginning rotten? Yes. However, to make sure this is the case, please try working with us and PM us instead of challenging the people outright. Sometimes the challenges -make- people do rotten things because they have been incited to do them. Consider this.

I hope you will all take the time to read it though I know it's a drag to do so. I want us to all be understood and to see what's going on truly because I think KH-Vids has had enough drama to last us a while. You are all awesome to me and even if some members aren't crazy about me, I really can't think of a single person here that I cannot stand or would not try to help out if you are in a fix. Let's be cool here and try to work together because staff isn't on an ego trip and nor are many members. We don't need this fighting and pettiness to bring us all down. We can all make this site a great place to be or we can rip into each other at every opportunity and make others who don't want to deal with it leave. I'm not so into the second option and hope others aren't either.

 

That was godly.

 

Wait, what? There are trolls and troublemakers here?

Exactly. But wouldn't it be helpful if members pointed out small things so that mods wouldn't have to bother? I'm talking about a member saying to a newbie: "Please don't double post, use the Edit button for that." and things like that. I don't really see the error in that, if done properly.
What I meant to express is that not all cases of backseat or "wannabe" modding is necessarily bad.

I feel a *wink, wink* coming my way here (starburst trick thread). And I see your point. It's just that I dislike sugar coating.

Can't prevent that. It's a natural course of action in many forums and I really don't think it can be stopped.

That's a given. :p Nah, just kidding. It was worth reading it. And I agree with what you say.

 

lol u tk him 2 da bar|?

 

I think a round of applause is in order.

This forum is in a sad state. And it's not the staff's fault. It's the members' faults for not being in communication with the staff. Then when something goes wrong we all jump down the staff's throats with 'Y DIDN'T JOO DO NOTHING?!!!1'

BECAUSE...the staff have LIVES outside of this forum. None of them can be at the computer 24/7/365. They have jobs, they have friends, they have families. So when staff is not on, we shouldn't be making 'lulz no staffz r on' threads. What we should be doing is looking for these troll threads and NOT posting in them. As well as PMing an offline staff member the thread title and the user who posted it. They WILL get to them when they get to the forum.

We mustn't feed the trolls and then blame the staff when things get bad for our own doings.

And yes, it is inevitable that cliques will form. We are human beings and this is an ingrained part of our very being. But...we must at least give new members a chance at being part of our collective. If they **** up, that's their problem. But members can be educated and trained. I can think of several instances where a member came here absolutely horrible and then changed his ways based on the responses of their peers.

And don't think I don't see this things happening. I may be preoccupied with another forum, but I do look in on this one from time to time, and half the time I wish I hadn't. Why? Because of all the stupid goddamn ****ing drama I see here. And not all of it is trolls.

So please, can we ****ing communicate with the staff before we jump down their throats accusing them of not doing their jobs? We can't expect them to act if they don't know what to act on.

 

Geez moments like these make me wonder why LF ain't staff yet.

 

LF if I was a lesbian I would ask you to marry me ;D

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You know someones gonna get banned and then someones gonna ***** about it and then this thread will be repeated by a different person using different words.

Seriously, I feel like im in a ****ing time loop.

 

seriously.

you can really see this kind of activity growing in the spamzone.

people lets try to be cooperative, as much as fun flaming can be, lets try and work things out.

 

I bet Takano is behind this B|​

 

Knew it was coming.

 

I agree, Repliku. :3 Thanks for taking the time to type this all out.

I speak for myself, none of the other staff members, but honestly, I don't care if you tell someone in a friendly manner that there's an edit button, or something else along those lines. but when it's to the point where some posts "this should be locked," or "this should be moved," or "this is against the rules" (or something along those lines) and doesn't say anything else, it's just ridiculous. Why take the time to post that instead of informing a staff member?

I'm not exactly a great example of this, but yeah -- guys, we can't scan the entire forum, and neither can you. we're human. we get on when we can't, when we're not it's not a huge deal. we're like anyone else. it helps when you bring things to our attention, and it's just a waste of time to complain about us doing our jobs. if you don't like it, leave. think you can do a better job? apply for staff. if you don't make it, then maybe you need to step it up, and in the meantime, gather a little bit of respect for us. I come home and check the forum, THEN I do my homework. I put this forum before a lot of things that I know I shouldn't, but it's because I want to do my job as well as I know how. if you have a problem with it, moping around and posting topics about the "unfair" staff won't do ****.'
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**** you caps filter **** you -_-​

 

Wow, good for you, this isnt an accomplishment thread so stop sucking up. Also, you used to backseat mod like crazy.

 

I have no problem at all, nor do I think any staff member does, of members kindly pointing out 'hey, that post doesn't go here, ask a mod to move it or I can if you want'. Or 'double posting isn't allowed so you might want to PM a member of staff to fix that if you can't'. Hell, I've done it. That's not really backseat modding. Informing someone that he/she posted in the wrong area or something is not a bad thing.

What I'm referring to is when people respond like this: "Hey idiot, didn't you read the rules? the post doesn't go here.' or 'that was really rude. Who do you think you are?' etc. Basically, if something is wrong, PM'ing a staff member will reduce others from getting caught in what we have to clean up later. I'm basically tired of seeing others who do something minor wrong getting harassed or having to deal with rudeness by some members who feel we aren't 'harsh' enough or around. I know for a fact, most of us are around daily and for several hours a day. PM those of us you see if you can.

There is a way to be blunt and not sugarcoat. I do not like 'sugarcoating' either and I know I am usually straight out with issues but I do try to take into consideration what the other person may take from what I say. My suggestion is that if you feel you are going to be 'brutal' to someone, best PM a staff member to let them deal with the person. If you feel you can just explain to someone that something they are doing is wrong without being harsh, then I don't see a problem with helping others get things straight. You may still want to PM a staff member to get one of our butts over there to fix a problem such as closing or moving a thread or dealing with someone who is being trollish in nature. You should feel free to do so. We need and want to know to keep the forums straight.

You are right. I cannot nor can anyone else prevent cliques or groups and I don't really dislike them. We all make friends and have similarities more to some people than others. My point I suppose is that whether or not they exist, I would just appreciate if people who aren't in some of these groups are not mistreated straight off. They sometimes get prejudged as n00bs and they are simply newbies. We all find those sorts of people that do rotten things. If we work together we can deal with them and also find out who is not going to.

 

Bumped because everyone needs to read this. xD
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I have a vision...call it brown-nosing or whatever, but in the near future I see Repliku in the bold-n'-blue.

But to further the discussion I agree with what you've written. Even though this is the internet, let alone the spamzone, its good to see someone try to do the best they can to make things at least satisfactory.

 

So what crystal ball are you two looking into where you see this happening?