Assange Rips Government Friendly Facebook, Google

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  1. Kubo Kingdom Keeper

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    It's true, it's just that now someone popular who knows about those stuff appeared and said it.
     
  2. Misty gimme kiss

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    I think Jullian Assange is just too paranoid for his own good. Facebook, yes, does have a lot more personal info than people should frankly not be sharing, but it's of their own doing. If you don't want to have that stuff be stored in a database, or have other people see it, don't go on Facebook.

    Facebook isn't doing anything nefarious by storing the information, either. Every website you use stores information about you, unless the website (or you) go to lengths to prevent that. KHV can even be an example of this. We have access to IP addresses, and with them, I could technically search and find your general location. Combined with information that people post about themselves, if someone had access to this stuff, they could find you if they were smart.

    ... I know that makes me sound creepy but I swear I'm not like that, haha.

    It's like how he was all "the US government is awful, everyone is corrupt!" but the majority of things leaked on WikiLeaks so far actually have been turning out in our favor.
     
  3. P Banned

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    Moderators can, and even then, only if I'm not using a proxy. The data gathered by KHV is incidental, not intentional. Facebook's entire purpose is to gather and store data about people, making it vastly different from sites like this. Also, Assange is alleging that Facebook has a built-in interface for US intelligence organisations to use at a moment's notice, while as far as I'm aware, this site has nothing with that specific intent in mind.

    That said, Facebook has denied his claims, and all things considered, it seems as though Assange is just shooting himself in the foot, as he's criticising his supporters with questionable knowledge.
     
  4. Peace and War Bianca, you minx!

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    There's nothing wrong with Facebook storing information sice that's what you agreed on in the terms and conditions when joining, if people did bother to actually read it, however this is kept in the privacy of its company and not public information. It's only public information to those you allow to see it. What Assanage is saying is that the US is using technology in order to breach that privacy and take it for their own means without you being aware or your consent being given. Now that is illegal. So if his statement is true then the government (once again) are breaking its own laws.

    Correct me if i'm wrong but not only is what you're proposing to do (find my address through the abuse of your power) not only creepy but also illegal and corrupt? Not that i'm saying you would do that, but if it did happen thats an invasion of my personal privacy by using digital software to effectively hack me, which again is against the law I believe. Just because we can do something doesn't mean we should. Just because we can murder any one we want to doesn't mean we should, nor if anyone doesn't want to tell us about where they live then you shouldn't attempt to find out underhandidly. It's why we have laws, because we want to protect people for those who wish to harm us in some way.

    Wikileaks is all about the freedom of information of those who wish to keep secrets about potentialy public matters, it's why their main target has been the government, we invest in it and trust in them to serve our best interests and when they try to cover up their dirty little secrets Wikileaks attempted to make them public since everyone deserved to know what was going on in the world. Most of it wasn't a surprise or harmful, but it was instead helpful and informative for the general population that deserved to know the truth. Wikileaks did what governments should have done in the first place by informing public of its operations.
     
  5. Misty gimme kiss

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    Oh I have nothing wrong with WikiLeaks at all, I have actually grown more in favor of it, but Assange bothers me. Right now this just seems like a ridiculous, out of nowhere accusation that has no proof.

    And I don't think that tracking someone's IP address is really illegal like that, at least not in New York, so long as I don't disturb you in anyway. I could be wrong, though. It's not really hacking either, just getting an idea of your general location.
     
  6. Daxa~ #stalker

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    Great here comes my paranoia :3
    But about the whole Facebook thing,its peoples choice if they want to put up stuff about themselves,and yes,I think its pretty dodgy the way anyone in the world could find you...
    I guess its good for bringing people together?
     
  7. SirFred131 Merlin's Housekeeper

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    why does this guy act like it's bad if the Government knows about you? Unless you're doing something illegal, they can't really do much to you, and have little incentive to, and it's not like the government doesn't already know where all of it's citizens are, and their names and such.
     
  8. Peace and War Bianca, you minx!

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    The most dangerous thing someone can have is knowledge. The more someone knows about you the more they can use it against you and restrict you, hurt you, turn your worst fears against you, take what you love away and destroy it. The most ethe government knows about you the more they can control you, and that's not some crazy opinion, history has proven that knowledge of someone's own people makes them more easily manipulated, Hitler controlled the entire German country through the use of fear of losing their families and life and would reward them with what they wanted the most.

    Worst of all is that if it's true it could allow the obtaining of knowledge of foreign users of Facebook which is illegal in so many ways and countries that effectively the US government is using SIGINT spy technology. Very professional and high tech. If it's true.
     
  9. Technic☆Kitty Hmm

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    Don't worry I am paranoid too, in fact I used the minimum amount of identification on Facebook . . . haven't even posted a picture. Facebook, Myspace, Twitter, are all "spy-machines" they just don't use the info like what was claimed. If someone could hack or even get a job working for one of these then information could be used, but that always raised the timeless advice, be careful what you post. I don't use credit cards on any website, and I don't use my real name for most. Stupid Facebook knew I was lying when I tried to use my stage name though. Anyway, bottom line . . . Is Facebook a danger? Yes. Can I prevent this danger? Yes. Can I prevent ever facing a danger like this? No, you will more than likely at one point in your life be faced with identity theft (not meant to scare you but to prepare you)