Do you believe in ghosts?

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  1. NYAN CAT =^_^= Destiny Islands Resident

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    Now whether God is real or not is based on religion. Not whether or not you have proof or not.
     
  2. jafar custom title

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    Yes it is. Proof is proof. If there is no proof of existence, then he surely cannot exist. Much is the same for ghosts, demons, and other paranormal garbage.
     
  3. Jiηx You're such a loser.

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    Stick to the topic guys, now personally I don't believe in ghosts, I like to think if there's a plane of existence after life, people wouldn't want to spend it bugging people they used to know, rather exploring what they're given.

    I've encountered no situations or phenomenons that I deem aren't explainable by science or just as something science strives to explain, so my views of paranormal is grounded.

    Seeing is believing they say, and I aint seeing.
     
  4. NYAN CAT =^_^= Destiny Islands Resident

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    Yes and there have been many, many claims and evidence that all of the above are likely true.
    Whether God or ghosts are real is your opinion and thus, another person has their opinion.
    Its all based on what people believe in. Not proof or evidence.
    Although evidence is highly appreciated.


    Sorry for being off topic, I didnt get a chance to read this page.
     
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    An opinion is one thing, evidence is another. A person can say that pigs can fly. It doesn't make it true.
     
  6. Britishism Gummi Ship Junkie

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    Now, this is just silly. Evidence is all-important. Opinion isn't always fact. It can be fact. Evidence is always a fact, because seeing is indisputably believing.

    By the way, ghosts don't likely exist. People scare easy, and stories have a way of traveling. Ghost hunting shows are further proof of how silly ghosts are. Whether you think they do or not, saying things like "ghostly activity confirmed" or "ghosts sighted" is bad writing.
     
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    The burden of proof lies on anyone making an extraordinary claim, sure (and the more extraordinary his claim is the more extraordinary his proofs need to be), however an absence of proof isn' t proof that the claim is wrong. Logically an absence of proof should lead you to reject a claim, not to refute it. It' s like in a tribunal : if there isn' t any proof that the accused is guilty then the jury' s position will be "not guilty", not "innocent".
     
  8. phoenixkh93 Gummi Ship Junkie

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    I think I must journey slightly off topic here to correct this 'scientific' way of thinking. Just because there is no evidence to prove something exists, it does not instantly prove the contrary, that it doesn't exist. If there is no way to test whether or not something is real, this does not automatically 'prove' that it is not real. All we can draw from this conclusion is simply that we do not have a way to test it. All it proves is that it can't be proven one way or the other. Now I understand your thinking, but by your logic, until we can state with 100% certainty that something is true we must say with 100% certainty that it is not true.

    This is incredibly unscientific. By this reasoning, until a couple of weeks ago, the Higgs Boson was completely non-existent until the very moment it was proved to exist, and before this moment was not a real thing. I think you'll find that most of the top scientists around the world did actually believe it existed even before the proof of it. They couldn't be sure, but just because they didn't have the evidence to prove it didn't mean it couldn't possibly exist.

    Maybe a better way of putting it would be 'in my opinion'.

    I personally am not sure one way or the other, and I doubt I ever will be until I experience something that convinces me incontrovertibly about the existence or non existence of ghosts. If anything happens during my stay at this supposedly haunted castle for a year, I promise I'll let you all know :)
     
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    This, more or less.

    I'm sorry to inform you, but science doesn't work that way. Part of the very definition of science is that it does not and will not ever work alongside the metaphysical. Those who try to use science to prove a god's existence will be wrong and those who try to use science to disprove that existence will be wrong. Every single time. It doesn't matter what you believe in, there is no such thing as truly knowing if a god exists or not. Asking for proof would be pointless because then you'd be smacking science(and logic) in the face by going against all the foundations that it is built upon.

    It takes just as much faith for an atheist to not believe in a god as it does for a theist to believe in one. Anyways, I really don't care if you don't believe in any god. Seriously, I don't. Just don't go about using science the wrong way. The only connection science will ever have with the metaphysical is the fact that it has no connection whatsoever. Logic is inconsequential in that area and science is founded on logic.

    I apologize if this post sounds defensive. Anyways...I guess I don't have anything else to add to the actual topic of this thread. >>
     
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    Well sure, but the minute you claim to have witnessed a ghost or a god those things cease to be metaphysical : if they can interact with reality in measurable ways then their existence is very much testable. In my experience when people speak about ghosts, gods and whatnot they rarely have purely metaphysical concepts in mind.

    I might or might not agree with that depending on your definition of faith/atheism. To me faith is the excuse people give when they can' t back up their beliefs/behavior logically, so someone who absolutely denies gods/ghosts/whatever' s existence without backing up his claim (a hard atheist) would indeed be appealing to faith.

    My own atheism stems from a practical approach rather than faith : things that are defined as metaphysical-transcendental-whatever are untestable, so I have absolutely no way to tell them apart from things that just don' t exist. Now here are my three options :

    - Treat them both the same way until they can be backed up by evidence (reject both, do not let them have any influence on my decision making process).

    - Believe them all until they are proven to be false. That includes the claim that you' re actually the care bear made of jelly who killed my dragon two centuries ago, which is but a drop in an infinite sea of unbacked/moronic claims. It is an impractical choice since it is the one that would lead me to believe in an infinity of false things, which would severely impede my decision making process.

    - Cherry-pick which claims I do or don' t want to believe in, which is inconsistent and would make my decision making process just as inconsistent. I can think of a few motives for a person to do that anyway, but personally I can' t think of a good one and don' t see the appeal.
     
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    Hello new here.

    And yes I do. I've seen a few slight creepy white shadows that look or could be related to ghosts. It's very possible.
     
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    ^ welcome! :D

    yes, because when i was 9 years old. i saw a ghost in my sister's room and i run away...
     
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    I do believe in ghosts. There was a time when my dog looked seriously pissed and was growling. I got up... and I saw a shadow move. It had a totally different body shape than my family members' shadow, so I kinda freaked a bit.
     
  14. OblivionKeeper4 Merlin's Housekeeper

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    i dont know whether to believe in life after death, is there an afterlife? is there a 'heaven'. i hope so. so i don't really know whether to belive in ghosts and afterlife
     
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    I do indeed believe in ghosts. Though b/c my mother is very religious I was brung up to never believe in such things. That once we die, we die and nothing else. But still I always believed that for some death wasn't the end. That some carried on even after death. All the non-hoax stories and pictures and that I myself have taken pics with strange stuff in the background (like those ghost orbs) have made me a believer. Might seem crazy to some, but hey, agree to disagree.
     
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    You're damn right that I believe in the paranormal. You don't watch porcelain dolls move by themselves and not believe in the haunting. There are just some incidents in the world that can't be explained by logic, no matter how hard people try. Most people play this up to whatever god they believe in, but I due it over to ghosts and other things because I don't believe in any sort of god.
     
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    I'm a rather big believer in ghosts. I actually do a lot of research about them as well. They're just really interesting to me for some reason. I have had a few paranormal experiences myself. But most were the mild things such as the hand on the back/shoulder.

    One of which was when I was at my grandmother's funeral (after everyone had left and they buried her) and I went to look at the other graves to see what they said. I have gone quite aways and I was around the really old and faded graves from the 1800s or so. I came to one of these fancy pillar like looking graves and it looked really old and I wanted to go see what it said but as soon as I took a step toward it, I felt extremely uneasy and started hesitating with every step I took. I couldn't even take another step toward it. My stomach began to churn the longer I just stood there staring at that grave. I don't know what it was but I swear it was almost like something was trying to keep me away from it.

    I told this to my friend (who is also a believer of ghosts) and he said that the older the death, the stronger the energy that the spirit has and whatever it was that was around the grave was possibly trying to keep me away for a reason or just because it didn't want me around.

    It may seem ridiculous to some people, I know, but that honestly got me a bit shaken up. Even thinking of it now makes me short of breathe.
     
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    Being religious and such, I do not believe in ghosts. I believe in angels and demons that can enter this world, but not ghosts.
     
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    Yeah I believe in them , in fact I had personal experiences with ghosts. For instances.I was almost possessed while I was asleep.
     
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    I'm always ready to believe in the paranormal