Gay Gene?

I originally quoted Bunterx, but it some how didn't process so I had to do it manually. And there it is.

 

You have my respect it takes a lot guts to say what you just said.
But no Homo DNA is not correct.
its the devil making you gay not DNA for example, every time I try to go to sleep or think about women, you know who try's to pop into my head with gay images? The devil. If God wasn't in my heart the devil would have persauded me was gay.

But if you believe you are gay i won't hate you for it, or judge you of it.

 

I think some people are born gay and others choose the life style. But either way, I accept gay people. I mean, hey! Half of my friends /are/ gays and lesbians and I treat them all with respect. They're not bad people. In fact, there some of the nicest people I know and usually end up being the truest friends.

If you are in need of a friend, feel free to leave me a message. I'm always eager to support gays.

 

aI respect gays and am alright with them, I thought I was gay once but no. A gay gene? I don't think so, I wasn't gay all my life- I'm not now

 

Some people say it is a development over time. While others believe that it is something you are born with. I can't really say. But my teacher agrees with that it is something you are born with, cause he always says that you don't wake up one day and say "Today I'm going to suck some p***s" and then you go back to being straight or you have been straght and then wake up saying that. The reason he says people aren't staright up on their sexual orientation is that they fear losing their friends or they are still hiding in the closet. The reason he holds down this belief is because his grandmother was lesbian but she wasn't straight up with this till his Grandfather died, and she revealed this at the funeral, ever since that her Grandmother has been like a psychiatrist or something like that for people who are homosexual. I, myself, don't know. I've known a few homosexual people here and there but I don't know their background enough to say that what my teacher is right, but hey who knows. If your homosexual that's cool with me.

 

I do not believe there is a 'gene' for being gay or straight. However, there are differences of hormonal balances in all people, and well, we all have different things we are attracted to or disgusted by.

I can't stand the smell of cooked peas and they make me want to barf. If I eat them, I will. I may or may not be allergic to them. It's never killed me when I have been forced to eat them, but it did make me have more of a violent reaction to them as I grew up. My family all, except for me found peas to be great. I think I'm not a mutant.

People are drawn to blondes, red heads, some people like chubby people, thin people, muscular people etc. I know people that are grossed out by fat so bad if someone is at all overweight they just couldn't go out with them. Is it their fault? I don't think so. It's a reaction and what is positively stimulating versus what makes a person say 'eww'.

Some people bite their fingernails and others find it nasty. Some people are all for a person who is working out in a gym and others are repulsed because they are sweaty and smell.

There's nothing wrong with being gay, straight or bi. I think it is stronger than just a 'preference' as some people say. I tried to describe above a couple examples to explain that it is more, but I just cannot see it being genetic. It is a good question to ask though, and if you can be happy as you are, don't be frustrated by it and say 'I didn't wish this' and 'I wish I liked girls'. It makes it sound like a curse. I'm straight and I know I have no interest for the same gender. I think the best way to describe this might be that it is an 'ingrained reaction' or stimulation.

 

A large part of me wants to believe it has some genetic influence, mostly because I find it impossible for my uncle to have turned out gay given the lifestyle he was raised in. My grandfather--who has already passed away--is probably the most homophobic person I have ever known, and being a man born from 1918 and raised with such shallow-ended principles of the differences of men and women, it's hard for me to understand how only one out of four sons became homosexual.

It's also because it's not like my uncle felt he chose his sexual preference. In fact, because of being afraid of his father, he forced himself to date women, be intimate with them, and try to have romantic relationships with them--all of which ended up in failure. He just couldn't seem to be romantically attracted to women the way he felt toward other men. The way he seemed to not want to accept what he was feeling, just makes me believe it has a large genetic/biological factor.

I won't use the above testimonial to call this 'gay gene' a fact, but it is surely something that has greatly founded my opinion on the matter.

 

I think after this post was set up, the debate should be closed... Any Mods around? XD. But I actually, totaly agree. I'm normally the first to fight to the death over my beliefs, but theirs nothing anyone can say against that. Unless they just ignant'. Lol.

I thought of an okay example to. I went over to a friends house, for a party, 'cuz Halo 2 had just been released (yeah, this was a while ago), I had kicked the **** out of everyone but one of 'em, and was currently vsing him. Almost everyone was cheering him on. The kid who's house we were at (I guess I won' say his real name) all of a sudden said "Hey, guys, check it out!"
I paused the game walked over, and saw that he was looking at lesbian pornography. Everyone crouded around and was pretty much drooling. I said "Cool." and walked away. Everyone immediately assumed I was a queer.

First, I'm not btw.
Second, it DID turn me on.
Third, I think pornography is wrong. Its just that I don't think it should be used as some sort of tool to help you "get a load off", nor do I find them [lesbians] THAT interesting. Most guys do.

I guess its all with the hormonal differences. Something might turn you on/off more than the next person.

Now, I heard someone who supported the gene thing say people just don't wake up one day and say I shall be a lesbian/gay guy (I said it nicer, I think).
I have a friend who chose to be a lesbian, 'cuz she thinks men are disgusting, tactless, and women are better in bed.

God, I hate debates... I end up having a headache for everyone that I join. 'Tiz fun though.

 

This debate is pretty much done, but I STILL wanna give my opinion x3

I do not believe that there is any 'gene' that causes you to be gay. Not in the history of my family was there ANYONE who has ever been gay or bi.
I changed that.
I'm bi, and at first I thought it was a phase, then i figured it to be genes until I found out that no one in my family had been 'that way'

So, no, I do not think that genetics have ANYTHING to do with it.

 

Yeah. I don't think so either.
Now I realize that just wouldn't make sense. The first ancient gays would have had to have a child with women if it was genetics.
*don't kill me for bringing this back up!!*

 

-I find it necessary to make another post here, my apologies for kicking a dead topic back up-

It's not so much as a "gay gene" but more like a difference in genetic coding where the brain secretes a different amount of a certain hormone in the brain that dictates sexuality. This is a hormone secreted in BOTH heterosexuals and homosexuals...however I believe I stated some time ago that the hormone in homosexuals is OPPOSITE in what would normally be secreted if they were heterosexual.

However, this is very much a theory still in the researching stage...regardless they have found that CORRELATION (not causation) in homosexuals.

Now, another contribution that in a way regards that homosexuality is solely reliant on DNA is not entirely true (in theory). The hormonal output of the brain and other organs that produce hormones is dependent on the early developmental stages on a child. (IE: A person who was constantly under great stress in their childhood tends to be slightly apathetic emotionally when they get older because their brain over-produced a certain hormone attributed with that emotional response.) But as stated early, it is merely theory and correlation. In time they may come to find a causation...but it is safe to say that homosexuality is typically NOT a voluntary sexuality...no more then heterosexuality is an entirely voluntary disposition.

(Anyone who blames homosexuality on the devil will not be dignified with a response.)

 

Wow. That was really interesting.
But do you think that some homosexuals just have twisted minds?
Like, maybe they were raised in a specific way which somehow really messed up their thinking?

 

It's pretty well a hormonal thing. As I said before, it's a deeper thing than just a 'choice' in the matter. It's that you are attracted or disgusted by it or even just don't care either way.

An example of even animals that are extremely sexual and do acts both heterosexual and homosexual are the Bonobos. These apes are a type of chimpanzee that can be pretty bipedal, and do 'sexual favors' for each other and are relatively peaceful because of it.

I do believe it is a hormonal thing rather than genetic, but I also know that as we age hormones change in people too, balances alter etc and it's not 'life controlling'. It is, however, very life influencing.

 

Some homosexuals can have twisted minds just as any person with any other sexual orientation can have twisted minds. Having a certain mindset or preference does not limit the range of things that can affect the well-being of the human mind.

If they were raised a certain way, it may have an effect....however another factor plays in at that point, 'hardiness' which is another way of saying the emotional resilience/Emotional Intelligence Quotient (EQ) of the individual. An example of this is that a 'normal' person who is brought up in a troubled home may suffer some depression or have a rather negative, perhaps antisocial dispostion. A person with a 'weak' EQ (or low level of hardiness) will most likely suffer long-term psychological problems. Lastly a person with a 'high' EQ (or high level of hardiness) will be able to essentially deal with the problem and turn it into a positive, at least on an emotional level. Now this is determined by genetic disposition as well as early developmental influences (such as parents).

That would be the semi-quantified answer to the question...in my personal opinion a neutrally disposed child would simply be more accepting of homosexuality. So, essentially...no, because unless the parents teach the child directly that homosexuality is the ONLY sexuality, the child would grow up with the same variables as any other child (they would certainly see other influences outside of the family as well).

If you have anymore questions though, or if I terribly misunderstood your question, please tell me. 8D

 

That's a good point in a way, Zandyne. Also, hormones are largely what affect emotional states of beings too. Hormones do a lot to a person that may or may not be a genetic result. Chemical imbalances are common in people whether straight or gay, and can lead to physical effects too such as migraines, anxiety attacks, PMS, male changes, teenage puberty stuff etc. They also are what kicks off what you 'like' and 'dislike' in strong ways. A person's strength of will is also a factor which is not a hormonal thing but a training thing on how to cope with feelings, reactions etc and how much control a person exerts over him/herself.

 

... o_o
You guys are too smart for me.
I could understand everything you guys said, but I don't know how to counter it with another witty post.

 

I think there is a gay gene or something out there. I don't think you can just decide 'Oh, I think I want to be gay.' whenever you feel like it. I do think it's something that happens when the kids in devlopment, but I don't know what.

Gay or not, you'll still roxas my soxas RoxasNoxas. ^^

 

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Thanks, I think! :D

 

I still maintain that as of now we can not be certain if such a thing exists. The human genome project just began at the peak of the last of the last century, so who is to say that such a thing could not exist simply because we haven't found it yet. Yes sexual orientation and gender have a great deal of roots in the way we react and interact with our environment, but to be honest nature is still building its defense against nurture in the whole debate.

 

It doesn't. Gays can't have kids. Therefore, it can't be passed down. Even if its recessive, the person with the "so called" gay gene would end that line of that gene because he or she wouldn't have children. It cant be transmitted. Homosexuality concerns excess amounts of estrogen and testosterone.