Hollow Bastion Before & After

Must. Get. Questions. Out. Before. I. Forget. (but seriously, I'm trying to get these out because they're going to bug me if I don't ask them, and then I'll start thinking about them at random times, and sometimes it's not the best thing)

So in BBS, Radiant Garden is all, well, you know, a normal town and everything. There's one castle and all that. But how does something cause it to make water appear as far as the eye can see in the first game, and how did the castle get changed so much? I don't think Ansem modeled like that. And then, A year later, in KHII Radiant garden just happens to be as dry as a desert basically, and it's all a town and everything. So here's a few questions:
1: Where does all that water come from?
2: Where does it go in KHII
3: How is it there's a giant door and a huge fall in the first game and in the second there's a normal space in front and even a entrance where you would have fallen in the first game?

 

1: This could possibly be a result of the Heartless/Maleficent/Ansem taking over the world.
2: Leon and co. mentioned that they were cleaning up the damage to the world leftover from maleficent/ansem rule, so getting rid of the water could've (and probably was) a part of the Restoration plan.
3: Restoration again, perhaps?

 

I'm not sure about Birth by Sleep, since I don't have it, but for Kingdom Hearts, the castle got wrecked and everything from all of the Heartless that attacked, which means that it probably caused several pipes to burst.

In Kingdom Hearts II, they're repairing the damages and rebuilding the town, so it only makes sense that it looks better.

Also, don't forget that all of the other worlds' appearances changed, too, from the first game.

 

yeah, but they kept the same general look. In the first game, it's like Waterworld. How do pipes breaking from one castle cause a whole world to become a swimming pool? And even if they wanted to restore the world, how does Leon and Co. get rid of all that water? Dig a hole and send it all underground? Wouldn't that need a big hole?

 

You have to remember Merlin lives there, so it wouldn't be difficult for hm to poof in, send the water away with magic, and then be on his way.

 

oh come on, something has to make a huge change like that in a world. Maybe Merlin just used a spell and dumped it all into his sack?....actually I wouldn't put it past them to try something like that. That would be interesting to see someone make a cutscene out of.
It's one of the few things I question, and of course I get the answer "don't add logic". But the games logic is sound, except for making a huge ocean disappear over a year.

 

Really man, I think you're just putting too much thought into a lot of aspects of the games that really don't need reasoning, they're just there and sometimes there's no definite reason for why that is, but to answer anyway,

-1: Every world has to have some kind of water source, so they redirected it to the castle and everywhere else you go.
-2: In Kingdom Hearts II, you're kinda exploring different areas than what you did in Birth By Sleep and definitely Kingdom Hearts.
-3: And since you're not exploring the same parts you did in Kingdom Hearts, these things are in different places from you. Not to mention the castle is way off of the ground. [if I remember correctly]

Still, not everything needs logical Kingdom Hearts reasoning.

 

1 - It's all that's left in KH1, think our world without continents, all left is water. See End of the World also, all left is moisty stuff with ice.
2 - The city and everything came back, the water's likely still there, you just can't see it.
3 - Different entrances. Seeing as both entrances lead to entirely different locations it's not that far fetched. You also seem to enter the castle from around the middle of it in KH1, while you enter from the very bottom in KH2.

 

1. It's probably from the Heartless attacking the world. The water might have been acquired by, as Plums said, pipes bursting. Because, y'know, the castle's a big place, and a main area of Radiant Garden.

2. Pipes are fixed by Leon and Co.
Water is teleported by Merlin.

3. You're in a totally different area, and Leon and Co have fixed stuff up.

You're really over thinking this stuff, and it's honestly getting slightly annoying. No offense.

 

1: Basing off of this image, the water came from underground. Which is reasonable, seeing how in KH1 you start well below the castle.
2: Going off of the above, all the water returned underground after the worlds were restored. But if the Cavern of Remembrance tells us anything, the Organization preserved the section of the falls where they kept the Garden of Assemblage isolated from the rest of the world. The hallway to the garden, Transport to Remembrance, also has the falls one on side.
3: Different area due to the world becoming whole once again and in the process of being restored.

 

It's like what everyone else said. Remember in BBS? There was A LOT of water in that place.

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one of the places that contained water, and believe me there is a lot more. XD (all of you know that though)
but yeah, in restoring that world and repairing it, it's not gonna look like it did before in one year, and all the water might not be there yet like it was before.

 

YUP. It's not worth the time to try and figure out why things changed so drastically. And in any case, it can be rationalized in relation to the game as being that the infestation of Heartless could have easily caused natural calamities such as floods; based on the existence of the Rising Falls in KH1, it's safe to assume that there WAS plenty of water to draw from, enough to flood a fair portion of the world. We don't question how entire worlds can be swallowed by the little buggers. So why bother trying to reason that they shouldn't be able to bring about flood waters?

That's just the way they did things between games for the sake of dramatic effect. It was dramatically effective as a penultimate world under its KH1 design. And likewise, in KH2, it's new design was dramatically effective for it's function as the nexus point for major plot events and return journeys (though it also shared that status with Twilight Town just a little bit).

 

I do believe that water is everywhere, it was put there as a fun gimmick in the first game, like a different way of exploring and hiding chests. I think it's also there to make Hollow Bastion seem nicer and not always so rough.

In the second game, I assume you don't go to the same place so you don't see the water. You see this bit:

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But that is not the same castle you go to in KH1:

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As you can see, whilst in the town you can't see into the pits where the water was in KH1 but it's still there.

If I am wrong, then you can see the leaking water in that picture so my alternative guess was it all leaked out the cracks between KH1 and KH2

 

Yeah, there is the fact that it's just "there"...

I still will stand with my original idea, though.

 

This seems reasonable enough, but remember that the castle they had explored in KH turned out to be Ansem's place of reasearch.

Either the water was all drained through the cracks in the wall like you said, or it's a plothole that's yet to be resolved.
You run through the areas where the water used to be, so maybe it had to do with the Hollow Bastion Restoration Committee...?

After all, the place is totally inhabited by KH2, so they must've gotten busy during CoM.

 

I see what you mean, I didn't think of the Crystal fissure and the battleground of the 1000 heartless. It could have been destroyed by the heartless and repaired during CoM.

It could be symbolic of change and how water, an essential mineral to humans has been taken away to emphasise the dangers happening in that world. But that's just a random analysis, Ven, Terra and Aqua were in a similar situation and they had water.

 

I'm pretty sure that people are over-analyzing this entire thing. Is it that hard to just say that it was all for the purpose of effect and atmosphere for the world?