non keyblade heartless kills

I'm sure most of you are familiar with this plot hole. The story line claims that only a key bearer can slay the heartless but we see others kill heartless as well, especially in KH2.

I was talking with Legion about this the other day and we found a plausible solution to this. Slaying the heartless takes strength of heart, not physical strength. The keyblade is used for channeling the strength of the user’s heart into an attack and also seems to have a heart and mind of it’s own.

Meanwhile anyone can feed some of their heart into an attack, just less efficiently. Sora couldn’t hurt heartless with a wooden sword at the beginning of the game because his heart was still weak back then. But then later on when you are forced to fight with it again you’ve developed a lot so then you can harm them. At the Hollow Bastion wooden sword run you probably noticed that your magic is just as efficient, this would be because magic is using energy from your heart into a physical move.


BTW this conversation took all of five minutes so some of this is my after thoughts.

 

Maybe people connected to Sora...but not sure. The org was in a way connected to Sora because they were connected to Roxas. and since Roxas is Sora then in a way, the org is connected to Sora. People connected to the keyblade weilder...oh wait, Sephiroth wasn't connected to Sora, oh wait yeah he did meet him in KH1, but not really Sora, just all the keyblade weilders, so that extends the power to kill heartless'? Well...thats not a theory, but more like a guess, not an educated one. And since Sephiroth is kinda old, and since he's like a secret boss in every major kingdom hearts game, then maybe Terra met him, and didn't he know what a keyblade was when you fought him in KH2?

 

OMG, imagine fighting Sephiroth in Birth By Sleep!

I think I pefer the 'strength of heart' argument brought up by mixt. Maleficent did confirm 'The boy's strength is not his own', meaning that the Keyblade is empowering him, since it chose him. Gawd, imagine the pwnage if it had picked the almighty Riku? *all fangirls in one mile radius nosebleed*

 

My suggestion

i think that heartless can only be killed when you are good u see riku was in the darkness but he wasnt evil and ansem was A heartless and the orginzation were nobodies so u get my point and idk if sepheroth can kill heartless but i think he could cuz he has a good side of him which is cloud and oh melefecent and pete had the powers to controll heartless and so did all the enemies in KH 1

 

No.. i think its really the people who are connected to Sora. The trust they have in Sora makes there hearts strong.

 

That doesn't work. Leon whacks some Heartless within a few minutes of meeting Sora, and in doing so strongly implies that he has been doing so for a long time. Plus, Sephiroth owned a whole lot of them and all he did was have a short conversation with Sora. Believe me, Sephiroth does not have 'trust' in Sora.

 

no i just think it was because Sora just didn't hit fast enough before he got the keyblade or something? because it seems like ANYONE can kill the heartless

 

yea thats weird but i dont know...... maybe its sora's friends or people who are destined to be friends with him!

 

the reason sora couldn't hurt the heartless on the islands is his heart wasn't strong enough,but after that i still think it wasn't strong enough and had the help of kiari's heart inside of him,and after becoming a heartless then becoming a person again was when his heart was strong enough

 

Interesting point with Kairi, the tw erts would compliment each other. Imagine fighting he heartless swarm with Kairi's heart (If the theory is true), they're a joke as is. If you were twice as strong there...

 

I always threw it to the point that people could get temporarily rid of the Heartless possibly but because they weren't killed by a Keyblade, they could manifest again. However, if Sora or another Keyblader was around then anyone who made Heartless kills with him in the area, they would be good enough to send the Heart to where it was supposed to go because the people would be linked to Sora. In the case of the Organization, it would be because they were linked with Roxas. The Keybladers had to be important in some symbolic way and I think that is it, though of course if the people also were using mundane weapons or no magic, then it would still be rather improbable.

I think the Keyblades themselves go off the feelings of the Keyblader who depends on his friends to get things done too. I hope this made any sense, but I think this is why it works out that even those without Keyblades can get rid of Heartless -if- a Keyblade master is in the area fighting too. I think that if a Keyblade master is not present, then the Heartless may be possibly driven back by magic or something but they aren't destroyed so that the Hearts release, and that would explain why the Organization required Sora and Roxas because it's obvious if they didn't need them, they could have gone out to destroy Heartless themselves and freed the Hearts for their plan.

 

and from what i remember siax telling sora that they were using him to make kingdom hearts,that meant that only the keyblade could send the hearts to kingdom hearts and anybody could kill a heartless but the heart wouldn't go to kingdom hearts and just be destroyed.cause only the keyblade can release the hearts that the heartless have consumed.

 

Yeah, that's what I think is the reason they needed the Keyblade wielder. Basically if people kill Heartless around him, the Hearts go to Kingdom Hearts. If they don't do it around the Keyblade wielder, then the Heartless probably just reform since their hearts won't be released to go anywhere.

 

I still think that it's heart power that kills Heartless, not the Keyblade.

As I mentioned before Leon totally smashed a Heartless through a window shortly after meeting Sora, and he's experienced in dealing with them. I'm sure he'd have noticed if he wasn't 'killing' them before he met Sora. Sephiroth owned six Heartless in one strike, and you could see Hearts rising from their deaths. Shortly before that, Cloud and Leon fought back-to-back, and they released Hearts as well. As far as I see it, heart power defines how much damage you can do to Heartless. When Sora got the Keyblade, he was able to harm the Heartless because it strengthened his heart. Maleficent herself said 'The boy's strength is not his own'. Plus, Riku was able to harm the big Heartless in Monstro using the Souleater, which by and large is a regular sword. Since Riku was supposed to be the Keyblade master, he has the strength to harm Heartless.

 

I can agree with that. It would only make sense that anybody can kill a heartless, but only keyblade weilders can send them to Kingdom Hearts.

 

That seems like a plausable theory that still give the keyblade a priority. I still hold to my theory that you need strength of heart or a keyblade to hurt heartless since wqe do see that sometimes a sword just doesn't cut it. (seriously no pun intendid) I guess you could make the argument that those are weak as hell swords you have at the begining of the game but they are shown to work better later on.

 

no kidding dude. i didn't even know you threaded this

what about the fact that in the beging of the game sora's attacks just pasted through the heartless? also, at hollow bastion in kh1, Beast only had his claws and he still pwned them. how does that even work?

 

Hmm,....
Is this what Roxas meant when he said, "Tell me, why did HE picked you?".
Or is it another guy?

 

i have no idea dude he might but i don't know if mixt ever asked me that question

fyi this isnt spam

 

It's not really a theory to me, but I think that HE is Terra. That is all.