Same-Sex Marriage Now Legal in All 50 States

Amaury · Jun 30, 2015

Laurence_Fox said: ↑

Like being raped for their sexual orientation.
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That makes no sense, honestly. (Don't get me wrong, rape is a serious issue, but keep reading.) I'm not saying it's only men on men or only women on women, but in the cases where it is, if they hate homosexuals/homosexuality so much, why would a straight man rape a gay man or a straight woman rape a lesbian woman?

I realize my ignorance is probably showing here, so apologies in advance.

Laurence_Fox · Jun 30, 2015

Karen said: ↑

That makes no sense, honestly. (Don't get me wrong, rape is a serious issue, but keep reading.) I'm not saying it's only men on men or only women on women, but in the cases where it is, if they hate homosexuals/homosexuality so much, why would a straight man rape a gay man or a straight woman rape a lesbian woman?

I realize my ignorance is probably showing here, so apologies in advance.
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Okay, this might be a little disturbing or creepy to read but I'm going to do the best I can.

Going to put this under a spoiler for potential squick and general unpleasantness.

trigger warnings for rape and stuff

There is, what exists in the world we live in, something called 'corrective rape'. Now I'm not saying that a straight man would or would not rape a gay man or a straight woman would rape a lesbian woman. But it does happen. Granted, very rarely.

Corrective rape is just like it sounds. Someone is attempting to use rape to 'fix' a person. For example, a straight man learns that a woman he likes is a lesbian. He determines that it's up to him to make her see reason by whatever means necessary.

It's also used as a means to 'fix' asexuals too. Because hey, sex is a part of human nature right? Everyone wants to have sex. </sarcasm>

But in the scenario you have given, I can imagine a few reasons. Remember that rape doesn't necessarily have to involve the rapist's genitals. They could use anything really. And i'm not going to go too much into detail but suffice to say that enough damage and the person could bleed to death. Turning the rape into murder.

oookay, my mind is in a really dark place right now.

Amaury · Sep 3, 2015

I'm not sure whatever happened with that Texas one, but the Kentucky clerk who defied the Supreme Court's ruling to issue marriage licenses to all couples has now being ordered to jail for failure to obey.

/justice

She's religious, I get it (as I'm all for equality, I have nothing against religious people), but she doesn't have to agree with it, she just has to issue marriage licenses to all couples by order of the law.

Source: KIMA TV

Published: September 3, 2015

KIMA TV said:

ASHLAND, Ky. (AP) - A defiant county clerk was sent to jail for contempt Thursday after insisting that her "conscience will not allow" her to follow a federal judge's orders to issue marriage licenses to gay couples.

"God's moral law conflicts with my job duties," Rowan County Clerk Kim Davis told U.S. District Judge David Bunning. "You can't be separated from something that's in your heart and in your soul."

The judge said she left him with no alternative but to jail her, since fines alone would not change her mind. A federal marshal escorted her, without handcuffs, out of the courtroom.

"Her good faith belief is simply not a viable defense," Bunning said, noting that allowing an individual's beliefs to supersede the court's authority would set a dangerous precedent.

"I myself have genuinely held religious beliefs," the judge said, but "I took an oath."

"Mrs. Davis took an oath," he added. "Oaths mean things."

Hundreds of people chanted and screamed, "Love won! Love won!" as word reached the dueling crowds outside.

The judge also told all five of the clerk's deputies, including her son, Nathan Davis, that they are free to issue licenses to all applicants while Davis is held in contempt, but would also face fines or jail if they refuse to comply. He told them to meet with lawyers and consider their fates before returning to his courtroom later Thursday to reveal their decisions.

Davis is being represented by the Liberty Counsel, an organization that advocates in court for religious freedoms. Her lawyer argued that the deputy clerks cannot issue licenses against Davis' authority, but the judge overruled this objection.

Before she was led away, Davis explained that the U.S. Supreme Court's ruling in June that legalized gay marriage nationwide conflicts with the vows she made when she became a born-again Christian.

"I promised to love Him with all my heart, mind and soul because I wanted to make heaven my home," Davis said during about 20 minutes of emotional testimony. She described how she became a Christian and said she is unable to believe anything else.

April Miller, who has been denied a marriage license four times since the high court's ruling, testified that she voted for Kim Davis last year and has no desire to change the clerk's personal beliefs. She simply wants to be treated equally in the community where she lives, she said. One of Davis' deputies told her to apply in a different county, but "that's kind of like saying we don't want gays or lesbians here. We don't think you are valuable," she said.

Outside, demonstrators shouted, sang and waved signs. A small plane flew overhead, displaying a "Stand Firm Kim" banner.

Davis, an Apostolic Christian whose critics mock her for being on her fourth marriage, stopped issuing licenses to all couples after the Supreme Court ruling, and the courts have consistently ruled against her since then. But many supporters have rallied around her, including Republican presidential candidate Mike Huckabee, who called her personally the day before.

"People are calling the office all the time asking to send money," she testified. "I myself have not solicited any money."

Davis said she hopes the Legislature will change Kentucky laws to find some way for her to keep her job while following her conscience. But unless the governor convenes a costly special session, they won't meet until next year. "Hopefully our legislature will get something taken care of," Davis told the judge.

Until then, the judge said, he has no alternative but to keep her behind bars as long as she refuses to follow the law.

"The legislative and executive branches do have the ability to make changes," Bunning said. "It's not this court's job to make changes. I don't write law."

Davis served as her mother's deputy in the clerk's office for 27 years before she was elected as a Democrat to succeed her mother in November. As an elected official, she can be removed only if the Legislature impeaches her, which is unlikely in a deeply conservative state.

Judge Bunning is the son of Jim Bunning, the Hall of Fame pitcher for the Detroit Tigers and Philadelphia Phillies who served two terms as Kentucky's junior U.S. Senator. Former Republican President George W. Bush nominated David Bunning for a lifetime position as a federal judge in 2001 when he was just 35 years old, halfway through his dad's first term in the Senate.

But Bunning has been anything but a sure thing for conservative causes, ruling in 2007 to overturn a partial-birth abortion ban, and in 2003 to allow a Gay-Straight Alliance to meet on their high school campus.
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Boy Wonder · Sep 4, 2015

Davis, an Apostolic Christian whose critics mock her for being on her fourth marriage,
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To clarify, she divorced her first husband and had twins five months later by husband #3. Married husband #2, divorced him, married husband #3, then divorced him and remarried husband #2.

All while wearing multi-fabric clothes and breaking an oath she took.

The sin is strong with this one.
Almost as strong as the hypocrisy.

mindstorm787 · Sep 6, 2015

The one thing that ticks me off is how hypocritical some people can be. To be frank, some people are angry about the fact of how one man and another man can elope legally when according to the angry mob that its against nature and not religious and all that bullshit. It drives me insane to think that they say such things when they are just as capable of doing a lot worse things (Not saying that same-sex marriage is bad. Everyone has interests and devotions you know.).

The way I see it, if what we do is unjust, unethical, or just not right with society, we wouldn't even be able to do half the **** that goes down, murder included.
A great example: Someone gets murdered in an alley. Alright. Some people grieve, some people say it's a shame. We get over it because yeah, it's a part of life, and the only thing we can do is catch the culprit. Simple, right?
Two lesbians decide to get married in public, and everyone loses their minds. You get the picture?

Why? Because certain people HATE change. They hate stuff that they don't understand. They can understand murder, because people understand that people live or die everyday. Same sex marriage however, is out of that general spectrum. Because certain people won't understand how love works.

Love doesn't differentiate. Love isn't picky.
If two people of the same gender aren't allowed, isn't ethical, then to me, that's just saying that love isn't ethical to begin with.

Chevalier · Oct 10, 2015

I knew this would happen soon and honestly that day I was too busy doing something I can't even remember (maybe it was work related).

I remember sitting in my car and just opening my phone, getting on the internet and seeing the news. I just cried for a bit.

Not because I'm thinking of marriage, mind you. But because it was nice seeing that LGBT people are not forsaken or forgotten by many. And that was reflected on that day when people stood up for gay rights.

Seeing all the happy couples finally together was pretty heartwarming.

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