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I disagree. You don't have to spend "days and nights" to learn those techniques. I didn't, for one. 15 minutes every now and then in Training Mode can suffice; as long as you keep at it. The amount of time spent to learn something is up to the individual. As long as you don't give up, you can still learn it. The fact of the matter is that if people want to learn something, they'll put the time into learning it, at the pace they want to. It may not come quickly for some, but if they want to learn it, they will persevere until they do.

And you are right. Winning games will have been based on the basic tactics of the game, but that's essentially the end of it. The basic tactics. Wavedashing/L-cancels, etc, were all discovered, developed, and applied because people wanted to take the game to the next level, and elevate it to where people who could excel could compete at a level they're capable of.

If wavedashing/L-cancels, etc are taken out, it would--as you said--go back to basics. I don't think it's accurate to say it would "even out the playing field" because in reality, all that is doing is giving players who make little to no effort to learn advanced stuff a chance to beat a dedicated (dedicated does not = endless days/nights practicing) pro. It's nothing more than handicapping those who are capable of more, the way I see it.

EDIT: lol, I should rephrase that last bit. Saying "chance to beat" makes me suggest what I don't want to. What it comes down to is the idea that the game 'could've' been more advanced for those who know and are used to it, but it ends up not being so.

I understand that regardless of what techniques are available, the better player will always win, just it's sad and worth a frown from those of us who have been applying these advanced techniques, because we yearn to continue competing at the level that we're used to. It's a personal sorrow to be held back and forced to play at a more (pardon my exaggeration) "primitive" level of gameplay.

 

You certainly have to practice. And those of us with busy lives can't usually.

Technically, it's easier to level the playing field by taking out a technique that the minority of Smash players know, than to leave it in and force the majority of Smash players to learn it.

It makes it so everyone has the same advantages and disadvantages, and therefore you win on how tactics, rather than just wavedashing everywhere and l-canceling, and hogging the edge lol.

There's no reason that simply because I'm not able to spend my busy time learning these techniques, I won't be able to play online without getting pummeled by spammers of these techniques.

This is just my take on it though XD

Oh and new Lucas screen:

 

Yay for automerge.

Anyway, yeah, I remember watching that video shortly after it was uploaded. PCChris isn't my favourite Falco player, but he's definitely one of the most adaptive and innovative smashers out there. PCChris has climbed the ranks despite being relatively new to the pro-level, and I'm sure that's attributed to his very awesome ability to adapt and learn new things.

In fact, after New York, Ken spent some time to improve his Falco game (in terms of how to take them out).

And don't worry about New York too much. Ken reclaimed his title back from PCChris in Dallas. :P

Actually, there is an incredible amount of smashers who know these advanced techniques--Smashboards is filled with them. The difference between those who know them and those who don't are usually the people who compete in tourneys, and those who simply play at home with friends. I think it's incorrect to say these techniques are known by a minority of smashers.

Probably missed my edit. I rephrased saying the better player will always win regardless of what techniques there are at one's disposal, however, this basically gimps the advanced players who are capable of more.

It's really not as time-demanding to learn these techniques as I feel you're making it out to be. :\ Anything hard takes time to learn, but I don't think that justifies removing it. Sure, you might get pummeled by people at the beginning who know these techniques really well, but let's put it this way:

You obviously spend *some* amount of time playing the game. So during those limited amount of times playing, why not try to learn/incorporate/master these techniques during those times that you play, rather than being happy at where you are and not trying to improve? Wavedashing might be a different story, but it's not so hard to try to "press L/R whenever you land from an aerial" every time you play from now on, in my opinion.

The amount of time spent only determines how quickly you learn a technique, but actually trying/making an effort to learn them is what will allow you to actually do it.

Once again, I don't think it's correct to say only a minority of people know these techniques; *many* of them have been commonplace since SSB (L-cancel, shorthop, waveshine, even). The wavedash has been coined since 2001, and thousands of pro-level participants attend MLG every year for SSBM.

 

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I still think icons could shrink to make more room.

Also, Muffin, Try explaining to me how this will incorporate with people who have fullscreen televisions? The area of the screen is not directly equated to the number of characters in the game. Icons will shrink, and screens will distort. Like in Melee.

I still don't think it's right that I'm almost required to snake if I want to play competitively with Mario Kart DS. That's just ******ed.

Yet the people on these boards, etc., are itty bitty compared to the total amount of smash players. I'm sure the majority (especially people who don't spend their life lurking the internet) don't know how or haven't even heard of it (I bought the game on launch day and been on the internet everyday, and the first time I heard about wavedashing and L-canceling was about 6 or 7 months ago.

Well, the majority of smashers don't participate in tournaments.

Exactly, it brings them down to the level where they will win if they're good, not if they mastered a button combination of wavedashing and smash attacks :p at least that's how I feel about it.

Thousands and thousands is still less than the millions and millions who bought Smash Bros. games.

 

SSBM has sold nearly 8 million copies, even if you assume that every member of SmashBoards and the old Nsider forums were avid Wavedash/L-Cancel users, the headcount combined hardly surpass 100,000

I would call that a minority

Dogen: The icons in Melee didn't shrink

 

Famitsu delivery :p

 

Lol.

 

Credit to Mic_128 at Smashboards for this (slight clarification on the delay for Brawl):

I lol'd a little toward the end.

 

Lmao.

See I don't understand how some people say Sonic delayed Brawl.

People don't delay a game for one character. Sonic is already completed and added in the game, people got to play as him, he's final and done. Don't you think if he were the cause of the delay, Nintendo would have needed more time to work on him?

I like the fact that there's stuff we don't know. Oh the joy of game modes!

 

I agree with you there, Dogenzaka. I'm sure they've had plans for him for ages now. I doubt they started working on him two nights ago.

If anything, Adventure Mode, extended Wi-Fi or maybe even...



...this?

 

XD Bomberman.

Dear lord. >_>

 

Megaman and/or Bomberman were my 2 hopefuls for a 3rd party character additions, but I doubt Bomberman will be in (See; my icons post), and I think Megaman is going to be the one

 

Not really, it's just they'll win using primitive means. Winning using wavedashes/L-cancels doesn't make you a bad player.

Like how movies can sell millions in the box office, and later turn out only a fraction of them ended up actually liking the movie. Sales charts doesn't accurately reflect who's actually actively playing the game. The people who outlet their enthusiasm for the game do, like you and I talking here on this forum who are talking about the franchise.

 

I really want to know the full roster.

I mean, imagine Master Chief in there. It's not going to happen. He might even suck. But think how insane that would be.

Sonic was a great surprise though... god, I want more 3rd-party characters.

 

Yeah, but that's like saying that a couple thousand people watched the movie with 3D glasses and enjoyed themselves, and therefore the sequel should be viewable only with 3D glasses to cater to those people who want an experience more fulfilling to them

 

Let's not over-do it, eh?

I mean, if we have more than we can handle, then it won't be too nintendo-ish anymore.

But yeah, I would like more as well. . . . . . only ones that work, however.

 

There's where your error is. No one is telling you not to learn wavedashes or L-cancels. No one is holding you back but yourself. It's not like Brawl will become "unplayable" if they left wavedashes in and L-cancels in.

In fact, since only a minority of people apparently know these moves, as opposed to the millions who don't, it's completely unjustified to say whenever you log on, you're going to get pummeled by these 'wavedashers'? I'd say based on your statistics, you'd more often fight an opponent who doesn't know how to use any than one who does.

Leave the pros/advanced players to their biddings, and leave the rest to theirs. What's so incredibly wrong about that?

 

Link + DownB = Bomberman.

End of discussion.

LOL

Well of course it doesn't make you a bad player.

But a decent player and a decent player that knows L-cancelling and wavedashing, who has the advantage? XD

Well I think buying a game (ESPECIALLY Smash) and not playing it at all is a waste of money.

The fact is, the minority of Smash owners (people who bought the game) cannot wavedash/L-Cancel

I can't wavedash/L-cancel, and I own and play the game actively lol. I mean I know how I just can't pull it off.

He pretty much said it ^

It's basically like if a video game was made with only HD capabilities. Sure the people with HD TVs would benefit and love the game, but the majority of people, who don't have HD TVs, would be at a disadvantage.

That might be a bad example but you get the picture XD

 

2-3 more is good for me. Yeah, of course, don't over-do it. But some more 3rd party characters would be a great addition. I can't really think of any more cool characters from Nintendo to include anyway. Don't hate me for that, I just don't play much Nintendo these days.

I mean Snake is just so great. So is Sonic, both are huge surprises and both are awesome.

Does anyone know what the 2nd most requested person was on the 3rd-party list?

 

Say the 3D glasses cost too much, but that select audience has the cash to spend on these specific 3D glasses. Those who don't want to spend that much on something like that are suddenly getting looked down on by those who can get the 3D glasses, and it's especially unfair when the movie is meant to be watched with friends but they made the experience so that the 3D glasses guys are getting the easier time with it