The Government is shutting down for a little big guys

We call it Medicare in Australia, so idk

 

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Oh, hey. Let's make sure people have health insurance by forcing them to have it and fining them if they don't.

Oh, hey. A temporary government shutdown right now.

 

Please tell me he's missing a point or something, cause if this is what's actually happening, then someone take me out of the oven, cause I am so fucking done.

 

It's a $95 fee if you don't get health insurance the first year, $300, I believe, if you don't get it the next year and then $600 if you don't get it again another year. It'll keep going up.

 

Could you source that please? From what I've read, while you do get fined, it's the same amount($95) each year which is almost nothing for somebody who makes the average income.

And for those of you who come from other countries that have public health insurance and think that it's morally wrong to force people to have it, then I don't understand why you guys would support public health if the government is forcing you to pay for it through your taxes.

EDIT: And also while Obamacare is forcing people to buy health insurance, it's also making it a lot more accessible for the average American who could've been refused health insurance for a medley of idiotic reasons in the past. By making more people buy it, it ends up making it more affordable. It's officially called the Affordable Health Care Act for a reason.

 

I'll see if I can. That's what my mom told me.

 

Which makes sense. The Affordable Car Act provides just that: affordable care for every American. So there's really no reason to not have health care. But some uninformed asswagons will still say "IF I DON'T WANT HEALTH CARE I DON'T HAVE TO HAVE IT BECAUSE THIS IS AMERICA," failing to consider that their willfull neglect actually costs this people and the government money.

Once again Americans fail to understand that "freedom" stops being extended if it hurts others. It's pure ignorance and entitlement. Don't want to pony up your share of taxes to ensure the livelihood of everyone in this nation? Move to another goddamn nation. In order to reap the benefits of American citizenship, you need to be apart of the system. Trying to change the system by fighting injustice is one thing, but preserving an antiquated status quo because you're a greedy, privileged ass is what's really going on here.

 

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Oh, I agree. If you can get insurance, get it.

My question is what about people who can't afford it, such as my aunt? She works two jobs for minimum wage and can barely afford the ranch bills. She has five dogs and about 20 horses.

 

iirc it was Fox News that had coined the phrase in response to the Affordable Health Care Act. But everyone started to call it by Obamacare, so if Obama didn't adopt the name, no one in the majority would know what he was talking about. If anything, I think he's probably the most sick of it, hah.

 

As libre mentions though, poverty would be a valid reason to not incur the fee. The aim of the act is to provide care for EVERYONE regardless of how poor they are. This is an effort to relieve the conditions poor Americans face... To punish them for being poor (which, at the end of the day, Republicans do) would be counter intuitive.

 

What I don't get about the US is how insurance companies don't accept people who have chronic illnesses
Why punish someone for being sick?
Obamacare might not be perfect, but it certainly is a step forward.

About the government shutting down, lol good job being the "most powerful country in the world" guys. Way to represent

 

Then I'm a bit confused. If punishing them would be wrong, why are there fees for not getting health insurance?

 

There are fees if you can afford it, and have no reason not to be paying it. It's basically a way to ensure that they can afford to keep the prices low
If I'm understanding the situation correctly
This is a Canadian looking, so pardons for any mistakes

 

The problem with this is the mentality of health insurance and its place in all this. Insurance shouldn't be a requirement for healthcare in a country, sure it promotes the concept of capitalism, but it also cause massive wage gaps, furthers inequality and creates a private industry in between the public and the government. Blegh, madness. Just raise taxes applicable to per capita costs, then you'll only have to deal with tax dodgers instead of insurance dodgers on top of that. It's maddening to see European economies using these methods and, thanks to America's reliance on insurance, makes them halt using better methods to deal with this.

No one should be scoffing at free healthcare. It means FREE healthcare, free is not a bad thing if you can get it, and private healthcare will have to seem as good or, more likely, better to warrant the price for private healthcare. And, of course, you now have a choice of what healthcare you want. Choice is not a problem.

So we have a choice between Obamacare or AHCA? I'm going with the latter because I don't want the former becoming a trend.

 

I'm not going to lie... This just comes off as the typical people caring way too much about politics.

The entire government shut down, and the world didn't end. Nothing happened. At all. I, like many other Americans, woke up, went to work, ate a lunch, got home, and did something to amuse myself until I went to sleep and was ready to repeat the cycle the next day.

Nothing changed, none of it effected me or my daily life. This, to me, makes it is meaningless.

 

While the government shutdown may indeed not have much effect for a good number of people, it does pose a problem in the ~700,000 people it has put on unpaid leave, the various services that people do require generally losing funding, and the ideological problem it poses on both a micrological and macrological scale. Micrological showing that the government is very unstable. Macrological in that it makes the US look powerless and like a bureaucratic red-tape laughingstock of the Western world. Hence:

That being said, these things apparently never last too long for any permanent damage ... apparently.