The Yu-Gi-Oh! Card Duel Arena 8.0!

That's how my deck is. It specializes in OTKs. But with cards like roar and whatnot, i can't kill them, and if i don't kill them my first turn, i'm screwed.

 

YOU IS WRONG. Absolutely WRONG. I Have a Hero Deck ( Fred Already saw in action ), Its WONDERFUL. i don't have bad draws,if i have,this only makes me play my cards on a different way. How can you say this about heroes?

i Truly LOL'D.
Dead Spells on Hand? Summoner Monk,Summon Stratos,Get a +1. Xyz rank 4.
Use Fusion to Summon a Beater with 3200. he goes to the grave. get a +2. Fusion Again.

2 monsters + fusion gate = a powerful fusion. How can this be Incosistent? Unless you're doing it wrong...

No,You Wrong Too. Your deck Can't be only for otks,This must be a winning condition. If You opp is open,go for game. Simple.

Play with Your brain.

 

That's what you say now. But if you kept on mercilessly getting creamed I guarantee you you'd get tired of it eventually.

When did I say that? The main deck that I think is unfair would have to be Wind-Ups not Inzektors. Those things are WAY more broken in my opinion. And I've beaten Inzektors before.

Never got a starting hand of something like 3 Polymerizations and 3 Super Polymerizations, or 3 Fusion Gates and 3 Terraformings before? You must have insanely good luck...

Mine telling me what I'm supposed to do in situations like that? Please indulge me. I've got to hear this.

 

Hm. Its not Lucky. This is Called "Consistency". And Yep,Already Draw into Dead cards. I Only Run 3 Fusions Gates,and Maybe 1 terraforming. this way,Its Impossible to happens this to me. and i main Monsters Like Tour Guide,Thunder King Rai-oh,and Reapers.

So,if i draw Dead Spells,i know my monsters can do the Job Alone. If You Run 6 Cards that can be a dead Draw,and monster that depends on this cards, your really asking for dead draws.

 

Umm... Jaden... Heros are still good... if you were watching tournament results, you'd know that bubbleman hero beatdown is doing very well in tourneys... and only runs 7-9 monsters... (But is still very consistent)

 

that's what happened to me basically every game I played before I met Fables, and I didn't stop playing. I spent a lot of time on my Ice Barrier deck, even though it's won less than 10% of its games, and I was playing against people who weren't using good decks most of the time. And yet ever since I made them I kept using them a lot until I cleared out my entire deck list. I still use decks that almost never win on occasion, even now that I have Fables, and a few decks that are pretty good and I like using.

I hereby sentence my memory to burning at the stake for treason >.>
Just pretend that I used Wind-ups there instead of Inzektors then. If it helps them win, why is it "unfair," not good?

 

No I've not been keeping up with meta anymore like I used to. I haven't played the real game in months now. But Hero Beat does indeed look awesome. If I ever start playing again I'll definitely run that.

Do you realize how cheap they are? They could take out my entire hand on only the second turn of the Duel. And then when I go next I'll only have 1 card in my hand next turn while the Wind-Ups User's got like 5 or 6...I was already sick of all these destruction cards and stall cards. But this is where I draw the line. I'm not about to keep playing if I'm not even gonna be able to use my freaking cards because of getting trolled and not even being allowed to have a full hand on my first turn of the Duel...If Konami doesn't do something to eliminate that ridiculous combo that Wind-ups have they are officially stupider than I ever imagined...They did right by stopping Troop Doop Scoop but this is even more broken...

Wind-Ups are good yes. What I'm saying is they're TOO good. They're so broken that it's not fair at all.

 

again, your sense of what is "fair" is off. As long as they operate within the rules created by the game, when they are doing is in fact "fair."

one thing though.. veiler is at three. If you veiler their first rat or zenmaighty they're left without much to work with, and you keep your hand.

 

*facedesk*

What I'm trying to say is it's cheap in my opinion. I mean seriously, They can get rid of your opponent's entire hand at absolutely no cost to you and make your opponent have only 1 card in their hand next turn. It's just...cheap...

EDIT: Plus there's also the fact that I might not have Veiler in my hand.

 

absolutely no cost? do you even know the loop?
it tributes all three of your rank 3 Xyz (not named Zenmaines.) to do that.
or if you apparenly have something else other than your swarm Xyz, you still have to tribute a monster on your side of the field as a cost.
so it's -1 for me, -1 for you.
though the evil thing about them is that the monsters come from the deck, so it isn't that much of a negative for the user. it could even be a positive since it thins out your deck too..

Edit: Oh, and you need Avarice, a limited card, in your first hand to send your opponent's entire hand to the grave. if not, it just sends 3.
and you technically do a -2 to -1 your opponent's hand, since it's your Xyz and your material that you're tributing.

 

it also uses all three copies of Rat, which is one of the most useful wind-up, and can easily be countered by Veiler, Crow, or Max "C." just chain C to Zenmaighty's effect and you get a plus one, making it even. If they use rat to get hunter, and use hunter, it's another plus one minus one, so still even, and if they overlay the two, it's another plus one. Veiler can stop the loop entirely by hitting zenmighty or rat, and Crow can stop it by removing hunter when they try to summon it with rat. Since Veiler, Crow, and C are all unlimited..

 

Legal =/= Fair

All I'm gonna say.

 

why not? What is unfair about playing the best you can play using the cards Konami made for you to use?

 

You Guys, This banlist will Change.​

 

There's also a chance of the opponent not getting their hunter out on the first turn.
They have a lower probability of getting out a hunter than you getting out a Veiler, Maxx "C", or Crow.
Since they're all unlimited, that means you can have almost 1/4 of your entire deck be able to counter the loop.
Leaving your opponent with, what? Foolish burial or drawing Hunter with a card that can discard/send hunter to the grave. that's -2 for the Wind-Up user.
and I know I've already said this, but you'd also need that and the limited Pot of Avarice to do a complete -5 or 6 cards from the opponent.
So the probability of getting hunter out of a Wind-Up deck on the first turn is.. less than 1/10.
1/10 vs 1/4 = 1/10 < 1/4.
So the probability of even conducting the loop would be less than the probability of getting something that can counter it.

 

Cause lol Konami's banlists are bananas.

 

And bananas are healthy.
But also shaped like - *shot*

 

that's a problem with the rules of the game, not with the fairness of the tactics used because of these rules.

your probability is awful. We're not just drawing one card, we get a full hand. I"ll edit in the probabilities when I've finished them.

Edit: assuming C, veiler, and Crow at three, you have a 74.1% chance of drawing at least one in your first hand of five.
If you're running three hunter and one burial, then chance of drawing one of them in your first hand of six is 49.3% the chance of drawing a rat run at three in your first six cards is 39.4%, and the chance of drawing a rat and a hunter/burial in your first hand of six is 8.4%, assuming my math is correct.

 

I mean that, the rules, in their current state, don't do anything to deter the more recent cheap and overpowered tactics (Wind-Ups, Inzektors, Hieratics, etc). Obviously, people could try not sticking to these proven tactics and try to play in more unique styles (like I and my friends do), but nope: people just want to win. It takes the fun out of the game for me when everyone's using the same decks.

 

Oh..right.
/wasn't doing full hand probability.